Next DEBATE CHALLENGE! w/ Trey Fisher

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All right round two. Thank you so much for tuning in to the Apologetic dog having a little bit of technical difficulties, but that happens from time to time
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I just want to thank you so much for tuning in Have a very special episode with the fishbone now
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Trey What do people need to know about the apologetic dog? Well, what you need to know is
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I'm still not getting it On YouTube I Think you gotta fix that one
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Yeah, don't understand Let's see No, no, not showing on the tube says it's not.
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Oh, there it is. We're here. Well, BAM Yeah, okay. So what was the question?
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So tell people what they needed to know about the apologetic dog What do you need to know about the apologetic dog?
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Here's what you need to know about the dog He is looking for a Person in the
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Church of Christ who will debate him at what is it? Calvinist conference or something. What's it called?
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That was the conference last year. Why Calvinism this year it will be on sanctification in Tullahoma Tennessee, so let's back up a little bit.
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What's what's the heart and desire behind the apologetic dog ministry? Look songbirds in here
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What up songbird? Yeah Tell him to answer my phone calls
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We talk like three times a day no, I know he's a busy man though making that bread
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You can help me with my my intro for round two So the the heart behind the apologetic doctrine,
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I know it's the heart of every Christian But first Timothy 6 verse 20 says Oh Timothy guard the deposit entrusted to you
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And so this is the gospel of grace where we're guarding it With all of our might we're guarding it resting in the sovereignty of God and so we are making war against false
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Gospels false Christ that are trying to creep in unawares and divide from within and That verse goes on to say train avoid irreverent
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Babel So that would be pagan philosophy anything that rivals the knowledge of God and we avoid pagan philosophy by exposing
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Contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge anything about this you ever read read that verse before I've read that I like that That's a good one.
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You know what the parish reforms about Tell me that's Christianity the
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Bible all the above all the above So that's what we do so tell me about it, so what we got we got a
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We got an upcoming debate that you are you are trying to get someone because they've they've requested
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That you find somebody in the Church of Christ who would debate you live moderated Debate at this conference, right?
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And that's what we're looking for That's what we're looking for because the last person that I issued a challenge to your best friend
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Aaron Gallagher said I'm good with my Podcast did I tell you did
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I tell you did I know this dude like I know this dude better than oh You did tell me.
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Yeah. Yeah way better than he thinks. I know because it was like There's a lot of them out there.
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But uh, yeah, I told you he's not gonna debate you. He's not gonna do it He'll probably even do another episode on his show about This podcast as to why he's not and all this other stuff but you know
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He's got to get ahead of it. I mean, he's got to protect that He's got a rep to protect didn't they say that on Greece Greece, too?
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I got a red That's what he's gonna do. So, you know and he's not going to show up at some
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Conference with a bunch of smart dudes who know the scriptures and reformed theology. I'm telling you the bad thing is like for Put it this way when they're talking to A Typical a typical
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Baptist like a Southern Baptist your typical American Southern Baptist That's like low -hanging fruit for them, right?
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But when you run up on a reformed Baptist, they're just like what? It doesn't even make sense.
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They can't wrap their mind around it. So You know from their perspective and what they understand scriptures to be saying so I just don't
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I told you he wasn't gonna do it He's not gonna do it. He'll never do it. He wants to sit GBN or whatever it is with all his other
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Church of Christ buddies and just do it there And he says that you know, he was not gonna that Somehow I said he was a liar or something
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Well, he he did lie What if you take context, but when you don't worry about context and you can change it and make it anything else
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And I've got all that stuff I could show you but at the end of the day He wanted to talk about all of these topics total depravity unconditional election limited atonement
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Irresistible grace perseverance of the Saints and I asked him if he was gonna do it and he said he would but he he didn't
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But he didn't say he had you know, he had some things coming up so he couldn't do it So, I mean, I'm thinking like six months later if you if you can't find an hour in Six months and I don't hear from you.
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I'm thinking maybe You're not gonna do it, you know, I could find an hour in six months, you know, but whatever it doesn't matter but he's not gonna sit down and do it with a dog who goes into a
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Dungeon and watches every one of his videos and listens to everything he's ever said and actually
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Takes the time to sit down to think of different arguments and different questions to ask him and all these things
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He's not gonna do that. God love him. He's not gonna do it. But so who do you want next?
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He's out Gallagher's out Not everybody's called to debate or feels like they're equipped to some people like their little echo chambers and their podcast rooms
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And you know what? That's fun, but I will say I'm probably done Listening to Gallagher people send me a stuff all the time.
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I Just you know what? I gave him a legitimate opportunity to debate me I Mean, it's a long time out.
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It would have been great. But hey We move on to the next one. And so as we are talking about debate straight
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Me and you have something on the horizon. Do you forget about this? Yes Forget about it, but I'm kind of looking forward to it.
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I think it's fun I'm gonna handle this one like I did my conversations with Aaron no prep sit down.
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What are we talking about? I think the only thing we got a prep on is how long are you gonna talk and how long am I gonna talk? Like if it's like a two -minute answer
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I go a minute you go a minute something like that No, I think you got first at bats and then
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I'll back clean up So you just take as long as you need and then when you're like Jeremiah, I'm done then I'll swoop in There you go.
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I love it. That's it. Let's miss the prep. We're prepped out, right? This debate will be hosted by Marlon Wilson at the gospel truth
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Marlon But you know, you know the thing about Marlon term, all right Marlon Marlon didn't somebody else accuse accuse you
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Marlon Marlon just does it the only reason the only reason this channel is for those $2 super jets
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That's that's told TT. That's what they do. Is that right? I have to bring everybody up to speed the money that's so I Remember I was listening to Travis Thomas truth proof and what really stinks was
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Travis was slamming Marlon hard for having super chats and them having priority
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And I had to call it Marcia Marlon and be like, hey, you need to listen to to Travis yeah,
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Marlon's laughing in the chat here members and Marlon called in live hot and Riley So, I mean the dude was just being drugged through the mud and was funny was watching
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Travis just be like, oh So You I kind of miss today's right when we interacted with old
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TT You know, that's that's always free game, I mean we can always jump into that that Garhole again whenever you want
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Listen, I love this. What is the debate challenge Johnny Robertson Caleb Robertson Paul Mays or OTT?
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I'm saying OTT is out Paul Mays. God love him. Paul Mays loves some Paul Mays.
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I I'm sure your ringtone is one of Paul Mays of songs. Oh, don't don't tempt me
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But I don't I've never heard Paul Mays before what does he sound like stop it You are the meanest person
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I know You know, you are you're Zach from Saved by the Bell You're the one who always pushes the buttons and gets everybody else in trouble and you come off as the good guy
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When really you're the the wizard behind the curtain making everything happen That you're way older than me
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I never I never watched Saved by the Bell I did watch the Boy Meets World though So Johnny Robertson, I've had a lot of Conversations and stuff with old
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Johnny Ringo Robertson. I'll tell you what if you called out Johnny Robertson I would like to say
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Johnny. It looks like somebody just walked over your grave Who was that tombstone
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Doc Holliday said Johnny Ringo looks like somebody just walked over you I'll be your huckleberry.
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You look like somebody just walked over your grave. Let's call it. Johnny Robertson. Is that who it is? Johnny he's not
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TT. Don't do that. That's just TT Johnny's the dad to Caleb If TT went to this conference to debate you live, he'll be throwing chairs at people in audience
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He'd be getting so mad at him. Plus. I don't think they'll let him bring his spaceship there Does he still do his little setup in a in a spaceship
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I don't know I guess I was blocked Thanks for Love that dude.
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We've had many years together. We've had some we could tell you some stories of some visits We've had at people's houses before No, I'm not
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Stacy. I'm not gonna do it. But do you remember that? Never mind? I'm not even doing that one. We'll talk later Stacy but it was we went to a guy's house and Just So Stacy knows which one
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I'm talking about, but he said that he never sinned anymore And the wife the wife started laughing
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Like she's like I live with you got it got weird really quick That was a fun one
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Yeah Me and Stacy visited a Mormon church one time But we were invited
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I was invited because the elders asked me to come Because they said that they you know the answers they couldn't answer some questions
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But they said come to church and our leaders will ask and I mean you can ask them and they'll answer your questions
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So me and Stacy go and we sit in the back row we sit there like literally we go in the very back the back door walk in sit down and We see all these guys up front like talking whispering like And then like three of them get down they go out that door walk down the hallway open the door
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We're sitting right beside because we're in the very back close to the door Right, yeah, what's up?
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I said you got to go Right. We got to go. What? Why do you have to leave now?
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Like what we do just you have to leave like oh okay, so that was
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We got more stories. But anyway, that's a different topic for another day I want to ask you so going back to the debate that we have
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On Marlon's channel, I believe it's August 23rd. Now. All this graphic says is water baptism is necessary What do you remember what water bad?
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Marlon that was not the the actual proposition Which is not the whole proposition.
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It's not the whole proposition what they agreed to and they said they wanted to debate was Water baptism is necessary To remove all of your sins past present and future
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That is the actual proposition Yeah, and so we won't tell everyone the problems with that now
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But just think about what they're trying to say the moment where when you contact the blood in the watery graves of baptism
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Every single sin you have committed or will commit is paid for in full
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Just wanna let that sit for a little bit that's what they that's what they have to defend tray. What are we gonna do?
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It's so like then I don't They can't
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I got Got your back. I got your back. Hey when in this Paul Mays is winning the poll right now.
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This is hilarious You're gonna think we got a Spencer Rice just gave you five bucks you were doing this for the money, aren't you
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Jeremiah? I am I'm just a brownies and over here So much money just hand over fist on this podcast right here you've just made $5
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Yeah, well, I got to read it to Spencer Rice says I have it on very good authority that Jeremiah's He's a jabroni
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I don't know what that means Bobby I'll be I'll be a jabroni. I ain't scared
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Lee and Ferguson, she's in the building too. Thanks so much for joining and Sparky Sparky.
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Hey, don't forget. This is coming up everybody We've not forgot. We're gonna be doing a break down of this.
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This is written by a guy. Who's a Church Christ preacher in my area who I've reached out to to talk to just to ask him questions and And No, he doesn't want to answer any questions
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And so I offered to just sit down just with all of his elders Whatever go to somebody's house and just simply ask questions not debate not even tell him what
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I think but just ask questions About what he wrote and I will tell you this if I ever wrote a book dog
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And somebody especially locally, you know, because I'm not like John Gershom about it. You know,
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I'm saying I'm not some great author. And so if I wrote a book and somebody my local area, so hey, man
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I got some questions about this. I'd be like, dude, come on. Let's talk But so we'll break it down.
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It'll be fun That's yeah,
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I wish I knew it Paul Mays sounded like I'm not doing it but Holy Spirit activate
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It's not a it's not a sing -off it's a debate And Eric Gallagher's out completely
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Yeah I'm kind of sad about that one tree, but you told me you told me that He was not about it.
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And I said what about it? No, he ain't about Which is funny when
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You know, he I told him one of the deals he Forget one of the episodes me and you did.
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I mentioned that somebody that he knew We're not somebody but maybe a person or maybe a couple or maybe something right
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I was leaving the Church Christ and from those talks that we had and these people knew him very well and That really bothered him.
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So he texted me. Who is it? I'm like, well tell me who you know this text message
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I have, you know, so tell me who that was And so he had no problem spilling the beans because he wanted to know who it was.
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So I still didn't tell him I just said look But here it is. I'm not gonna tell you the people they're scared of the repercussions.
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That's what they're dealing with right now You know, they don't want to it's just hard when you lose all your friends and family and whatever the case is close friends
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Believing so anyway Oh Aaron I would I really
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I really wish you would I just knew he wouldn't you know, yeah Yeah, Leanne seems a little disappointed. She said
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Aaron refused. Hey, I tried for two weeks Leanne I tried for two weeks Offered to talk with Aaron on the road
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Sending messages told him. Hey love to make this happen. I'm even willing to tweak the the proposition a little bit and crickets
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How about his buddy Don Preston who came to my office by the way
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Don he lied to me. Yeah, he lied. He said that he wanted me to come to this He was preaching somewhere locally and he wanted me to come hear him teach and I was like, well
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Mmm, what are you teaching on? He said first John we're talking on security of your salvation I said man, you can't do that. You can't you can't teach people that they're secure in their salvation.
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So sure. I can't I said No, it's gonna be basically You know if you stay faithful if you keep doing this if you keep doing that then you're securing yourself not securing
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Christ No, no, no, no, no, right He said but look I want you to come because afterwards I want to ask you questions
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And I want you to ask me questions And I said look I tell you what If you tell everybody you invited me and I'm not there to pick a fight because listen
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I'll get accused if I show up at a church Christ around Whoa, right? You don't know what they believe
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Yeah, I have no clue I said if you tell everybody that you invited me and you want it like I'll do it
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And so I brought our associate pastor with us because he was in this whole conversation with us By the way, Don told him that he was going to go to hell, but he never shared the gospel with him
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Okay, but uh, so we go and we went why because he wanted me to ask questions afterwards and he wanted to ask me questions afterwards and Afterwards we sat there for like 10 minutes
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It's all over with you. I'm saying everybody's gone leaving and so I go up to him afterwards. I say hey, I Thought you wanted to talk and ask questions.
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He goes. I don't know. I got dinner plans. I got a run I got your number though. I'll call you sometime. I'm like you little dog, right, but regardless What if Aaron and Don?
