The Tragedy of Jake Meador - Good Faith Climate Change (part 4)

All right, all right. Let's let's get started. What I've decided to do is I'm gonna go right back to the good-faith debate. To continue, you know yesterday. I let Jake Meador have it a little bit just about his whole presentation style his whole, you know Anti-masculine appearance, you know voice everything.

And so, you know, and I think I think that's important. I'm not sorry for it. I would do it again I'll tell you that right now. I would definitely do it again. But I think that needs to be talked about because that's something that will never be talked about in a good-faith debate.

Absolutely. Never. This is not how a Christian man ought to present himself. It's just as simple as that but what I wanted to do is I wanted to get right back into it just so you could see how a Winsome guy who you know from from if you're going by his is his opening statement.

He's winsome, but he's not a pushover. So I'm very grateful for that I've heard a few things about Matson at this point that you know, make me wonder if you know How this cross-examination is gonna go I haven't seen it yet.

So we'll see. But you know again, I'm gonna give credit where credit is due. He did a great job in his opening statement. So we're gonna go right back into it. Just so you have an example of hopefully I mean, we'll see Hopefully a winsome example of how to refute Jake Meador's Presentation by the way, so many people in the comments, you know privately as well, you know.

They're they're noticing so many errors so many mistakes so many assumptions so so much awfulness of Jake Meador's opening statement and there there's so much it's just There again, there's there's so many ways to attack this, you know.

Some of I got to let some of it go. Otherwise, you know, this this video will be you know 20 parts instead of 10. But you're right everyone who's making these comments about his presentation there's just so much here that's un-christian it's it's unbelievable in any case.

Environmental Regulation, Free Markets, and the Knowledge Problem

Let's continue. Thank you, I appreciate it both of you. I'll I'll start with you Brian of one of the the main areas of Disagreement here seems to be the measure the degree to which we proactively address this problem and the role of the free market and the government in that process, so I come from the state of Florida and when my grandparents moved there in the 30s, which means we're in Orlando before there was a good reason to be in Orlando and Back, then the lakes were crystal-clear.

You could eat the fish in them. The the fishing all around the state was amazing. Now nobody would eat a bass out of a lake in central, Florida. The Estuaries around Canaveral or no longer have the vegetation they used to.

You wouldn't eat the fish there. Even the keys I can remember growing up as a kid and my dad would take me offshore and we would. We'd finish fishing some days when we filled up the boat. Now you go all day Hoping for one or two medium-sized fish because of the impact of commercial fishing in there.

So, you know. And then you add the sugar canes and sugarcane fields that block the water from the Everglades. The natural filtering process all that to say I Hear what you're saying. For me those issues feel like the free markets not helping.

So, how can you and I don't expect you to be an expert particularly on the waterways of Florida, Florida. But there but there are places where it feels like the the free market is doing the opposite.

What do you say to that? Well, I think that I'm not here to Deny the need for environmental regulation. I'm in fact, I'm happy to To defend the status quo of environmental regulation. I think that Jake is saying more needs to be done.

You know the the Environmental Protection Agency's share of the Federal Register this year's thirty thousand 246 pages. Yes. I took the opportunity to count Spread over so you can't say nothing's being done.

Spread over 37 bound volume. That's not low regulation unfettered lousy fair free market capitalism. I'm not at all against. I mean I'm from Montana and we have a long history of Industrial interest extracting our natural resources.

We're called the treasure state for a reason. People extract those treasures, right. And we have one of the largest Superfund sites in the country in Butte, Montana. I'm not against Stopping the tragedy of Butte, Montana and the Berkeley pit there at all.

So I'm not against regulation. The proactive part I think is is the is key to your question and that is Who has that insight? That forward-looking insight to say if we just craft these laws and these rules and and then the market will sort of Inhabit the natural legal paths that we have prefabricated.

I'm wondering who's wise enough to do that. Because that kind of central planning has all kinds of problems with it the knowledge problem. Um, how can one person or one committee or one group of experts?

Possibly know all of the factors that are going into things and so you have a knowledge problem there and I'm concerned about Central planning. I'm concerned about a state that has no restraints on it.

Jake Talked about conviviality and how the state and culture and economics and politics ought to all be friends. What he's leaving out is that only one of those groups has a monopoly on coercion and violence so that's a concern of mine that a state says to one industry that's Disfavored we're going to penalize you and reward our friends over here because we approve of what they're doing.

