March 18, 2021 Show with Josh Buice on “Black Lives Matter as a Radical Terrorist Organization”

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Chris Arnzen. Good afternoon,

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday.

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Today on this 18th day of March 2021, and I'm thrilled to have back on the program one of my favorite guests.

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His name is Josh Bice, and he is the pastor of Praise Mill Baptist Church of Douglasville, Georgia, and he's also the founder and president of G3 Ministries.

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Today we are going to be addressing a very controversial theme, Black Lives Matter as a radical terrorist organization, and why pastors are called to protect the church from social justice.

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We will also be announcing the upcoming G3 Conference 2021, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Josh Bice.

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Chris, always good to be with you. Always great to have you on the program, Pastor Josh, and before we go into the subject at hand, why don't you tell our listeners something about Praise Mill Baptist Church of Douglasville, Georgia?

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Sure. We're a 179 -year -old Baptist church located just west of the city of Atlanta.

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I grew up here as well as my wife in the context of our local church. We met here, married here, and were sent out from this church to seminary and eventually pastoral ministry.

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And in God's providence, we were called home after serving out of state for seven years to serve here in the context of this local church where we grew up as children.

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So I just finished a decade of ministry here last year, last August, and so a privilege to serve this local church, this body of Christ here locally that nurtured us and cared for us as children.

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So yeah, just an honor and a privilege, honestly. Praise God. And tell us about G3 Ministries.

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I am so excited that this coming September 30th through the 2nd of October, it will be my fourth

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G3 conference where I'll be manning an exhibitor's booth for Iron Trumpets Iron Radio.

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I just have always loved the fellowship and the experience and hearing the preachers and seeing the preachers and meeting new folks that I've never met face -to -face, many of whom were already listeners to my show, and also getting new listeners to discover my show and doing on -site interviews, all kinds of great stuff.

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Well, tell us about G3 Ministries. Sure, Chris. Yeah, so G3 Ministries was birthed out of the context of our local church here.

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We started a conference in 2013 by the name of G3 Conference. It was just a theology -based conference that was going to be a weekend event for local pastors and local churches here in the

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Atlanta area. We had no idea what God would do with the conference over the years.

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It really just grew extensively over the first four years, and then we decided to do a 500th anniversary of the

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Reformation Conference in 2017, so we moved to the Convention Center for one year with all intentions to come back, really, to our local church campus.

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But it was during that time of just explosive growth that we became convinced that we would literally tell thousands of people that they could not come to the next conference if we decided to do that.

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So after praying with the elders and making a decision, we decided to stay at the Convention Center indefinitely.

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So it's through the course of years that really God grew G3 Conference, and so now it's become

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G3 Ministries, and we have transitioned a bit. We've changed the dynamics of the ministry so that we're not just a conference -based ministry, but we're also a content -based and producing ministry, so we're going to seek to produce a church -based curriculum and media that will impact local churches and be tools for the local church, but we're also going to host conferences.

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So we're going to have our national conference in Atlanta this year, September 30th through October 2nd on the theme of Christ, and then we've also moved to a biennial rotation, so we're going to have our national conference every other year, but in the off year we're going to have regional events in various different cities.

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So yeah, we're really excited about what God has done, and He gets all of the glory for all of it.

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And I have loved all four of the occasions, as I said, being at the

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G3 Conference, which were all at the Georgia International Convention Center, but this year the location, although it remains in Atlanta, Georgia, will be on Andrew Young International Boulevard.

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Tell us about the new venue. Yeah, so the new venue is in the heart of the city, so instead of being over outside of the city by the airport, we've moved to downtown

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Atlanta right next to the Mercedes Stadium in Centennial Park. So just picture fall weather in Atlanta rather than January weather, and being able to come out of the sessions for the break sessions and the supper sessions and have all of the amenities surrounding the park with just a half a block at best walk to the

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Centennial Park. Lots of things to do with your family. It's a family -focused conference, so we have pastors, pastors' wives, their children.

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We have just lots of family -focused attendees who are coming with their children.

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So it's going to be a really good move for the conference. We believe it's going to be an extremely important move for the health of the conference.

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So as families are coming, this will enable them to spend more time together and be able to enjoy that conference atmosphere and be able to take in other amenities there in the city as well.

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So we're really looking forward to the move. Amen. Well, I'm looking forward to it as well, and it will be great.

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As much as I have such fond memories of being at the Georgia International Convention Center, it's going to be a lot much more to look forward to with so many more opportunities and choices and options for different restaurants and other things to do recreationally during conference breaks and before and after conferences and so on.

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And as always, the G3 Conference has the longest and most magnificently impressive and mind -blowing roster of speakers that any conference that I've ever been privileged to attend has ever had.

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We've got this year, in 2021, Stephen Lawson speaking,

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Vody Baucom, Paul Washer, John MacArthur, my guest today,

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Josh Bice, Anthony Mathenia, and for those of you who are not familiar yet with Anthony, he happens to be

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Paul Washer's pastor, Hensworth Jonas, who is one of the most powerful preachers on the planet

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Earth. I am not exaggerating. Many people probably are unfamiliar with Hensworth Jonas.

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He's a Reformed Baptist pastor in the East Caribbean, and he has preached at the church where I am a member,

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Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania. I've also seen and heard him preach at the Banner of Truth conferences.

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He is just extraordinary. I'm so glad that you have included him. Justin Peters, Joel Beakey, Phil Johnson, and my dear friend

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James White, and the list goes on and on and on. It's amazing, it is truly amazing, that you can manage getting all these men to preach at one conference.

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Yeah, by God's grace, Chris, over the years we've developed these friendships with these brothers, and these are my friends.

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These are not just men that we want to platform, although we want to platform these men because we believe that their voices are needful today, as well as Conrad and Bayway, David Miller, Daryl Harrison, Virgil Walker.

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These guys are just faithfully defending the faith and preaching the gospel, so it's a privilege to have them at the conference, but it's even more of a privilege to call them friends.

