Twin Girls Saved From Abortion!

Good evening. My name is Jason Walsh. I'm the Executive Director of Arizona Right to Life. For those of you who are watching live stream, and we thank you so much coast to coast, those of you here in the audience, we are here to present on the topic of ending abortion now.

We have tremendous speakers, and the topic is something, obviously, as you're watching this and you're listening, this is something near and dear to your hearts, and we hope to be able to really lay out a biblical rationale for what we want to do in terms of ending abortion now.

So to do this and to be able to get through as many speakers as possible, we're going to start off with the first speaker tonight, which is Jeff Durbin. Jeff is pastor of Apologia Church and host of Apologia Radio and TV.

Jeff Durbin is pastor elder of Apologia Church in Tempe and has worked for many years as a hospital chaplain. Jeff is a popular speaker for camps, conferences, churches, and schools across the nation.

He has participated in outreach to various different religions across the nation and has even engaged in public debate against atheism. His podcast is among the top in iTunes religious section and his television show Apologia TV is seen on the NRB network.

Pastor Durbin.

Thank you very, very much. Thank you guys for joining us this evening, senator in attendance and pro-life groups and for those of you guys watching really literally around the world, I want to tell you guys how grateful we are for you guys joining with us in this event and participating with your churches, live streaming this event, your groups, your abortion mill ministries.

We're grateful and we're humbled that you guys would consider listening and participating with us in ending this great evil in our nation. And so we're grateful. I want to encourage you guys to continue the conversation with us.

You can do that by watching the content that we upload at endabortionnow .com and you can also check out ApologiaRadio .com, listen to the podcast, the TV shows, or we keep you guys up to date on this process as we fight for the justice of the unborn.

We plan on presenting this evening, the foundations of the paradigm shift, the paradigm shift, the biblical, the legal, the scientific, and the historic content and context. So we'd like to encourage you guys to please stick around in the audience, stick around as we lay down the foundations and the basis for ending abortion immediately at the state level.

And I want to start before we get into the explanation tonight and digging into the scriptures as well as the legal issues and the scientific issues, I want to start with a passage of.

Scripture.

Here now is the reading of God's holy word. Proverbs 24 .10. If you are slack in the day of distress, your strength is limited. Deliver those who are being taken away to death and those who are staggering to slaughter or hold them back.

If you say, see, we did not know this, does not he, does he not consider it who weighs the hearts and does he not know it who keeps your soul and will he not render to man according.

To his work?

If you would, pray with me. Father, I want to ask that you'd bless this entire pursuit, Lord, for your glory and for the good of these children. God, I want to plead with you that you would give the men and women that you have put into position of authority, you'd give them courage, God, would you give them, Lord, eyes that see clear what is ahead of them and I pray, God, that you would raise up giants, people who are courageous, Lord, for the sake of these children and for your glory.

God, we ask that you'd move mightily in our nation, God, bring our nation to repentance and at the same time, God, I pray that you'd be glorified in, Lord, stopping the destruction.

Of the fatherless.

And it's in your name we pray.

Amen.

Thank you guys again for joining us. Again, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin, Minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm a pastor at a church called Apologia Church in Tempe, Arizona. And as Jason, my buddy, mentioned, I'm also the host of Apologia Radio.

It's a pretty sweet podcast heard around the world and I think it's great, but that's just my opinion. Also we have a television program, Apologia TV, on the NRB network and it's seen really around the world.

I got into the fight really only a couple of years ago. I was, as a Christian, pro-life in my heart and in my head for a long time. As long as I can remember, I was pro-life and would have fought in any argument to defend the rights of the unborn.

And I didn't do anything about it. And so I was really, again, pro-life in my heart and my head and in my church and in the walls, in between the walls of the church. A couple of years ago, I saw coming across my feed on Facebook, a woman.

And she kept posting these pictures of her with other women and babies. And I saw pictures of her standing outside of abortion clinics, bringing the gospel to an abortion clinic. And it started to stir my heart a little bit.

And I started to see so many of her pictures come across my feed that it got to the point it actually gained my interest and I thought, well, who is this? Her name was Lisa Metzger and she is a sidewalk counselor on the East Coast.

And so I thought that I went to high school with Lisa. She had the same name as a girl that I went to high school with and so I figured she's on my feed because I went to high school with her and that's how we connected somehow.

I didn't know her, reach out to her. I didn't know how she was on my feed. It just sort of appeared there. And I thought she was my high school buddy. And so I sent her a message and I said, hey, I'd love to have you on Apology Radio to talk about your sidewalk ministry and what you do at the abortion clinics and all these babies that are being saved.

And she agreed. And so the day we did the episode, we get her on the line, we're in the studio, we're about to go on. And I said to her, I said, now, Lisa, I said, we went to high school together, right?

And she said, no. And so I said, well, how are we connected? How do we know each other? And she says, I don't know, you tell me. So she didn't know me and I didn't know her. And now we're on the phone together about to do a radio interview and I have no idea how this happened.

And so through the course of the conversation and talking to Lisa Metzger on the phone, she told us in all the years of doing sidewalk ministry, I think about 20 years of sidewalk ministry, she's been in this fight.

She brings the gospel. She offers help. She tries to communicate the grace of God and the seriousness of the situation behind those walls. And they offer help. And she said, when we've saved, I think she said somewhere around 364 babies.

And my jaw dropped. Pastor Luke was with me in the studio and Joy, who were on the show with me, all of us were stunned right there that day. And this moment on the radio program in front of everybody, we didn't realize how big this was.

My mindset of what happens outside of an abortion clinic is people screeching and yelling and a lot of heat and no light and nothing really accomplished. That's what I thought took place outside of abortion clinics.

I knew people did it, but I had never done it myself. And all I had was perception. And so I said, 365 babies. That's insane. 365 babies are alive now because you've gone and you've offered help and you've brought the gospel.

And so she said, yes, last year, 360 some odd babies saved outside of an abortion clinic in one year. And so this stirred the heart of our church. We realized that we needed to get into the fight. It wasn't enough to be pro-life in our heart and in our heads.

We had to do something. And so we didn't know what we were doing, except that we had the message of life. We had the gospel. We had the truth. We had the help. We had the heart and the desire to help these women.

And so we went. And since that time, Apologia Church has gone to local abortion clinics with the good news, with the offer of help and assistance to women, and we've been able to see 50 babies saved from death outside of abortion clinics in Arizona.

And by the grace of God, through that labor and that work, we've talked about it nationally. We've created a bit of godly and righteous controversy across the nation in this respect. And so there are over 20 ministries, we stopped counting at this point, 20 ministries that have started across the nation that now go to abortion clinics with the good news, with the truth, and with the offer of help across the nation as a result of listening to us talk about the issue.

And so God has done a tremendous amount in the life of Apologia Church. I want to encourage you guys with a quick story so that we can remember what we're fighting for, particularly legislators and people who are in positions of power to uphold justice.

I want to remind us who we are fighting for. I was outside of an abortion clinic in Glendale. We were outside the clinic, it was a really rough day, it was a difficult day. We go there with love, we go there with boldness, but we offer help and we call out to these women and we ask them, please let us talk to you, please don't kill your baby, please let us help you, we'll do anything for you, we'll even adopt your child, we'll offer you any services, please come talk to us.

This was a particularly rough day where we were being attacked really on all sides. And after being worn out and worn down, there was a man inside that abortion clinic. And this man inside the abortion clinic was praying while his wife was in the back in pre-op getting ready to have her baby destroyed.

He was praying, God, if you want me to do something, give me a sign. And so he looked outside the window in Planned Parenthood and he saw my friend walking near the front who was actually pretty broken up at that time because he was so worn out.

And he was walking to the front with his sign because he just needed to be alone and in front with the sign, he was thinking in his heart, God, this is worthless, we shouldn't be doing this, we don't need to do this, it's not accomplishing anything.

And this guy inside is praying, God, if you want me to do something, give me a sign. And my friend walks up with his sign and it says, please don't hurt your baby, we'll help.

You.

And so he walks outside to my friend and he says to him, I told God to give me a sign and he says this, I asked God a question, he goes, is that your van over there? And all these vans that were out there, all these vans around, all these cars everywhere, he pointed to a random car.

He had asked God, God, if you want me to stop this, let that van belong to that man. And he points to a random van and he says, is that your van? And my friend looks over and says, that van right there?

He says, yeah, that's my van. And so the guy tells him, he says, I told God, if you wanted me to stop it, to have that van be your van. And my friend says, you got to go in there and get your wife right now.

And he ran inside and he went to the back and Planned Parenthood almost didn't let him go back. And he said, I'll kick the door down if you don't let me go back there. And they let him back there and his wife came out and today, Carmelo is alive.

Carmelo is one of the babies saved from death at Planned Parenthood because Christians had enough courage to stand up and just go and be a witness. But again, to remind everybody who's watching across the nation what exactly it is that we're fighting for, I brought some special guests today.

Pastor Luke, could you get Rebecca and the girls? We have a team that works closely with us outside of Planned Parenthood in Tempe. And this team outside Planned Parenthood was calling into Planned Parenthood and they were offering help.

And a woman was inside for an abortion in Planned Parenthood in Tempe. She could hear believers outside calling in saying, we'll help you. We'll do whatever it takes. We'll adopt your baby. And so Rebecca came out of Planned Parenthood.

She was there for an abortion. She came out of Planned Parenthood. She went up to the other team that's out there and she said, you said you can help me. And so a conversation happened where Sherry told her the truth about what she was about.

To do.

She was about to kill her baby and she pleaded with her and she said, I'll adopt your baby. I'll do whatever it takes. And so as a result of that conversation, Rebecca now has twin girls. She was pregnant with twins that day, Olivia Grace and Kara.

And what I wanted to do today, and we'll figure out how we can get them up here. They can come on up whenever they want. They're out in the back right now. That's the little voices. And as far as I'm concerned, they can cry all they want.

I want to encourage all of us who are listening right now across the nation and around the world and those of us who are in this room right now to remember the context. We're not fighting for something that in theory would be a baby.

We're fighting for real, live flesh and blood children. We're fighting for Olivia Grace and Kara. We're fighting for Carmelo. We're fighting for thousands of these babies a day. I want to remind all of us that 60 million babies have died in our nation since Roe v. Wade.

60 million babies. Let me encourage us all to think about that number and remember something. That is not a number that any of us can really completely understand and fathom. Sixty million babies makes Hitler's Germany just look like a minor bad day.

And this is a Holocaust in our nation with the children in our nation. Three thousand babies a day die. In our nation, that is a 9 -11 every single day in our nation. It happens on a daily basis. In Arizona, we've recently passed some pro-life laws.

And I want to remind all of us to be courageous enough to say something with the pro-life laws passed recently. Babies are still dying tomorrow in Arizona. As much as I am, as a minister of the gospel, grateful to God for every single baby that has been saved because of any incremental law, I need to point out something that should be obvious to all of us.

Sixty million babies is a failure. It's a failure. And we have a responsibility before God, first and foremost, to uphold justice for these fatherless children, to uphold justice for these children who were destroyed, who were decapitated, who are disemboweled, who have their arms and legs torn off their bodies, who are burned with fire, who are poisoned.

We have a responsibility before God to uphold justice for them. And for the legislators who watch this and are present, you have a responsibility before the people of your state to uphold justice for these babies, to protect the lives and property of those under your care.

We believe with all of our hearts that God has ordained civil government, that civil government is God's deacon. It is his servant to uphold justice. Your responsibilities are great. And we ask that you be courageous and listen.

If we could, can I have the girls now?

Are we good?

You're going to come on up, Olivia. Olivia, you want to come up here? Kara, you want to come up here? I want to show you guys these precious girls. Let's tell Rebecca, thank you for coming today. Thank you, Rebecca, so much.

I wanted to introduce you to these precious girls. One of my favorite pictures is a picture online, and it's it's Rebecca outside of Planned Parenthood with the ultrasound. Was it a week later?

Yeah, it's about a week later.

It's about a week. Yeah, I love that picture.

And so she was. She discovered after leaving that she had twin girls.

So this is Olivia. Hi, Olivia. Hi, sweetie.

And this is Kara. And they, I think, are precious. They're two years old now, two years old. And so we want you to know how much we are grateful for you, Rebecca. And I've told you that before. But on our TV show, your courage to talk about what you've been through.

And so we we're very grateful. And real fast, this is really important for people here as well. When when we when you were promised help, there was a baby shower people threw for you.

Right.

And what will happen in the baby shower?

Well, there there was more people than we could fit in the room first. And there were so many gifts that it took so long that at some point I couldn't unwrap things anymore. We just had to go. And there were we couldn't fit them all in the car either.

So we had like three entire not even cars, truckloads of things going back in for twins. I did not I didn't have to purchase diapers for over a year for two of them. It was so it was that much. And I don't think I didn't really have to purchase much of anything other than, you know, clothes as they got older.

So it was not what I expected, you know, but definitely such a blessing. That was that was great.

Thank you, Rebecca, so much. Girls, thank you for coming today.

Bye, sweetie. I'll see you.

Say bye bye.

Bye, Kara.

I'll see you.

Thank you so much, Rebecca. Bye, girls. Thank you. So let's give a round of applause. Thank you guys so much. So I think it's important for us to put flesh on this subject. That's vitally important. Because, listen, when I say three thousand babies a day die, when first of all, when I say it, I can't comprehend it.

I don't understand it. I can't put it together because that's two.

Two babies.

Two. Three thousand die in our nation on a daily basis. This this is what's in front of us. And I think that we have to look beyond just the ideas. We're pro-life, you're pro-choice. And we have to look beyond the kinds of policies where we say you have to widen your hallways and clean your floors.

And no, you're not allowed to sell their parts. And we act like, in our states, that when we pass incremental laws like that, that we've had some sort of a victory. But I want to ask the question, is it a victory when three thousand Olivia Graces and Karas die in our states?

Is it really a victory to say we can't sell their body parts, but we can still kill them in our states? This is not simply, in theory, these are babies. These are three thousand Olivia Graces and Karas every day.

In our nation, one million babies die a year. Let me lay down the biblical case first, which is ultimately the only meaningful worldview in this discussion that can make sense out of this discussion. First and foremost, the biblical discussion.

This is a gospel issue. The nature of the unborn and the demand for justice in scripture. We'll lay out, of course, the scientific, in that it is an irrefutable fact that we are human beings at conception.

The only biological difference between the baby in the womb, and all of us in this room, and those who are watching across the country, is a difference of degree. That's the science. The legal issue is the states have the right and the responsibility to uphold justice for the fatherless immediately.

First and foremost, the gospel. The problem is inherent. The problem is a problem of the hearts. When we approach this issue as Christians, when we go to the abortion clinics, the first thing we recognize is this, is that there is no difference fundamentally between the person who is going behind those doors and into those walls and into that clinic and the person standing outside of it.

We are all sinners before the same God. We recognize that the problem of abortion clinics in our nation, the problem of abortion in our nation, is ultimately a problem of the heart. It's this problem of sin.

That's the problem. We recognize with the gospel that the problem is sin, and the only solution in transforming people's hearts in our nation is through the good news. The grace of God offered in Jesus Christ, and that's the message that we bring to the abortion clinics.

I want to say this very, very clearly. I believe respectfully and with humility that one of the great failures of the pro-life movement the last 40 years is that we have been afraid to stand on the foundation of the word of God as the basis of our fight against this great evil.

And when we do not stand on the foundation of the scriptures, we lose in this battle. We cannot change people's hearts and minds by abandoning our foundations. And I want to say that the first responsibility the church has in this issue, in terms of rescuing babies today, is to go to the abortion clinics where it is actually taking place.

And when we go to these abortion clinics, we bring a message that is threefold. Number one, it is a message of, number one, the truth. What is actually about to take place behind those walls? Answer, murder.

That is vitally important for us to state. When we are not honest about this issue and what takes place behind those walls, we cannot effectively communicate to anybody the necessity to legislate against it.

And if we are not honest about what takes place behind those walls, we cannot effectively communicate the love of God and the grace of God in Jesus Christ. Because we need to communicate what is true in this instance.

Let me just say this. It should be obvious to all of us. When you tear the arms and legs off of a little girl and you crush their skull and you disembowel them and you pull their little body pieces out and put them together on a tray again, you have murdered that little girl.

And that happens over and over and over in our nation. And the only hope we have is in the gospel. The Bible says the gospel is the power of God for salvation. It is what God uses to open people's hearts and their minds and to draw them into a relationship with himself.

So for the church, first and foremost, when we go to abortion clinics, we tell the truth. This is murder. God commands you not to kill your baby. And we tell them the second thing. That is that there is forgiveness and there is peace with God in Jesus Christ.

If they turn from their sin to God to trust in Christ and in Christ alone, we offer the good news of salvation and the gift of eternal life. We stand with the women who are behind those doors equal before Christ as fallen people in need of God's grace.

We're not better than them in any way. But the truth is they need to turn from sin. And in this moment, the sin they need to turn from and the crime they need to turn from is what's taking place behind those walls.

And that is the murder of their own childs. So first and foremost, we tell the truth. Second, it is the gospel. And the third thing we offer women all the time outside of an abortion clinic is we offer them help.

We tell them we will give you anything you need. Do you need money? Do you need a place to stay? Do you want us to adopt your child? We'll help you. We'll buy you cribs.

We'll buy you diapers.

We'll throw you big bashes and showers for your baby. We'll give you anything you need. Please do not destroy your child. We'll help you. First and foremost, this is a gospel issue. Second, the nature of the unborn.

We know from Scripture, Psalm 139, God says this, that he knits us together in our mother's womb. We are fearfully and wonderfully made. That is fundamental to what we say in the pro-life movement.

Amen?

Is that right? I mean, when we say we're pro-life, we're pro-life for a reason. Correct? Oftentimes in this debate, people have said, well, we should try a backdoor. We should slip in the backdoor and use more secular language, something that will make it more palatable, easier for them to grab hold of.

I want to say this, that the reason we're pro-life is because we believe that God creates people uniquely in his image, and he creates them in his image in their mother's womb. That's where all of this begins.

The Bible teaches us that God creates us in our mother's womb. It's an amazing thing when you think about the story of John the Baptist and Jesus. Now, go with me now for a second. John the Baptist and Jesus.

John is in his mother's womb, Elizabeth, and Jesus is in Mary's womb, and they come together. And what happens in the text? It says John the Baptist gets some hops. He starts leaping in the womb.

Why?

Because he's excited that he's near the Messiah. But here's John the Baptist in the womb, leaping for joy about Jesus in Mary's womb. I think we need to be fundamentally honest here in this discussion.

We're pro-life because we're Christians.

Amen?

And we have to recognize, of course, you have people who are not Christians that recognize the value of the unborn in the womb. People like Christopher Hitchens, famous atheist who was pro-life, he recognized the value of a human being in the womb.

But we have to recognize, fundamentally, we're in this fight saying what we're saying because we are Christians, and we can make sense of what is inside the womb. God knits us together in our mother's womb.

We recognize that the Bible teaches that God created human beings different than animals. We are in the image of God. We are imago Dei. We are reflections, in a sense, in the world of God himself. And so human beings are to be treated with value and dignity because it is an inherent thing from conception.

So first and foremost, the nature of the unborn needs to be recognized. As Christians, we have to ask ourselves the question, are we being consistent with our convictions? Let me ask that. Are we being consistent with our convictions?

Because we do say that that baby is in the image of God. We do say that we are image of God from conception. Biblically speaking, that's what we say. And so I ask the question to myself, am I being consistent with what I say is going on there?

When we talk about this issue nationally, when we speak into the culture and we say, this is what's happening. These babies are being torn apart in the womb. Are we acting consistently with that claim or is it a click?

Is it a club?

Is it something that we just say? Is it something that gets us elected? Is it something that helps us get dollars? Are we willing to take the risks necessary to rescue these unborn babies? Are we willing to do what it takes to rescue the next Olivia Grace and Cara?

Because that is ultimately what is at stake. Babies are in the image of God. The next thing I want to talk about is from the scriptures quickly is Exodus 21, 22 through 23. Very important text to maybe go to later.

It's a text in the law of God in respect to babies in the womb. It's actually a case law example.

Okay.

It's a fantastic example. Image of God in the womb, knit together, fearfully and wonderfully made. All my days ordained before there's even one of them. That's the biblical text about babies in the womb.

And there's much, much more, right? A lot more. I've been squeezed into time here, guys. And everyone right now is like, Jeff, you are not doing so well.

Okay.

Okay. But we have to recognize that God's law actually has case law. Now, by the way, our American system of case law was based off of biblical law. There can be no refutation of the fact that our system of government, including the lesser magistrates and all the system we have, was based off of a biblical system of government.

But in Exodus 21, 22 through 23, there's a case law example of if two men are fighting case law and they actually hit a woman and it actually leads to the death of her child in her womb, then it shall be judicially life for life.

Life for life. In other words, in God's law, if you took somebody's life, the judicial system said that it was life for life. If you killed somebody, life for life. And in this case, if you actually affect the death of a child in the womb, God's word says it is life for life.

In other words, that baby in the image of God has as much value and is worthy of the justice due in.

This case.

Exodus 21, 22 through 23. Babies are made again in the Imago Dei. Next point I'm going to show everybody today, and there's so much more we could go to, but just I'm going to show you a particular point in the text of God's word.

And we get into the other discussion for a moment here, Isaiah chapter 1. Isaiah chapter 1. And I'd like to encourage everybody who's in this fight, who is pro-life, everybody who's an abolitionist, who wants to see an end to this, I'd encourage everybody who professes faith in Christ and loves God to listen closely to this text.

Isaiah chapter 1, the people of God before Babylon, before the captivity, hear from God. And this is what God says to them in Isaiah chapter 10. He says, hear the word of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom, give ear to the instruction of our God, you people of Gomorrah.

What are your multiplied sacrifices to me, says the Lord? I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed cattle, and I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs, or goats. When you come to appear before me, who requires of you this trampling of my courts?

Bring your worthless offerings no longer. Incense is an abomination to me, new moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies. I cannot endure iniquity in the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts.

They have become a burden to me. I am weary of bearing them. So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you. Yes, even though you multiply prayers, I will not listen. Listen, listen, your hands are covered with blood.

Here's a moment in the life of the people of God where God says to them, don't bother praying. Don't bother with your assemblies, your church gatherings. Don't bother with the worship services. Don't bother with all of the programs.

Don't bother with the schedule. He says, don't bother. I don't want it.

Why?

Your hands are covered with blood. God does say to all of us who profess faith in him that there is a particular point where there is so much injustice that he doesn't want to hear it. He doesn't want to hear the multiplied prayers.

He doesn't want to hear about the assemblies. He doesn't want the offerings. What does he want? He wants justice. And he says in his word here, he says, verse 16, listen, please, closely with humility.

I present this before you, wash yourselves, make yourselves clean, remove the evil of your deeds from my sight. Listen, listen, cease to do evil, learn to do good, seek justice, reprove the ruthless, defend the orphan.

Plead for the widow. God does call us to more than simply professions. God calls us to more than simply saying with our lips, I believe this or that. And I believe with all of my heart that God calls us in this issue of abortion in our nation, he calls us to uphold justice for the fatherless.

He calls us to take great risks, to step outside of what we have been doing and to step into a new place where we stand on God's word and we plead for the cause of the fatherless takes courage. And I want to call all of us to courage in our convictions, to go beyond the hypocrisy of saying one thing with our lips and having a shell saying, I believe this about the unborn.

But not being willing to do really what it takes to end it. I want to call us away from hypocrisy. God demands justice for the unborn. And I want to say that finally, we need to pay attention quickly to the myth of neutrality.

Let me say this. This is very important, particularly for legislators. The myth of neutrality, it's a myth. The person you talk to is not neutral and neither are you. The amazing thing here is that as the pro-life movement has moved forward to fight for the lives of babies, and they have, we've acted many times like we need to play neutral in the conversation.

And the amazing thing that we haven't recognized for some reason is that we're the ones pretending neutrality. The opposition is not. We pretend neutrality, but they don't. It's a myth. Jesus said, you are either with me or against me.

Jesus gives a parable. You know it. You've sang it probably in church before, right? The picture that Jesus gives about a wise man and a foolish one. He says there's a wise man who builds his house upon a rock and there's a foolish one that builds it upon the sand.

So you have two men, two foundations, and Jesus says two destinations. One makes it through the storm, when the wind and the rain and the storm come, it beats against the house, both houses by the way, one makes it through and the other one, Jesus says, what?

It ends in desolation. And Jesus says that the person who doesn't build their life upon the rock is the fool and they end in desolation. And so the question you have to ask, you have to ask yourself philosophically speaking, legally speaking, religiously speaking, is whether or not you're standing on the rock.

Because remember that as you face the opposition in the world of abortion and those who are pro-choice, they're not neutral and don't pretend to be. They are violently opposed to the biblical worldview and the idea that mothers and fathers should not be allowed to kill their babies in the womb.