March 18, 2021 Show with Josh Buice on “Black Lives Matter as a Radical Terrorist Organization”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday on

this 18th day of March 2021.

And I'm thrilled to have back on the program one of my favorite guests.

His name is Josh Bice and he is the pastor of Praise Mill Baptist Church of Douglasville,

Georgia, and he's also the founder and president of G3 Ministries.

Today we are going to be addressing a very controversial theme, Black Lives Matter as a radical

terrorist organization, and why pastors are called to protect the church

from social justice.

We'll also be announcing the upcoming G3 Conference 2021 and it's my honor and

privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Josh Bice.

Chris, always good to be with you.

Always great to have you on the program, Pastor Josh.

And before we go into the subject at hand, why don't you tell our listeners something about Praise Mill Baptist Church of

Douglasville, Georgia.

Sure, we're a 179 -year -old Baptist Church located just west of the city of Atlanta.

I grew up here as well as my wife in the context of our local church.

We met here, married here, and were sent out from this church to seminary and

eventually pastoral ministry.

And in God's providence, we were called home after serving out of state for seven years

in the context of this local church where we grew up as children.

So I just finished a decade of ministry here last year, last August, and so a

privilege to serve this body of Christ here locally

that nurtured us and cared for us as children.

So yeah, just an honor and a privilege.

Praise God.

And tell us about G3 Ministries.

I am so excited that this coming September 30th through the 2nd of

October, it will be my fourth G3 conference where I'll be manning an exhibitor's

booth for Iron Trumpets Iron Radio.

I just have always loved the fellowship and the experience and hearing the preachers

and seeing the preachers and meeting new folks that I've never met face -to

-face, many of whom were already listeners to my show, and also getting new listeners

to discover my show and doing on -site interviews, all kinds of great stuff.

Tell us about G3 Ministries.

Sure, Chris.

Yeah, so G3 Ministries was birthed out of the context of our local church here.

We started a conference in 2013 by the name of G3 Conference.

It was just a theology -based conference that was going to be a weekend event for local

pastors and local churches here in the Atlanta area.

We had no idea what God would do with the conference over the years.

It really just extensively over the first four years.

And we decided to do a 500th anniversary of the Reformation Conference

in 2017, so we moved to the convention for one year with all intentions to come back,

really, to our local church campus.

But it was during that time of just explosive growth that we became convinced that we would

literally tell thousands of people that they could not come to the next conference if we decided to do that.

So after making a decision, we decided to stay at the convention center.

Over the course of years, really, God grew G3 Conference.

And so now it's become G3 Ministries, and we have transitioned a bit.

We've changed the dynamics of the ministry so that we're not just

a producing ministry.

So we're going to seek to produce a church -based curriculum and media that will impact local churches

and be tooled.

So we're going to have our national conference.

And then we've also moved to a biennial rotation.

So we're going to have our national conference every other year, but regional events,

cities.

So, yeah, we're really excited about what God has done, and he gets all of the glory for all of it.

Amen.

And I have loved all four of the occasions, as I said,

being at the G3 Conference, which were all at the Georgia International Convention Center.

But this year, the location, although it remains in Atlanta, Georgia, will be on

Andrew Young International Boulevard.

Tell us about the new venue.

Yeah.

So the new venue is in the heart of the city by

the airport.

We've moved to downtown Atlanta right next to the Mercedes Stadium in Centennial Park.

The weather in Atlanta.

Being able to come out of the sessions and have all of the amenities

surrounding the Pilatus

Walk to the Centennial Park.

Lots of things to do with your family.

It's a family -focused conference.

So we have pastors' wives, their children,

family -focused attendees who are coming with their children.

So it's going to be a really good move for the conference.

We believe it's going to be an extremely important.

New families are coming.

This will enable them to spend more time together and be able to enjoy that conference

atmosphere and be able to take in other amenities there in the city as well.

So we're really looking forward to the move.

Amen.

Well, I'm looking forward to it as well.

And it will be great.

As much as I have such fond memories of being at the Georgia International Convention Center, it's going to be

a lot much more to look forward to with so many more opportunities and choices and options

for different restaurants and other things to do recreationally during conference

breaks and before and after conferences and so on.

And as always, the G3 Conference has the longest and

most magnificently impressive and mind -blowing roster of speakers

that any conference that I've ever been privileged to attend has

ever had.

We've got this year, in 2021, Stephen Lawson speaking,

Vody Baucom, Paul Washer, John MacArthur, my guest today, Josh Bice,

Anthony Mathenia.

And for those of you who are not familiar yet with Anthony, he happens to be Paul Washer's pastor.

Hensworth Jonas, who is one of the most powerful preachers on the planet Earth,

I am not exaggerating.

Many people probably are unfamiliar with Hensworth Jonas.

He's a Reformed Baptist pastor in the East Caribbean, and he has

preached at the church where I am a member, Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

I've also seen and heard him preach at the Banner of Truth conferences.

He is just extraordinary.

I'm so glad that you have included him.

And Justin Peters, and Joel Beeky, and Phil Johnson, and my dear friend, James

White, and the list goes on and on and on.

