Matt Slick Live: June 11, 2024

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome to the show.

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Today's date for the podcasters, as always, is June 11th, 2024.

Hope you're all having a good day and a good time.

We have nobody waiting right now as far as calls go.

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do is send an email to info at karm .org, info at karm .org,

and put in the subject line radio comment, radio question.

You know, I was thinking today, whenever I could create an email that had like Matt Slick

Live email answers, whatever, dot com, or dot whatever, wouldn't that be easier for

people?

I don't know.

Just thinking.

So there you go.

And we have nobody waiting, like I said.

And I do have, let's see, I do have, boy, I'm reading all this

stuff.

Oh, interesting.

Oh, man, look at that.

I'm reading, I'm reading the emails.

I got this one in here.

I met Matt and the team back when he had street evangelism with Ray Comfort in Washington, D .C.

Fortunately, I've got a friend who's in the process of being brainwashed by a rather notable self -proclaimed prophet, a guy named

Cleck.

Oh, and a variant of Arnold Murray stuff.

Oh, boy, there's so much heresy, so little time.

So that's something that, we have a lot of email helpers, and that's really good, because these guys are doing some good work,

and they are answering emails.

We need to get a section on CARM where we actually take the email answers, questions and answers, and just put

them in there, and we're going to do that.

And let's see, looking for some of the, there we go, radio, oh, my goodness.

That's a humongous radio question.

It's like the longest one I've ever seen.

It's like three pages.

Jesus was not the last Adam at all.

He wasn't?

I'm just going to read these.

I'm not going for it.

The first Adam was of flesh, carnality, and of mind.

The second Adam became born again of God.

When he gained God's knowledge, it became like him to know the difference between carnality of flesh and spirituality.

That is not of the flesh, proven, Genesis 3 .22.

This guy does not know what he's doing.

It says in 1 Corinthians 15 .45, Jesus is the last Adam.

So when it says Jesus was not the last Adam, the Bible says he was the last Adam.

That's what it says.

So, I mean, sheesh.

And when you read Matthew 3 .16, you will see the very same thing happened in Jesus.

You can't relate to that in yourself, can you?

It's really interesting.

I love this kind of stuff.

It's like Whack -O -Mail to me.

I'm just jumping in on it because we've got nobody waiting.

And people call up, you know, or excuse me, the email, I'll go with that.

They'll email me and they think they've made some incredible point and say, you can't handle it, can you?

Who are you?

What are you talking about?

And what will happen a lot of times is I'll meet people who they've emailed me

and I'll meet them online, you know, and this happened before.

I'd be online someplace in the chat room.

Someone will come in.

Hey, I want to talk to Matt Slick.

And so, yeah, okay, what's your question?

And he says, why come you don't answer my email?

It's got to be because you're afraid.

And I'm like, first of all, who are you?

And what emails are you talking about?

Don't lie to me.

I'm like, dude, dude, man, I've got like 5 ,000 emails.

We have like five people who help going through emails.

Don't assume I see every email.

Oh, I don't believe you.

I don't believe you.

You're just afraid of me.

And I say, guess what?

Here's a delete key.

And so I meet people like that and it's really kind of entertaining.

They think they, you know, they beat me and stuff like that when I don't even know what they're talking about.

Anyway, your education is of man, he says, and it's very elementary and not from God

himself lacking in being born again as Jesus became.

Jesus was, goodness, look, folks, if anybody tells you Jesus was born again,

just take four steps backward and wait for the lightning bolt to hit him.

It's just dumb.

He was not born again.

Now there's some heretics within Protestantism are teaching them like Kenneth Copeland and

Joyce Meyer.

They're heretics.

I'm sorry.

They're outside the Christian camp.

I don't call them believers in Christ.

They teach false doctrines and all kinds of stuff.

And the people that they brainwash, it's just ridiculous.

But anyway, they make a lot of money, aren't they?

So he says, if you're looking at it, I'm going on with this email, I'm enjoying this.

If you're looking at it from what someone's besides what is written has told you,

you know, this is when the phrase, he does not have all his paws in the litter box comes into play.

You know, his bolt isn't tightened well enough.

You know, his wattage is flickering, you know, just all kinds, I love those things, you know.

His bearings aren't greased.

Let's see.

Jesus came upon, up, oh, he came up, oh, with the team, he must be born again or whatever.

When you are born, we are not born spiritually minded or born.

I will do as Matt says, I've got my name in here now and quote that what Jesus said without adding

to or taking away from what is written, all you are doing is editing,

editing in your own interpretations.

Editing is what you do in, um, you know, we have a recording or a writing and then you, you, you do

something good.

Uh, let's see.

So did Matt.

So did Matt.

When these questions were presented to him or presented to me, okay.

And when, and it's hard to read and you do that from lack of God in

himself, interpreting his will in you, obedience to him is key.

Uh, you never have communicated with God directly one -on -one in communication.

Have you?

Wow.

Oh man.

This is, it just goes on and on.

It's kind of rambling.

I like that.

And Matt, when he, I'm skipping through and Matt, when he was presented with what Jesus

said, he got all upset and was like you and tried to explain away from his own understanding

that what Jesus actually said.

Okay.

So, uh, yeah, this guy's name is Gary.

Gary does not have all his paws in the litter box.

Ooh.

Man, all that's a long email to, I won't get into all that stuff.

All right.

Let's get to Alberto.

Alberto.

Welcome buddy.

You're on the air.

Alberto.

Yes.

Good afternoon.

Evening.

Matt Slick.

Good evening.

Yes.

My question is, if a pastor said that God told him that 70 of the church

members will stay behind because they're not living right now, if I revert, now,

if I revert to the.

Past, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm cracking up.

A pastor said that God told him that it was 70%, right?

That's the number.

Uh huh.

Well, I heard another pastor before him in that same church.

God told him 90 % the previous pastors, the first pastor when I first went there.

Well, I guess things are getting better.

You went from 90 to 70, 90 % of the people who live now, it's down to 70, it's a few more weeks, maybe down to 50.

You know?

Well, in a way.

Uh huh.

Yeah.

I understand.

Uh huh.

What about if I say me as a church member would say, well, God revealed to me that 70 of the

pastors across America will stay behind if Jesus will come because they're not living right.

Well, would they get special treatment or a slap in the wrist on that?

Who knows?

But I always like to respond with stuff like, well, 70 of the time, 80 of the pastors

are 90 wrong and just see what they do with that.

You know what?

But I like it that God tells them the percentage.

I think that's really great.

And what gets me is when people come up to the pulpit, God told me something here.

It is a percentage.

I'm going to let you know what he said, because if God told me something and I knew it was God, I'd be like

crawling up to the pulpit.

Okay, folks, God's audible voice came to me and I'm telling you, oh

man, I can't even been able to eat or sleep for three days.

This is what he said.

You know, it wouldn't be, hey, guess what?

Guess what?

God told me something.

I'm going to tell everybody.

Oh, oh, that's interesting.

Yeah.

It's just it's just charlatan stupidity.

That's all it is.

Okay.

Okay.

What about if I challenge the pastor in front of the congregation and the congregation says he's their

pastor, they'll they'll protect him, what he's saying, and they'll attack me

for it is false revelation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because people become loyal to pastors more than Jesus.

A lot of times I don't know what your situation is, if you're representing everything accurately.

I'm just going off what you said, but it's not that uncommon that people become loyal to a pastor and

there's a legalistic, emotionally damaging church that I've known about up here in

Idaho, where the people are so loyal to the pastor that they clean his house, wash his car.

You know, this is how it used to be in various things because he wants them to,

which it's not.

It's not what you do as a pastor.

Okay.

Yeah.

Let me ask you a question.

The same.

The last I had as a day one, we said that he's supposed to be God revealed my sin.

But I already knew they would gossip it months ago to a to a coworker, one of the church ladies.

I know who knows the guy.

And the deacon lied to my face.

He said that, no, nobody knows when he told it two weeks before the pastor said it and before his son

said it to confirm the pastor, two weeks, two weeks before both of them.

And he lied to my face.

And they said, nobody knows about us about lunch of baloney.

I caught him on a lie.

So how can you believe what the pastor say and his son say?

I mean, yeah, you know, you know, I mean, there are a lot of, there's a lot of

wackos out there and a lot of people who claim to hear from God and the inner arrogance.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

That's a problem.

You can't challenge them.

Yeah.

Yeah, you can.

But I understand what you mean.

You can challenge and what will happen is that's the unpredictable thing.

But I'm with you, buddy.

I got it.

Yeah.

All right.

God bless you.

Keep up the great work, Matt.

Slick.

Okay, man.

Thanks a lot.

All right.

God bless.

All right.

All right.

Now, hey, we have four open lines or three open lines if you want to give me a call.

Eight, seven, seven, two, zero, seven, two, two, seven, six.

Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania.

Welcome.

You're on the air.

Hey, Matt.

So my, my question today is out of Revelation 13,

seven.

Some people say that the saints that are mentioned in this passage are, are

Christians and others say that the saints in this passage are not Christians, but

referring to the one hundred forty four thousand Jews who were persecuted.

So what is your interpretation on this?

Oh, I don't know.

I'd have to look at that in the context to see.

But the the word saints, there's hugging us.

And it means basically in reference to those who are truly believers.

So, you know, without having looked at it, I can't tell you exactly who it is,

but I would think that it means the saints, not just the hundred forty four thousand.

And the reason I say that is because it goes on just a few verses later to talk about.

Oh, is it there?

No, it's not there.

What's wrong?

It's a different place.

So no, I don't know what it is.

I'm not sure what it is from what your question is.

I have to look at it to make sure.

OK.

Yeah.

But I know I know some some people, they, you

know, especially the preachers, they'll say that they can't be Christians

because because they get raptured.

So they say that maybe it's the if the if the people after rapture, they have to believe in Jesus

afterwards and they get persecuted for their conversion to Christ.

Yeah, it's just one view.

And the thing that the preachers will say about revelation is that because the church isn't mentioned

after a certain chapter and it is mentioned, they just don't want to admit that it is.

But it is.

And it's the twenty four elders that's generally considered to be the church, but representative of that.

And also just because something's not mentioned later on doesn't mean it's not still extant and true.

For example, in First John, justification by faith isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it's not true or

it's not still in place.

But hold on.

We've got a break.

OK, buddy.

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Let's get back on with Elijah.

Hey, buddy, are you still there?

Yeah, I'm still here.

So, OK, so we were back at Revelation 13.

So I'm not sure.

Not sure what it is.

But I think it's not just the 144 ,000, that's my opinion right now, but who knows?

OK.

OK.

My other question is out of 1 Peter 4,

18, some translations say

the righteous will scarcely be saved.

Others say it is hard for the righteous to be saved.

So, so, so what is Peter trying to say here?

Well, the Greek, let's see, and if it is with difficulty that the righteous will be saved, the word there is mollus.

It just means labor pains with difficulty, hardly, scarcely, with

difficulty, painfully or in toil.

So that's all.

That's what it means.

So they're just trying to pick the right one.

And so and if difficulty,

the righteous is saved.

So it literally is saying in the Greek is Chi, which is and a

it's an E .I. word that we pronounce it a and if a mollus,

that's just difficulty.

So literally it's and if difficulty, the righteous saved.

So that's what's going on in the Greek.

So it's we can have a a bit of range on exactly how we want to say it.

If it's hard for the righteous to be saved, if it's with difficulty, if it isn't easy that the righteous are saved,

things like that, and it would all be legitimate.

OK.

Yeah.

And so I guess some people would say

this seems to say that say that you have to you have to have good

works in order to be saved because I can already see somebody trying to try to bring that argument up this

verse.

Well, they say they do good works to be saved and they're not Christians.

They're false converts.

OK, we do good works because we're saved.

Our our works don't contribute to salvation, which is why the Roman Catholic Church, East Orthodox Church, Mormon Church,

whether Mormons or even Christian at all.

But that's why they're all false churches.

Yeah.

So.

OK, well, you know, OK, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And one more question.

Sure.

Joshua five mentions the the angel of the Lord and and

he's referred to as the commander of the Lord.

And and Michael Michael, the archangel is also is also called.

I mean, the term archangel or chief prince also means a commander of

the Lord's Army.

So both of them are called commander of the Lord's Army.

So I can see some some people trying to use this

to say that Michael and Jesus are one and the same because of this.

So like so like so like what would be your response since since the Bible calls both of them the commander of the Lord's Army?

You had to ask a lot more questions just because the same word is used of different people situations doesn't mean it's identical.

That's the first thing, just because both of us commander.

There's a phrase Morningstar used of God was Christ in the

Old Testament, also the devil.

So when you have a phrase like that or a term that you similarly between

individuals, it's not you don't transfer the meaning over there.

So that's a natural mistake on their part to assert that if they want to do a phrase and

in the context of phrase is more limiting in that it seems we descriptive a certain something

with a word that goes along with it, then the argument is strengthened.

But when they say it's Jesus, Jesus did not exist in the Old Testament, and I get more technical than most people do.

Jesus started to exist 2000 years ago.

And by definition, Jesus is the union of the second person of the Trinity who's always

existed and the human nature that union where one person has two natures is who

Jesus is.

That began 2000 years ago, which is why we talk in the Old Testament about this stuff.

I say the pre -incarnate Christ, that's how I refer to him so that people understand the difference.

So if they want to say that Jesus is the pre -incarnate Christ, whose deity that

was not an angel and they want to relate that it's not heretical.

I would then examine whether or not they're actually Jesus warrants it.

If however, someone were to say that the angel Michael, et cetera, the created being angel Michael

is the pre -incarnate Christ, then that's a damnable heresy and needs to be addressed because it

can't can't happen that way.

So we just have to examine each thing in its context and what they're saying, OK?

Yeah.

Um, um, oh, yeah, so

so so so since you brought up the natures of Christ, some

some people like to say, say that Jesus had had two spirits in

him because of a passage in the New Testament.

I can't remember what it was, but they like to say that Jesus had a human spirit like we do.

And he also had had the divine spirit as well.

So we're going to be careful.

We talk like that because the word spirit can be interpreted in different ways.

They would have to define the term very precisely.

This is why we say he's one person with two natures.

Now if it is say that each nature has a spirit, what do they mean by a spirit?

Because if Jesus, the pre -incarnate one, the pre -incarnate Christ has a spirit,

do they mean the spirit is its own being?

If that's the case, then that's flat out heresy.

So it just depends on what they mean by the words.

So this is a mistake a lot of people make when they talk to people who raise issues like this.

People who use different words to describe Jesus, God incarnation.

And then you have to start asking, what do you mean by these terms?

Because it's very, very important to get those definitions down.

And if we're not clear, then they shouldn't be using anyway like that, the way the theologians don't use

them.

And they don't use them for a reason.

So we're going to be careful when newbies come along and say, Jesus has two spirits.

What do you mean by that?

You want to say he has two natures.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because I think when they say that, I think they literally mean like the pre -incarnate Christ

was a spirit.

And then when he was incarnated, the human baby also had a human spirit as

well, just like we do.

So they think it was two spirits in one body.

Now they're using the word spirit in slightly different senses, because when it says that he was spirit, they're talking about his

form in an eternal sense.

We talk about spirit with human as a beginning.

And in what sense you talk about spirit, is it spirit as a relation to the soul or what?

So even then, they've got to be careful in how they use the terms.

They've got to be very, very precise.

Because trust me, this is very important when you talk about the person of the work of Christ.

You have to be very, very precise in what it is you're saying.

This is why in this topic, theological understanding is a necessity.

All right?

Okay, buddy.

All right.

Thank you.

All right, buddy.

God bless.

Okay.

All right.

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Hey, Steve.

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You there, buddy?

I'm here.

All right, man.

Okay.

So what's your question?

Yeah.

I hear you.

What's your question?

My question.

Hello.

I've got a couple of questions.

I was wondering, is smoking pot and smoking cigarettes sin?

And if it is, I've been hearing on the radio station here lately that if you have a

sin for a long time, that it's possible that you're

not even saved.

And I'm kind of scared.

Everybody has sinned for a long time.

Okay?

And we all have sins that we deal with.

And so if you're a Christian and there's things you're struggling with, it doesn't mean you're not saved.

It means you're struggling with sins.

And sometimes we have issues that we just can't beat very easily.

It takes a lot of work.

So when someone comes along and just says, you know, hey, maybe you're not saved, it depends on the topic.

If you're out, you know, committing adultery constantly and stuff,

you know, then that's a very serious sin.

And if there's no conviction, if you are a Christian, God will either kill you or he will

deal with you or you never were saved.

So there's some truth to it, but we've got to be careful at the same time.

Now, let's talk about smoking cigarettes.

Well, the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 6 .16 that our bodies are temples of the living God.

All right, now.

So this is what generally is brought up about the issue of smoking cigarettes.

We'll get to pot here in a second.

So, should you smoke cigarettes?

Well, I don't think anybody should smoke cigarettes.

That's my opinion.

I don't think anybody should do that kind of a thing.

And it's bad.

Because it's bad for your lungs.

But I don't think it's sinful.

You know, it's not sinful.

I don't see why it's sinful.

Because if they're going to say, look, you can't smoke a cigarette because it's hurting you, don't eat sugar.

Sugar's bad for you.

It really is.

Don't eat that.

You know?

And, you know, we could, I mean, maybe there's a study done.

Which is worse for your health, sugar or cigarette smoking?

I'm not going to say I know which one it is or isn't.

But these are serious issues.

So sometimes what people want to do is they want to point out the visible things, not the invisible

things.

When you have a chocolate shake and a couple candy bars at home while you're watching movies and whatever,

well, is that worse for your body?

It may very well be.

But I don't know.

I'm not a doctor.

I'm just saying we've got to be careful.

So I've had friends who smoke cigarettes.

I never talk to them about it.

I don't care.

That's their business between them and God.

And if I want to say to them, hey, you know, you shouldn't be smoking cigarettes, all they got to do is say, you know, I see how you are with the candy bars and the M

&Ms.

Yeah, you got me.

Because it's true.

You know, I'm trying to get off all that stuff.

I'm having less and less and less sugar.

It's bad for you.

So, in fact, I haven't had any for a few days now.

So the thing is, that's a debatable thing.

Now let's get to pot.

All right.

Can I say that smoking marijuana automatically is sin?

And the answer is no.

We can have different situations.

I do know of certain medical conditions where they actually do recommend that

you smoke it because it's helpful for certain kinds of things.

If it's under doctor's supervision, I don't have a problem with it.

If it's just for casual use,

you know, I have more of a problem with that.

Now, I've never in my life ever smoked pot.

Never have.

And I rarely even have any alcohol ever.

Rarely.

And I'll smoke a cigar about once every six months.

So that's how bad I am and all that stuff.

But if someone smokes pot, I don't judge them.

I think the Holy Spirit needs to work with them.

I have heard of people who just do it regularly and they justify it and it's got a bit of control over them.

And that's a sin.

So if you're doing something and it has control over you, then it definitely is sinful.

So if people want to do marijuana as a recreational

thing, then the question I'm going to ask is, are they also doing this with alcohol?

Because people can drink alcohol and it's not considered a sin.

Because even in Proverbs 31 .6, give strong drink to the man who's perishing and wine to the one who's in distress.

So it's described in the Bible.

But it's prescribed as a kind of a medicine.

Well, can that work with pot?

Yes, it can.

So you see, it's a tough one.

And then there's stuff that has the helpful part of

marijuana without the, I think it's called TCP, without the brain -altering stuff.

And so what if you take that?

I don't have a problem with that.

I mean, if it's all the medical stuff, yeah.

So this is not easy.

I know that I may have really surprised a lot of people.

I am against any drug usage.

I hardly ever drink.

I don't think people should do this kind of stuff.

But I can't find anything in Scripture that says, oh, you can't do it.

And I had to base it on Scripture.

So there you go.

I used to drink and God took it away.

And so now it's just a very occasional glass of wine or something.

But I was just wondering, I've been smoking for over 50 years.

And I have always considered myself to be a Christian.

And, you know, I asked the Lord to be my Lord and,

you know, received him as Lord.

And, I mean, there have been times where I thought, well,

maybe I didn't get saved.

Maybe I didn't know quite what I was doing or didn't have enough information.

So I'll get saved now.

So I'm wondering what to do.

I've been trying to leave it alone.

But it is something I just kind of reach for, you know.

Yeah, cigarettes, because you're addicted.

And nicotine is highly addictive.

Now, I wouldn't call you an unbeliever.

I wouldn't say you're going to hell.

I wouldn't say anything like that.

I'd say somebody's got a little bit of control over you.

You need to see if you can beat it.

It's not good for your health.

But that's between you and God.

So that's it, okay?

Okay, thank you.

I knew a seminary professor who smoked, all right?

He was in seminary.

And we went out and did some stuff together.

And he was smoking.

And I was shocked.

I was like, whatever, you know.

So, okay.

And I know a lot of people are teetotalers who are Christians who say that Jesus never made wine.

Yes, he did.

It was alcoholic wine.

And this idea that it was just grape juice is ridiculous.

But we don't want to have things master us.

That's the issue.

That's the issue.

Well, what would you call control?

What would be considered control over you?

Well, let's use cigarettes as an example.

Let's say you try and stop and you can't.

And you're really trying and you can't do it.

And you want to stop and you can't, you can't.

It's just too hard on you.

Then it has control over you.

And then I would say it's a sinful issue.

It doesn't mean you're not saved.

It just means you've got to work on something.

And we all have these things.

I've got stuff in my mind and heart that I've been working on since the day

I got saved.

And there's still not, let's just say, there hasn't been 100 % victory in a lot of areas.

There's been 95%, maybe 98%, maybe 87%, you know, whatever, in some areas.

Yeah.

But we want to be giving this to God, working towards being more like Him,

and just being the best we can with Him.

So, you know, if you can give up cigarettes, praise God.

And you can serve Him longer.

If you can't, that's between you and God.

And I would not say you're not a Christian.

All right?

Your Christianity is not dependent on your smoking.

It's dependent upon your faith in Christ.

And then you want to work that faith into other areas of your life.

Okay?

Yeah, that's true.

I know a lot of Christians that smoke pot and smoke cigarettes.

So I was wondering if we were all, like, on the wrong road.

Well, there are issues here.

Because, you know, if a bunch of guys and girls, you know, after church go smoke pot, and they just get together

and do that, that's not a good witness.

And that might be an issue where they need counseling and help.

It's like a bunch of people, let's get together and go drink.

What?

Why would you want to do that?

And so there's issues here, and it becomes a gray area.

I would say, what's the reason for it?

And also, if it's illegal, don't do it.

Don't do it.

And so it's a hard one to work through all the time in every situation.

But there are people with chemo who I understand that certain aspects of

marijuana are very helpful for them.

And if that's what would help them, then that's what helps them.

Okay?

So it's not that easy to just say yes or no all the time.

Okay?

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Have a good one.

God bless.

God bless.

Okay.

You too.

Now I just want to make sure, I don't want anybody taking me out of context and saying, Matt Slick approves of smoking and drinking

and marijuana and drug use.

That's not what I am saying.

Please don't do that.

I get people do that all the time.

You know, take me out of context and exaggerate what I say.

I think it's best if you don't do any of those things.

But I will say that Jesus made wine, and it was used for medicinal

kind of purposes in Proverbs 31, verse 6.

So I think that these kind of things, if they have medical purpose and reasons, I think that that's

okay.

So there you go.

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It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

Here's Matt Slick.

Everybody, welcome back to the show.

Let's get on with Luke from Washington.

Luke, welcome.

You're on the air, buddy.

Luke, how are you?

Doing all right.

What do you got, man?

What's up, buddy?

Yes, Christian's consent.

Yep.

Okay.

All right.

I'm sorry, what?

So, yes, Christians sin.

They still do.

Yeah.

And this sinless perfectionism stuff is just a load of malarkey.

But, um...

Yeah, you still there?

Okay.

Okay.

So did I answer your question?

Yes, you can still sin.

Yep.

Even as a Christian.

I'm not saying it's okay.

I'm just saying it's what we do.

We're not perfect.

That's what I'm saying.

Okay.

That's what it's talking about.

Practices, right?

Who abides in it and lives in it.

Yes.

So a born -again person can sin, but we can confess.

That means sin is not a practice of a born -again person.

This is not that easy to discuss.

Because everybody sins, but what he's talking about here, at least what I believe it is, is

outright sinfulness.

You're going in, you're seeking it, you're doing bad things.

It's not to say that we're perfect in our hearts.

There's different levels of understanding here.

So we still sin as Christians.

We struggle against our sin.

That's what it is.

So I'm not saying it's okay to sin.

I'm just saying it's just the way it is with us.

Okay?

Can I blame God or can I blame me?

You blame yourself for what you say and do.

Don't blame God.

All right?

Yes, Christians confess what they've done,

and they move towards Christ, and hopefully they have more and more victory over more and more sins.

Because we can't do 100 sin corrections all at once.

We're not capable.

We have to do one thing at a time, two things at a time kind of a thing.

God works on us.

We get this taken care of.

We become more and more like Christ.

And if people say that, no, they don't sin anymore, that means they've already arrived at being just like Jesus, never sinning.

And that's foolishness.

So it's called the sanctification process.

We have to undergo it, and it's a lifelong process.

We're all working on it.

Okay?

No.

No, don't, no.

Those are tenses taken out of context used by false religious people when they say

that salvation is a process.

I'm saved.

I'm being saved.

I will be saved.

And it's false.

So it's just different meanings in different contexts.

If you're saved, you're saved.

That's how it is.

You don't get more saved.

You're saved by what God has done in faith and trust that he's granted to you that's in Christ.

You're justified upon your belief.

That's it.

Done.

Okay?

It depends.

In what kind of sin?

Not all sins are equal.

What if someone is thinking things about a neighbor he shouldn't be thinking?

He knows that.

You know, he's angry about something.

He's saying, oh, Lord, please help me with my anger towards this neighbor.

And he's struggling with it.

That's different.

And that's a sin, unrighteous anger.

That would be different than going out robbing banks and killing people.

And so when people talk about this issue, they're not differentiating between the different kinds of sin and levels of sin.

All sin is bad.

But some are that we can deal with.

Even as Christians, we can live with them.

Not that we want to, but that we're struggling through them.

And that means we're saved.

But the stuff that's really bad, which you can go to 1 Corinthians 6, 9, and 10, and you can read through those, you know,

sorcery and adulteries and murders and things like that.

These are the things.

You do these things, you don't have God abiding in you.

So the scriptures differentiate.

Okay?

If I lie today, 10 times.

Okay, well, we got other callers, so I'm going to get going.

So, okay.

So, all right.

Could you say one more?

I got callers waiting.

We'll talk about some other stuff.

Okay, buddy?

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

All right.

Next longest waiting is Rebecca from Utah.

Rebecca, welcome.

You're on the air.

Hello, Matt.

How are you doing today?

I'm doing okay.

Hanging in there.

I know.

Me too.

Anyway, I wanted to tell you a little bit about my marijuana.

Okay?

Now, I was born in 1948, so I've seen a lot.

The Vietnam War and all that, you know.

I've seen a lot.

Anyway, I was in a terrific car accident

in 1982, where I was DOA on arrival.

They had a hard time keeping me alive.

And people say, well, what did you see when you died?

You know, everybody's curious.

I didn't see anything.

But when I did recover from my coma, I felt peaceful.

I had a smile on my face.

I was peaceful.

I can't describe it.

It was just wonderful.

So, perhaps I was with Jesus.

I don't know.

But anyway, consequently, from that car accident, I had an

MRI on my brain and et cetera, et cetera.

So, I need marijuana.

My doctor immediately sent me out to the

dispensary here.

So, for me, I have to have it for my pain, my anxiety, et cetera, et cetera.

So, that's my input on marijuana.

Okay?

So, for me, it's for medicinal purposes.

Okay?

So, that's my input on that.

Okay?

Okay, Matt.

I appreciate that.

Well, you have a nice day, honey.

You too.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

All right.

All right.

Now, let's get to Clay.

Hey, Clay, welcome.

You're on the air.

Brother Matt, top of the thankful Tuesday to you, brother Matt.

It's been a while since you and I have been able to have a heartfelt conversation on the phone.

I find it interesting that you're having a conversation with an individual, I think a couple of

callers ago, about drinking and smoking.

Well, I used to smoke.

I did it two packs a day every day for four years when I was in the military.

I slowed down because I got out of the military and I started working for UPS.

So, I was drinking.

I don't hardly drink anymore.

I will have an occasional sip of a beer.

But from what I understand and what is shared biblically, I understand what

that lady shared before.

But when you go through things, you know, in the Bible, the first

chapter of the book of James says, Okay,

each of us goes through something because of what we have done before.

We say that we are followers of Jesus, you know, the drinking and the smoking thing.

The Bible says that we are supposed to take care of our bodies because those are living temples for

him.

When we go against that, we will receive, I mean,

I received a little bit of, you know, not feeling well.

I mean, when I smoked, I know I would get, I won't say deathly ill, but it's a major

difference when you do something.

And in a way, when you go against the commandments and the principles that

God has laid down in the foundation of the Bible, I mean, what

is that old saying?

You're going to reap what you sow.

If I'm not mistaken, we say that we are followers of Jesus.

Read, people will read Isaiah chapter 53.

From the night that Jesus was captured till the day that he was put on the cross.

Look at what they went through.

Okay, we say that we are followers of Jesus who was, you know, who died on the cross.

Do you have a question?

Do you have a question or anything?

No, I don't.

I was just going to share something with you.

I understand what people are saying, but I mean, when we go against the commandments and the principles,

it's not going to be a positive turnout.

I feel that I have done much better than what I used to do, you know, 30, 40, 50 years

ago because of where I was.

I mean, I haven't known Jesus that long, about five, six, seven years.

But I know the difference between what is correct and what is incorrect.

What is what I'm accepting and what I'm rejecting.

I accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior.

I'm not going to reject him because if I do, then I'm going against him.

So I would say to all those people out there listening, just please be mindful.

You say that you're a follower.

Know that you are doing the correct thing.

And I just want to give you thanks.

I'll give the thanks to the Lord for you, Brother Matt.

I really do, because you are a great man of Jesus.

And I've listened to you, you know, over the years.

And I really am thankful for that.

Well, I think your praise is a little overdone because I'm just a guy just answering questions to the best I can.

But as far as this stuff goes, I know that a lot of people have had traumas.

And we had someone who worked with Karm.

She was a clinical psych nurse, and she's since been gone to be with the Lord.

And she was telling me how incredibly helpful certain kinds of medications were for varying

people with varying problems and traumas.

And so there's a wide variety of stuff.

And we talked about a lot of things.

So, long story short, if it's medically permitted and it's for

help, there's no problem with it.

Even if it's marijuana, that's fine.

Okay?

Yes, sir.

I completely understand that.

But when you choose to abuse a situation, and you're going against the commandments

and the principles for the biblical foundation that has been laid out, then, I mean, you're doing

it in the wrong reasons.

I mean, I understand the medical part.

But are people out there expanding it for more than what

is needed?

When they start using something else to make them feel good as something they

go to to make them feel good, that's a problem.

On a regular basis.

That's a problem.

I wholeheartedly agree.

I do.

I really do.

Well, again, I just want to come in, give thanks to the Lord for you, brother, and just keep doing what you're doing.

And we will talk again soon, brother.

God bless you, man.

Have a great day.

You too, man.

Thanks.

Yes, sir.

Okay, buddy.

God bless.

All right.

Let's see.

We've got about 20 seconds left in the show.

Controversial topics and tried to handle them biblically.

And I do know that a lot of people have a lot of issues and they need a lot of help.

And praise God that we live in a time where varying forms of help are available.

Don't feel bad if you need to depend on things to help you get through stuff.

All right.

Doctors, you know, under doctor supervision and stuff, not a problem.

Just go do what you got to do.

That's what I would say.

And serve Jesus best you can.

All right.

There's the music.

I'm out of here.

May the Lord bless you.

And by His grace, we'll be back on air tomorrow.

We'll talk to you then.

Have a good evening, everyone.

God bless.