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So, yeah, I'm grateful for their earnestness in the faith. And to explain a little bit further,

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Christ is supreme over all. Tell us about that theme. We couldn't have a better theme for this conference,

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Chris. I mean, when you think about all of the heretics and all of the heresies, historically, always putting the doctrine of Christ, if you will, in the crosshairs, and so we want to spend a weekend, and what better time than after a year -long, confusing season of politics and identity politics, and of course the idea of the pandemic and all that's been facing the church, to be able to come together for a weekend focused on Christ and to preach biblical

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Christology and to be able to uphold the doctrine of Christ and to be able to preach on the supremacy of Christ and the magnificence of Christ and to be able to talk about the sovereignty of Christ and just all of these various issues, from theology proper all the way through the preaching of Christ and all of it, just saturating our hearts and minds through the preaching and the singing for an entire weekend, so we're just thrilled and we can't wait for this fall to arrive.

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Me too. I'd like you to answer a criticism that I've heard, not of the

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G3 conference, but I have heard over the years people complain about the whole conference phenomenon, and I've heard people say, oh,

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I'm conferenced out, I'm sick of conferences, and my first reaction is, well, stay home.

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I happen to thank God that I've always been a member of a church.

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I got saved in a church on Long Island, New York, where my pastor, although he was very careful and very serious, serious is a heart attack, about who he allowed to ascend into his pulpit, at the same time he was not greedy with his pulpit.

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I know pastors, I've met pastors over the years, that they don't want guest speakers to come to preach for their congregations, and I can't help but think that they are worried that their guest speakers are going to show them up with their theological knowledge, their biblical knowledge or something, but my pastors have always been men that shared their pulpits generously, always with the finest of Christian scholars, theologians, and just gifted pastors, who have always been a blessing to me personally, and that really helped me throughout my years, since the 1980s until the present, helped me grow as a

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Christian. I think it helps prevent an isolation from other insights that other gifted men of God may have into the scriptures that your own pastors may not have, and this is not a dig or an insult to local pastors, it's just that no man knows 100 % of all of the scriptures perfectly, and some just have better insights into specific areas, and even at the

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G3 Conference you have some men that might know certain areas of the scriptures in a superior way to others, and while the ones that may not be as knowledgeable of the areas, for instance, as James White might be,

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James White might be not as researched into certain areas as Votie Balcombe may be, and on and on I could go,

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I mean, to me it's a very healthy thing, now obviously if somebody is abandoning their responsibility to gather with and support their local church, you know, there's a problem there if they're away too excessively or something, but don't you think that, obviously you do because you have some, but how do you answer the question, why are you so caught up in conferences and isn't this a dangerous thing for the body of Christ and all that kind of thing?

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Yeah, it's a really good question, Chris. First of all, I would state that we are absolutely committed to the local church, so G3 Ministries is a ministry for the local church, and we would never encourage people to just be conference junkies, just going from one conference to the next, to the next, in fact, over the years

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I've had the privilege to speak into people's lives that have approached me at the

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G3, they've talked to me about just being a part of the church in the universal sense, but not necessarily in the local sense, because they couldn't find a church that they wanted to join, or they were in between churches for long periods of time, and they were just sort of trying to sustain themselves through conferences, and I push back on that.

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You need to be committed to a local church for the glory of God. The local church is

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God's will for our lives, individually, and so God didn't save us so that we could sit at Starbucks and listen to YouTube and find, you know,

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Conrad and Bayway, or Paul Washer, or James White, and listen to them, or John McArthur, or whoever else it might be.

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He did not save us so that we could listen to the G3 app at Starbucks or a coffee shop.

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He saved us, and he's called us to identify with Christ publicly through the waters of baptism, and then also to identify with a local body of Christ, and as we covenant together, we sharpen one another, we encourage one another, we love one another, we hold one another accountable, and then we're submissive to leaders who are overseeing and seeking to shepherd us for the glory of God.

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And so, yeah, I would reject the idea of just bouncing around from event to event, but at the same time,

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I would say that if you're a committed, faithful member of a local church growing in grace, then a conference like this could be a huge blessing to you.

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You meet new friends, you come across new tools for ministry, for your family, for family worship, for, you know, the worship of God in the context of your local church, literature, all sorts of things happens in a conference.

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And by the way, attending a conference in person is far different than just simply watching it on a live stream.

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Light years different. Yeah, so I would just say the difference is, you know, people that have never learned of Iron Sharpens Iron come to a conference like G3, and they walk through the exhibit hall, and they meet you, and they learn about your wonderful radio program, and they're able to then start listening to you, and then they come across other, you know, ministries and individuals and scholars and theologians and preachers that you interview.

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So I would say that's just one example that I would use. So the exhibit hall and the bookstore and all of that that happens in that space, you can't get that by sitting at home and just taking in a couple of sessions on a live stream.

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Amen. And I am so glad that you frequently invite my favorite preacher of all time,

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Dr. Conrad Mbewe. You have had him on the roster many times at the

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G3 conference, and I just love it. I've known Conrad personally since 1995. In fact,

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I was present at the very first American worship service where he preached in 1995.

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He was a visiting preacher from Africa, Lusaka, Zambia, pastor of Kobwata Baptist Church in Lusaka, Zambia.

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This is before he was Dr. Conrad Mbewe and before African Christian University was launched that he helped to really get on its legs along with Voti Baucom.

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And Conrad and I have been dear friends ever since, had shared many meals together and many times a fellowship, and I had the opportunity at the

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Deep South Founders Conference to finally meet his wife, Felicity, a number of years ago as well.

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And I just love this brother because not only is he the most powerful preacher

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I've ever heard, but he's also one of the most humble and gracious and gentle and Christ -like shepherds that I've ever met, and it's always a thrill.

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And all of your speakers have always been a great blessing to me. And by the way, folks, next

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Wednesday, tentatively, God willing, Virgil Walker and Daryl Bernard Harrison will both be my guests on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

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They are two of the speakers on the roster of the G3 Conference, and Virgil has picked next

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Wednesday as his preferred date, but he has to confer with Daryl Bernard Harrison because he'd like to do the interview with him since they host a podcast together.

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And so I just want my listeners to be aware that it is most likely going to be Wednesday, but it could be

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Monday or Tuesday, depending upon Daryl Bernard Harrison's schedule. But I just want to thank you and everybody at Praise Mill Baptist Church who is involved in these conferences, and now, of course,

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Virgil Walker is the, what is his exact title?

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A director of operations? Yeah, he's the executive director of operations. That's right.

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Yes, and I want to thank him as well for having a phenomenal lineup and a phenomenal conference awaiting us this fall from September 30th to October 2nd.

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And for more information, you could go to g3conference .com, g3conference .com.