The state has the power to do that. And so No, I'm not a lousy fair don't know environmental regulations. I am concerned about how those policies get crafted. Is it a is it a cult of the expert who's just going to tell everybody how this is going to go that hasn't worked well in the past.

Or are there alternatives to that and I think that the that markets are Far more nimble than than many give them credit for Wow.

You know a lot of you people You have been with me for a long time, you know, I always get comments from people About you know, how long they've been watching the channel and it always just gives me a nice warm feeling it's it's really cool to to know that.

Some of you I mean not not all not all of you but some of you, you know have been Watching the channel probably I don't know at this point five years, you know more. I don't know. And Those of you who do know me know that I Interrupt the video a lot, you know, I'll interrupt to interject my two cents.

I'll even have some people that'll complain in the comment section, you know regularly you interrupt them too much. You know and and it's like well, you know, you could just watch the video their video, you know I mean you can find this video.

It's on it's on gospel coalition if you wanted to watch it. People watch this channel because they want to hear my my opinions my interruptions my interjections. But I I do think I might interrupt too much.

I mean, yeah, I think that there's some truth to that and I always work on it. But you know at the end of the day, it's just it's hard because of the kind of content that I watch. It's just like like like you guys you guys notice this.

There's like always like when a guy like Jake meator, you know gets to the mic. There's always like ten things a second that you could respond to and so, you know, it's just very difficult. Brian Mattson has accomplished something that Very few people have ever accomplished on this channel and He he had I kept my mouth shut for like four minutes straight.

I mean, I I didn't time it but my I didn't say a single word for like four minutes. Let me just out of respect. Hats off to you. I mean that was impressive. And and what's interesting is I I'm not sure I necessarily agreed with everything he said there.

But it was pretty good and and it's interesting. I mean it was interesting enough for me to keep my mouth shut. I Mean I I don't know. I I guess this is just this is just how the channel is now. No, but but he's right though, I mean, you know be being being pro free market solutions does it mean that there's no Regulations, of course, there are regulations.

I wouldn't necessarily want to agree with him, you know as far as defending the status quo I think of course there's some deregulation that needs to be done number one. But also, I mean we could certainly talk about, you know smart regulations and adding smart things.

As opposed to the the stupid things that we do. So I don't necessarily agree with that, but obviously I'll have to think through that. He didn't really give you any specific examples. He's just talking generally.

So, you know, it's hard to really truly disagree with him there, but there's probably some nuance. He's he's even got me using words like nuance. I mean Madsen Madsen. Seriously, if anyone knows him man, give him a give him a pat on the back for this one.

Anyway, but yeah, I mean, of course there there should be regulations and they should be certain types of regulations, you know, like like if if Acme corporation pours poison into the water supply and people die or have medical issues and things like that there should be a very kind of a Not draconian but but but a very serious Restitution that needs to be paid something that would be meaningful to Acme corporation.

But also would would make restitution for the people that they hurt and and and the thing is like if you do that enough the cost of doing bad things would be way too high for Acme corporation and they wouldn't.

They wouldn't do it anymore. They'd find another way to get rid of their industrial materials and things like that and and and and that's that's just I mean You know a smart business and if Acme wants to stay in business.

They wouldn't hurt people because the cost of hurting those people would be would be too high. You know, if you if you if it's found that your chemicals have killed somebody. Okay, well there's a certain penalty you didn't know your chemicals were gonna kill somebody.

But then if you don't change your recipe and you continue to use those chemicals and it kills somebody else. Well now we're talking about murder now. We're talking about you know, something with malice aforethought and God's law has much harsher penalties for that.

So the CEO of Acme corporation Knowingly putting a harmful chemical that killed somebody into his thing. He'd be paying the ultimate price for something like that. I mean, there's all kinds of ways we can use God's wisdom and God's law to regulate to to our To our to these kinds of issues, you know these kinds of things.

So, yeah, there's a there was a lot of good there. I mean, that's that's a common trope, you know that that. That you know free market people don't believe in any regulations and it's like it's it's so insane.

It's as if we have no regulations right now. No, we have a lot of regulations right now. A lot of them are too are stupid. But you know, some of them are smart and some of them are good and and it's just a very interesting thing.

And yeah that that whole thing of how like oh the culture and the and the law should should work together. I mean, well, yeah, that'd be nice. But at the end of the day though. Whether or not the culture wants to have illegal abortions, it should still be outlawed.

It should still be outlawed because it's murder and that's what God says and the civil governing authority is a servant of God. That's what the Bible says. Anyway, it's a servant of God and it should be executing justice on the evildoer.

You know, Jake meater here saying well, there's maybe other Justifiable purposes for a government, you know, you know and discipline and helping you love mother nature. And it's like well, that's not the Bible says the Bible says that the civil government governing authority is a revenger of God a deacon Of God and it's there to execute vengeance the vengeance of God Upon the evildoer, that's what the Bible says.

You know, I know Jake has other ideas, but the Bible says that that's what it's there for. So anyway, let's let's hear Jake's response by the way He he went right at Jake. He went right at him and I got to be honest.

That's again. That's a rarity in these good-faith debates. I am very impressed.

Climate Models, Expert Consensus, and the Cult of Fear

I Want to get Jake's response to that. But I want to add a second part to the question because you made a compelling case Brian about China and you know, we can do all the good in the world here. But you know looking at the other side of the world.

It's not changing anything. And in fact in many ways, it's getting worse. So how would you respond to what he said and add the element that even if we do?

Yeah, I don't really see the need to add that element because I know what he's gonna say.

Worth it when on the other side of the world, it's not going very well. Yeah, so.

One of the big questions concerns incentives and. So one danger certainly is that how do you create incentives that will keep the state from abusing its power? Because the state does have a unique capacity.

I There are plenty of ways for markets to be coercive as well in soft ways so we've understood the greenhouse effect since the 19th century and the greenhouse effect is not a Complicated kind of egghead science idea that only three people on the planet understand.

Co2 traps heat as we pump more co2 into the atmosphere. More heat is trapped causing temperatures to rise. And if you look back a lot of the fears that were being discussed in the 60s and 70s. We are now starting to see in the form of more wildfires more.

Not necessarily more hurricanes, but more intense hurricanes. And just think back I think it was five years ago we had Harvey Irma Maria it boom boom boom. And if we want to talk about dangers and damages to developing world of Middle East South Asia.

Those are the places that are gonna get hammered by this in a way that like in Nebraska Nebraska might be a little bit more like Oklahoma or Texas in 40 to 50 years, which isn't great. But it's not a desert which is what parts of the Middle East and sub-saharan Africa are looking at.

And so what concerns me with? Leaving these things to commercial entities is that commercial entities are going to behave in ways that are incentivized to help them now. They're not necessarily going to be thinking about 30 40 years down the road.

And so I think what government can do is it can create a quote-unquote artificial environment. That tries to incentivize commercial entities to think about those things. In the same way that my wife and I do this at home with our kids.

We create a kind of artificial consequence. When they do something wrong because what we're seeing now is oh in 20 years if it's not addressed. Problems develop over time and I worry that the commercial incentives that most firms are given.

Don't equip them to think long-term in the way that a lot of these problems. Necessitate is there some variance in computer models? Sure. Can we predict everything with perfect accuracy? No. But I Think the basics here are not that hard and they don't require a PhD or a complex computer to understand its basic greenhouse effect dynamics.

This guy's a true cultist, I mean at the end of the day like this guy is. You know, you know Matson says yeah I worry about the the cult of the expert right and and what what Matson is saying is that this this idea.

That we've got this this cabal of experts, you know. And then they're these are like the equivalent of the priests of a pagan religion, you know. They'll they're going to look into the future they've got their crystal ball and they've got their crystal ball in the form of a computer model and they get together and they they.

They they ask the gods and they say what is what's going to happen? What's going to happen into in in in 20 years and 10 years? They ask the gods and they they type it in and they think they spit out these these these predictions these prophecies of what's going to happen and and.

It's a very scary it's a very scary prediction and so and then what they do is they say, okay. We we've spoken to the gods. We've we've addressed the Oracle and the Oracle says this is the future but but and there's always a way for redemption of course, but if you will do these kinds of sacrifices if you will make these kinds of.

If you'll do this kind of penance if you'll do this then then perhaps the gods will it will be appeased and will be. Okay, and it's coming in 10 years. Yay. Whoa. Whoa 10 years the sidewalks will be melting and of course, Los Angeles will fall into the water and the polar ice caps will melt and you know the whole story you've heard this before and.

And Jake here just he believes that he believes in the pet and that kind of a Pentecost and. So, you know and it's it's really not that hard like it's. You know Jake Jake has has Jake is almost silence me in the opposite way.

Like like it's just like it's it's like the scattergun approach. But it's like intensified by the fact that he presents himself like the transsexual like that's that's it's it's hard to respond. In a serious way to someone who's so unserious.

And you even wonder if it's even right to even respond. Basically what he said was it's like it's like so so, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I mean there are no breaks on this on this cult of the expert.

There are none. He's he's he's he's he's given himself to them. And so they say that the greenhouse effect is going to kill us all in ten years and he believes it. He totally believes it. It's true. Truly.

It's a sad. This is a this is a beaten man, this is a this is a man who's owned and and and he's owned by. By by by tricksters, you know by by wizards, I mean these these climate Scientists, they they operate like the Wizard of Oz.

It's like as long as you don't look under the hood everything looks impressive and scary and things like that. But the minute you challenge even one of these premises, I mean go to the go to the comment section of I don't know.

It was the the second video in this series, I believe. And people just have walls of links of Scientists and people that are not in the cult. And they say yeah, you know. There's something going on with the climate but this whole idea of the greenhouse gases and human activity doing this.

That's not that's not it. That there's really there's really not the open and shut get we all under even children understand. This is a matter of faith to him. This is a matter of dogma to him you know, this is this is this is what this is about for him, you know, and and Essentially, he's he's telling you Trust the experts.

They've spoken To to the gods. They've spoken to the Oracle and This is what they've told us. This is not a man. This is a matter of faith. For for for Jake meator. It's so it's sad. It's sad to watch a man just so beaten.

You know what I mean, like you've ever you ever watched um, you ever watched like those videos with With the people that that catch Would be child predators like they poses as children online and they set up the meeting, you know yeah, Chris Hansen used to do it, but a lot of guys are doing it on YouTube now and and You know, it's it's it's these people are disgusting there's just no question about it.

And so like on the one hand you're happy that they're getting their comeuppance they're being exposed, you know they were about to abuse a child and they get out they deserve everything they get you get that but I Don't know if you've ever watched this and felt this way but I've always felt a certain sadness as well to watch the guy who's just who's been exposed and and You know, he's telling you his whole life story, you know.

He was abused as a kid and he's giving you all and and and it's amazing like they'll just they have no authority. They're not police officers, but they'll ask questions and and these people often will just expose their whole lives to these people.

And and the reason they do that Partially, there's probably some self-preservation there. Like they think if they be if they're honest, they'll be more lenient. But I think part of it is that they're just completely Beaten in that moment.

They're completely beaten. There's nothing like there's nowhere for them to go and that there's a sadness there to watch a man. That's just so Owned, you know what? I mean? It's it's sad. It's a very sad thing and Jake meater is so Owned that as much as I'm angry at at what he's done to the church in with his little influences.

It's it's infuriating and he deserves everything he gets, you know based on that alone. There's a sadness here. This man is owned. He's owned and the Wizard of Oz has him dazzled and he's just trusting the wizards.

And he and it's not like in the last video, you know if you didn't watch it to the end one of the points that that that was made was like look if the Climate was truly changing if if if Montana was becoming a desert or whatever it is.

He just said there if that was real that would be from the Lord and we we don't have to guess why he's doing it. Because in the Bible it was covenant curses include some of this climate type stuff, you know.

You'll become a desolation your crops will fail things like that and it's because of blood guiltiness it's because of of immorality in your land and all of that kind of stuff and it's and Jake is not saying look we need to repent where we're sinning because of this and that the abortion, you know Transsexual stuff.

He's not saying that he's saying look look no need to repent we we just must have the carbon credits and in all of that like It's just it's just unbelievable. Anyway, uh, this video is Leo. Let's let him finish and then we'll be done.

It's that result from that and the consequences of rising temperature. It's a tragedy. He's a tragic what I'm if my point is when you see Jake, you know, this is a You know, it'll make you mad, you know, you'll you want to refute him I get that it's this it's a he's a tragic figure.

He's he's a it's a tragedy. He's probably we're probably similar age him and him and I and I I I Remember as a child, I remember as a child The kinds of propaganda that I that I was given, you know, you remember Captain Planet, of course.

That's that's silly stuff but but but but during that time, you know I remember hearing about the whales and how the whales were gonna be gone in 20 years or whatever. It was I remember hearing about the big the hole in the ozone layer and I remember the fear.

That I was I was I was taught about the ozone layer, you know that that the ozone layer had a hole. They've detected it they predicted this for a long time and it had a hole and it was going to expand and Essentially, you know all of our protection from the ozone layer was gonna go away and and and I remember hearing about that.

And I I do remember being afraid. I remember that. Do you remember that? Do you remember being afraid of the ozone layer as a kid because I do and then as I grew up, you know. My father did a great job, you know, you know training us and teaching us and preparing us for For you know.

Keeping our wits about us. You know what? I mean? My father's a nuclear engineer. I don't know if you guys knew that. He's a nuclear engineer. Double master's degree almost has his PhD. My father's Intel is extremely intelligent person and he knew what was coming.

He knew and he prepared us for it. So I don't remember why I stopped being for afraid of the ozone layer, but the thing is Jake never stopped. Jake never stopped and he just gorges on every lie the Wizards want to tell him.

Any lie, whether it's about kovat, you know, Jake was probably very scared about kovat. I don't know that for a fact, but I would assume he was probably very worried about kovat he was probably watching the computer models and.

Like that kind of stuff. He probably masked his children. Oh. You feel bad. I gotta feel bad for those kids you know. He watched Captain Planet and he really took it to heart. I saw a comment in the section in the comment section about that.

It's true. He did. This is a man who? Who never grew up out of these? Lies these and it's and this is their ex these Wizards are experts at lying to you. They're really good at it. Some of us escape the lies some of us don't.

Jake never did. He just kept believing. He kept being scared of the ozone layer and now his patron saints are people like Greta Thunberg. And it's it's a real sad. It's it's it's a tragedy. I I'm not even joking.

I feel sad vegetation with which leads to more wildfires. There's actually concern now in the East Coast about more wildfires where their wildfire season which traditionally has just been April is now stretching out into June.

So the East won't get hit as hard as the West just different landscapes different climate. But people are worried about wildfires on the East Coast now, which was not something we were worried about. So I would say that the move here is to try and create Laws that help Firms have incentives to think long term.

So as this all relates to China China is a time bomb for several reasons. They have a demographic crisis that is worse than just about anywhere else in the world because of that one-child policy so they're gonna have major questions to deal with there and as far as cities vulnerable to sea level rise China is way worse off than we are I.

As I was prepping for this I pulled up a map that just showed major global cities that are Especially at risk due to rising sea levels and it's basically when I watch them have I quivered in fear because of our future.

You can see this guy is addicted to fear porn and probably other types of porn as well, but definitely fear porn. And I'm not talking about actual porn. I have no idea if he's addicted to actual porn.

But he loves his fear porn that's for sure. I remember they they tried to get me addicted to fear porn when I was a kid. I'll never forget how scared I was of the ozone layer. For no reason I had no idea.

You know what I mean. But I was told to be afraid of it. And you know a lot of you people in this audience probably because I similar ages in this audience for sure a lot of people. You probably remember this or maybe and if you didn't and if you were afraid of the ozone layer.

Maybe you were in a different generation. What was the what was the eco terrorism that they eco fear that they that they tried to push on you? I'd be interested to hear what do you remember from when you were a kid?

What what did they what what what cataclysm did they say was gonna happen unless you went along with their socialist policies? Coast of China every decade has like the fact that other parties are Not doing something necessary Exonerates us from they need to yeah, that's an easy.

That was a weird point of course. It's it's very easy to refute that you know just because they're not doing the right thing doesn't mean we don't have to do. The right thing it has this is where I'd actually we should talk more.

Roger Scruton an English conservative has written extensively about environmental issues and Scruton will make arguments about how Environmental protection is about protecting social ecology. And so I think if we're if we're approaching climate change, right?

We are restoring a lot of things that have been lost that are part of human existence that are part of the good life. Enjoy it being able to enjoy Healthy landscapes as you were describing in Florida.

So I think a lot of this work can just be delightful. If it is designed properly and not in just a like mandated top-down regulatory way. But in a convivial way that is trying to recognize the roles that all these different Social bodies that make up a polity can play.

All right, so Brian we're done with that. So, um. Yeah, there he goes. He's gonna push his little hair back, you know, like a. Yeah, Jake meater in my opinion is a tragic figure. He's a tragic figure.

You know men in this audience, you know like This is what you want your sons to not grow up into someone who never Gets control of that fear of the boogeyman in the closet, you know and I mean every kid has a fear like that every kid has a fear of of something that they were told to fear and.

But they were misled, you know, it was a story it was a wizard spell something like that. And Yeah, it is it's sad. It's sad. I'm gonna end it there. I hope you found this video helpful. God bless.