More Ergun Caner Errors

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Ergun Caner, Hadith Terminology, and the Evangelical Cover-Up

My name is Adam Miki. I'm a Giovanni. I'm there. I am the son of a jar Mehmet John there. I Was raised for the first 17 years of my life as a Sunni Muslim a jar Mehmet John there. My father was a muadhin.

He was an ulema. Muadhin is the one who does the call to prayer in the minaret When ulema is a scholar of the hadith. I was raised in the mosque and raised and Brought here to America to be a missionary to you.

Well, it sounds awful familiar, but a new video has appeared with some new Information that once again casts very serious doubt upon the excuses That have been posted by dr Norman Geisler and haven't haven't received any updates for a number of months now.

In fact the Geisler camp the Ankerberg camp have gone absolutely positively silent in regards to the refutations of their material and the questions that have been asked of them and Yet the great evangelical cover-up Continues on what you just heard was a number of things first of all another example of where Ergen Kanner exaggerated his father's scholarship.

Where he likewise instead of calling him an alim, which is a scholar said he was an ulema. Ulema is the plural so he said he was a scholars and identified him as a scholars of hadith. Now the hadith of course are one of those things that have tripped up Ergen and Ymir Kanner.

Because in their book unveiling Islam and the majority of references they forget to cite the hadith in a meaningful fashion. And that is one of the questions that continues to be unanswered by dr. Norman Geisler.

I have asked him to please identify using the methodology utilized by the Kanners in Citing the hadith literature to identify hadith 2425 and To tell us why that is an important hadith relating to the Quran, of course, dr Geisler can't do that Which is why he hasn't answered and will not answer and will not even deem it proper or appropriate to answer because he's been caught.

He has been exposed and he knows it and there's nothing he can do about it without admitting That his defense of Ergen Kanner is fallacious and he's simply not going to do that. Unfortunately, and so there you just heard the the assertion that an ulema Which it means scholars is a scholar of hadith.

Well, the the the ulema as a whole Muslim scholars certainly in Sunni Islam Study the hadith the various collections of hadith such as Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Muslim, Jami 'at Termite, etc, etc. But They are more than that they first of all have to be scholars of the Quran First and foremost to really qualify in that way.

Then later on he he goes on to make the following statements in this in this video.

The Quran is one big monologue. Supposedly one long utterance from Allah.

Let me just stop it there for just a moment. That that's just not true, I mean if you've read the Quran, you know better. I mean they do believe that that Allah sent it down to Muhammad to be recited but there are citations of Lucifer in the Quran and and of other people.

It's right there. If you've actually read it yourself You are aware of those things, but the hadith is different.

Any Muslim who's worth a salt knows what the hadith is.

Which would evidently mean that Ergin Kanner is not a Muslim worth his salt because he doesn't know the difference between Sahih al-Bukhari Sahih al-Muslim, Jami 'at Termite, Sunan al-Bukhari and stuff like that, which you know, you would.

Talk about hanging yourself on your own petard, you know.

There there you go. But anyway, there are actually scholars called a hadith Who spend their lives studying this Muslim version or Muslim counterpart to the Jewish Talmud.

Actually a hadith is simply the plural of hadith. What he just said is that there are Muslim scholars called hadiths who study the hadith. It's Mu is the term that you would use. Mahadi would be the studyers the the scholars of the of the hadith but.

And there you how can you expect someone who clearly has spent almost no time whatsoever with the hadith. To know anything about the hadith or to know that a hadith is actually just the plural. When you don't know that ulema is the plural of alim.

So that that that sort of makes make some sense. What makes all this so sad aside from the great evangelical cover-up being headed up by Norman Geisler and the fact that it's working. Is this. You'll notice that Folks like John Ankerberg have not responded to the refutation of their endorsements of Ernie Cantor.

And I think we know why. Listen to these words from.

John Ankerberg. All right back. We're talking about the truth about Islam and jihad with renowned scholar. Dr Ymir Cantor who's probably with his brother the world's foremost Scholars on Islam and comparing it with Christianity.

World's foremost scholars on Islam now I remember I I got attacked a number of months ago because I I pointed out they're making claims about themselves. Oh, they know that they're just students. They don't and they're Ymir Cantor sits and now I understand I'll give him break.

I've had people say things while interviewing me that I was just going where in the world did they get that? And and if I can I try to correct any misapprehensions, but There's a there's another quote from another I think it was a Jewish program where they were talking with Ernie Cantor and said, you know He's the one to go to he's the and the sad thing is folks He might they might they might get away with continuing to represent themselves in this way.