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You could also go to the new website g3min .org, g3min .org,

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that's g3 -m -i -n .org, and the three is always the number. It's never the word in the website.

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And also, for those of you who want to find out more about Praise Mill Baptist Church, if you happen to be visiting

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Douglasville, Georgia, perhaps you have family and friends and loved ones near there, or perhaps you're considering even moving there, praisemill .com,

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p -r -a -y -s -mill .com. It's not spelt like you might think. It's not p -r -a -i -s -e.

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It's p -r -a -y -s -mill .com. And I know you've repeated yourself many times with the reason why you call it that.

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It had to do with the original owner of the land was a man named

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Pray, am I correct? That's right. So, the official name has an apostrophe in there, p -r -a -y -s, and it's because Ephraim Pray donated the land and helped as founder of the church, and so they named it after his mill because he had a sawmill and he donated the lumber that went into building the building.

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There was a schoolhouse during the week, and it was a house for worship on the Lord's Day. Great. Well, I am looking forward to our theme today, even though a part of me is not looking forward to it because it's a horrible phenomenon that is one of those issues that has crept into not just leftist, apostate, mainline, dead churches.

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It has even more tragically, unexpectedly, crept into and even dominated formally, theologically sound, doctrinally reformed, uh, just wonderful congregations and denominations that have now become polluted with this whole area of Black Lives Matter, of social justice warrior -ism, of all kinds of things that go under the umbrella of the woke movement.

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It is such a tragedy that I have even interviewed men on this program who, as little as nine years ago, were totally impressing me and having me repeatedly say, amen, amen, and praise

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God because they were so biblically astute and right on the money theologically, even on the areas of racial prejudice and bigotry and so on, and even mocking and warning about some of these crazy ideas that would be under the umbrella of the woke movement that they are now supporting, that they are now promoting, that they are now the lead figures in that genre, and it's just so disturbing.

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We're going to be addressing, as I already announced when we come back from the first break, Black Lives Matter as a radical terrorist organization and why pastors are called to protect the church from social justice.

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If you have a question for Pastor Josh Bice on these areas, send me an email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com,

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This is Chris Larson. If you just tuned in to Iron Trump and Zion Radio, our guest today for the full two hours is

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Josh Bice, pastor of Praise Mill Baptist Church in Douglasville, Georgia, and also founder and president of G3 Ministries, which will be running the

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G3 Conference coming up September 30th through October 2nd in Atlanta, Georgia.

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We are discussing Black Lives Matter as a radical terrorist organization and why pastors are called to protect the church from social justice.

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If you have a question, please send it to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

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Please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the

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USA. Pastor Josh, the

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Black Lives Matter movement and organization, interestingly and I think even brilliantly, created a name for itself which would automatically leave someone in the awkward position if they are indeed opposed to this movement by saying they disagree with Black Lives Matter, making it sound as if you are a racist from the get -go.

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Tell us about Black Lives Matter. I know that it may sound like a ridiculous question to ask at this point in time since you have to be living in a cave not to have heard of it, but obviously there are many people who still misunderstand it, don't really know who founded it, and don't know what the real agenda is.

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Let us know why you do not believe you are overstretching, that you are not using hyperbole, or you're not slandering these folks by saying they are a radical terrorist organization.

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Yeah Chris, so Black Lives Matter is an organization that was really founded back in 2013 and it was founded in response to the controversial

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George Zimmerman trial that was a part of the whole situation that followed the death of Trayvon Martin.

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And so after, and many people may remember, after the Zimmerman trial it was discovered that, or through the trial you might say, it was discovered that when the evidence was presented that these six jurors were given three options.

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They could either find George Zimmerman guilty of second degree murder, or they could find him guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter, or they could find him not guilty at all of any unlawful act.

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And so the six jurors, after 16 hours of deliberation looking at the evidence, determined that as tragic as this story might be, that you had this young man named

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Trayvon Martin who was actually killed by gunshot from George Zimmerman, that based on the facts of the case and based on the evidence that was presented to them in a court of law, they found

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George Zimmerman not guilty. And of course we remember the eruption of emotional response that took place.

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And so we have this organization that was formed by very liberal individuals who consider themselves to be trained

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Marxists. And this organization known as Black Lives Matter was actually created for the purpose of responding to that.

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Now in their original founding documents or the documents that were presented online and on their website originally stated that it was an organization that was formed in response to the murder of Trayvon Martin.

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So if you just read into that, you can see right off the bat, they're calling it murder when in a court of law, it was stated that it was not murder.

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So there you have it. It was a very controversial case, lots of emotion, lots of response.

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And as a result, now what you have is you have an organization that has gained momentum through the years.

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You had the Michael Brown situation, and then of course you have

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Trayvon Martin's situation, and then you fast forward to most recently the

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George Floyd situation. And so what you've had is you've had this organization that's been posturing itself as an organization that actually is advocating for individuals that have been oppressed or mistreated or abused, or it's advocating for individual families who have experienced oppression and murderous hatred and racism.

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But really what Black Lives Matter organization as a whole is interested in doing is becoming a social justice organization that is interested in political posturing, virtue signaling, and really disrupting the whole of society.

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So when you have this idea of them saying that George Zimmerman got away with murder, for instance, they're inciting emotional response from communities.

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And so then you have the whole George Floyd situation, and you have Black Lives Matter as a hashtag, and so then you have

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Christians now who are actually using the hashtag. And again, there's a debate.

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Do you use the hashtag or do you not use the hashtag? Because if you use the hashtag and you say

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Black Lives Matter, which Christians should all agree that Black lives do matter, but then are you really promoting the organization as a whole?

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And I would say, yes, you are. And so I would think that there's a better way, if you will, to state that Black lives do matter, because they do matter.

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But we should not just become pawns in the whole system, the controversial system that Black Lives Matter is interested in promoting.

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So if you look at the situation as a whole, and you look at how

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Black Lives Matter postures itself, it really just postures itself as an organization that's interested in disrupting society.

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And in fact, one of the things that's stated on its website previously was this. It stated the following, we disrupt the

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Western prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and villages that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable, end quote.

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So again, the methodology of disruption and deconstruction finds its source really in the postmodern idea of people like Jacques Derrida, for instance, a postmodern philosopher.

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And so these trained Marxists, the founders of Black Lives Matter, they're interested in really controlling the narrative of culture.

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And so really, it's what I would call a terroristic organization, because it's promoting lawless behavior in our culture.