It's amazing, it is truly amazing that you can manage getting all of these men to preach at

one conference.

Yeah, by God's grace, Chris, over the years, we've developed these friendships with these brothers, and

these are my friends.

These are not just men that we want to platform, although we want to platform these men because we believe that their voices

are needful today, as well as Conrad of Bayway, David Miller, Daryl Harrison, Virgil Walker.

These guys faithfully defending the faith and preaching the gospel,

so it's a privilege to have them at the conference, but it's even more of a privilege to call them friends.

And so, yeah, grateful for their earnestness in the faith.

And to explain a little bit further, Christ the Supreme over all,

tell us about that theme.

We couldn't have a better theme for this conference, Chris.

I mean, when you think about all of the heretics and all of the heresies, historically,

always putting that we want to

spend a weekend, and what better time than after a year -long confusing

season of politics and identity politics, the idea of the

pandemic, and all that's been facing the Church to be able to come together for a

weekend focused on preach, biblical Christology, and to be

able to uphold the doctrine of Christ, and to be able to preach on the

supremacy of Christ, and the magnificence of Christ, and to be able to talk

about the sovereignty of Christ, various issues from theology

proper all the way through the preaching of Christ, and all of it, just

saturating our hearts and minds through the preaching and the singing for an entire weekend, so we're just

thrilled, and we can't wait for this.

Me too.

I'd like you to answer a criticism that I've heard, not of the G3 conference,

but I have heard over the years people complain about the whole

conference phenomenon, and I've heard people say, oh, I'm conferenced out, I'm sick of

conferences, and my first reaction is, well, stay home.

I happen to thank God that I have always been a

member of a church.

I got saved in a church on Long Island, New York, where my pastor, although he was very

careful, and very serious, serious as a heart attack, about who he allowed to

ascend into his pulpit, at the same time, he was not greedy with his

pulpit.

I know pastors, I've met pastors over the years, that they don't want guest speakers

to come to preach for their congregations, and I can't help but think that they are worried that

their guest speakers are going to show them up with their theological knowledge, their biblical knowledge, or

something, but my pastors have always been men that

shared their pulpits generously, always with the finest

of Christian scholars, theologians, and just gifted pastors,

who have always been a blessing to me, personally, and that really helped me

throughout my years, since the 1980s till the present, helped me grow as a Christian,

I think it helps prevent an isolation from

other insights that other gifted men of God may have into the scriptures, that your

own pastors may not have, and this is not a dig, or an insult to local pastors,

it's just that no man knows 100 of all of the

scriptures perfectly, and some just have better insights into specific areas, and

even at the G3 conference, you have some men that might know certain areas of the scriptures

in a superior way to others, and while the ones that may not

be as knowledgeable of the areas for instance, as James White might be,

James White might be, not as researched into

certain areas as Votie Balcombe may be, and on and on I could go, I mean, to me it's a very healthy thing, now obviously if somebody

is is abandoning their responsibility to gather with and

support their local church, you know, there's a problem there, if they're away too excessively or something, but

don't you think that obviously you do, because you have them, but how do you answer the

question why are you so caught up in conferences, and isn't this a

dangerous thing for the body of Christ, and all that kind of thing?

Yeah, it's a really good question, Chris.

First of all, I would state that we are absolutely committed to the local church, so G3

Ministries is a ministry for the local church, and we would never encourage people to just be

conference junkies, just going from one conference to the next to the next.

In fact, over the years, I've had the privilege to speak into people's lives that have

approached me at the G3, they've talked to me about, you know, just being a part of, you know, the

church in the universal sense, but not necessarily in the local sense, because they

couldn't find a church that they wanted to join, or they were, you know, in between

churches for long periods of time, and they were just sort of trying to sustain themselves through conferences,

and, you know, I push back on that.

You need to be committed to a local church for the glory of God.

The local church is God's will for our lives individually, and so God didn't save us so that we

could sit at Starbucks and listen to YouTube and find, you know, Conrad and Bayway or Paul Washer or

James White and listen to them, or John MacArthur or whoever else it might be.

He did not save us so that we could listen to the G3 app at Starbucks or a coffee

shop.

He saved us, and he's called us to identify with Christ publicly through the waters of

baptism, and then also to identify with a local body of Christ, and as we covenant

together, we sharpen one another, we encourage one another, we love one another, we hold one another

accountable, and then we're submissive to leaders who are overseeing and seeking to shepherd us for

the glory of God.

And so, yeah, I would reject the idea of

just a

faithful member of a local church growing in grace.

It's like this could be, you meet new friends, you come across new tools

for ministry, for your family, for family worship,

for church, literature, and by the way,

attending a conference in person is far different than just simply watching it on a live stream.

Light years different.

Yeah, so I would just say the difference is, you know, people that have never learned of

Iron Sharpens Iron come to a conference like G3, and they walk through the exhibit hall, and they meet

you, and they learn about your wonderful radio program, and they're able to then start listening

to you, and then they come across other individuals and scholars

and theologians and preachers that you interview.

So I would say that's just one example that I would use.

So the exhibit hall and the bookstore and all of that that happens in that space,

you can't get that by sitting at home and just taking in a couple of sessions on a live stream.

Amen, and I am so glad that you frequently invite my favorite

preacher of all time, Dr. Conrad Mbewe.

You have had him on the roster many times at the G3 conference, and I just love it.

I've known Conrad personally since 1995.

In fact, I was present at the very first American worship service

where he preached in 1995.

He was a visiting preacher from Africa

Lusaka, Zambia pastor of Kobwata Baptist Church in Lusaka, Zambia.

This is before he was Dr. Conrad Mbewe, and before African Christian University was launched, that he

helped to really get on its legs, along with Vodie Baucom.

Conrad and I have been dear friends ever since.

Had shared many meals together and many times a fellowship, and I had the opportunity at

the Deep South Founders Conference to finally meet his wife Felistus a number of years ago as well.

I just love this brother, because not only is he the most powerful preacher I've ever heard, but he's

also one of the most humble and gracious and gentle and Christ -like

shepherds that I've ever met, and it's always a thrill.

All of your speakers have always been a great blessing to me.

By the way, folks, next Wednesday, tentatively, God

willing, Virgil Walker and Daryl Bernard Harrison will both be my guests on Iron Sharpens Iron

Radio.

They are two of the speakers on the roster of the G3 Conference, and

Virgil has picked next Wednesday as his preferred date, but he has to confer with

Daryl Bernard Harrison, because he'd like to do the interview with him, since they host a podcast together.

And so I just want my listeners to be aware that it is most likely going to be Wednesday, but it could be Monday or Tuesday,

depending upon Daryl Bernard Harrison's schedule.

But I just want to thank you and everybody at Praise Mill Baptist Church who is

involved in these conferences and now, of course, Virgil Walker

is the what is his exact title?

Director of Operations?

He's the Executive Director of Operations, that's right.

Yes, and I want to thank him as well for having a phenomenal lineup and a phenomenal conference

awaiting us in this fall, from September 30th to October

2nd.

And for more information, you can go to G3Conference .com G3Conference

.com.

You can also go to the new website G3Min .org

G3Min .org.

That's G3 M -I -N .org.

And the three is always the number, it's never the word in the website.

And also for those of you who want to find out more about Praise Mill Baptist Church if you happen to be

visiting Douglasville, Georgia perhaps you have family and friends and loved ones near there or

perhaps you're considering even moving there.

PraiseMill .com.

P -R -A -Y -S PraiseMill .com.

It's not spelt like you might think.

It's not P -R -A -I -S -E.

It's P -R -A -Y -S Mill .com.

And I know you've repeated yourself many times with the reason why you call it that It had to do with the

original owner of the land was a man named Pray, am I correct?

That's right.

The official name has an apostrophe in there, P -R -A -Y -S.

And it's because Ephraim Pray donated the land and helped the

church.

And so they named it after his mill because he had a sawmill and he donated the

lumber that went into building the building.

There was a schoolhouse during the week and it was.

Well, I am looking forward to our theme today even though

a part of me is not looking forward to it because it's a horrible it's a horrible phenomenon.

That is one of those issues that has crept

into not just leftist apostate

mainline dead churches it has even more tragically

unexpectedly crept into and even dominated formally

theologically sound doctrinally reformed

just wonderful congregations and denominations that have now become polluted

with this whole area of Black Lives Matter of social justice

warrior -ism of all kinds of things that go under the

umbrella of the woke movement.

It is such a tragedy that I have even interviewed men on this program

who as little as nine years ago were totally

impressing me and having me repeatedly say amen amen and praise God

because they were so biblically astute and right on the money theologically

even on the areas of racial prejudice and bigotry

and so on and even mocking and warning about some of these crazy

ideas that would be under the umbrella of the woke movement.

That they are now.

Supporting that they are now promoting that they are now the lead figures

in that genre and it's just so disturbing we're going to be addressing as I already announced

when we come back from the first break Black Lives Matter as a radical terrorist organization

and why pastors are called to protect the church from social justice.

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This is Chris Arnzen, if you just tuned in to Iron Trumpet's Iron Radio, our guest today for the full two hours is Josh

Bice, pastor of Praise Mill Baptist Church in Douglasville, Georgia, and also founder and

president of G3 Ministries, which will be running the G3 Conference

coming up September 30th through October 2nd in Atlanta, Georgia.

We are discussing Black Lives Matter as a radical terrorist organization and why pastors are

called to protect the church from social justice.

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Pastor Josh, the Black Lives Matter movement and organization

interestingly and I think even brilliantly created a

name for itself which would automatically leave someone in the

awkward position, if they are indeed opposed to this movement, by saying they

disagree with Black Lives Matter, making it sound as if you are a racist from the get -go.

But tell us about Black Lives Matter.

I know that it may sound like a ridiculous question to ask at this point in time, since you have to be living in a cave

not to have heard of it, but obviously there are many people who still misunderstand it, don't really

know who founded it, don't know what the real agenda is.

And let us know why you do not believe you are overstretching, that you are not using

hyperbole, or you are not slandering these folks by saying they are a radical terrorist organization.

Yeah Chris, so Black Lives Matter is an organization that was really

founded back in 2013, and it was the

controversial George Zimmerman

trial that followed the death of Trayvon Martin.

And so after, and many people may remember, after the Zimmerman trial,

it was, or through the trial you might say,

it was discovered that when the evidence was presented, that

these six jurors were given three options.

They could either find George Zimmerman guilty of

murder, or they could find him guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter,

or they could find him not guilty at all.

So these six jurors, after 16 hours of deliberation, looking at the

Herman, that as tragic as this story might be, that you have this young man named

Trayvon Martin who was actually killed by a gunshot from George

Zimmerman, on the facts of the case, and based on the evidence that was presented to

them in a court of law, they found George Zimmerman not guilty.

And of course we remember the eruption of emotional response that took place.

An organization that was

formed by, you know, trained Marxists,

Black Lives Matter, created for the purpose of

responding to that.

Now, in their original founding documents, or the documents that were presented online and

on their website, originally stated that it was an organization that was for Trayvon

Martin.

And to that, you can see right off the

bat, it was a

very controversial case.

Lots of emotion, lots of response.

As a result, now what you have is you have gained momentum.

Of course you have Trayvon Martin's situation.

Recently, you've

had this organization that's been built as an organization that

actually is advocating for being treated

or abused, or it's advocating for.

But really what Black Lives Matter organization as a whole is interested in doing,

this organization, had

this idea of them saying

that George Zimmerman got away with murder.

Citing emotional response for

using the

hashtag,

and again, you use the hashtag and you

say Black Lives Matter, which Christians should all agree that Black Lives do matter?

Promoting the organization as a whole.

And I would say, yes you are.

Better way, if you will, Black Lives do matter.

Because they do matter.

If you look at the situation and how Black Lives Matter,

it really just postulates one of

the things that's stated on its website previously was this.

It stated the following, We disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family

structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and villages

that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children,

the methodology of the

post -modern idea of people.

And so these trained Marxists, the founders of Black Lives Matter, they're interested in really.

Yes, and it is really sickening

and sinister and slanderous.

No intentional using of the three S's there.

That everybody in the world, it seems, outside and now unfortunately,

in many cases, inside the church, the charge of

racism is thrown out even when a certain incident or circumstance

has absolutely nothing to do with bigotry or racial hatred

or discrimination over one's skin color or ethnic origin.

In order to basically render the accused of

being evil in the eyes and ears of all who hear and

see the news about whatever occurrence those in the Black Lives

Matter movement and their allies want to bring into the public

eye.

I remember just recently, I had the privilege of seeing our mutual friend, Dr. Votie Balcom,

preach here in Pennsylvania.

He actually conducted a conference on critical race theory, which was absolutely mind -blowing.

It was utterly superb.

And I will try to get that information into the hands of my listeners as soon as I know

where the videos or audio tapes can be

gotten.

But Dr. Balcom, during his entire conference,

he would occasionally, in between giving us some shocking news

from horrible information, details, facts, about this whole matter,

he would take the little jingle from a children's movie, I think it was a

Legos movie, where apparently there was a song, I haven't seen it, but apparently there was a song

that his children have been singing ever since seeing it in their home.

Everything is awesome, awesome, awesome.

And Dr. Balcom would change the words and insert them at

poignant parts into the conference.

Everything is racist, racist, racist.

Everything is racist.

Because it seems as if everything that is wrong with

the world today, everything that is wrong with mankind, everything that is wrong with those

that have an ideology outside of leftism and Marxism, it doesn't even matter what color you

are.

You could be a black person and you are still an anti -black racist if you disagree with them.

This has really reached the point of utter insanity, hasn't it?

It has.

It's just the idea of race itself.

I mean, if you just look at their website and you see how they use the term race, and really that's become

common language in our culture, racism.

Again, I prefer the term race is the

fact that it's a modern social,

this idea that there is a multiplicity of races instead of one human race.

And so the idea is intended to divide us, always keep us divided, keep us divided

by groups and then

subcontinuously dividing us.

But when we read and look at life through the lens of scripture, we see in Genesis chapter

1 created one human race.

When we look at the world as Christians, we should see one human race.

A multitude, but one human race created

in the image and likeness of God.

That idea of the Imago Dei should be something that we as Christians reject

this idea of always being divided.

And so this is why I say that Black Lives Matter is not about unity.

It's not about building unity in our cities,

but dividing us and always dividing us.

And we always need to see it that way.

We need to understand that if we want real, genuine unity, we have

to, in

fact, I want to quote Virgil Walker here.

I think this is extremely important.

Earlier, the executive director of G3

Ministries, Black Lives Matter, and the

whole is regarding Black Lives Matter.

The BLM organization, no way to

advance the BLM cause.

Now that's an extremely important statement by Virgil because what he's stating,

Black Lives Matter is not unity and justice as they claim it is.

Divide us and always to incite emotional hatred.

Be fighting, and if we can continuously fight, because at the end

of the day, Black Lives Matter is really about making money.

They brought in $90 million

of money to Black Lives Matter to fund them.

Airbnb gave them $500 ,000.

Gave them $500 ,000.

Their checkbook

to this

organization.

Interested in dividing us and keeping us divided so that they can continue their agenda,

which is really about control.

They really want to control us.

Yes, and it is itself racism or

hatred of white heterosexual males, basically.

It is the very thing they are claiming to be opposing,

claiming to be at war with.

They are champions of it.

Sometimes when you hear the rhetoric, you have to take a double

take and look again.

Yes, this is a black person who is saying these things, but it sounds like it's from the Ku Klux Klan handbook.

It is utterly amazing, isn't it?

It is amazing.

The logic was that often anyone who is standing against this

radical social justice movement, we would never celebrate anything like the death of Trayvon Martin or the

death of Michael Brown or the death of George Floyd.

These are all tragic, tragic stories.

It should break our hearts when an individual, even if he is engaging in lawless behavior,

if he acts in such a way that

we all find that troubling.

It's a human depravity on planet Earth.

So troubling is that when you see Black Lives Matter as a hashtag, continuing

to energize, if you will, the mobs

that were taking place in 2020 in response to George Floyd, Black Lives Matter was

celebrating this lawlessness.

When people were poor of

spitting

upon them and even killing them in the name of Black Lives Matter and hashtag defund the

police, they were celebrating this.

And yet, if they were oppressed, they would denounce lawless behavior.

But in many ways, you could see that they were not denouncing the riot.

They were claiming that that was a right of the people to have this emotional response.

Even businesses that were owned by Black people, businesses that employed Black people.

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Before I go to any of the listener questions that have come in, Pastor Josh, you were right in the middle of

saying before the midway break that very tragically

and ironically, it is often black people themselves and other

minorities who are hurt the most from the activities of Black Lives Matter and the woke movement.

Isn't that right?

That's right, Chris.

Back at the events that happened after the George Floyd tragedy, what we find is

that Black Lives Matter, as a half -promoting lawless

behavior against,

and it doesn't really make sense

to the details of this organization and you see what they

said the idea of division,

animosity, victim, a multi -million dollars.

Let's just think about this, this one reality.

When we think

about the CDC data,

it

exceeded

all 25 .1, 0 .7, 0 .8 times the white

abortion rate.

And so the question would become this, where is Black Lives Matter?

And yet if you just look at the issue

of family, this idea of the

mob rule mentality in the name of,

support the idea of the woman's right to choose if she wants.

So I would consider this organization, instead of being a peaceful organization looking to bring about unity

and peace and justice.

Yes, and I'm going to recommend to our listeners a fascinating documentary.

I've recommended this documentary many times on my show.

I don't know if you've even heard of it or watched it, Pastor Josh, but it's called

MAAFA 21, M -A -A, F as in Frank, A, 21.

MAAFA is a Swahili word for genocide.

And it is a documentary predominantly featuring black

hosts and speakers who are decrying the

horrible genocide of black babies that is occurring in the United States

through abortion.

And it traces the roots of the abortion movement and even

further in the past before Margaret Sanger and so on.

And it is interesting that even Planned Parenthood has finally admitted that Margaret Sanger was a

racist after many years of them and leftists ignoring that fact.

They just couldn't do it anymore.

Margaret Sanger was indeed a racist who intended to wipe blacks off the face of the earth

through enforced sterilization.

And then later Planned Parenthood extended that to the murdering of children in the womb,

all because of eugenics being the basis for this.

But it's a fascinating documentary because it even shows how even the leftists

and Marxists of the 50s and 60s earlier on in

the 20th century, they recognized this, those that were

black militant groups like the Black Panthers and even a notable celebrity

comedian, Dick Gregory, they knew that abortion was intended to get rid of

black folks.

And it is utterly amazing, isn't it?

How successful the left has been at brainwashing the

populace into removing that whole element from

the abortion issue.

Isn't it just amazing, astounding how successful they have been deceiving the populace?

Oh yeah, absolutely.

I mean, it's a tragedy when you think about the number of black lives that are lost by

abortion.

Any life lost in abortion is a tragedy.

The fact that you have organizations like Black Lives Matter and other organizations like

Planned Parenthood that supposedly is advocating for women and women's rights.

Think about how many women die in the womb, little young girls, little young

dying in the womb as a result of Planned Parenthood.

And then you have Black Lives Matter who's advocating for

the rights of black people to be able to go out and abort these babies.

And again, talking about justice, what about justice for these little babies, these little black babies that are

dying?

And we should be outraged by this.

We should be absolutely outraged.

And then the idea that they continue to press this divisive agenda.

Listen to what Thomas Sowell once stated.

In his book, Discrimination and Disparities, he said the following.

What can any society today hope to gain by having newborn babies in that society enter

the world as heirs to prepackaged grievances against other babies born into that

same society on the same...

If you can continue to keep

black neighborhoods and encourage them to hate their white neighbor and look

to them as the oppressor and look to themselves as the oppressed, what you're going to

do is you're going to continue to have this emotional hatred.

It continues.

The gospel you preach as well, Chris.

And what we want to do is we want to continue to...

It's not through the lens of social justice that we're going to find unity.

The gospel of Jesus Christ that we're going to find unity.

And that's why when you look at Galatians 3 and you see this idea of Jew and Gentile, male and

female, bond and free, coming together, how?

Manufactured unity called social justice.

Social justice never accomplishes unity.

So we need to point that out for what it is.

I mean, if you just look at Black Lives Matter, for instance.

Back in 2020, they ran a campaign, hashtag WhatMatters2020.

And listen to what it stated.

It stated, quote, 2020 is a

campaign aimed to maximize the impact of the BLM movement by galvanizing

power accountable for the

issues that systemically,

and the idea

is they would be looking at abortion,

they would be looking

at other issues

that are

white, 25 are

black.

The Manhattan Institute has written the following.

She stated, quote, more

likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police

officer, end quote.

So when you just look at the stats, Chris, I mean, abortion is killing off far more

black babies.

So we just need to be honest.

If Black Lives Matter as an organization cared in the slightest degree about the

actual lives of black people, they would be outraged.

Yes, they would.

And by the way, folks, I want to plug the website of MAAFA21.

It's such an outstanding documentary.

Go to M as in Michael, A, A, F as in Frank, A, 21, the numbers, 21

.com.

M, A, A, F, A, 21 .com.

And Josh quoted Thomas Sowell a moment ago.

Got to keep in mind, Thomas Sowell is a black man, and he is truly a genius,

an American economist, social theorist, and senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.

He's 90 years old and still as sharp as a tack.

You can find out more about Thomas Sowell at TSowell .com, and Sowell is spelled S -O -W

-E -L -L .com.

That's TSowell .com.

And we have a listener.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, who asks

you, unless we get charged with throwing out the baby

with the bathwater, is there anything coming from the left, from sincere

but misguided people, that is correct about this whole racial issue?

That's a really good question.

I would simply state the population,

and there is a real thing called racism in this world that we live in.

And we need to recognize that there is

systemic problems that face the black population.

But what we need to recognize is that there's not holistic,

systemic by the white

population seeking to hold back the black population.

That is not at all what's happening across political lines or even across economic spheres

or within the educational and university systems or even

within evangelical denominations.

When we look at this, and then we need to

ask a second question, what's the solution?

And I think that the Black Lives Matter organization gets

both movement as a whole, gets the source and the solution wrong.

I think, for instance, that every disparity that you see the

black population in America facing is a direct

slave trade of America, a

false narrative, and it must be rejected.

We need to ask the question about the breakdown of the family.

What happened in the 1960s with the welfare system when you had the black population that had

an illegitimacy rate of 25 in the 60s, and now it's presently

75

We played into the increase of that number,

encouraging women to not marry, and the more children that

she had as a result, she was being rewarded

for that misconduct and for that lack of marriage and the

breakdown of the family.

And so we just need to ask honest questions about dropout rates and

about all of these disparities, but I think it's a tragedy to point the finger

at white people and say white people are to blame for it.

And so as a result, we need to pay reparations, and we need to

try to do disparities and take responsibility for it.

I think that it's responsible for their own

discouraging this ongoing idea of victory.

It will only increase the problem, and it will only increase the divide.

It will never create unity.

We have an anonymous listener who asks, I know that all the folks

who have been involved in the G3 conference, including yourself, have been

conservative complementarians, but you have allowed women in the past to speak.

I was wondering what your justification is for that, and if it's just a coincidence that

this year there doesn't seem to be any women on the lineup.

Yeah, yeah, that's a really good question.

I appreciate the question, in fact, and I'm happy to answer it.

Almost in every walk in from

my friend

speaking,

and I was over in the mill room having a meal at the time of her session starting,

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She's getting ready to start.

Can you come over?

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Yes, I know both of them, actually.

Yeah, I mean, the man is like 6 '10".

I mean, he's just a ten -year -old.

But nevertheless, who are in the room, go

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...women are

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And so, yeah, I mean, we try to police it.

We try to advertise it that way.

Those breakout sessions we're

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going

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But right now we have...

Now, does this mean you're mad at me because I sat in the audience during Rosaria Butterfield's lectures?

No, no, no, I'll just let you take that up with the Lord of the Day.

Well, I mean...

At the end of the day, brother.

Well, isn't there a difference between, though, a man voluntarily

sitting in the audience hearing a brilliant, godly woman speak, even if the

event was intended for women, and a church that has women in leadership and the function of a teacher

in mixed audiences?

Isn't there a difference?

Yeah, I would say that there is a difference, but I would also state

times in the past when we've had women, like, you know, give a testimony.

Rosaria Butterfield giving a testimony of her story of coming out of, you know, the

radical leftist agenda and homosexuality, and all of this.

Spending Scripture and standing there and teaching the Bible.

Yeah, so I would say we need to be cautious.

Organizers, platform individuals, and how we advertise those sessions, and we try to do that in a very careful way.

We have John in Bangor, Maine, who asks, Do you have any counsel

for Christians who are beginning to complain frequently about being victims themselves

because of the climate of the left being in power in so many places in the

world and in so many spheres of life?

Yeah, that's a really good question.

I think the problem with this idea of victimhood is

that, you know, this idea of,

and it keeps us divided.

In fact, the message of social justice and what I would call within evangelicalism, the grievance gospel,

states that you're a victim, so you deserve to be paid.

But yet, if you read the Bible and you read it,

it doesn't teach us that we're victims that deserve to be paid.

It teaches us that we're sinners who deserve to be paid.

If we look at ourselves through the lens of the gospel, we deserve

nothing more than the free gift

of eternal life that is given to us through Jesus Christ, our Lord.

And it's the gospel that teaches us that God's Son came to die

for condemnation and who did not deserve mercy, who did not deserve justification, but

we are given grace.

So the idea of the social justice movement is to keep us, you know, divided,

and encourage this mentality of an ongoing grief

of nothing but divide.

If we continue to allow that sort of narrative to play its way out in culture, then every time we walk

out the doors and go out into a business establishment or go out into the park in our cities, then

when we look at people, the first thing we see is skin color rather than seeing a human being.

So I think they continuously have this mentality.

It incurs gravity.

It makes them feel like, well, they have all of the hardships of

life and they've been oppressed, and so they can just be lazy and not really take responsibility for their

own actions.

I think that on this,

or whether it be, we don't need to be

allowing the social justice agenda to just continuously divide us by this victimhood

culture.

And wouldn't you say that all this depends, because Christians are today not

like they are in the Sudan and in China and other places where the

persecution of Christians or against Christians is horrific, nightmarish,

brutal.

People are actually being tortured and murdered in various places of the world.

We're not there, but we are being persecuted as Christians and we are victims to an

extent in different realms of life.

But the difference is, as far as I know, at least those that are

biblically sound and sane individuals who would be a

representation of the Christian faith, Christians are not by and large demanding

special rights, whereas those in other situations that are

claiming victimhood in the left or on the left are

indeed claiming special rights.

And they're actually claiming reparations and things from people who are

not guilty of actually stealing anything from them or treating...

You know, you have white people that may have immigrated to the United States long after slavery existed

here who are being treated as if they had plantations themselves.

And in essence, they're being slandered for things that they never did.

Am I right?

Oh, you're exactly right.

And this idea of...

Again, it's the wrong view of life.

God doesn't owe us any life through the lens of the gospel.

Then we see a right view of who the world says...

And if you replace biblical justice with eventually replacing Jesus'

church, those are massive errors.

And then furthermore, to your point about immigration, white immigration coming over long after the slave trade ended, I

mean, you have people today that are continuously using that language of African American.

And all that idea, that descriptor, African American, how do you know that the person

is from Africa?

How do you know their ancestors are from Africa?

You don't know that.

And so this was something that Jesse Jackson and others within the Civil Rights Movement years ago used

as a tool to continuously divide white people from black people and to

encourage this idea of victimhood.

Because if you can make people look at a black person, a person with black skin, an African

American, what you're intended to do is to make us think their

ancestors came over on the slave ships.

And white people draw into the

narrative if you read a right view of history.

It's not an accurate narrative.

I think we need to move away from the African American language and we need to move away from the usage of

racism and talk about ethnic prejudice rather than racism.

We need to understand the power of words and the baggage of these words and what they're

intended to do.

Yes, and I don't know what she is saying or believing today, but even a leftist like

Whoopi Goldberg used to be very opposed to being

called an African American and she refused to identify herself that way at least at one time.

I don't know what she's saying today.

But it's interesting, isn't it?

How the ideology has changed so much on the left

where you see the stark contrast between liberalism and leftist totalitarianism.

Liberals and conservatives who are actually godly, not all conservatives, but those that were

biblically moral used to teach the virtue and the importance of

being colorblind.

And that is viewing someone and treating them

because of how they behave the content of their character

and not the color of their skin.

Stealing from Martin Luther King Jr.'s famous speech.

Now that is considered racist.

We are not to be colorblind.

We are supposed to be very aware of the color of people around us

and treat people of different melanin contents and their skin

differently.

Isn't that just utterly amazing?

It is utterly amazing.

It really is.

And again, that's the typical playbook of the social justice agenda is just to keep us

divided.

But if you think about it, even like you mentioned Martin Luther King Jr., he has a famous

quote that's oftentimes used.

And that quote is this.

He said, it is appalling that the most segregated hour of Christian America is 11

o 'clock on Sunday.

Now, you have people within the Southern Baptist like Ed Stetzer and others, to

name names,.

And Russell Moore.

They encourage this idea that if you're going to be a really healthy church, you're going to be a

diverse church.

And what they mean by that is that you're going to have a

black membership and

representing the black.

But it's interesting, isn't it?

It's against the quote unquote white church.

But rarely do you, if ever, do you hear that language of that quote by Martin Luther King Jr. used,

it's always the white church, never the black church,

more white members.

Yes, a dear friend of ours.

Go ahead, I'm sorry.

No, no, I was just saying it's just this unbalanced critique.

And furthermore, I don't like the language of black church and white church.

I think that the church of Jesus Christ should be called the church, period.

You don't have to call it the white church or the white church or the black church.

Call it the church.

Amen.

And yet Christ, as brothers and sisters in Christ.

I have a very dear friend who is now in heaven, Dr. Robert J. Cameron, a black

Orthodox Presbyterian pastor, who at my urging back in the

early 90s wrote a book on racism in the church.

And one of the most major publishers of Christian books in the world,

sent a rejection letter to him and they thanked him for the manuscript

and they said, this is the finest unsolicited manuscript we have ever

received in our history of publishing.

But we, however, regret that we do not feel comfortable publishing this book because

in addition to criticizing white Christians for the sin of racism, you also

critique blacks for the same sin.

And we are not comfortable at this time doing that.

Can you imagine that?

Because he was teaching the universality of the sin of racism.

Yeah, I mean, and that's tragic.

And to the point, Chris, we can sit

and talk about the Black Lives Matter organization and talk about the problems of that

organization all day long and most people are going to agree with us.

Most Christians are going to agree with us.

When you start talking about the issues of social justice and

evangelicalism today, and that's where you're going to have a massive divide.

And I think it's time for pastors to recognize that they're calling.

They're calling as a pastor.

One of the qualifications in Titus chapter 1 of an elder is that they are to be able to defend

upsetting families and teaching shameful...

If you're unwilling to defend Jesus' church

against this ideology, theory, and intersection

imported into evangelicalism, you just resign from your post as a pastor.

Calvin, who actually said it this way years ago, he said, a pastor needs two voices, one for gathering the sheep and the other

for driving away wolves.

And see, you need to be able to be honest.

It doesn't matter how popular the social justice agenda is.

It doesn't matter how powerful...

We need to stand against...

Amen, and we have to go to our final break.

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And Pastor Josh Bice, the theme of the conference once again is Christ is

supreme over all.

Isn't the inclusion of this whole Black Lives Matter and social justice warrior

stuff into the body of Christ?

Is that not stripping Christ himself of his rightful place of preeminence in the church?

Absolutely.

One of the things we want to do is speak to that very issue at this conference and point people to their

hope in Christ and biblical unity that comes, not manufactured

unity, by the way.

You can manufacture unity by the fear of the soul.

Genuine, real unity comes in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Amen.

And, you know, how do we as Christians, what counsel as a

pastor do you have for us?

How do you...

Go ahead, I'm sorry.

No, no.

I was just going to say the

grievance mentality to the socialists

facing the need to recognize that people,

they need to be fed.

The word of God.

And yet, at the same time, they need to be told how to face these issues

that they're hearing about on the news in the evening or reading in the newspaper or seeing played out in their

communities.

And so I think pastors need to speak to this.

Right now, presently, I'm preaching a four -week series on Christ and culture.

We finished Romans.

Now we're headed into this series.

And then after that, we're going to dive into Luke's gospel.

These issues to help equip our church to be able to stand firm in this age of confusion.

So be patient.

In time, preach the word faithfully and defend the faith.

Now, we have an excellent question from a listener, Susan Margaret in Dauphin County,

Pennsylvania, who says, how do you respond to the critique, even from conservative Reform brothers

and sisters, that would say, we are to hear the gospel preached from the pulpit and

we are to hear the Bible exegeted.

To introduce things like Black Lives Matter and a whole host of other issues that are more political

into the preaching of the gospel is diluting the gospel and therefore should not be present.

How do you respond to that charge?

Well, I think our calling as pastors is to preach the word and to, at the same time, apply the word of

God to our modern -day audience.

Facing in our culture, it would be an absolute sin to remain silent on these

matters.

People are absolutely confused.

We have people right now that are flooding into our church, presently here in our local congregation, who are

just dissatisfied with the reality that their pastors are just on

these massive and see

what the Bible says on these matters.

And if you have a social justice agenda that's actually attacking the gospel,

we need to remember what Paul said to the church of Galatia, if we are an angel from heaven, and should preach any other gospel than

that which I have preached unto you, then let him be a curse

against these false teachings.

And by the way, the social justice agenda is a false gospel.

How are we going to defend the faith if we don't address it?

But yes, we must faithfully proclaim and exegete.

Yes, and liberals, for a long time, have been rightly

angry for pulpits in

this country that for centuries were silent about the sins of racism.

And today, since the Black Lives Matter movement and the social justice warrior

movement are racist to the core, and is a prevalent sin that exists around us, we

cannot remain silent now about it.

Doesn't that make perfect sense?

It makes perfect sense.

In the faith, we have to protect.

And again, as Calvin said, you have two voices.

One is to gather the sheep.

The other is to run the wolves off.

We need to actually name the names in the writing

and who are basically dividing the church and promoting a false gospel.

We must do this.

Amen.

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I hope to see as many of you as possible this September 30th through October 2nd in

Atlanta, Georgia at the G3 Conference 2021.

I want to thank you so much, Pastor Josh, for being such a superb guest as you always are.

I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner.