February 15, 2018 Show with Brad Harrub on “Atheism’s Attack on America”

The Program Opens With Greetings, Listener Gratitude, and Prayer for Parkland

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First of all, let me thank the nearly 500 of you that sent me birthday greetings yesterday. I turned 56 yesterday and it was The blow was cushioned By the the graciousness and the kindness of so many of you who submitted Birthday greetings for me.

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It gives me the motivation that I need to keep going on on this program and I thank you so much in word I cannot come up with the words to adequately describe in the English language how much you who listen to this program mean to me and I hope that you continue to listen and I hope the Lord continues to see fit to Keep this program on the air.

Also, I Want to ask of you all to obviously pray For the families and friends and loved ones of the victims of the massacre in Parkland, Florida and Obviously yesterday we made no mention of it because I did not even know it had occurred when I went on the air live so please obviously Pray for those loved ones and Friends and neighbors of the of the victims Pray that the Lord uses this tragedy this horrific nightmare to his praise honor and glory by leading many of those surviving family members to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and that that they may receive the peace that surpasses all understanding even in light of a horrific Indescribable loss and tomorrow actually we are going to have as our guest tomorrow Friday the the 16th of February for two hours.

We're going to be interviewing God willing Stephan Bomberger who is a local pastor near Parkland, Florida and he is going to be basically addressing The issues of how this has personally affected his congregation because apparently it did directly affect his congregate congregation and we'll also be Hearing a biblical lesson in the midst of this nightmare from Pastor Stephan God willing.

We are still in the process of wrapping things up for that interview tomorrow. So make sure you tune in for that broadcast today. We are Very honored to have a first-time guest here on Iron Sherpins iron.

His name is Brad her up. Dr. Brad her up and He is going to be speaking at a local Bible conference here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. I have gotten to know Chris Kratz the minister of the Carlisle Church of Christ for the last couple of years.

He has been so gracious And generous with his time.

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Volunteer. Absolutely free of charge to be my photographer at my leap my recent Iron Sherpins iron radio ministers luncheons and also the the theological debate that I Arranged over at the Carlisle theater right here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania between dr. Tony Costa of Toronto Baptist Seminary and Robert St. Genes who is a Roman Catholic apologist they debated on the immaculate conception and sinlessness of Mary the mother of Jesus and Chris Kratz was a photographer there and at other events that I've had and He is in fact, he told me that the catalyst for him having this upcoming conference with Brad Harab Was because of the pastor's luncheon that I had with dr. Tony Costa.

He was so impressed with dr. Costa. He wanted to have a conference of his own that would address similar themes and Dr. Brad Harab earned his BS in biology from Kentucky Wesleyan College and earned his doctorate degree in anatomy and Neurobiology from the College of Medicine at the University of Tennessee in Memphis.

He was listed in who's who among scientists and researchers. Researchers Conducted over 40 conducts over 40 truth about origins weekend seminars each year and is the author of the book convicted a scientist examines the evidence for Christianity and today we are going to be specifically addressing one of the themes at the Upcoming conference here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, which is on the top.

The title of that conference is what is truth? One of these subtitles of that Conference that we will discuss today is atheism's attack on America and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first Time to iron trip and Zion radio.

Dr. Brad Harab. Well, thank you Chris and Appreciate that. Well before we even go into the theme at hand atheism's attack on America let me give our our email address for any of you who would like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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The Book *Convicted* and the Rise of Atheism in America

Well.

Brad before we move on to the theme Atheism's attack in America. I would like you to give us an overall view or an overview of Convicted. A scientist examines the evidence for Christianity.

Praise God for that. It's always good to hear someone from the science the scientific world.

That truly believes in the inerrancy of Scripture who truly believes in the the truths Claimed in those scriptures and who is in fact a Christian and disciple of Jesus Christ. And that's convicted. A scientist examines the evidence for Christianity.

Tell us before I just want to prevent myself from forgetting how. Forgetting to tell our listeners how they can get a copy of that book before the end of the program.

Absolutely, the easiest way is just to go on to our website focus press org focus press org. Great and.

We'll be giving you also more information about the what-is-truth conference occurring locally here on March 2nd and 3rd in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

Well.

Atheism's attack on America that is an interesting theme and This has been going on For quite some time especially beginning I believe with Madeleine Murray O 'Hare in the 1960s. Absolutely, if you could trace something about the history of atheism's attack in America.

If we were to build a timeline the National government guys formed the National Science Foundation race at that time. President Eisenhower's advisors came to him and they said look we've got to go with what we need to get rid of God and create.

Unfortunately, he weach science in America. This was in 1959. Years later the following year the State of Arkansas was told you must teach human evolution. You don't really have a choice see about the breakdown of the whole but when you look at has been doing since 1959.

We have and are very and we already have a listener question.

We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, and he says I share your outrage that Christianity and the Bible were kicked out of the public school system to a degree. The reason why I have some hesitancy is that I have a very strict position on Theology and doctrine and I would not want a public school teacher who does does not share those convictions to be teaching my children anything.

In fact, that is why I think that Christians should also be sending their children whenever at all possible to Christian schools that reflect their own beliefs. What does your guest have to say about that?

Yes, and I think that where I would agree with you.

Is that this be a voluntary thing that has no Teacher and I'm talking about a public school system that has no teacher leading it. I am all in favor of Christians having Bible clubs. I am all in favor of Christians being given opportunity to have moments of silent prayer but I do have a Kinship with our listener that to have any person who is not a Christian.

Leading a prayer with your children. To me it is outside the bounds of what? Christian conduct would be in the scriptures. Yes, I agree with you. Atheism is a religion because it is it involves teachings about God.

It involves teachings about About theology. They would not necessarily call it that but that's what it is. Nonetheless.

And.

It is.

Somewhat frightening when you think about it. First of all, I think that atheists whenever they tell anybody in the world from their from their podiums in the media Whenever they tell anyone in the in the world that they are wrong about something they really have no basis in doing so unless they are borrowing from a Christian worldview or something because you cannot Determine right and wrong If you believe that we are just evolved bags of protoplasm.

And in fact, my friend. Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries. I orchestrated a debate with him and the current president of Madeleine Murray O 'Hare's organization American atheists. I Orchestrated a debate between them and the theme was is the New Testament evil and when dr. White Brought up the very thing that I just brought up to you that That atheists really have no business declaring anything to be good or evil because they have.

No.

Basis on which to form those opinions other than their own imaginations or unless they are borrowing from the worldviews of others.

And.

The the opponent of dr. White the president of American atheists said that Morality is determined by whatever the majority of people think and ever any given geographic area in any given era of time. So.

I guess that means the Holocaust was okay. Yeah exactly what dr.

White said and he even went as far. And and David Silverman by the way, who is the president of American atheists? He is a. He is ethnically Jewish and Dr. White said to him so if you are being marched through the gates of a death camp during the Holocaust the the most you could say in protest to this is I find this personally offensive.

And David's Silverman said yes, he agreed.

So but.

Basically, they really have no basis to tell us what is right or wrong or good or evil.

And so absolutely not because you know, I asked a why why is Rachel? Amen?

By the way, thank you CJ and Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York. You have won a free copy of convicted a scientist examines the evidence for Christianity by our guest. Dr. Brad Harab. So, please make sure we have your full mailing address in Lindenhurst, New York.

So CV bbs .com our sponsors can ship that out to you at no charge to you or to iron chirping's iron radio. We have a listener in Slovenia Joe in Slovenia who says thank you for your daily commitment to edifying the body of Christ via radio.

What does what advice does dr. Harab have for Christians who are teaching in the public school systems, especially for those teaching science. What can they legally do to promote creationism and the gospel in the classroom in?

Natural yet creative ways. Thank you for your dedicated service to our King.

It's a great question. And let me let me start. They do have their way teacher recently who was being chastised. Transgendered won't thrown out. You're gonna have to use female poke. You've got number three like.

You asked for creation. You know. Evolving on a do you strengthen the faith?

Yeah, you're right. Well, thank you Joe in Slovenia and also thank you for giving us an American address. So it'll be much more affordable for CV bbs .com to ship you a free copy of the book that has been written by our guest Dr. Brad Harab.

Convicted a scientist examines the evidence for Christianity. Thank you again and have your daughter let you know when it arrives in the mail there in Georgia where she lives and We always look forward to your excellent questions all the way from Slovenia.

Joe we have another listener from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, I'm sorry. It's not Harrisburg. It's Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania and the listeners names Harrison Harrison and Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. And Harrison says Which came first your Christianity or your love for science and the accomplished?

Degrees that you have earned. Yes, I Find that the same to be true of history. It's interesting them more I learn of science the more I convinced I am a Christian not the other way around as The secular world would have us think.

But also the more I learn of history The more I am convinced. Unlike what my Roman Catholic friends have to say they there is a famous quote by a Cardinal Newman who was a convert from Anglicanism to Roman Catholicism and He said to be steeped in history is to cease to be Protestant and I believe that he is very very wrong.

The more I learn of history the more I am convinced that the Roman Catholic Church has seriously departed from the truths of the scripture, but. Anyway, well, thank you very much for your question Harrison and please make sure we have your full mailing address.

So CV bbs .com can ship you the free copy of convicted a science a scientist examines The evidence for Christianity that you have won today for submitting your excellent question. We're gonna be going to our first station break right now.

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He is going to be involved in a Bible conference on March 2nd and March 3rd right here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. The theme is what is truth and That's on Friday March the 3rd and Saturday March I'm sorry Friday March the 2nd and Saturday March the 3rd here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania at the Carlisle Church of Christ.

And as I said before the minister there Chris Kratz has become a friend and has been my volunteer photographer. He's a professional photographer obviously a bivocational minister and He has been providing us with his services free of charge When we have special events here in Carlisle, and we thank the Lord for him.

And if you want more details on this conference go to Carlisle C of C org Carlisle at C a r l i s l e c o f.

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Org and the Subtitles under the the major theme. What is truth are? Atheism's attack in America the Christian worldview versus the secular worldview and Is the Bible a good book? Can we prove God exists and the problem of evil pain and suffering?

Those are the six? Subheadings of the the major theme What is truth and there's also going to be free meals Friday at 6 p .m. And Saturday at 12 noon. So bring an open mind and an appetite to this conference, and I'm assuming it's absolutely free because there's no mention.

Yeah, it's absolutely free. Great, and that's once again Carlisle Cofc .org is the website to find out more details.

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Think that Where we left off actually lends itself to one of the other themes that you're going to be speaking on at the conference a Christian worldview versus a secular worldview if you could Explain both of those worldviews to us.

Absolutely. So Chris, as you know a worldview is kind of the lens that we perceive everything and it is. You know, there's there's a probably given your background with history and your love for it. You are probably more aware than I am speaking to going by a motor of a mess.

Like. For instance, but what does let's ask and that will also change monuments, but now today in 2018 it is almost viewed as criminal. You know, it's of any kind of allegiance to God. Great. Do you think that all too often?

Christians are Especially those who are professing to be Christians Naively or unconsciously Behave as if they are Operating through the lenses of a secular world route worldview rather than a Christian one or biblical.

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely, I'm gonna do my work. Although I think one of the things that is affluence in your neighborhood. They've got a really need anything need God. Maybe if I get to that the common person in the pew is ingesting hours and hours usually through the Internet.

That is secular based that is promoting, you know, can you start to ruin in?

I I get the very strong opinion From people that I talk with. I've been in the Christian media Since the mid -1980s. I've met a lot of different people who profess to be Christian and a lot of different types of fellowships brotherhoods denominations sex and all kinds of things.

But I very often get the strong impression that if you really are to be nice to people and friendly and kind and good You really can't Operate from a biblical worldview. In other words, it's kinder to to treat people other than The Bible might lead you to and that is really remarkable to me.

And but in fact there were actually there is some there is some truth in that I don't think that we are always meant to be nice because if you are really looking out for the Absolute best of any individual which of course involves their eternity You're not always going to be nice.

You you should never add Insult through your own personality to the gospel because the gospel itself is guaranteed to insult The unbelief the unbeliever. Absolutely, but but don't you think that people are far more concerned about being nice than they are being truthful.

And one thing that I.

That has troubled me greatly When I watch the news every day is that there is being promoted by the left a A hypersensitivity Over language That even if things are being said with the best of intentions perhaps they're clumsily worded perhaps not perhaps people are just violating a Specific code of vocabulary that the left has demanded of us but the immediate reaction toward many people even if they are far from being racists or misogynists and That they are guilty of those crimes.

Oh, you're a racist because you've said this. Oh, you're a misogynist because you've said that this really has driven people to be terrified to speak openly about many things and about many subjects and It's it's quite an quite an interesting thing because liberals Throughout the history of this country were always accusing and I think at times rightly accusing The conservatives and those on the right over being the thought police.

Now there seems to be a radical Reversal in that a hundred and eighty degree reversal. Am I right on this?

Yes.

Exactly. I actually posted something on Facebook recently in regard to the toppling of Confederate monuments and I can only wonder because of this Frenzy that the left is in right now when we will reach a point when the monuments of Great black men of history may be toppled because they may have had views regarding gender roles That were not egalitarian.

They may be viewed as misogynist and chauvinist and then you may have the homosexual activists toppling great monuments or monuments to great women of history because these women may have held to a Biblical understanding of marriage being confined to one man and one woman and even sexuality being confined to one man and one woman for life.

Absolutely. And so where does everything. I think it's really yeah and one one thing that the.

We were talking about how Christians sometimes naively operate as if they are looking through the lenses of a secular worldview. Too many American Christians have a twisted and an unhistoric understanding of exactly what separation of church and state really means.

That that was not that is not in the Constitution. The only thing that's in the Constitution that remotely resembles that is that the this country shall not establish a religion.

But the.

Was not the separation of church and state Credo developed from Thomas Jefferson's trying to appease or Calm calm the anxiety of Baptists who are fearful.

Absolutely, they may be trying to reassure on what you're doing. Right. We've now completely Flipped that thing, you know. Rather than that We have the free which on that is government in any way and you know at this point looking in their Organized related threes and and tax-deductible hanging in the balance of his hate speech.

Right preach against it a three tax deductible. Yes, and you know that that a whole thing that whole scenario was a.

Canard it was they they were doing this the homosexuals and I hate to identify people that way because Homosexual out homosexual is not a people group. It's a behavior. Homosexuality is a behavior. But the people that were suing the bakery and there's no doubt more than one bakery that's been sued for this.

But you know that they planned this because. Number one why on earth? Especially when it comes to an edible product would you want somebody making something for you? That is got a polar opposite view of What you are?

Requiring you're asking this cake for a ceremony that they they despise. And why on earth would you want them to make it in the first place, but especially when there are Thousands of bakeries that would be more than happy to make any kind of a cake for you and no doubt.

It's interesting that there were no homosexual activists Protesting that they did not look for a homosexual owned bakery.

But we have to go to our midway break right now.

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