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Yes, and it is really sickening, and sinister, and slanderous, no intentional using of the three

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S's there, that everybody in the world, it seems, outside and now, unfortunately, in many cases, inside the church.

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The charge of racism is thrown out even when a certain incident or circumstance has absolutely nothing to do with bigotry, or racial hatred, or discrimination over one's skin color, or ethnic origin, in order to basically render the accused of being evil in the eyes and ears of all who hear and see the news about whatever occurrence those in the

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Black Lives Matter movement and their allies want to bring into the public eye.

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I remember just recently, I had the privilege of seeing our mutual friend Dr. Vodie Baucom preach here in Pennsylvania.

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He actually conducted a conference on critical race theory, which was absolutely mind -blowing.

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It was utterly superb, and I will try to get that information into the hands of my listeners as soon as I know where the videos or audio tapes can be gotten.

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But Dr. Baucom, during his entire conference, he would occasionally, in between giving us some shocking news from horrible information, details, facts, about this whole matter, he would take the little jingle from a children's movie,

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I think it was a Legos movie, where apparently there was a song, I haven't seen it, but apparently there was a song that his children have been singing ever since seeing it in their home.

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Everything is awesome, awesome, awesome. And Dr. Baucom would change the words and insert them at poignant parts into the conference, everything is racist, racist, racist, everything is racist, because it seems as if everything that is wrong with the world today, everything that is wrong with mankind, everything that is wrong with those that have an ideology outside of leftism and Marxism, it doesn't even matter what color you are.

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You could be a black person and you are still an anti -black racist, if you disagree with them.

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This has really reached the point of utter insanity, hasn't it? It has, it really has.

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Just the idea of race itself, I mean, if you just look at their website and you see how they use the term race, and really that's become this common language in our culture, racism.

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Again, I prefer the language of ethnic prejudice. The term race is a social construct.

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In fact, it's a modern social construct, if you will. And it's this idea that there's a multiplicity of races instead of one human race.

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And so the idea is intended to divide us, always keep us divided. Keep us divided by groups, and then subgroups of those groups, and then subgroups of those subgroups, just continuously dividing us.

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But when we read and look at life through the lens of Scripture, we see in Genesis chapter 1 that God himself actually created one human race in his image and likeness.

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And so when we look at the world as Christians, we should see one human race.

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A multitude of ethnicities, but one human race. And so every single person is created in the image and likeness of God.

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That idea of the Imago Dei should be something that we as Christians should support, and we should fight for that.

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And we should reject this idea of always being divided. And so this is why I say that Black Lives Matter is not about unity.

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It's not about building unity in our cities, or in our schools, or in our churches.

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It's about dividing us, and always dividing us. And we always need to see it that way.

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We need to understand that if we want real, genuine unity, we have to approach the world through the

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Gospel, not through this idea of racism and this social construct that Black Lives Matter continues to use.

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In fact, I want to quote Virgil Walker here. I think this is extremely important. Virgil Walker, again, you stated earlier, is the

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Executive Director of G3 Ministries. He's the co -host of the Just Thinking podcast. He and Daryl Harrison have done extensive work on the issue of Black Lives Matter, and the whole racism issue, and white supremacy, and all of it.

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But this is what he says regarding Black Lives Matter. Virgil Walker says, quote, the outcome of the

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Zimmerman case, and other cases like it, is exactly what the founders of the

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BLM organization desire. There is no way to advance the BLM cause if justice is served.

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The advance of the BLM cause is only benefited by emotional responses devoid of facts.

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The BLM cause is only benefited by inciting violence and increasing ethnic hatred, and by establishing the permanent victimhood of the people they claim to be helping.

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Black lives have never mattered to Black Lives Matter, end quote.

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Now that's an extremely important statement by Virgil, because what he's stating is that the goal of Black Lives Matter is not unity and justice as they claim it is.

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It is to always divide us, and always to incite emotional hatred and consistent victimhood, so that we can continuously be fighting.

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And if we can continuously fight, they can continuously have a business to operate.

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Because at the end of the day, Black Lives Matter is really about making money.

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They brought in 90 million dollars in 2020. Massive corporations gave lots of money to Black Lives Matter to fund them.

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DoorDash gave them $500 ,000. Becker's gave them $500 ,000. Gatorade gave them $500 ,000.

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Microsoft gave them $250 ,000. Airbnb gave them $500 ,000.

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Dropbox gave them $500 ,000. Nabisco gave them $500 ,000. I mean, I could just go on and on.

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The idea is that they were virtue signaling and claiming to advocate for individuals who were oppressed.

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And so people out of sympathy started just opening up their checkbooks and just donating money to this organization.

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And it's a radical left social justice organization that's really interested in dividing us and keeping us divided so that they can continue their agenda, which is really about control.

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They really want to control us. Yes, and it is itself racism or hatred of white heterosexual males, basically.

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It is the very thing they are claiming to be opposing, claiming to be at war with.

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They are champions of it. Sometimes when you hear the rhetoric, you have to take a double take and look again.

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Yes, this is a black person who is saying these things, but it sounds like it's from the Ku Klux Klan handbook.

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It is utterly amazing, isn't it? It is amazing, Chris. And what was so tragic was that, in fact, myself and anyone who is standing against this radical social justice movement, we would never celebrate anything like the death of Trayvon Martin or the death of Michael Brown or the death of George Floyd.

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These are all tragic, tragic stories. It should break our hearts when an individual, even if he's engaging in lawless behavior, if he acts in such a way that brings about his death, listen, we should all find that troubling.

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And it should be just one more example of the brokenness of human depravity on planet

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Earth. But what was so troubling is that when you see Black Lives Matter as a hashtag continuing to energize, if you will, the mobs and the riots that were taking place in 2020 in response to George Floyd, Black Lives Matter was celebrating this lawlessness.

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They were celebrating it. And when people were pouring bottles of urine on police officers' heads and throwing all sorts of harmful chemicals and things in police officers' faces and spitting upon them and even killing them in the name of Black Lives Matter and hashtag defund the police, they were celebrating this.

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And yet, you know, if they were oppressed, they would, you know, denounce lawless behavior.

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But in many ways, you could see that they were not denouncing the riot. They were claiming that that was a right of the people to have this emotional response.

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And so they're burning down businesses, even businesses that were owned by Black people and employed

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Pastor Josh, you were right in the middle of saying before the midway break that very tragically and ironically, it is often black people themselves and other minorities who are hurt the most from the activities of Black Lives Matter and the woke movement.

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Isn't that right? That's right, Chris. Uh, if we look back at the events that happened after the

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George Floyd tragedy, what we find is that Black Lives Matter as a hashtag and even the organization itself is promoting lawless behavior against police officers, against businesses that would employ black people, and if you just look at the logic of it, it doesn't really make sense.

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So when you start really digging into the details of this organization and you see what they support and what they don't support and how lucrative this idea of division, animosity, victimhood is, it's really a multi -million dollar, some have stated that even a multi -billion dollar industry.

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Let's just think about this, this one reality. When we think about the CDC data reveals that the black abortion rate, which is abortions per 1 ,000 women ages 15 to 44, exceeded all other ethnicities in the most recent statistics.

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Black abortion rate is 25 .1, Hispanic abortion rate 11 .7,

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01:13:51

And then of course, they radically support the idea of the woman's right to choose if she wants to let her child live or not.

01:13:59

So I would consider this organization, instead of being a peaceful organization looking to bring about unity and peace and justice, it's interested in disruption, deconstruction, and death.

01:14:12

And so we should as Christians reject the Black Lives Matter organization and expose it for what it really is.

01:14:20

Yes. And I'm going to recommend to our listeners a fascinating documentary.

01:14:26

I've recommended this documentary many times on my show. I don't know if you've even heard of it or watched it,

01:14:34

Pastor Josh, but it's called Ma 'afa 21, M -A -A -F -A -21.

01:14:42

Ma 'afa is a Swahili word for genocide. And it is a documentary predominantly featuring

01:14:50

Black hosts and speakers who are decrying the horrible genocide of Black babies that is occurring in the

01:15:05

United States through abortion. And it traces the roots of the abortion movement and even further in the past before Margaret Sanger and so on.

01:15:18

And it is interesting that even Planned Parenthood has finally admitted that Margaret Sanger was a racist after many years of them and leftists ignoring that fact.

01:15:29

They just couldn't do it anymore. Margaret Sanger was indeed a racist who intended to wipe

01:15:35

Blacks off the face of the earth through enforced sterilization.

01:15:42

And then later Planned Parenthood extended that to the murdering of children in the womb, all because of eugenics being the basis for this.

01:15:53

But it's a fascinating documentary because it even shows how even the leftists and Marxists of the 50s and 60s earlier on in the 20th century, they recognized this.

01:16:10

Those that were Black militant groups like the Black Panthers and even a notable celebrity comedian

01:16:18

Dick Gregory, they knew that abortion was intended to get rid of Black folks.

01:16:25

And it is utterly amazing, isn't it, how successful the left has been at brainwashing the populace into removing that whole element from the abortion issue.

01:16:42

Isn't it just amazing, astounding how successful they have been deceiving the populace?

01:16:49

Oh yeah, absolutely. It's a tragedy when you think about the number of Black lives that are lost by abortion.

01:16:57

Any life lost in abortion is a tragedy. But when people start talking about the fact that you have organizations like Black Lives Matter and other organizations like Planned Parenthood that supposedly is advocating for women and women's rights, think about how many women die in the womb.

01:17:16

Little young girls, little young babies are dying in the womb as a result of Planned Parenthood.

01:17:24

And then you have Black Lives Matter who's advocating for the rights of Black people to be able to go out and abort these babies.

01:17:36

And again, talking about justice, what about justice for these little babies, these little Black babies that are dying by abortion?

01:17:45

And we should be outraged by this. We should be absolutely outraged. And then the idea that they continue to press this divisive agenda.

01:17:55

Listen to what Thomas Sowell once stated in his book Discrimination and Disparities.

01:18:01

He said the following, quote, what can any society today hope to gain by having newborn babies in that society enter the world as heirs to prepackage grievances against other babies born into that same society on the same day, end quote.

01:18:19

So if you can continue to keep brainwashing individuals who grow up in Black neighborhoods and encourage them to hate their white neighbor and look to them as the oppressor and look to themselves as the oppressed, what you're going to do is you're going to continue to have this emotional hatred.

01:18:43

It continues this divide. And so what I preach is the gospel of Jesus, and I know that that's what you preach as well,

01:18:50

Chris. And what we want to do is we want to continue to preach the gospel, because it's not through the lens of social justice that we're going to find unity.

01:18:59

It's through the gospel of Jesus Christ that we're going to find unity. And that's why when you look at, like,

01:19:04

Galatians 3 and you see this idea of Jew and Gentile, male and female, bond and free, coming together, how?

01:19:12

In the gospel of Christ, not through this manufactured unity called social justice.

01:19:19

Social justice never accomplishes unity. It always accomplishes disunity and disruption.

01:19:25

And so we need to point that out and we need to expose it for what it is, and then we need to reject it.

01:19:33

I mean, if you just look at Black Lives Matter, for instance, back in 2020, they ran a campaign, hashtag what matters 2020, and listen to what it stated.

01:19:45

It stated, quote, BLM's hashtag what matters 2020 is a campaign aimed to maximize the impact of the

01:19:53

BLM movement by galvanizing BLM supporters and allies to the polls in the 2020

01:20:01

U .S. presidential election to build collective power, notice the language there, and ensure candidates are held accountable for the issues that systemically and disproportionately impact black and underserved communities across the nation, end quote.

01:20:20

Again, the idea is to build this power. It's a political movement.

01:20:28

Black Lives Matter doesn't really focus on caring for black lives, or they would be looking at abortion, they would be looking at other issues that are killing off the black population in far greater ways than, you know, issues related to, say, police brutality, which is one of the things that they like to continuously point to.

01:20:50

When you look at the stats, police officers killed 1 ,000 Americans in recent years.

01:20:55

50 % are white, 25 % are black. Heather McDonald of the

01:21:01

Manhattan Institute has written the following. She stated, quote, regarding threats to blacks from police, a police officer is 18 .5

01:21:09

times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer, end quote.

01:21:18

So when you just look at the stats, Chris, I mean, abortion is killing off far more black babies than we have police officers killing unarmed black men.

01:21:29

And so we just need to be honest. If Black Lives Matter as an organization cared in the slightest degree about the actual lives of black people, they would be outraged by abortion.

01:21:43

Yes, they would. And by the way, folks, I want to plug the website of MAFA21. It's such an outstanding documentary.

01:21:51

Go to M as in Michael, AA, F as in Frank, A21, the numbers, 21 .com,

01:21:58

M -A -A -F -A -21 .com. And Josh quoted

01:22:03

Thomas Sowell a moment ago. Got to keep in mind, Thomas Sowell is a black man and he is truly a genius, an

01:22:12

American economist, social theorist and senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.

01:22:18

He's 90 years old and still as sharp as a tack. You can find out more about Thomas Sowell at TSowell .com

01:22:26

and Sowell is spelled S -O -W -E -L -L .com. That's TSowell .com.

01:22:32

And we have a listener. We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, who asks you, unless we get charged with throwing out the baby with the bath water, is there anything coming from the left, from sincere but misguided people that is correct about this whole racial issue?

01:23:00

Yeah, that's a really good question. I would simply state that, yes, there are real genuine disparities in the black population and there is a real thing called racism in this world that we live in.

01:23:13

And we need to recognize that there is you know, certain types of, you know, systemic problems that face the black population.

01:23:24

But what we need to recognize is that there's not this holistic, systemic racist movement that's led by the white population seeking to hold back the black population.

01:23:39

That is not at all what's happening across political lines or even across economic spheres or within the educational and university systems or even within evangelical denominations.

01:23:54

That's not what's happening. So when we look at disparities, we need to ask ourselves one question.

01:24:00

What's the source of it? And then we need to ask a second question. What's the solution as a result of all these problems?

01:24:08

So what's the source and what's the solution? And I think that the Black Lives Matter organization gets both the source and the solution wrong.

01:24:18

And I think that the social justice movement as a whole gets the source and the solution wrong. I think, for instance, this false narrative that every disparity that you see the black population in America facing is a direct link to the slave trade industry and in the broken history of America is an absolute false narrative and it must be rejected.

01:24:43

We need to ask the question about the breakdown of the family. We need to ask ourselves what happened in the 1960s with the welfare system when you had the black population that had an illegitimacy rate of 25 percent in the 60s and now it's presently 75 percent.

01:25:02

Well, welfare actually played into the increase of that number, encouraging women to not marry and the more children that she had while remaining unmarried, she had more benefits as a result.

01:25:17

She was being rewarded for that misconduct and for that lack of marriage and the breakdown of the family.

01:25:27

And so we just need to ask honest questions about dropout rates and we need to ask honest questions about all of these disparities.

01:25:36

But I think it's a tragedy to point the finger at white people and say white people are to blame for it.

01:25:43

And so as a result, we need to pay reparations and we need to try to, you know, overcome these disparities and take responsibility for it.

01:25:53

I think that individuals need to be held individually responsible for their own decisions.

01:26:00

And so encouraging this ongoing idea of victimhood is a massive problem.

01:26:06

It will only increase the problem and it will only increase the divide. It will never create unity.

01:26:13

We have an anonymous listener who asks, I know that all the folks who have been involved in the

01:26:21

G3 conference, including yourself, have been conservative complementarians, but you have allowed women in the past to speak.

01:26:32

I was wondering what your justification is for that and if it's just a coincidence that this year there doesn't seem to be any women on the lineup.

01:26:42

Yeah, yeah, that's a really good question. I appreciate the question, in fact, and I'm happy to answer it.

01:26:48

The fact of the matter is simply this. We have historically, in the past, almost in every one of our conferences, had women speaking.

01:26:58

But women are speaking only to women. In fact, I have actually personally walked into sessions in the past from my friends, the

01:27:09

Currens. Cindy Curren was speaking and I was over in the meal room having a meal at the time of her session starting.

01:27:18

Her husband, Don, came in and he said, hey, he said, Pastor Josh, there are men sitting in this room over here and it's packed.

01:27:26

And they're actually sitting there and my wife is concerned. She's getting ready to start. Can you come over? Now, if you know

01:27:33

Don, Don is a gentle giant. Yes, I know both of them, actually. Yeah, I mean, the man is like 6 '10".

01:27:40

I mean, he's just a towering man. And I'm thinking, Don, why don't you go in and say something?

01:27:46

But nevertheless, I went in there and I just gently encouraged all the men who were in the room to go ahead and give up their seat and go find another session so that Cindy could speak and teach to the women.

01:28:00

We advertise all of those sessions and try to encourage that only women are going into those women's sessions.

01:28:07

And so, yeah, I mean, we try to police it. We try to advertise it that way.

01:28:14

And so it is not our intention at all to allow for any of those breakout sessions that women are leading, whether it be a

01:28:20

Q &A or whether it be a breakout session where a woman is speaking or teaching for there to be men there.

01:28:27

So we are committed in our positions on complementarianism and we would never encourage that.

01:28:34

Furthermore, this year, we intend to have women breakout session speakers, but we've been navigating the complexities of our breakout session spaces based on COVID restrictions.

01:28:46

We believe that we're not going to be bound by any of those restrictions by the fall and we're going to have some of those smaller breakout session rooms available.

01:28:55

So we're probably going to be announcing some of those speakers in the days to come. But right now, we have to hold off until we have a green light from the convention center.

01:29:05

Now, does this mean you're mad at me because I sat in the audience during Rosaria Butterfield's lectures? No, no, no.

01:29:12

I'll just let you take that up with the Lord, brother. Well, isn't there a difference between, though, a man voluntarily sitting in the audience hearing a brilliant godly woman speak, even if the event was intended for women, and a church that has women in leadership in the function of a teacher in mixed audiences?

01:29:43

Isn't there a difference? Yeah, I would say that there is a difference, but I would also state that in the sense of certain times in the past when we've had women, like, you know, give, say, a testimony.

01:29:59

Rosaria Butterfield giving a testimony of her story of coming out of, you know, the radical leftist agenda and homosexuality and all of this.

01:30:09

That's different than her opening scripture and standing there and teaching the Bible. And so I think that there's a little bit of freedom there as well.

01:30:17

But yeah, so I would say we need to be cautious just in the sense of how we, as conference organizers, platform individuals, and how we advertise those sessions, and we try to do that in a very careful way.

01:30:32

We have John in Bangor, Maine, who asks, Do you have any counsel for Christians who are beginning to complain frequently about being victims themselves because of the climate of the left being in power in so many places in the world and in so many spheres of life?

01:30:55

Yeah, that's a really good question. I think the problem with this idea of victimhood is that, you know, the left is continuing to press this idea of victimhood and this grievance mentality, and it keeps us divided.

01:31:14

In fact, the message of social justice and what I would call within evangelicalism, the grievance gospel, states that you're a victim, so you deserve to be paid.

01:31:24

But yet, if you read the Bible and you read the gospel, the gospel says something different.

01:31:30

It doesn't teach us that we're victims that deserve to be paid. It teaches us that we're sinners who deserve to be damned, and when we look at ourselves through the lens of the gospel, we see that we deserve nothing less than the wrath of God, but it's the free gift of eternal life that is given to us through Jesus Christ our

01:31:53

Lord, and it's the gospel that teaches us that God's Son came to die for sinners who are guilty, who deserve condemnation, and who did not deserve mercy, who did not deserve justification, but we are given grace through Christ.

01:32:10

And so the idea of the social justice movement is to keep us, you know, divided, keep people as perpetual victims, and encourage this mentality of an ongoing grievance in our culture, which does nothing but divide us.

01:32:29

And so if we continue to allow that sort of narrative to play its way out in culture, then every time we walk out the doors and go out into a business establishment or go out into the park in our cities, then we look at people, and the first thing we see is skin color rather than seeing a human being, and I think that's a tragedy.

01:32:49

And so I think that when you continuously have this victimhood mentality, it encourages people to, instead of taking responsibility for their own human depravity, it makes them feel like, well, they're just victims of all of the hardships of life, and they've been oppressed, and so they can just be lazy and not really take responsibility for their own actions and their own failures.

01:33:16

And so I think that on both sides of the fence, whether it be white people and how we address issues, or whether it be black people and how they respond to disparities, we don't need to be allowing the social justice agenda to just continuously divide us by this victimhood culture.

01:33:36

And wouldn't you say that all this depends? Because Christians are today not like they are in the

01:33:43

Sudan and in China and other places where the persecution of Christians or against Christians is horrific, nightmarish, brutal.

01:33:58

You know, people are actually being tortured and murdered in various places of the world. We're not there, but we are being persecuted as Christians, and we are victims to an extent of in different realms of life.

01:34:11

But the difference is, as far as I know, at least those that are biblically sound and sane individuals who would be a representation of the

01:34:25

Christian faith, Christians are not, by and large, demanding special rights, whereas those in other situations that are the those that are claiming victimhood in the left or on the left are indeed claiming special rights.

01:34:45

And they're actually claiming reparations and things from people who are not guilty of actually stealing anything from them or treating, you know, you have white people that may have immigrated to the

01:35:00

United States long after slavery existed here, who are being treated as if they had plantations themselves.

01:35:07

And in essence, they're being slandered for things that they never did. Am I right?

01:35:14

Oh, you're exactly right. And this idea of, you know, we're owed something, again, it's the wrong view of life.

01:35:23

God doesn't owe us anything, in fact. And if we approach life through the lens of the gospel, then we see a right view of ourselves instead of this social construct of who the world says that we are.

01:35:35

And if you replace biblical justice with social justice, then you eventually replace

01:35:41

Jesus's church with the woke church. And both of those are massive errors.

01:35:48

And then furthermore, to your point about immigration, white immigration coming over long after the slave trade ended,

01:35:54

I mean, you have people today that are continuously using that language of African American.

01:36:00

And all that idea, that descriptor, African American, how do you know that the person is from Africa?

01:36:08

How do you know their ancestors are from Africa? You don't know that. And so this was something that Jesse Jackson and others within the

01:36:15

Civil Rights Movement years ago used as a tool to continuously divide white people from black people and to encourage this idea of victimhood.

01:36:27

Because if you can make people look at a black person, a person with black skin, and say, that person is an

01:36:32

African American, what you're... well, what that descriptor is intended to do is to make us think their ancestors came over on the slave ships.

01:36:42

And white people drove those ships. And so we're responsible for their oppression when that's not actually the narrative.

01:36:52

If you read a right view of history, it's not an accurate narrative. And so I think we need to move away from the

01:37:01

African American language. And we need to move away from the usage of racism and talk about ethnic prejudice rather than racism.

01:37:09

We need to understand the power of words and the baggage of these words and what they're intended to do.

01:37:17

Yes, and I don't know what she is saying or believing today, but even a leftist like Whoopi Goldberg used to be very opposed to being called an

01:37:30

African American, and she refused to identify herself that way, at least at one time. I don't know what she's saying today.

01:37:37

But it's interesting, isn't it, how the ideology has changed so much on the left, where you see the stark contrast between liberalism and leftist totalitarianism.

01:37:52

Liberals and conservatives, who are actually godly, not all conservatives, but those that were biblically moral, used to teach the virtue and the being colorblind, and that is viewing someone and treating them because of how they behave, the content of their character and not the color of their skin, stealing from Martin Luther King Jr.'s

01:38:24

famous speech. Now that is considered racist. We are not to be colorblind.

01:38:30

We are supposed to be very aware of the color of people around us and treat people of different melanin contents in their skin differently.

01:38:42

Isn't that just utterly amazing? It is utterly amazing. It really is. Again, the typical playbook of the social justice agenda is just to keep us divided.

01:38:54

But if you think about it, even like you mentioned Martin Luther King Jr., he has a famous quote that's oftentimes used, and that quote is this.

01:39:06

He said, it is appalling that the most segregated hour of Christian America is 11 o 'clock on Sunday.

01:39:15

Now, you have people within the Southern Baptist Convention, and people like Ed Stetzer and others to name names, and Russell Moore, who would encourage this idea that if you're going to be a really healthy church, you're going to be a diverse church.

01:39:32

And what they mean by that is that you're going to have a certain amount of percentage of Black membership and a more balanced membership, you know, representing the

01:39:45

Black community and as well as within leadership. But it's interesting, isn't it?

01:39:52

If you think about it, that statement is oftentimes leveraged against the quote -unquote white church.

01:39:59

But rarely do you, if ever, do you hear that language of that quote by Martin Luther King Jr.

01:40:04

used in regards to the Black church. It's always the white church that's supposed to have more

01:40:11

Black members, but it's never the Black church that's supposed to have more white members.

01:40:20

It's just this unbalanced critique. And furthermore,

01:40:26

I don't like the language of Black church and white church. I think that the church of Jesus Christ should be called the church, period.

01:40:34

You don't have to call it the white church or the white church or the Black church. Call it the church.

01:40:40

And yet embrace one another through the gospel of Jesus Christ as brothers and sisters in Christ.

01:40:46

I have a very dear friend who is now in heaven, Dr. Robert J. Cameron, a Black Orthodox Presbyterian pastor, who at my urging back in the early 90s wrote a book on racism in the church.

01:41:03

And one of the most major publishers of Christian books in the world sent a rejection letter to him, and they thanked him for the manuscript, and they said, this is the finest unsolicited manuscript we have ever received in our history of publishing.

01:41:26

But we, however, regret that we do not feel comfortable publishing this book, because in addition to criticizing white

01:41:35

Christians for the sin of racism, you also critique Blacks for the same sin, and we are not comfortable at this time doing that.

01:41:44

Can you imagine that? Because he was teaching the universality of the sin of racism.

01:41:51

Yeah, I mean, and that's tragic. And to the point, Chris, this is what I would encourage.

01:41:58

As we think about the Black, I mean, we can sit and talk about the Black Lives Matter organization and talk about the problems of that organization all day long, and most people are going to agree with us.

01:42:09

Most Christians are going to agree with us there. But the problem becomes when you start talking about the issues of social justice within evangelicalism today, and that's where you're going to have a massive divide.

01:42:22

And I think it's time for pastors to recognize that they're calling. They're calling as a pastor.

01:42:29

One of the qualifications in Titus chapter 1 of an elder is that they are to be able to defend the faith, that they're able to actually silence those who are upsetting families and teaching shameful doctrines.

01:42:43

And if you're unwilling to defend the gospel, if you're unwilling to defend

01:42:48

Jesus's church against this radical, woke church ideology and critical race theory and intersectionality and all of this garbage that's being imported into evangelicalism, then you really should just resign from your post as a pastor.

01:43:05

It was John Calvin who actually said it this way years ago. He said, a pastor needs two voices, one for gathering the sheep and the other for driving away wolves and thieves.

01:43:15

And pastors need to be able to be honest and to say, it doesn't matter how popular the social justice agenda is, it doesn't matter how powerful it is.

01:43:26

We need to stand against this radical agenda that's dividing the church of Jesus Christ.

01:43:34

Amen. And we have to go to our final break. It's going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks. If you have a question, please submit it immediately.

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And Pastor Josh Bice, the theme of the conference, once again, is Christ is supreme over all.

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Isn't the inclusion of this whole Black Lives Matter and social justice warrior stuff into the body of Christ, is that not stripping

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Christ himself of his rightful place of preeminence in the Church? It absolutely is,

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Chris, and so one of the things we want to do is speak to that very issue at this conference, and point people to their hope in Christ and biblical unity that comes, not manufactured unity, by the way.

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You can manufacture unity by, you know, the fear of the sword and the fear of punishment, but genuine, real unity comes in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and so that's what we want to preach during this conference.

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Amen. And, you know, how do we as Christians, what counsel as a pastor do you have for us?

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How do you... Go ahead, I'm sorry. No, I was just going to say, Chris, you know, as a pastor, what

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I would say is, in regards to the grievance mentality, to the social justice movement, to all of the things that we have facing the

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Church today, is that pastors need to recognize that people in the pews of the

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Church on the Lord's Day, they need to be fed the Word of God, and yet at the same time, they need to be told how to face these issues that they're hearing about on the news in the evening, or reading in the newspaper, or seeing played out in their communities.

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And so I think pastors need to speak to this. Right now, presently, I'm preaching a four -week series on Christ and culture.

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We finished Romans, now we're headed into this series, and then after that we're going to dive into Luke's Gospel for a few years.

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But I wanted to take time to address these issues to help equip our Church to be able to stand firm in this age of confusion.

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So be patient, but yet at the same time, preach the Word faithfully and defend the faith, as pastors are called to do.

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Now, we have an excellent question from a listener, Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who says, how do you respond to the critique, even from conservative

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Reform brothers and sisters, that would say, we are to hear the Gospel preached from the pulpit, and we are here to hear the

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Bible exegeted to introduce things like Black Lives Matter and a whole host of other issues that are more political into the preaching of the

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Gospel, is diluting the Gospel, and therefore should not be present. How do you respond to that charge?

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Well, I think our calling as pastors is to preach the Word and to, at the same time, apply the

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Word of God to our modern -day audience. And so when it comes to issues of, you know, controversy that we're facing in our culture, it would be an absolute tragedy for pastors to remain silent on these matters.

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People are absolutely confused. We have people right now that are flooding into our church, presently here in our local congregation, who are just dissatisfied with the reality that their pastors are just consistently silent on these massive issues.

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And so they're asking questions and seeking to hear what the Bible says on these matters.

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So as pastors, we're called to defend the faith, and if you have a social justice agenda that's actually attacking the

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Gospel, we need to remember what Paul said to the Church of Galatia. If we are an angel from heaven should preach any other

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Gospel than that which I have preached unto you, then let him be accursed. So how are we going to defend the faith against these false teachings?

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And by the way, the social justice agenda is a false Gospel. How are we going to defend the faith if we don't address it?

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So we have to, but yes, we must faithfully proclaim and exegete the

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Word of God. Yes, and liberals for a long time have been rightly angry for pulpits in this country that for centuries were silent about the sins of racism and today, since the

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Black Lives Matter movement and the social justice warrior movement are racist to the core and is a prevalent sin that exists around us, we cannot remain silent now about it.

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Doesn't that make perfect sense? It makes perfect sense. We have to speak to it.

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We have to defend the faith. We have to protect the sheep. And again, as Calvin said, you have two voices.

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One is to gather the sheep, the other is to run the wolves off, and we need to run the wolves off.

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We need to actually name the names of the individuals within denominations and pulpits who are writing and who are basically dividing the church and promoting a false

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Gospel. We must do this. Amen. Well, I want to remind our listeners of the websites that are crucial to getting in contact with Pastor Bice, praisemill .com,

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p -r -a -y -s -mill .com and also g3min .org,

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g3min .org and g3conference .com, g3conference .com.

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I hope to see as many of you as possible this September 30th through October 2nd in Atlanta, Georgia at the

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G3 Conference 2021. I want to thank you so much, Pastor Josh, for being such a superb guest as you always are.

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I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater