How Fat Does Someone Have to Be Before It Is Ok to Fat Shame Them?

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Salvation in Christ Alone and the Coming Judgment

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Why the Episode Is About Fat Shaming and Target's Body-Positive Displays

Welcome to Bible Bast, where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry. We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we seek to answer the age old question, how fat does someone have to be before it's okay to fat shame them?

Now, this is an episode, the last episode was primarily motivated by a post that I had seen on Twitter, but this episode is actually motivated by some things, Tim, that you saw over the weekend, so why don't you tell us why we're doing this episode on fat shaming today?

Yeah, sure. Well, over the end of last week I was doing some Christmas shopping and trying to get a dirty Santa gift, and so I really don't go to stores very often, I really would prefer to avoid shopping as much as possible, because I just don't really like to spend money, I'm cheap and so I don't really like to go to stores as far as that goes.

It's just, you know, why tempt yourself to spend a bunch of money, but I don't really do a whole lot of shopping at stores anymore, but I found myself driving and I was near a Target, and I just thought, well, I'll just run in there and find a gift real quick and go to the electronics section or whatever and grab something for this party that I was going to, and I haven't been to Target in a long time, but as I'm in Target I'm just walking through the women's clothes section on my way back to the electronics section, and posted on the wall is this picture of three huge women, you know, like just enormous women.

I mean the kind of women whose legs are as big as my body, they give like thunder thighs a whole new meaning, but they're doing model poses like you might expect at a normal store that you might go to, but they're doing the same kind of poses, but it's just like huge, you know, 400-pound women that are up there, and, you know, so I go from there and think, oh man, like what are we doing with this, and then I walk into the electronics section and there's a picture of a smiling sodomite in a purple shirt, and then I start noticing all the diversity pictures that are there and it's basically just an intersectional display of, you know, you have the Indian couple.

I guess we're not quite ready for full tribal headdress Indians yet at Target, but, you know, who knows? Pretty soon we'll get there.

It's all about progress, Tim. One step at a time, man.

Right. But that was just, for me, I mean I've been watching this movement, the body positive movement and fat shaming has become, along those lines, one of the worst possible things that you could do.

I mean I know that growing up there was social pressure against being overweight, and now that, you know, critical theory has basically infected everything, we're at a point where being obese or being a glutton or being fat is considered a protected class, and there's this move in our society to try to normalize that.

And it's a pretty strange move. I don't really keep up with pop culture or entertainment, but even someone as ignorant of pop culture and entertainment as me knows about the singer Adele who used to be morbidly obese, and everyone praised her for being true to herself and all this kind of stuff, and she's such an inspiration and role model to all the fat women in America and everything else.

But then the point is that recently, I believe it was pretty recently, she decided that she was killing herself by being overweight and she decided to lose some weight, and so she was universally praised as kind of an inspiration for everyone, and then when she lost weight, then all the fat people were attacking her essentially and basically saying, you know, how could you do this to us?

How could you lose weight? I thought you cared about us. We looked up to you, you know, and now you're just like everyone else who is fat-shaming us, you know. And there's no shortage of memes on the internet that going on a diet is fat-shaming yourself, and, you know, there's just you can look at YouTube videos of a doctor commenting on certain weight loss plans and look underneath them and see, you know, comment after comment after comment of, you know, people who are disturbed that they are being fat-shamed by any notion of trying to get them help people to lose weight as if that is even a goal to pursue.

And so it's a problem. I mean when you're in a society that praises obesity and refuses to have any mechanism that would push back against that at all, I think we need more people who are going to step into that space and speak sane words as far as that goes.

I've been into Target a few more times than you, and I had seen a lot of those ads. When you sent me the picture of them, you know, my first thought was, is this the first time you've been in Target in a while?

Yes, yes. But when you sent me those pictures, I saw them the first time, you know, a year, year and a half ago whenever they started putting up all the pictures of the new, like, fat people and gay people and whatever else.

And I just hadn't really thought about it in a while. But when you sent me that picture, one of the things that I thought of I didn't tell you about this, but one of the things I thought of was, you know, one of the girls was, like, laying down on the floor doing a modeling pose, and I immediately thought, I wonder if she needed help getting up.

You're not allowed to laugh at that. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to get canceled for saying that, but that's all right. Now, you say I'm not allowed to joke about that. You know, obviously, this episode, the title of it, the joke that I made, even, I think, the fact that you're pointing out, hey, there's a weird standard of beauty trying to be set through the Target advertisements in their store.

All of this to the person listening to this episode right now is going to sound incredibly offensive. I mean, wildly offensive. You're just not allowed to say these kinds of things, especially out in public, where everyone can hear you saying it, and they have recorded proof of you saying it.

So, explain a little bit why you think that this is so offensive, even to point out that someone is fat. Why is this so offensive to people?

Why Fat Shaming Feels Offensive in a Relativistic, Protected-Class Culture

Yeah, well, there's several explanations for this that I could give, and I don't even know the proper order to start, so I'm just going to say a few of them and a few explanations. But I think, you know, growing up, I'll just start a little bit odd about graphical.

I mean, growing up, I was part of a generation where there was still social stigma attached to being fat. So there was, you know, fat phobia was just the standard, as it's described now, standard state of affairs.

And people didn't, you know, growing up in high school, you didn't want to be fat. I mean, I remember, you know, getting out of high school and going into my college years, all of a sudden it transitioned to where being skeletal thin was the thing, right?

And so you had like actresses like Calista Flockhart, whoever that was. I can't remember. I only remember her name. Or, you know, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen. One of them, like, turned to extreme bulimia.

And all of a sudden, like, being extremely bulimic became kind of like a significant thing. And whenever you talk about, like, the idea of fat shaming instantaneously, the thought that comes to mind is the thought of the 95-pound girl saying to the 100-pound girl, hey, fatty, you need to go on a diet and quit eating so much donuts or something like that, right?

I mean that's what people think when they think about but the problem is that they picture that scenario like anywhere between the 95-pound woman or 95-pound teenage girl talking to the 100-pound girl who's trying to live up to whatever subjective standard of beauty, quote-unquote, that males have as far as that goes.

You have that same kind of reaction though being applied all the way across the board to the 600-pound person, right? Who you say, hey, you can't even stand up without it being a triumphant act of bravery, right?

And so, like, we're living in a society right now that is unable to distinguish, like, those two things in a fundamental way. So part of it like that's why it's such an offensive question to ask is because instantaneously we've, like, collapsed anything any weight and every weight from 95 pounds to 600 pounds and we have the same moral reaction to any kind of pushback in a way that's kind of insane when you think about it.

So part of it is that. I think part of it is we're deeply infected by moral relativism. I remember going to Bible college. One of the things that one of my professors says is that Christians live in an axiomatic schizophrenia is what he said.

That's just a fancy way of saying essentially we have a category for objective truth despite what the postmoderns say, which truth is relative and everything else. So we were pushing back on, hey, it's not your truth.

I mean this was 15 years ago, going to school or whatever it was, 20 years ago. I can't remember now, but postmodernism is a thing. Moral relativism is a thing where there's no such thing as objective truth.

Well, the Christians were pushing back on that, but then we handed that over with like in terms of axiomatic, our values. We didn't believe in something like objective beauty, right? So we had embraced moral relativism as it related to the category of beauty.

So we thought beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? We thought that for years, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is no objective standard of beauty. But that's just that's a lie.

The Bible describes Rachel as being beautiful in both form and appearance. Of Leah, Leah said her eyes were weak or delicate or whatever else. So she had pretty eyes and to use a crass expression, Rachel was the whole package, right?

I know you're not allowed to use meat terms related to women without like triggering all the feminists. But I mean that's I'm just trying to say like that there is an objective standard of beauty that exists in the world.

And if you like as Christians, we have to believe in that kind of thing. But when you give everything over to relativism, then it just resolves as, hey, your preference. You like skinny people. I like huge people, right?

Who is to say who is more beautiful? It's like, well, the Bible, right? So I mean the Bible has a lot to say about that. So I think part of it is like we have this moral indignation that's related to what I'm trying to say is there's this moral reaction that any instance of pushing back on gluttony at all is put as the 95-pound girl to the 100-pound girl.

We've embraced moral relativism essentially, which now means that like we don't have a category for objective beauty anymore. In terms of like sociology, one of the things that has happened is critical theories infected everything.

And so now we have obese people as being a protected class of people. And so because they're a protected class of people, you have to basically affirm them in their identity and any pushback upon that is considered basically a civil rights kind of issue too.

And so I think then factor in the fact that I think pastors have failed to speak to the issue of gluttony for many, many years now. It's just been kind of a ceasefire that's been put on that. And then you factor into the fact that the fact that Americans have one of the worst diets in the history of the human race and all that combined means that we just have a problem we're not really allowed to talk about for a variety of reasons.

And there are other reasons too, but that's just a few reasons why it feels like it's mortally offensive. Well, let me say this too. I mean like because of critical theory, one of the things that happens is that like whenever you're dealing with a protected class, right?

So whether it's a sexual orientation class, quote-unquote, whether it's a minority class, quote-unquote, a perceived victim class, quote-unquote, or relate to the body positivity movement like a class of weight or size.

This is considered a protected class and the rules for all of these classes is attack on one is an attack on all. Does that make sense? So when President Trump said that like Rosie O'Donnell was a fat idiot or something like that, right?

It's like you're not allowed to laugh, Harrison. I can't help it. When he said that she was a I mean like now you're going to get thrown into the category too because you're laughing at the one. But here's the thing.

I think I was already lumped into the category. I've already lumped myself. That ship has sailed.

Here's the thing though. When he said that about her, what did the media say over and over and over again after that? Like Trump attacks women, right? It's like, well, no, he doesn't attack women. What do you mean he attacks women?

Like what are you talking about? He just said that Rosie O'Donnell was a fat idiot, right? Like is she a fat idiot or not, right? Like that's the point. Like is she a fat idiot? Like that doesn't have to do like all women are not Rosie O'Donnell, right?

So no one says like when so there's an asymmetrical amount of rules here. I mean when people like the media says incessantly that Trump is an idiot, right? And they've even had ads about him being overweight, right?

But no one thinks, oh, that's an attack on men, right? Well, you don't have that attack because it's not a protected class. And so part of like why this question is so offensive is because obesity now is treated as a protected victim class essentially that you must universally praise.

And any criticism of the one means you criticize all. So that's why you can't even ask the question how fat does a person have to be before you fat shame. It's all viewed under the same lens of attack on one is attack on all.

Does that make sense?

Yeah. So I guess just I kind of want to know your perspective on all of this since you said it started out with the 95-pound girl telling the 100-pound girl to lose some weight, fatty. Are you it seems kind of like a sudden shift in my mind.

It probably hasn't been. But in my mind, it seems like it has been a bit of a sudden shift. Are you surprised at all at the fact that we've basically gone to the complete opposite end of the spectrum in terms of how we view weight now?

Gluttony, Beauty, and the Culture of Protected Victimhood

I mean yes and no. I mean I'm all of it is shocking. Like when you think about all the intersectional classes and everything else. I mean we're like the level of insanity is almost beyond parody at this point.

I mean like to tell a transgender person that they need to be true to themselves and basically mutilate their entire body and basically destroy their heritage or any chance that they will ever have biological children for the rest of their life and because of some mistaken notion that they're born the wrong gender.

I mean all of that, like it's not it's insane. I mean when you think about it and the level of insanity is just comprehensive almost at every single level. So there's a sense in which it's like people have to say, how stupid can we possibly get, right?

Like how stupid can we I mean like with every new like every new revelation in the news cycle is just like we're just reaching new levels of stupidity and it's just like breathtaking how dumb us supposedly enlightened people can possibly be at this point.

So there's a sense in which it's shocking but then there's another sense in which I think once you can kind of see the writing on the wall for a long time now with the body-positive stuff. I mean it's an insane conclusion.

Like there's obviously health like so I mean there's settled actual good science to talk about like all the preventable illnesses that can be caused by keeping yourself in reasonable proportion and everything else.

I mean it's just like there's so many preventable diseases like heart disease and certain forms of cancer and everything else that just are largely affected by diet and just you can see physically the all the problems that I mean imagine the 400-pound person climbing the stairs and all out of breath and barely make it up and all the knee pain problems and the back problems and the all the erectile dysfunction.

Everything that comes from I mean there's so many problems that come from being obese to the point where why would you want to praise that as a society, as a virtue? Like it seems insane but at the same time I think it is the kind of thing that once you see how the game works and your eyes are open, that once something is starting to be considered a protected class, you can extrapolate out if you have some sort of forethought and you're looking and you're paying attention.

You can see where the trajectory is going and so like as soon as like for instance gay became the new black, right? You saw how that script worked itself out and then when you see a similar thing is happening with being obese or being able-bodied, right?

You got to check your able-bodied privilege. We know how this goes, right? I mean it's kind of you can see the writing on the wall. You start trying to what you do is you end up praising a vice as a virtue and demanding that everyone else praise it and all the rules, predictable rules apply.

Does that make sense? So it's shocking in the level of idiocy that is there but then it's like, yeah, we've seen this playbook before.

Yeah, that makes sense. It feels like Romans 1 in the worst way possible. Basically.

Well, that's what Romans 1 says. Hey, not only did they commit these things but they give hearty approval of those who do so as well. And that's what's being demanded is that you praise these vices at every point.

Right. In an unthinking way.

Right. So you're saying using terms like vices, it seems like you're indicating, hey, these things are really, really bad. So when it comes to scripture, is it safe to assume that being fat is sinful or is it just unwise like for your health?

What exactly does scripture tell us about being fat? Is there like a thou shalt not be fat somewhere that we can go to real quick? Goodness.

Scripture on Gluttony, Weight, and Stewardship of the Body

So this is I think it's a hard question to answer like in terms of in a simplistic way and because it's a hard question to answer, I think essentially what's happened is that there's been a lot more latitude given to this kind of topic than should be given as far as that goes.

But no pun intended. But anyways, no, I think so let me see if I can try to I would say there doesn't seem to be in the Bible a there's obviously not a specific thou shalt not be fat kind of thing and so there's that.

Now at the same time, there's a lot of passages in the Bible which condemn gluttony. So Deuteronomy 21 .20 talks about what to do if you have a stubborn and rebellious son and part of the there's an instruction there that's offensive at a different level because maybe we could do a podcast on that at some point.

But basically the instruction under the law is if you have a stubborn and rebellious son, you take him out to the elders of the city gate and you stone him. But then it says he will not obey our voice.

He is a glutton and a drunkard. So it's like that seemed to be significant moral issues. You read through Proverbs. There are several verses that are related to the idea of gluttons. So be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat.

I guess we need to leave America, right? So that's in the language of wisdom. Proverbs 23 .21, for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty and slumber clothe them. Proverbs 28 .7, be careful who your friends are.

The one who keeps essentially it's what it's saying. The one who keeps the law is a son with understanding, but a companion of gluttons shames his father, right? So you read through the Bible. You have this idea of gluttony being a significant moral issue.

It's a matter of wisdom at certain points. But then it's you might want to not have friends who are gluttons, not be a companion of gluttons or you're going to bring shame. So it is something that should be shameful, right?

Jesus, he was accused of being a companion of or he's accused of being a glutton and a drunkard, right? And then Titus 1 .2 of the Cretans, characteristics of the Cretans, the prophets of their own said Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.

I mean this is a moral category and so I think it's easy to attach yourself to this idea of being a glutton and being someone who is intemperate with his eating of food. But I think what the issue with the glutton is, is like a glutton is a person essentially who doesn't have self-control as it relates to eating, right?

Now, what makes that complicated is that there are obviously I think people with stronger metabolisms in the world than others. So I had a friend who basically he's in his mid -30s and the guy could eat whatever he wanted to eat and he could never gain his weight because he had some sort of medical condition.

It's like, well, that's a problem I wish I had as far as that goes. But I mean I think there's some sort of difficulty here as it relates to defining. I wouldn't want to say that it's a sin to necessarily be fat depending on how you define it.

But gluttony is a real moral issue and I think I could just speak to my own kind of experience here and try to explain why it's a little bit complicated. Growing up, I was in high school, I was an athlete, I played basketball eight hours a day.

In high school, I weighed 135 pounds and towards the beginning of high school and basically by the end of high school, I was about 155 max. But that was 1 body fat, the 3 body fat range and there's nothing I could do to gain weight.

I mean my parents had five kids and I basically spent my whole childhood hungry, right? They couldn't feed me fast enough, right? And so I mean it is what it is. I mean I learned to eat like an athlete, right?

And so then going into college, it was funny. I mean it's just like all of a sudden I transitioned into more of a steady sedentary lifestyle and I never really learned I didn't have to diet or really.

I mean I spent all day long exercising anyways. I could eat as much as I wanted and then all of a sudden in the college, it's like I have all the same habits. I go to Taco Bell three times a day now that I have money, right?

Three times a day? Were you eating breakfast at Taco Bell too?

Then all of a sudden I blow up, right? And it's just like what in the world? But then it's funny because it really did take me it took me a good number of years to figure out what was going on and I would say that in a simplistic way, just to be a little bit autobiographical here as it relates to this, I never learned how to eat healthy, right?

And my understanding of like what appropriate size portions were was significantly flawed and I really didn't understand anything about nutrition or how any of that worked. And so part of it was it's like, okay, well, I'm going to eat less and maybe that will help out a little bit and drink diet drinks and do all the things.

But then the problem was it's just like you're still living in America eating one of the worst diets in the history of the world, right?

And so part of I would argue one of the best diets in the world. In terms of taste? In taste. Okay.

Maybe not so much in health. Well, I think for me, I gained a bunch of weight in my early college years and I mean it was a source of like trouble for me and I didn't really know what to do to get it off because no matter what I did, I couldn't be like I was in high school.

The problem was I chalked it all up to, well, I have a different metabolism than everyone else or something like that, right? Or maybe there are some lucky people out there who just can be thin, but I'm not one of them.

But the problem is it's just like the more you it took me to my early 30s to figure out what skinny people were actually doing in order to maintain their skinniness, right? And one of the things that they don't do is drink a two-liter of Mountain Dew a day or something like that, right?

I mean there's so much ridiculous amount of sugar in that. If you want to be fat, drink like regular soda. Just look on the back of a 20-ounce and there's like what? Like 70 grams of sugar or something?

It's bad. It's awful. I mean if you want to be fat, just drink it. But I mean the thing is you cannot be a glutton. Here's the thing. You could be fat, like fatter than you should be. You could be disproportionate, right, objectively and eat once a day, pretty modest diet or something like that in terms of quantity.

But you're just drinking a bunch of sugar drinks all day long, right? And so I don't know that there's some kind of here's why it's complicated. I don't know that there's some kind of moral condemnation against that kind of person who's just ignorant about how

Nutrition. Yeah. I mean to and like that kind of person, they may not be a glutton. They may have self-control. They just may be eating and all the wrong stuff and don't understand. They don't have a plan to get there.

And so I don't think that there's like some sort of simplistic answer to this like at all points. I mean again, I don't know much about celebrities. But I do know that if Kim Kardashian wants to lose weight, I've learned somehow over the course of my life that what she does is she eats a chicken salad every meal with no dressing on it and drinks water, right?

And so hey no, but I'm just trying to say that that's like the people who are actually look the way that they look, it's not like because they have some sort of miraculous metabolism in the main.

It's because they're making choices that to eat different things than like they're not going to KFC and having a plate full of macaroni and cheese and a plate full of potato wedges and a plate full of mashed potatoes with their fried chicken fingers.

With their 44-ounce Pepsi and all the ranch dressing and everything else. They're making the kind of choices to maintain their appearance that you don't want to make. So I would say the simple answer to the question is it's just it's complicated.

But I mean obviously at some point, somewhere along the line when you're at 400 pounds, let's just all acknowledge that if you're 400 pounds, you've whatever you're doing, you've crossed the line, right?

And you're such a poor steward of your body now that like you functionally probably aren't able to really fulfill the responsibilities God has given you in life. Be a good friend, good husband, good wife, good father, good mother.

If you can't even get up off the couch without being out of breath, something has gone awry at that point to where probably a lot of it is related to what you're eating and probably a lot of it is related to how much you're moving too.

So does that make sense? So I don't know that there's a simplistic kind of calculus. But I would say that most people should probably lose a little weight.

In order to be faithful, OK? OK. So in order to be faithful when you say in order to be faithful, in order to be faithful to just all of the various responsibilities that have been given to man? Is that what you mean?

Yeah, sure. So I mean like part of the issue is gluttony and that like I think you can eat a horrible diet and be self-controlled and not be the kind of person who's hiding in your closet eating like a box of chips ahoy or something, right?

Or have your food stashes all over the house. I think you could be the kind of person just eating a horrible diet that isn't in very good proportion and still be self-controlled. And it's just like, hey, you may want to think about like being a little bit better steward of your body for the sake of wisdom.

But then there's a verse in Hebrews that is I think relevant to this. And Hebrews 12, 1, it says, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, it says. Notice what I did there?

Every weight. Let us lay aside every weight and sin which clings so closely and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us. Now that weight there, let me suggest in the nicest possible way that that could be literal weight, right?

So like the weight is different from the sin category. So you have sins that are clearly sin, but like there are things that slow you down in the race, right? And part of that just could be like literal weight, right?

I mean it could slow you down in the race. It could make it to where like, hey, you know what? It's harder to play with my kids because I'm 70 pounds overweight, right? You know what? It's harder to enjoy my wife, being intimate with my wife because I'm suffocating to death.

I mean look, it's harder to let my husband enjoy me, right? Physically because I detest the way I look because I refuse to make good choices or something like that. And so when your weight becomes an issue that's like, hey, I'm having all these heart problems because I'm carrying around so much extra weight.

I'm having trouble walking upstairs without getting winded. I'm having trouble standing up off a couch. I don't want to ever play with my kids because it's too much work. I mean like you might be amazed at how much energy you actually have.

I mean I can't tell you how many times I've seen adults look at kids and like, oh, I wish I had such energy. It's like, you know what? You may have a lot of that if you would lose 60, 70 pounds, right?

You may be surprised at how much energy you actually have and it's no shock. Like you don't know why you're so tired and lethargic and sluggish all the time. It might just because you have some weights that you need to lay aside for the sake of being faithful.

Yeah, maybe drink some more water. Right, right, right. Well, hey, I mean that's a lot of weight loss. Honestly, it's just drinking water. Yeah.

You can't just make that one choice. I've noticed that a lot. I used to drink a lot of soda and I still have periods where I will for like a week or so. I'll drink like a lot of soda but then I have tried to be a lot more conscientious about drinking water.

I have like this big water bottle that I try and drink at least one but hopefully more than one of it throughout the day. And number one, I normally just feel a lot better. Like my head doesn't hurt as much because I'm not so dependent on the caffeine that I'm getting from all those drinks.

But then two, I'm just not drinking 70 grams of sugar or however much it is per can of soda with each drink. I'm just getting water instead and so I normally feel a lot better. When you're talking about all the food stuff, I immediately thought of my favorite comedy movie of all time, Dodgeball.

When you have Ben Stiller's character who is the is it Ben Stiller? I think it's Ben Stiller. I think so. I forget now because I haven't seen it in so long. But he's like the fit guy who owns the really awesome gym that's going to buy out the terrible gym from the main characters.

And then he loses all his stuff and he loses his gym. And so he's just like stuck at home eating fast food and stuff all the time and like blows up to be like 600 pounds or whatever. And I was thinking about that and I was like, man, you're just not allowed to make movies like that anymore.

They don't make them as good as they used to, I guess.

The Bible talks about the sluggard is so lazy that he refuses to or he's unable to lift his fingers from the bowl again. And so it's like you picture the big 600-pound person with the Cheeto stained fingers who wants to eat another but doesn't have the energy to do it.

That's such a gross picture. We're not allowed to laugh at that. Yeah, you're not allowed to make you're just not allowed to make movies like that anymore. So that's funny. So you kind of you're making a distinct earlier in your answer, you talked about churches really haven't talked about gluttony very much.

And I can't in my own personal life, I don't know that I can think of a single time that I've ever heard anyone talk about gluttony in any kind of way really. Not even like just kind of like off topic comment made during a sermon.