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What if Aaron if if he if would you allow Aaron to bring Don with him? And maybe Aaron and Don both could debate you.
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I would do it. Would you in a heartbeat train? But guess what Aaron still won't do it. Don would probably Don well, who knows well, we're getting closer to revealing who's next the next bullet in the chamber
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So we have to have to maybe remember Don who you're talking about. Yeah, if you're actually live on YouTube I have a side poll who is the debate challenge for is it
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Johnny Robertson Caleb? Robertson Paul Mays or everyone's favorite
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Church of Christ old TT Hey, he's got some votes out there too, by the way nobody's
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I wish in a different life we could have Yes, that's what
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I mean. Don Blackwell. Who did I say? That's a Don you said the full full preterist? I was shocked when you said that I was like It's like man
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Preston's the one who backed out of the debate with me and dr Frost because he said I was a loose cannon and I said
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I am a cannon. I'm just not loose Don Preston the full preterist.
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I mean good night orange. Oh, he oh the orange is a full preterist. Oh Yeah, and a fan of the apologetic dog just maybe a fan from afar, but I'm convinced at this point orange okey subscribed
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Yeah, he's probably a super chatter I'd take it.
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I'd take a super chat from a full preterist So Trey as we begin to transition
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Don would not back out of a debate the Don Preston back out of the debate with me and dr. Frost. Oh, yeah
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I mean got message Don Preston. He'll he'll talk about how he didn't like who the people were involved and Yeah, you are a partial preterist post -millennial with Sam Frost that is all millennial idealist and that's what the criteria has been set for a long time
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Finally got it. We were gonna host this in person and Don said no Thanks, and let me go ahead and tell everybody why
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Don Preston and Michael Sullivan. Is that right? Yep Yep back out of the bag your granddaddy talking.
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I said to them I said that they would probably try to pin me and and Frost against each other because we're all meal and a partial preterist post -millennial partial preterist historical
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Orthodox preterist And they'll try to pin everybody in the audience against that and try to say look they can't even agree, right?
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And I said, but let me tell you if you do that either one of you you do that I promise you this is what's gonna happen
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I'm gonna turn this debate upside down and I'm gonna show everybody that y 'all can't even agree on how to get on the deadgun bus
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Because one of you are a Baptist and another one's a Church of Christ er, and if you want to do that, let's go And that's when they said
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He's a loose cannon I might lose cannon like no I'm just saying like if you try to do that, then this is what
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I'm gonna do I'm just telling you right now and then we'll change the whole debate upside down, but and that's when they said no
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We're not we're out. So hey, you got some support out there. You got that hashtag dat post mill with Brandon.
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What's that? Brandon at a boy Brandon I don't know you but we should know each other because you are right
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And that's one thing the dog will tell you the dog, you know when I met the dog, you know what he was Can I tell everybody this dude was a pre -meal?
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Yeah, absolutely, and I said dog you're way too smart. You're way too smart to be a pre -meal dis B He said
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I love my wifey, you know, and so That I was like so at least this and Brandon at least we got him closer
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Right, and so, you know every time you leave pre -meal dis B You're gonna stop in the a mill parking lot and just sit there and go Ah It's a little rainy in that parking lot, but so he'll just sit there for a while but look hey
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Brandon, don't you worry Fish daddy got him. He's coming Hey, he'll be He'll believe the
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Christ one day He'll really believe that Christ is actually a conquering
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King. You know, yes, the gospel is that powerful? No, I love him.
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Yes. Hi you need to get to know Brandon Brandon is awesome, brother So as we are transitioning,
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I just want to point out this awesome sign in my background how I love my wifey
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But just know that she put that there letting me know. Hey, don't forget about me. So she's the baby of all babes
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Thank you so much and Trey I was pointing at the Johnny Mac commentary. This is this was why
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I was pre -meal dis B So, yeah, it took me a number of years to kind of shake that off understanding covenant theology and to me
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That's where the the bread and butter is that is is covenant Covenant theology and that really shines everything in a new light
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I don't know if you recognize this shadowy figure Trey, but since Aaron Gallagher, are y 'all related?
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I think y 'all are cousins You called it you called it Since he would not debate me.
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We have to issue another debate challenge Shadow right. There's not Paul eyes
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Are you is that what what does he sound like again because this guy right here is wearing a coat it looks like but Paul wears overalls
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All right, if you've not actually Put in a vote to the the poll do it.
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We only have 14 votes I think y 'all are gonna be very surprised who we got lined up here but before we
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Show who this is The conference is on sanctification and so essentially this debate is going to Center around Sanctification and we'll get into some potential debate propositions, but Trey listen to me
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I'm willing to debate on baptism if that's what it takes Just say no
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Tim tamp one time. I think he said that he felt like I was the CEO of Baptism debates.
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I was like, I'll take that. Thank you so much. All right, Trey you ready any any final guesses?
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What would you vote in the side? by the part of the hair and the coat
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This probably ain't gonna happen either But go ahead and tell tell Johnny Ringo, it looks like somebody just walk
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I Don't know Johnny, I've not Johnny really is like an old
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TT Just fiery sign fiery. So Johnny Ringo reached out to me a long time ago after the culture show and Cultish offered to fly
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Johnny Ringo out to Arizona, but Johnny Ringo in a hotel Feed Johnny Ringo and Moderate a debate between me and Johnny Ringo, but Johnny Ringo said no, he didn't want to do that And he still goes off on I'm sure
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I don't know I don't watch the stuff, but he went off on me for a long time Durbin. He goes off on Jeff Durbin and Jeremiah and all the cult is all the apology of stuff
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He really doesn't like him and he sent one of his dudes. He had a dude over there Who went in Arizona and then got recruited by Johnny Ringo over to his place in Virginia But that guy and I talked to him a lot
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Lot of other guys talked to him, but he ended up leaving Johnny Ringo Thank God and he reached out to us pretty cool
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And and it was like you wouldn't think this is a dude who you would thought would never change. I mean, he was like a little
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Just like Johnny Ringo, right and TT But God has changed his heart in a lot of areas and so he's he's gone from there
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But Johnny Ringo, will he do it? Well, here's what I would say. I Think he probably regrets like not doing it with me on Apologia and taking that nice flight and stay in a nice hotel and eating nice food and not doing it on their platform, but I Think maybe he might just because he doesn't want like To be like shown up again that you know
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He wouldn't do it because Johnny Ringo thinks he's the guy and I got a lot of stuff now I can even show you a lot of emails from Johnny like 50 of them.
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I think you're close to 50 but you know Fergie makes a good point here.
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She says Johnny Robertson's youngest son not Caleb may debate like that, you know,
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I Don't know. I don't know. I don't know if Johnny will or won't
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I think he he might feel like he's backed into a corner Bite because he's already said no going on to apologies
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You know platform and that's hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people watching He said no to that.
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So maybe maybe he might do this one because I do have an email from Johnny And here is the thing with legalism, you know how you fight legalism
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Jeremiah tell me you fight legalism with legalism Mmm, that's how
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Jesus did it. And so here's email from Johnny November 23rd 2021
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Trey assume, you know, I declined Jeremiah's invitation to appear on cultish with you I've never accepted the form of doctrine.
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You say you were You were in for 18 years in the Church of Christ, you know I've already let
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Jeremiah know that I'm interested in some venue I am interested in some venue that can help the confused people in this two -state area
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I told you I'm about local people that I see here Guess what?
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Guess what Virginia is connected to Tennessee, but oh the two -state area
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So so he's kind of close by Well, I mean, I think it's like seven half away seven half hours away
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But it's he says he's interested in the confused people of a two -state area Virginia is connected to Tennessee.
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That's two states. Virginia's a state, Tennessee's a state He's concerned about those confused people there.
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So maybe if he's a man of his word, he'll do it But I doubt it
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Maybe so has he has he done debates? before Johnny Robertson, I Don't know.
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I mean, I know he you know, you can go to his show his a podcast and he does like a local TV deal station
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And he reached out to me years ago, but he's again. He wouldn't define the word faith Like he's really define it.
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No, not even front of a crowd I Asked him
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I said look, can you just give me the definition of faith and I gave him I said just pick one I gave him Greek lexicons. I gave him the
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Greek definitions. I gave him dictionary calm Webster's dictionary I said just pick one. What what definition are you good with?
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I said if you have you know, basically if you haven't any but just tell me what what's the definition of faith? And he says
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I'm giving you Bible and you want me to show and you want to show me the dictionary The Bible is written with words
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Johnny and those words have meaning and so I need to know what those meanings are. The the Bible is not a dictionary
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But there's words in that Bible So I'm gonna know what the meaning of those words are, right? And so he's just like Aaron Gallagher He's just like all the other ones in the
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Church of Christ. They will not define the word faith Unless you define it their way, which means baptism as well, but no dictionary your kid.
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Yes, like telling your kid Hey Sam, just have faith in me well, and you ask the kid and like the mom comes up to the kids as Little Johnny no pun intended
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Johnny that little Johnny. Did did you hear your dad? What he wanted you to do? He's like, oh, yeah, daddy wants me to get baptized in him
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Because he said put my faith in him. That means get baptized. It's just like what no Nobody ever thinks that that that's because that's not the definition and they know it but Yeah, so but I mean you are in a two -state area.
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You're in Tennessee. It's connected to Virginia Maybe if he's a man of his word, he'll do it But I don't think he will still but I got a proposition for you apologetic dog.
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Oh Tell me Aaron Don Blackwell and Johnny Ringo Three against right.
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You already know I ain't scared I just I just want one of these guys to say yes to the debate challenge
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And if they need some somebody to hold their hand and do it and then that's fine with me. I Don't care
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Let me tell you what the whole debates gonna be I'm gonna try to get them to define their terms and they're just probably
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Not gonna do it. I will give I will give credit to Mike I saw for attempting to give some deaf now
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We only talked about one definition for baptize and he didn't like me grounding it in the
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Old Testament I'm like, hey these words meant something to Jews and he's just kind of like hmm, but that goes against my tradition
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Right, so yeah, so maybe Don, how about that add Michael to it Mike house or how about Mike's son
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Jake the snake? Jake the snake that is a funny Don Johnny Ringo and Aaron I'm I may
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I may have to ask Mike if he'll come out if I can't get some of these other guys I want to give some of the hard right -wing
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Guys a chance to debate me because there's a whole slew of them that are different and they differ with each other on major doctrines
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And so I debated Mike so and I really enjoyed that we for sure have to do more debates in the future
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But I'm really wanting to get one of those those hard right wing tray those
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Johnny Yeah, I do when
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When you say that Johnny Robertson was like old TT. Is it is it like old
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TT times 10 or something or? Okay, let's see
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Oh Carl Trey just misrepresented us again faith is nor Defined as baptism
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He meant not faith is not defined as that's my point. That's my point Carl. So When you say that you're saved by faith, you don't really believe that right that's what you would have to say
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Well the thing Carl even Mike Said that faith includes baptism
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I mean Carl's trying to do the shell game because they think faith is faithfulness
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That's obedient to a list of commands like baptism and faith This is synecdoche for all
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I mean like we know the game, you know, I mean So when he says that we're misrepresenting him,
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I want Church of Christ to see what he's saying because we do know the lingo Now look what he said, hey
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Jeremiah you wouldn't plant you you wasn't planning out for you But what wasn't panning out for you with Mike be dead?
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So who was saying that Carl you're still gonna use B dag Jeremiah wasn't planning out for Yeah, no
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Yeah, it was be dead gives the perfect definition for baptism is to be
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Immersed in water and signifies the forgiveness of sins or signifies a relationship, yeah a a ceremonial right and What I was able to show to Mike and number people have told me that they could not believe that he was trying to go deeper into sacrament and how
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Lutherans understood sacrament because even the Lutherans would say well, of course we have our bias with how we understand sacrament and What it means at a ceremony signifies forgiveness of sins
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You don't get the Lutheran bias for the word sacrament because you have to build your case
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And so that's why I'm able to appeal to the Bayer definition And then as we're seeing how the lexicographers are interpreting that verse
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Well, that's up for debate right because we understand that is their commentary of how that definition is being used so it to me it was great because Mike is not
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Lutheran and so it's going to be easy to expose his double standard and what's funny I don't think Carl's thought about this either but Lutherans believe in justification by faith alone
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So, I mean they're they're on my side of the debate Lutherans gonna look at the word baptism and they're gonna interpret that as sprinkling.
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So I'm just saying You know Mike spent all this time in our debate resting on the
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Lutheran interpretation of what the definition is and I'm like well that just undercuts your Position too because you would deny that Lutherans are
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Saved and they have the right interpretation of Scripture. So no BDAGs excellent BDAGs are not infallible
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I want to bring up BDAG again. It says in our literature only in ritual or ceremonial use number one definition wash ceremonially for purpose of purification
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Number two to use water in a right for a purpose for renewing or establishing relationship the transliteration baptized
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Signifies the ceremonial character the New Testament narratives accord
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So record such cleansings Dedicatory cleansing. It's all a
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Christian sacrament of initiation. It's a sacrament and so Of course, we're good with BDAG.
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Why would we not be with that? That's the whole point Sorry, sorry, Carl That's okay.
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Hey, Chad the trucker from A sign that does something No signs point to something
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Hey Carl while you're driving down the interstate and you see a McDonald's sign Yeah, your truck and go hug the sign or do you go inside the building that it signifies?
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It says hey, there's hamburgers inside there. You don't pull into McDonald's. How do you know he goes McDonald's?
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Or Wendy's Burger King, you don't go to the sign The sign doesn't do anything but points to the real thing inside that building
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You can get your tummy full and so that's what the signs never do anything signs point to the true reality so Hey Trey, I have a backup plan if Johnny isn't about that life.
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Okay, you know what my backup plan is What this debate challenge isn't just merely for Johnny but for Caleb What do you think about that?
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Oh, wow. You just put Johnny in a bad corner because what if Johnny said no and Caleb said yes
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Then I would have to ask really seriously, who's your daddy right like How could you're telling me
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Johnny says no and the son says yes Wow, that's that's a that's a pretty good move that you just pushed
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Johnny Ringo in a corner Jeremiah I couldn't imagine me saying no to a debate on God's Word that I felt very convicted on and Me saying no and knowing that my son will say yes because listen my son right now
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Camp would say yes, but he doesn't care like yep. He'll be there. And so I would have to be like, okay
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I know camps gonna say yes So I have to say yes, I can't say no and let him do it. I'm the daddy
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Right. I can't let him be the daddy. I'm the daddy. So that's what I whoo,
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Johnny Looks like somebody just walked over your grave I Not listen to any of these guys
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I just want to give the people what they want and so they've been saying the Robertsons and so Johnny's always kind of been
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First, but hey Caleb might be close for my age. I think it would be really good Gavin James He makes a good point
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Gavin words are defined by context Well, actually not the words are defined by their definitions
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But the context will tell you what part of that definition like how many like a bat right the bat flew over the plate
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What does that mean? Look, I mean a lot of things. What is the context? Is it a baseball game where the bat flew over home plate?
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Was you were you out picnicking at night and a bat flew over your plate of food like?
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There's there's different, you know Ranges of a word but uh, I mean,
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I'm good with that words are defined by context I mean, well you you would know what range of the word you're looking at Mm -hmm
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Yeah, that's good and we believe that there are some there is a baptism not made with human hands and therefore is not a ceremony and You know being reformed
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Baptist we talked about the baptism of the Holy Spirit how he regenerates a dead Sinner's heart and gives them a heart of flesh.
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And so yes context is everything But we also believe in the grammatical historical method of interpretation and so God has preserved his word in time
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And so we can't import our definition of a word today back into the scriptures. That's why we look at these
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Lexicons to see how these words were used in the century in the time That they were meant to be understood.
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And so yeah when we ask for definitions, we're saying what's what's the rules here? How can we understand this word?
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And yes scripture is always our ultimate authority and how that bears out and so we love definitions.
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We love context context is King So trade this is this is kind of mine
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This is my thought this this debate challenge goes to Johnny Caleb I wish they would think about it and you're saying that where they're from is actually not too far from,
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Tullahoma, Tennessee. I Looked it up. It's seven like seven hours and 40 minutes, but here's the deal.
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I Got the email that Johnny Ringo is concerned about the confused people in these two states where he's at Well Tennessee is connected to Virginia.
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That's two states, Tennessee, Virginia So hopefully he'll do it. I mean, I think man
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Honestly, I would have to do it now If this was if I was Johnny Ringo and you said look I want to debate you and I'd be like, oh my goodness
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I don't want to debate you. I don't want to debate you but then you brought out my son if you if you don't do It I'm gonna ask your son.
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Well, I know my son would do it. So I'll do it I don't even give my son the opportunity Yeah, just no,
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I'll do it I'll do it, you know, oh we'll see they might both smell this maybe okay, if they don't do it if they if Johnny says no and Caleb says no, would you let
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Johnny and Caleb? Oh Yeah, whatever they need. Okay. Okay. I see it.
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How about Aaron? Don Blackwell Johnny Ringo Caleb did you have balloons?
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Who's the other one Don just get Paul Mays in there he can sing while they're doing it
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He can sing Well, I'm Tim Tant. Yeah, I for real good find a significant
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Gavin Gavin says You need to find that turn
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Tim Tant with conversations with Christian says I'll just have to call their show and ask them about the challenge
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Yes, I was gonna say if anybody has any kind of connections to the Robertson's send them this link and like I said this actually might be a good transition because there's a little bit of Groundwork that we need to lay it's to inform the
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Robertson clean whoever I mean just we got to get this show on the road and so we don't have too long because this conference is
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Needing to take away and so Trey I want to go over a little bit of Some of the information that I want them to know about so they can think on it.
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Okay, okay and so This is a debate that's going to be centered around sanctification wine because the conference is geared around sanctification
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I believe the theme is called war. It's the flesh versus the spirit and So with that the
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Church of Christ, there's a lot in Tennessee That's why we're really wanting to use that use this platform to evangelize the
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Church Christ and hopefully draw a crowd But we have a different understanding of God we have a different Anthropology and so Church of Christ believe you a someone who's regenerate someone who's justified and has their past sins washed away
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They believe they can wholesale walk away from the faith and say you know what? I know I was born again, but I'm gonna be unborn again.
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I made that decision. I can walk away Yeah, God banged the gavel and said that I was justified.
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You know what God wasn't serious He can actually overturn that sentence. Okay, that's that that's your theology
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I can't see that in Scripture, but I want us to talk about Sanctification and so some of the the ideas that I have about a proposition is can a believer lose their sanctification obviously if we went with this proposition,
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I would be taking the negative because Who the Sun sets free? They are free indeed and so a believers life is one of sanctification right and it can't be lost because the
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We're in the the newer better Covenant in which the Holy Spirit Permanently dwells and we have the imputed perfect righteousness of Christ.
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Well, of course, we can't lose it This is the work of the triune God. So that's something that's an idea.
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But let's say Johnny or Caleb say no. No. Well, why don't you defend something?
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Mr. Apologetic dog? Why don't you get in the hot seat? Okay What about God will complete cannot fail?
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Sanctification in a believer, I'll defend that one. What do you think about that one Trey? I like it, but you know,
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I see here for one a Jason Henson has a question about acts 10 47 to 48
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But we can back it up everlasting life says which I was about to say this and I was looking at the
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The chat. I don't think Johnny Robertson thinks that the Holy Spirit and dwells the believer just like Gary Gallagher doesn't believe that either
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I don't think era now. I don't think Aaron Gallagher believes that from a few conversations.
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I've had with him I don't believe he does I know You know TT does not believe that the Holy Spirit and dwells the believer
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Tell my grandma church. Yeah, grandma church I don't think Johnny Ringo believes that the Holy Spirit and dwells the believer either and here's the problem with a lot of these
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Guys like Aaron one of the main reasons there won't do it Well, this ain't the main reason but this is a big reason why
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Aaron won't do it Because he has a lot of followers from a lot of different sects of the Church Christ a lot of different, you know strands of it and He doesn't want those who actually believe that you have a
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Holy Spirit and dwelling you He doesn't want them to know that he doesn't really believe that I think that he he really doesn't want to know because he's gonna lose a lot of people, you know
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I would a lot of stake. Oh, yeah, so I don't think he would admit Yeah, that's why
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I think one of the reasons he doesn't want to do it not the main one, but one of them Yeah, well,
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I think this would be a great debate proposition I like I said, I don't mind doing it
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We can debate about baptism if they want to do it But maybe we could qualify it if water baptism is for a believers justification or sanctification
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I don't know something like that. I can wanting to try to Be reasonable and so like if hopefully
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Caleb and Johnny watch this. I'm not saying these have to be the debate propositions I just want someone to say yes,
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I'm really interested What's all of our options I want to say we're super flexible I want to start a group chat with me
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Jeffrey Rice who's hosting the whole conference and just kind of talk about what they would like to debate about Maybe it could pertain more to the gospel.
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We could talk about baptism really want to talk about sanctification in some way. So Definitely wanting to Get some of their input along the way as well
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So Carl Henry has a question he says eight you willing to go to it So are you willing to go to Virginia or does he have to come to Arkansas or video podcast?
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So this is again Jeremiah's debate is in Tullahoma, Tennessee It's in Tennessee.
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So he will go to Tennessee. Jeremiah will have to travel probably further than Johnny will
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To well, there's a thing. I'm I'm good for doing more debates. I'm just looking for someone for this one.
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So let's Get through this one, then I'm willing to travel somewhere else. I almost went and debated
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Mike I saw in Texas at his church, so I would have done that So, yeah
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Carl says Aaron Aaron Gallagher clearly states why he won't debate me or you
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Jeremiah Whatever, you know, I mean, I'm sure he doesn't feel like It I'm sure he thinks he demolished you and so we teach the same thing
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So his excuse is it'll just be the same Well to me if it's if it's that easy, then why not just kind of continue to expose it for all it is
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You know demolish you too Demolish the historical
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Christian doctrines Get after it Hey, do you want to answer this question?
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Do you do you not have to be baptized in the name of the Lord to be saved?
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And would y 'all agreed that's water baptism X chapter 2 I believe you're justified by faith.
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You don't have to be baptized in water in order to be saved Saved people
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Christians get baptized heathens. Don't get baptized come about the water and now they're saved So this is something that Christians do
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So in Acts chapter 10 Cornelius, I don't know Really? I mean they received the
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Holy Spirit before they're baptized. Is that what you're the part he's referring to? hmm
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Yeah, I was thinking about those verses that he's referencing let me double -check to make sure
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I understand Look I want you
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Jason Henson, I want you to really pay attention to 47 48 seriously Can anyone withhold water baptizing these people who have received the
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Holy Spirit just as we have? Did they have the Holy Spirit the Apostles?
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Yes, and they received it How so look they received it just as we have. Okay, if I go to chapter
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See here Look here in the next chapter in chapter 11 when he's explaining it to the
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To the church there and the Jewish people in verse 15 He says as I began to speak the Holy Spirit fell on them
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So he's telling them what just happened over here with these Gentiles The Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning and I remember the
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Word of the Lord how he said John Baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit if then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us
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Remember, he just said they received the Holy Spirit just as we have and now here when he's telling these other people here
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What happened with the Gentiles? He said if then God gave the same gift to them, which was the Holy Spirit as He gave to us when we believed in the
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Lord Jesus Christ not when we were baptized in the Lord Jesus Christ He said the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit just like we did when we believed
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Not when we got baptized and there's a Greek word for baptism There's a Greek word for the word believe be just as simple for him to put when we were baptized in the
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Lord Jesus Christ That's not what he says. He says they received the same spirit just as we did when we believed so Yeah, just to piggyback over you're saying
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Do you not have to be baptized and then Lord Jesus Christ to be saved? Not justified
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That's that's by faith. Clearly the book of Romans tells us Galatians Later in the book of Acts clearly those that believe in Christ.
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They are set free from the law. They are justified so Yeah, it's it's it's fundamentally wrong to talk about one being saved past tense justified for the forgiveness of sins by the means of Your working participation in a ceremony now,
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I would say something does happen in baptism it sanctifies us It renews our hearts.
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It gives us assurance and the promises of God It's showing us the work that he's already begun in us and it's displaying our faith to the watching world
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But unfortunately those that are trusting in Christ and believe Say they are trusting in Christ But then also are trusting in their efforts in baptism to wash away their sins
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Well, that is a gospel that cannot save if you believe that you're participating
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Works of obedience to a list of commands as necessary. Well, then you have a divided trust
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You're not solely looking to Christ alone. Don't don't expect us to fall into your
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Your words of saying well, I'm just an unprofitable servant I'm just doing all what he commanded.
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Well, he justified us. Of course, we're unprofitable servants But if you believe that your working participation is necessary for justification, well, then you're trusting in yourself
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You're not trusting in Christ now try they're not gonna say that so we're not saying that that's what they teach
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We're saying that's the logical entailment of what they teach So Gavin can't accuse me of strawman by saying that but no baptism sanctifies it renews our hearts
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It's showing us the work that that God is doing in our life and to my Lutheran friends out there
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We don't believe in an empty that baptism is an empty sign and symbol No the the Holy Spirit entwels the believer and The baptizer should be proclaiming the gospel of grace.
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So so it's a spirit filled baptism It preaches the gospel and it's a celebration of all of what
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God has done in the life of the church I want to I want to add to what
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Carl Henry is saying here do it This is the problem when you just know proof text. You don't know the context.
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You don't know the Bible You just you just know your proof text and your arguments, right? So I just explained that the
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Gentiles Receive the Holy Spirit According to Peter it's when they believed is when they receive the
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Holy Spirit. So Carl It says this right here, can you pick Carl's it's just right above that Yeah, what you just brought up bring up Carl.
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Yeah comment Got you fishbone Okay, trade got them saved before they learned the gospel.
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So how they believe if they didn't hear Carl Just read the book.
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Let me read you a few lines. I'm not gonna read you the whole thing, but it's in Acts 11
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I mean acts 10. I don't I'm just gonna read you a few lines Before like you read the whole thing
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They share the whole gospel with them and then it says this but verse 40, but God raised him on the third day
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So after he told him about Jesus coming he's with Messiah He was the prophets, you know, the ones the prophets talked about and then he died was buried and he talks about his resurrection
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He says but God raised him on the third day made him to appear not all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as Witnesses who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead and he commanded us
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He commanded Jesus commanded us the Apostles to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God To be judge of the living and the dead to him
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Jesus All the prophets bear witness. That's Old Testament that you think doesn't apply to us all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him
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Receives forgiveness of sins through his name. So according to Peter according to Jesus everyone who believes in him receives the forgiveness of sins through his name and while Peter was standing there these things the
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Holy Spirit fell on them and her and the believers from and they received the Holy Spirit right and they said they just they received it just like we did you look at The next chapter he says they received it just like we did when we believed
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That's because they believed therefore. That's when they received it, too. So I don't understand like they just say things like All he's got him say before they ever heard the gospel read just the paragraph before that just the paragraph
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And so it's just it's sad to me Jeremiah Because the church crisis brainwashes you so much.
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Can you take it off this screen? We're just me and you here and so the church crisis brainwashes people just in such like These few, you know, five or six verses and they tell you all this stuff and like you don't even
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Read it. You just trust them. Like it's kind of like when Aaron Gallagher and Don Blackwell say the word his but hippie to Obey, right
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Doesn't mean anything but to do something. That's what I mean What what Trey saying is nowhere in any lexicon, but yet we bring up 16 lexicons and we show them
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But see they're just trying to believe these people to believe what they tell you Even though Aaron Gallagher says that Jesus Christ was not fully
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God when he came to earth No big deal. Hey, no big deal to them Hey, what did you notice?
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He actually took back what he said about Jews are born into a saving relationship He had to walk that one back
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He's he said it was in his four and a half hour Review of our videos
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And I listen to his He said
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He said he misspoke and we were right to call him out on it. I That's fine.
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I really like he was saying it was such confidence I think it took us, you know saying did y 'all hear that and obviously like Jesus John the
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Baptist Rebuking the Pharisees saying, you know, God could raise up these stones to be physical sons of Abraham I think he had to be like, oh, yeah, that's probably not right
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But you got to think when I'm talking about the Pharisee and the tax collector They want that to be a wayward
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Jew, you know someone that was already in the saving relationship But you gotta you got to read all that into the text so Going back to the last last thing.
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I want to bring out here on the information for the Robertson's Added to the tick tocker trucker
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This will be February 22nd tray, so that's important and we need an answer in About two weeks or less, please
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Let's do it Because we got a plan for this conference so People, please send this to the
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Robertson's message them email them this and I will try to mess dynasty
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Robertson's but Caleb hey, honey, Ringo Robertson. You think Phil would debate?
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No Dang, that'd be awesome, though I'm gonna
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I'm not trying to email him. Can I drop your name? He doesn't know what email is
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I'll do it my pigeon. Are you cussing me out right now? What's an email? Yeah, exactly
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I'll try. Thanks for coming on No, Carl don't want that sauce
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He didn't mind trying to constantly remind me You're not actually trying to invite debaters.
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You're doing these and I'm like, hey speak nice about your people over there They're they're equipped. I saw
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I thought did a good job Don Blackwell Yeah What about Pat Donahue he might be another one, but I've heard that Pat does not like cross -examination so that makes me
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Sam Who Pat? Pat Donahue. Have you heard of him? Spencer Rice Thank You Spencer Rice, you know
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Jeremiah, I don't know you Spencer, but you know Jeremiah that dude Needs to go back to kindergarten and get spanking for chewing with his mouth open he chews
01:00:04
It's like a caveman when he eats his Taco Bell Every time I call him he's ordering Taco Bell And he's like just smoking
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It's like he's like savages firecrackers in his mouth Spencer's in the on the other side of the world right now
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Jake the snake is not on here Yeah, it's not the same with Adam I Who is
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Jacob Thornton I've actually I've seen that name before this is from Sparky Is he a you like a youtuber with a growing channel that's actually a good idea the girl named channel
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No Sparky's no Jacob Jacob Thornton I'm asking if he is the
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Church of Christ with a growing YouTube channel That's it, okay
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We got a link. Let me check that she sent a link in the side chat Let me see if I recognize this guy, but this might this this might be the ticket tray if the
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Robertson's Now I got it I got a crazy dude who might debate you
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And you're telling me he actually would I mean, but I'll talk to this guy he is Is this guy
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Church of Christ? Oh? Yeah, he yeah Sparky's just saying that so if you click his bio it takes him takes you to his
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YouTube channel I Think I've seen him before He's got 21
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K subs all right Sparky you might be on to something. Oh, I've seen this guy yes
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Yeah, he's a little TT as well Hi if the
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Robertson cousin This is TT's cousin that's awesome.
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Well. Hey, that's a good That's a good suggestion. He had a Q &A talk live stream water baptism of the purpose
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Okay, listen if Johnny says no, and if Caleb says no. I'm gonna tell you the reason Caleb says no.
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It's good Johnny Threatening to say no Cuz Caleb would say yes
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But if Caleb says no don't take out on Caleb is Johnny ring Okay, you son you're grounded if you say yes, we're gonna say no routine
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And so that's if I don't blame Caleb So hopefully Johnny does if not
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If Johnny's no Caleb's no because Johnny's gonna make him say no So he doesn't look like his dad look bad, then you can ask
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TT's cousin You tell me about the the
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Jacob Thornton guy Yeah Yeah, I'm actually interested in that one So we got a question here from Philip says question do those who believe water baptism?
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literally saves also believe the bread and Grape juice wine are literally the body of Christ Trey.
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You don't know what the Church of Christ believe, but what do you think? No, because they're inconsistent
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Yeah, and I think this is a good point of inconsistency because clearly Jesus prescribes wine right with the
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Lord's Supper But Church of Christ don't they pretty much pass out grape juice for their communion
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Is ever since Prohibition when they outlawed alcohol in America people went to grape juice? and then a
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Lot of people kept the grape juice After Prohibition, but yeah, they don't they don't think that Plus many of the
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Church Christ, I mean many but I mean there's tons of Southern Baptists that really think that Jesus turned the water into wine and they've been trying to return the favor ever since and turn the wine back into water and Say it wasn't wasn't really wine, right?
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And so yeah, I appreciate this question because it does seem like If you think the the ordinance or sacrament as BDAG says
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We know it comes from the Lutheran bias doesn't mean that they're not great Lexicographers it can give us good insight to church history
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But I just I've tried to remind people that even BDAG whatever lexical source There's always gonna be some bias that we're allowed to challenge with looking at the context of the
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Word of God But if you think that Baptism literally washes away your past sins and literally regenerates your heart and causes you to be born again then
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I think you're I think it's a good point of just saying but if you don't think the bread is literally
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Jesus's flesh and The the wine is literally Jesus's blood
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Been inconsistent and to your point The grape juice is not being prescribed now
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You know, we can continue to have that conversation with many people and I think there's actually liberty in some of those discussions unless your
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Fundamental conviction is we speak where the Bible speaks and we're silent where the Bible silent
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We don't interpret the Bible no creed, but Christ and is legalistic to the core well then to me that's a fantastic point to make because You know, if you're if you're gonna if you're gonna have legalism of the standard then you're gonna die by legalism also
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That's why you fight legalism with legalism Sorry, I'm distracted at me.
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What's going on now Carl all caps tray. That's flat -out stupid oven and sweat
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Why is Carl mad at me now, hey, he's driving be gracious with Carl listen with the
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Church of Christ It doesn't matter what an ex -church of Christ or says it's gonna be wrong and you're gonna be make them mad
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You know what they believe I got one of my one of my really close friends I caught him up one time I said Hey, man, why can't we still hang out?
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Can we not just still hang out? We were like best friends He said yeah, when you come back to church and be friends again, I'm like That's like that's what cults say like That's that's the problem
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You know, we as long if I can come back we'll be friends again and just like man so sad Carl what I say
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What did really what did I say that made you so mad? What is so flat -out stupid of an answer that it's inconsistent like Okay, then maybe
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I do Carl Maybe you do believe it's actually the blood and literally the blood and literally the flesh when you take a me so Carl's driving
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So maybe And sweat Well, it's right
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Hey, thanks for coming on. I just want to put up this graphic again of All Johnny, but if Johnny isn't down for it, maybe
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Caleb is he won't let Caleb do it Cuz it'll make him look bad Well, I have hope you did prove me wrong.
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You did prove me wrong last time with Aaron Gallagher, but I'm hopeful I'm hopeful and I Know these people.
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I know they're kind Hey, I got to believe in something train Gotta have something to hold on to Believe Well, I think it would be a good debate with the
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Robertsons, but if not Sparky made an excellent point. I might have to look into Jacob Thornton They do got over 20k subs.
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This might be right down his alley All right,
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Trey, what do you have any kind of final words as we begin to wrap up You know what after all of this talk
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I've made a 180 Paul Mays Just do
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Paul Mays and he can sing his answers to you What does he sound like That's okay,
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I'm for Paul I'm button Paul Didn't he rat one song speak speak speak where the
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Bible speaks Yeah I'm gonna encourage people I was on a church
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Christ podcast. I think it's been two nights now. I was able to talk with them about the gospel and about Baptism and they said that they didn't mind if I use that content to upload it
01:08:34
I'm probably gonna upload it to my channel tomorrow, but it would last it over two hours, but It was incredible just to be able to answer a lot of church
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Christ questions from people that seemingly are Sincere and have been trained to think one way and so to hear a completely different Paradigm and just to hear really good scriptures that challenge, you know of how they've been thinking one way
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So anyway, if y 'all haven't already seen that I've posted that on the Exiles page and stuff like that But um, yeah,
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I think you would like it too. I'd like to if you say they were sincere I mean there are sincere people in the
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Church of Christ are sincerely looking for truth Sincerely believing what they believe right now to be true and there's nothing wrong.
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I mean, I understand that but they sincerely are warning truth and so man when you find someone who can sincerely have a serious conversation and be consistent and Accept definitions of words because they're wanting to know truth and understands
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God's Word. There's those are the best people to study with what whatever Denomination or whatever they come from and there are good
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People in the Church Christ. I love them and I love when I get to share and study with Those and it just even ask them questions to get them to think about what they're saying like for instance again
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Like I just pray When I wish I could have opportunity to ask this guy
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Questions to think about the things that he wrote and this is why a lot of people in the Church Christ do not write
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About salvation. They don't put it on paper Because it's so contradictory if you just think about it
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But I mean if you're just putting down what you've always believed and you just yeah it makes sense to those who also believe that but when you pause for a second and Think about what you said on one sentence and think about the next sentence and see the complete
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Contradiction there and to see somebody's face go. Oh my goodness. I never realized that I mean, that's just because you're now they're thinking for themselves.
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They're not just Regurgitating what they've always heard so Jeremiah you will not debate maze.
01:10:40
Carl Henry said you were you will not do it. You won't too scared That would be fun,
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I would love that It'll happen. I'm sure Trying to go across the the full rain.
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That's what that's what I've noticed Ray is no matter what Church Christ person I debate. No one's happy.
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Are you didn't debate this guy? Yeah, I never said I wouldn't do it. So I'm just Trying to you're getting destroyed no matter what?
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like Yeah, but then you tell him like well, there's eight Church of Christ preachers who left the
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Church of Christ from hearing that All right. Well, they didn't know what they were talking about One's been doing it 44 years
01:11:24
Well, he doesn't know. Yes. It's always it's just always like push to the side No, no, no, and everybody's out to get us, you know everybody's against us, but uh what else
01:11:36
Well Trey, where can people find some more of your content that this might be some people's first exposure to the fishbone
01:11:45
The parish reformed podcast and The parish of the
01:11:51
Redeemer is our church and the Church of Christ should like that because the parish parish is a congregation
01:11:58
It's a small congregation and it's of the Redeemer. That would be
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Christ. So you can even call it So it's the parish of the Redeemer. It's on Facebook and YouTube And the parish reform is the podcast a lot of Church Christ stuff on that and other things.
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But uh Yeah, check it out. Love you. Love you. Carl Henry Even though we've written a little car looks tray wrong again.
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So it doesn't matter what I thought They I thought they only speak or the Bible speak. I didn't I didn't realize they go outside Why are they right?
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Like here's my question Because if you show them some book like, you know under the Bible like, you know If you have a study
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Bible and you sound like under here see it says this. Well, that's just man's opinion I just want the scriptures. Well, then why are you writing books
01:12:41
Carl? Like those are your those are just man's opinions those books hundreds of them Ain't that crazy?
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That's another thing. They never thought about Well, that's just man's opinion. I just want the Bible You realize when your preacher stands up and he starts preaching and he's not just reading the
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Bible. That's his opinion. That's man's opinion Try don't give me your interpretation Yeah There's just so many like just the the no creed, but Christ we have no creed
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But Christ that's a creed because that's not in the Bible. So therefore that by definition, you know,
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I mean, but there we go We're getting the definitions again, right and it makes a mad like I don't want definitions. I just want the
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Bible like well Trinity I don't believe in the Trinity because the Trinity is not in the Bible. Well, guess what? The Bible is not in the
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Bible either No, sorry, are we gonna define are we gonna define some terms on August 23rd?
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Yes, what's August 23rd? BAM Marlon fix that proposition
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Water baptism is necessary for the forgiveness of sins all your sins past present and future. That's what Zachary Feinberg and Agree to wait
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Marlin said that is the proposition. It's just too long to fit on one graphic Marlin that makes me angry you you're just doing that because of the money
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If somebody paid you money you put it on there wouldn't you mark It was good seeing you again, bye
01:14:11
Carl, I love you Another way of teaching trailer. Here we go.
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He's mad at me again Carl. I love you Carl You know, he's laughing in the truck right now. I'm gonna find you someday
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I'm gonna hug you. I'm start tickling you just to make you like I made I made Carl smile Is this our fishbone?
01:14:30
All right, I'll learn John 6 Carl get me off here before Carl just goes nuts.
01:14:38
Oh Goodness I don't know where the mute button is Well, thank you all so much
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