This is a small podcast ours is a relatively small voice and Though I know in talking with people in the apologetics community the words gotten out there. But unfortunately when it comes to the big conferences and stuff like that That's still very very dominated by politics and I'm not a politician and I'm not interested in playing politics.

I won't play politics, but there are people who are consummate politicians and who have a tremendous amount of Authority when it comes to politics and hence to money and if they have chosen to Engage in the cover-up like Norman Geisler has well They may succeed they may succeed.

Would it really surprise anybody looking at the state of affairs in evangelicalism United States? That someone would get away with this. It doesn't surprise me at all and it doesn't discourage me in the sense that This has happened down to the history of the church and there is a day coming when the truth will be known and the motivations that people had will be laid out on the table and the politics will be exposed and the money will be exposed and You know justice and righteousness will prevail and that's my hope and so I just keep doing what I can do.

And what seems to be best and move on from there such as tomorrow evening Engaging Abdullah Kunda in a debate on ABN that's abnsat .com 5 o 'clock my time 8 o 'clock Eastern Time. Very important subject one that I'll be perfectly honest with you I'm glad Ergen Kanner is not doing debates on and has never done debates on and that is Christianity and Islam assurance of salvation in both.

How do you have assurance of salvation as a Muslim in comparison to How a Christian has assurance of salvation very very important topic will be on live. It will be a video debate and so You shouldn't be overly surprised to see the video that will be coming from my office is the same video.

That you see on my on my videos on YouTube. And I I just wonder if Abdullah Kunda will make any comment about my green lava lamp that is the question. Will there be any commentary on the green lava lamp.

The fact of those young guy he may even know what it is. He may you know, that's pretty cool. Yeah, you weren't around the 70s were. So anyway, that'll be tomorrow night 8 o 'clock Eastern Time 5 o 'clock my time, which is currently Pacific Daylight Time, which is actually Mountain Standard Time.

Blah blah blah. In fact, we need to be looking for when's that switch over that is that next month October? Some somewhere around there. Yeah. Well, we got to find out because then everybody goes and plays their clocks.

And so we got to play with ours and all that kind of stuff. No, we don't need to find out. It's everybody else. No, we do because I have what we don't change. I know we don't change but we still have to interface everybody who does.

And not only that I've got a half got your face with and I've got atomic clocks and not all of them have the daylight Savings time turn off switch and so it's just a pain. Anyway, one more thing before we go to our calls.

About two weeks ago or so maybe a little bit more. Well, thank you Lu just told me Abdullah Kunda surely watched scooby-doo. I Don't know if he did or not. He is in Australia. I'm not sure how big scooby-doo was in Australia, but maybe maybe it got down there.

I don't know I would about two two and a half three weeks. I forget how long it was now. I'm looking forward to doing this ride again. Once it's stinking cools down out here, which it is not doing right now.

It's gonna be back up to 103 on Saturday. But I did a ride out Dynamite Road. Anybody who lives in the area goes up northeast Dynamite Road goes way out into the middle of nowhere out toward the Superstition Mountains.

And it's a big climb up then a big huge nine mile hill down and then you have to turn around and climb back up The hill you just climbed up. It's how it works. And I was listening to a bunch of unbelievable radio programs and Oh Justin I'm sorry.

I Justin sent me a promo audio. I was gonna play and I'll be happy to play Justin's promo audio if I remember to transfer over this computer. Sorry, Justin, my apologies, but I will I will play Justin's Promo audio for unbelievable.

I do enjoy listening to the program. But I was listening to a bunch of bunch of Justin Audios to a bunch of unbelievable programs while I was riding in that ride and I was listening to the sort of follow-up program they did to when Psy was on and talked about Presuppositionalism and They had some definitely non presuppositionalists on with an atheist the same atheists as I have been on with and these are all people that have participated in the online forums at the premier Christian radio network and the unbelievable online forums that you can get on to and stuff like that and It was somewhat interesting to listen to until I got to this one point and this is a Christian speaking I don't remember who they were.

I I'm I'm not trying to pick on this one particular person, but this was just such a Bad example of This Just grossly unbiblical view of the gospel I had to comment on I I I Determined I was gonna do that as I was coming back down that hill and I just haven't done it and I just need to.

I Feel it's absolutely necessary to do this here. There is an atheist in the channel I'm not sorry in the studio and this guy's already given him his Bible, which is very nice. But the problem is when Psy had talked with this atheist.

This is the very atheist that Psy Brueghenkate had gotten to Start abandoning the need for logic rationality. I mean he had done a good job getting him to say well, you know I just don't think we need to be quite that rational, you know.

And it's pretty rare to have the atheist, you know doing that. But now you got guys who aren't going Psy's direction, you know and they're just talking about emotions and feelings and and Getting together with people and and all the rest of this stuff.

I never heard a call for repentance. I never heard the absolute Lordship of Christ proclaimed with clarity. It was troubling on that level but this section Just about made me crash. Okay. I was coming back down dynamite.

So I was I was about 25 26 miles an hour and I heard this. I'm certain that I was making Discernible guttural sounds even as I was riding by. You just have to listen and you'll see here's Here's part of the discussion on the unbelievable radio podcast.

I think we are so self-sufficient that when you finally rise to the dignity of despair and I think God will put you through a desert and If you you you you just you just check in your pride and you do what the Bible asks.

Which is you know, Jesus, I don't believe in you but if you're there come into my life and He promises that He will answer. That's a promise from God. And so if you want evidence Go try that.

Do you hear that? I I rolled it back and I listened to it again. With all the respect I can muster in my heart to this man who calls himself a Christian my friend. That is not the gospel in any way shape or form I may I say to the atheist to whom this was said, please sir.

Do not be confused. That is not the gospel. Jesus is not a self-help methodology. Jesus is not a whitening pace that you put on your teeth try it for a month. And if it doesn't work give you your money back.

You don't try Jesus. There is nothing about repentance there and in fact what you just heard was Say to Jesus I don't believe in you. But do something for me anyways, and that'll give you your evidence.

Be an unbeliever. No repentance no faith, but Jesus will do something for you. Anyways, I'm sorry That is so far from anything that any apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ ever Stated ever said ever wrote ever taught ever preached.

That It amazes me. Someone didn't just jump out of their chair and say what? What did you just say? Did you just tell an unbeliever true to remain an unbeliever? But to see if Jesus would like do something for him, you know.

You know heal his back make his shorter leg as long as his longer leg, you know. Make his hair start growing back on his bald head something. But you don't have to believe in Jesus, but Jesus will do something for you and that will give you your evidence.

I'm sorry That is so far removed from the gospel that I'm left stuttering if I had been in the studio, I Even if it had been the last time I was in the studio, I would have had to say excuse me, but I That is not the gospel.

The gospel does not say be an unbeliever and then Jesus will do something for you. If you'll just sort of maybe nod his direction the thing that was so that concerned me so much about almost everything that was said to that atheist and See since he had been on with the presupposition.

This is sort of like well, let us let us get our shot sigh challenged this man's autonomy. He challenged him to recognize that God is God and he isn't and these guys didn't. At least this guy didn't it was all about allowing the unbeliever to remain an unbeliever and to judge God and That was I think a real real eye-opening contrast Between a biblical apologetic.

Which says you you speak the truth in love you tell the man you are the creature of God. God Created you God made you and you have responsibilities before your creator. Now the rebel sinner doesn't like that.

But you see if you're dependent upon the rebel sinner liking your methodology and liking your message. You're never gonna see anybody saved. Because the reality is it's only the Spirit of God that brings spiritual life and The message of the gospel is supposed to be offensive to the rebel sinner.

Not something that makes him feel warm and fuzzy and so when I heard that I was Absolutely positively blown away by What was said and by the assertion that Jesus I I don't believe in you but what. That's not the gospel folks don't don't get confused don't be confused that is not the gospel.

Three oh, yes, I understand. So with that, let's go to our phone calls. And in fact. So this is this is a regular phone call not not a Skype phone call. Regular phone call. Okay. All right, so we're gonna we're gonna go across the pond here and into Europe and We are going to talk with Peter in Peter of Deutschland good and talk my hair be gates missing in.

Yeah, yeah, he shall be nice to your guest. Yes, I remember your phone call on on a BN even though it was. It's a little bit difficult sitting on the set because there's this this one speaker back behind the the cameras and there's almost always a delay between when brother Joseph You know says you're on the air and then there's sort of this delay and eventually the voice comes up.

But yes, I remember I remember your phone call. Yes, sir.

Real player on and I hear this and it's like 20 seconds later. Yes. Yes. Well, there's there's always some type of a delay.

When it comes to the internet, but.

What can we do for you today? Okay, I I need help. And what might be a little difficult? Okay, I have to tell you first Gotta give me a little time. I try to make it brief where I'm coming from. I am PK.

My dad is a pastor. Mm-hmm, and he's in retirement now, so I've been a Christian all my life and you know. And I was my 20 years married my wife. She is a Christian. She's actually from Columbus, Ohio, by the way.

Did she know Eric and Cantor. I Don't know. But Funny thing is she is she is she's a gospel singer and she was in my dad's church when he was still working and She was one of the lead singers and I she was on the gospel tour in Germany, right?

And then I talked to him this is how I So then we got married like a couple years after that and eight years ago. Anyway, so and since I'm together with my wife she kind of you know brought me Close up to God again.

Mm-hmm. I never left but I was you know Didn't pay much attention to the whole thing. How for some reason I'm Started to be like two or three years ago be very interested in Islam. Want to convert or so, but what they are doing?

I know personally Muslims a lot actually Closer you get to those people they were real light up by themselves and I Figured there's something wrong there and the internet and the research and I stumbled over Vali Chabad.

You probably know about him, right? Yes, I do and I was done this way at looking at the Bible. So then I looked further than I saw You also on on a BN on YouTube and I open us to me I never Thought such a clear Picture of God if I can say it that way.

When Jesus is on the clock in me Muslims used us to trap Christians, right? I never paid much attention to it. But now I know he's quoting from 22 and then when you read it, oh, it makes perfect sense, right?

Right, exactly. So and what I'm trying what I need help for is I don't have anyone Who I can talk to really about this, I mean I can talk to my parents with my dad idiot. You're all thinking about it.

Hmm. I mean they always told me a Israel is crucial. You have to watch out, but it was happening in Israel. And yes, those are God's people I he told me that all the time. I've been raised like that to a pastor a couple of days ago.

And he said Islam is possibly involved in that. Together he was stunned. He didn't know nothing about it. Hmm.

It sounds like the I'm not quite sure about the the issues regarding Israel and things like that, but. It sounds like what you're saying is you don't seem to find in the churches nearby you a whole lot of interest or zeal for sound theology and in-depth theology.

Exactly, I won't. I want to have intelligent conversation with other Christians share point of views and ask maybe questions and then you know share ideas and. Then they've got those guys from X 17, for example, right, right?

I Like what they're doing, but the idea on trial right now and.

Well, yeah, and obviously they have Rather pressing things that they have to do as well. So exactly obviously that kind of Fellowship is something that you look for in in your local area. Now, obviously I I've not even had the privilege yet of Traveling in Deutschland.

I would love to come I'd probably at least be able to order my food but but So I I'm afraid I'm not gonna be able to be of much assistance as far as directing you to any Solid works in Germany because that's just not something that I'd be familiar with however we do have people that listen from around the world and it's it's possible that someone might contact us and I know that there's at least one of the individuals who runs the Answering Islam website is German and I believe if I'm correct that he still lives in Germany.

So you you might want to contact the the webmaster at answering islam .org. It's answering dash islam .org. Yes. Yeah answering dash islam .org One of the the primary people that runs that website is is in Germany and hence probably would be the best person I can think of off top my head to Direct you toward people that would be Theologically sound and especially familiar with issues relating to to Islam.

Yeah, but obviously finding a solid well-balanced church is Difficult enough in the United States. It's far more difficult in the very secularized world of the European Union and So a part of What is certainly helpful to some people that I know of in those areas is the internet does provide a large amount of Recordings.

Certainly sermon audio .com is a is a real resource. I was using that this week Sermon audio s e r m o n a u d i o I Understand each first day Sermon audio .com.

Like all you like like sound. Yes. Yes. Sermon audio .com.

You can find some tremendous Ministries there. My own church is is there and there are many other churches very sound churches. Where you know, it's it's not the same thing as talking with someone but you can find some tremendous resources there as far as teaching and In-depth exegesis of the of the text is concerned.

So there a lot of people do find The internet to be extremely helpful when they find themselves in a situation. A lot of our military men for example have contacted me and they've spent time in Iraq or Afghanistan and they said their iPod is what kept them sane during that time because there wasn't much else that they could that they could do.

But hopefully that local contact there through answering dash Islam org can can direct you to maybe some Some churches that you're not aware of in your area that might be of assistance to you.

I really appreciate it and I want to share one thing with you and the listeners here. That you know what's going on in Europe. One example was about a year ago a Pastor natural from a local church. Yeah, but he was like, I don't know how to call in English.

But he was like a pastor for several churches in one if you have all the states in Germany like Bavaria like Berlin, you know and from an entire state the head of the church from that entire German state from the Lutheran Church in Germany, he recommended a prayer for Christians and Muslims together.

Mm-hmm. So he was about to invite Muslim Scholars or imams or whomever and they wanted to make a prayer together, which is a no-no that you know. Well, there's there obviously.

There there is a very strong Pressure placed upon Christians in Europe to be inclusive. Stick to not Say that Jesus Christ is the only way and therefore to water down the gospel and the claims of Christ and Therefore to seek some type of least common denominator between various religions.

And that certainly happens Amongst the monotheistic religions the Abrahamic religions Christianity Islam and Judaism. Where let's just drop our distinctives. Well, the reality is while liberal Jews might be able to get away with something like that a Believing Muslim and a believing Christian cannot do that.

It's just not possible to do that. And so it really is a pressure that's to abandon the Christian faith. So I'm yeah, I'm well aware. That's what you have there in Germany and and it's even worse in certain of the Scandinavian countries and.

Yes, yes. Yeah, it's amazing. So my dad when he retired he auditioned other pastors to follow up ministry, right and. And the one was there. He didn't even believe in Jesus's resurrection as the pastor.

Can you imagine? No, I can't unfortunately. I've I've I.

And and unfortunately it is it is your own land especially around the area around to begin. And the the New Testament studies that came out of there in the 1800s the late 1800s that has laid the foundation for so much of the decay of Christianity.

In the last it really has so. It's it's a shame and I unfortunately See this happening in the United States as well just not nearly as quickly. And if we don't look your direction and see the Havoc that it's that it brings we will we will merrily march our way right down the same the same path if we don't learn from the errors of others, so.

Be be listening tomorrow night Peter for my debate with Abdullah Kunda on ABN.

Tomorrow night tomorrow tomorrow night. Yeah, I'm always watch when the English stuff is on I don't make but when the English stuff is on I usually watch. Yes. I'm checking it out. By the way some debates.

From Nabil, you know Nabil right? Nabil Qureshi. Yes, exactly. And and he was really winning that debate. Clearly and a Muslim is on YouTube Muslim by choice put it on and he thought he was winning. Oh, yes, of course Didn't.

Yes, yes very much so. It is it is amazing how often Individuals will think that they they performed wonderfully. Well, I certainly would not surprise me at all if the fellow you were talking about is Osama Abdullah because.

Farhan Qureshi, yeah. The same name like.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah Farhan now Farhan's a different type of fellow. But yeah Farhan I've I've debated Farhan and and probably will again the future. He's he's one of the guys I respect but there is. Yes, he is there.

There is a blindness. Well Abdullah Kunda my my opponent tomorrow evening is is one that I that I respect as well so but some of them like Osama Abdullah Absolutely implode and but always think that they want another Achmed is another one like that.

So yes, there there is a level of blindness there that that is without question. Hey Peter. We got a bunch of other folks calling. No, no problem at all. I should have that I are of Deutsch gelernt in Hochschule and Into.

So, thank you.

Okay, thank you and God bless you and thanks for all the information. It really helped me good and tough done.

I'm gonna but but all right. What's wrong? What are you laughing at? Did nothing go on? Okay. All right. Let's get to the folks who've been waiting longest here and let's talk with.

Romans 7 and the Scope of Paul’s Argument

Kyle hi Kyle. Hi, dr. White. Good I I Have a question, I don't want you to get too deep into it if you don't want. On Romans 7 fairly well-known reformed theologian he said that that we need to keep in mind that that Romans was written to a congregate or to to where the congregation would have had it had it read to him all at once.

And he kind of used this as a Way to basically say if you're reading too far into it that that may not be you're kind of Getting going overboard on what Paul might have made of meant because you know, it would have been heard all at once and The detail of these really thick commentaries would you know Paul would kind of chuckle at because you know.

Well, what do you is that is that a valid no, I I don't think that it is not. Now there certainly is a method of interpretation that Becomes so obtuse and so Picayune I suppose would be the term that that I could at least understand some criticisms of Where some scholars go some scholars get so deep into the woods that they couldn't find their way back out the compass but or a GPS device, but real meaningful critical commentaries are are seeking to get to that very level of Understanding of what someone would have understood had they been in the original audience.

That was that was hearing that epistle for the first time. And so all they're doing the the in-depth Material that you find in for example, Douglas Moo's commentary on Romans or Murray's commentary on Romans to the best that you can get is is certainly obviously a huge 500 page volume is much more than the original papyri Letter that was delivered to the Romans.

But why is that there because we're living 2 ,000 years later and we're living in a different culture and we're living speaking a different language and so all that extra stuff is Meant to put us back in the position of Understanding what was originally spoken and that not only is talking about the language and the relationship But it's also talking about putting Romans in the context of the rest of Paul's letters which is a perfectly valid thing to do because in some situations anyways, not in the letter to the Romans, but In a secondary sense Paul had taught many of these congregations things orally.

And at least the people at Rome would have been taught by people that Paul himself had taught or or had been. The church had been founded by people that he himself been trained. And so We're missing some of the context they would have had and so the commentary is seeking to Consistently place Paul's words within the rest of what he said.

Which having someone, you know coming along who knows Paul back then would have provide the same type of thing. It's seeking to address the language issues the proper translation issues the context issues.

That's why a commentary that's a good commentary like that It's gonna be as big as it is is it seeking to fill in those particular aspects? And so I don't think it's valid to say well, you know, it was only you know A certain number of papyri sheets long when it was first delivered.

Why do you need some it's 500 pages now? Well because we have a lot of questions about what would have been originally written. Some questions that are asked in commentaries are beyond the scope of what the author was originally intended to communicate that that may be quite true.

But the vast majority of the good Commentaries, you know, I'm using very much as I'm preaching through Hebrews FF Bruce Hughes O 'Brien's new pillar commentary on on Hebrews. I'm finding useful material in all of these.

To enlighten me as to backgrounds and uses and all sorts of things like that which distance and time Have introduced to the issue and you have one other thing and that is We are asking questions now in our context that not that would not necessarily been asked then.

But still, you know, we need to have answers to and so I don't think it's valid. Just simply say well, you know, all that stuff is is is worthless. It's going far beyond what the original writer would have.

You know considered I think that Paul Would have expected his audience to do do due diligence to understand what he was saying in the context He was saying it and good commentaries. That's what they're that's what they should be doing.

Okay.

You you mentioned Douglas Moo, do you. Would you uh, would you fall on his side of the line on Romans 7?

What's his what's his what's his. There's a you know. The big dispute in Romans 7 is is this a Christian or non-christian speaking here? And I don't remember off the top of my head where Moo came down on that.

I I'm sorry. He says that it's a it's a hypothetical Old Covenant Jew. Yeah.

No, I I wouldn't I wouldn't come down that on that side. I think I would take the more I think the more common view that that Paul is describing his own situation there and because I'd. But anyway, that that's that's okay.

Yeah. All right, give us 877 -753 -3341. Let's talk to Tanner up in Nevada. Hi Tanner.

Zoroastrianism, Hell, and the Charge of Parallelomania

Hi, dr. White, thanks for taking my call. Yes, sir. I'm sorry to call in a lowly landline, but that's okay. Anyway I'm a student at the University of Nevada, Reno and this semester. I'm taking a world religions class.

The professor is Very against Christianity. He speaks out against it on a regular basis and I actually Somewhat appreciate it because it gives me a bit of a platform Christianity when I can Through asking questions and things like that, but something he brought up that I I just don't know how to respond to is he claims that early Judaism and Christianity even Stole the concept of founder of Zoroastrianism and I have never heard this before.

No, I don't know how to respond to and I was curious or how you would respond. Well, it's a common assertion amongst.

World religion profs who are infected with parallelomania. Which is the idea that since there cannot be any divine revelation Then you have to find something other than divine revelation as the source of everything In a religion and so since there is a greater Clarity in the New Covenant scriptures on the nature of the afterlife but that couldn't have come from revelation you can't have something like in continuing revelation in the sense of Old Covenant to New Covenant and Anything like that you can't have fulfillment of prophecies and all the rest that stuff.

Then you have to look around and everyone becomes borrowers from everything else. Now the fact that both Jews and Christians detested paganism and hence would detest Zoroastrianism or the Eastern religions and and their their polytheism and their their views of Cosmology and things like that's irrelevant.

You can ignore that part. They'll go ahead and borrow Wholesale from people they find reprehensible if they can just fit it in because it's the only way that you can explain Where these things came from because of your overriding presupposition, there's no such thing as divine revelation.

So it's it's a it's a circular thing. It's what they've been taught very rarely have they ever been challenged on a fundamental basis to even think about this type of a thing. It sounds like your professor is very much like my daughter's professor at Glendale Community College.