How the Woke Stole Christmas (Pastor Podcast)

Everyone has heard the tale of how the Grinch stole Christmas. Well, this year, it seems like it's the woke that stole Christmas and stay tuned as the show's about to start. Welcome back to conversation with the Calvinist.

My name is Keith Foskey and I am a Calvinist and I'm joined today by my good friend and fellow pastor, Austin Tucker from Grace Point church in Summerfield, Summerville, Summer. I always mess this up.

Summerfield. Okay. I was right. I was right. And then I messed it up. Well, how are you doing tonight, sir? I can't complain. I'm looking forward to a merry woke Christmas this year, a merry woke Christmas.

Wokeness as a Judgment on Culture and Christmas

Well, it is my contention on the show today that the woke is ruining Christmas. I think the woke is ruining everything. And what I want to talk about is just that I want to talk about some of the things that have been coming out just in the last couple of weeks that really demonstrate how far we are going as a culture, how far we are going as a people to truly live up to the Isaiah 520 scripture.

The Isaiah 520, for those who don't remember, says, woe to those who call evil, good and good evil. This is the great reversal. This is the great transposition of all the things that are good are being called bad.

And all the things that are bad are being called good. And that is the judgment of God. That's what the word woe means. The word woe is a statement of judgment. And what we are seeing is we are seeing a nation that is under God's judgment.

We see this with our wicked leadership. We see this with constant misinformation and lies that are going out through the media. We have nothing in the sense of news and things like that that we feel like we can put our confidence in.

All kinds of things are just demonstrating that we are in a season of woe. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that we have chosen as a nation to call evil good and good evil. And Austin, I invite you on the program today to talk about some of those things and also to talk about how we as men of God are to respond to this.

How are we to push back against the culture? What are some of the things that we can do? So that's what we're going to be talking about. But let's kind of go with what sort of started this whole conversation.

For those of you who don't know, over in the land of Norway, a commercial was recently posted, and it made its way around social media. And if you haven't seen it, I think that Austin would agree with me.

I would not encourage you to watch it. Yeah. I would hate for the count to go up on YouTube. Well, that is true. But I honestly, to me, it's just, it's sickening. And I know that it's so politically incorrect to say this anymore, but I'm just going to say it and we'll let the chips fall where they may.

Gay Santa, Gay Superman, and the Normalization of Sexual Revolution

It's so grotesque to see what is being put on display. For those of you who haven't seen it, the title of the video is When Harry Met Santa. And When Harry Met Santa is about Santa Claus falling in love.

Now, I don't know about you, but from what I remember, the mythos of Santa Claus was that there was a Mrs. Claus. But not anymore. Now Santa Claus has fallen in love with Harry. And the first part of the video is Harry without a shirt on.

I have no idea what that's about, but it promotes this idea that there's this love relationship between this person and Santa Claus. And it's obviously two men. And they share an embrace and a very long and excruciating kiss.

And Austin sitting there just thinking, and Keith made me watch it. Well, and the whole thing, and here's where it's going to hit home for us as America as well. The purpose of the video was celebrating 50 years of being able to love, quote unquote, who you want in Norway.

That's what it said at the end of the video. And we're heading towards that. That culture here in America, ever since the Obama administration, well, it was before the Obama administration. They were just the first administration to push it over.

I mean, I remember hearing Clinton, even though we all know the type of person he was. Yeah. It was still, it was not being promoted, even though it was being allowed. Like I said, don't ask, don't tell.

But he came out during his campaign, coming out against gay marriage. This was back in the nineties. It's everything's overturned now. It's, it's all just, it's Thunderdome. I mean, it's sexual Thunderdome.

Yeah. Clinton actually signed an executive order, protecting marriage between a man and woman biology, biologically. Of course that that's all been thrown out the window in the last, what, four or five years.

It really hadn't been that long since biology has been thrown out the window. Yeah. It's, it's coming at a much faster rate than it has. And you're right. Woke, woke is destroying comedy. And now they're going after Santa Claus.

And I thought Santa Claus was supposed to be punching heretics, not kissing men. That's right. That's right. The Santa that I believe in lived in the fourth century. He hated heresy and, and he was generous with everything, including his fists.

He was my hero, St. Nicholas of Mira. Yeah. I love the story. And it's funny because every year at our little Christian school, I have kids go, yeah, Santa. I'm like, well, let me tell you about Santa.

And I always tell the story because it's like, he was a hero. He was defending the deity of Christ and punched a heretic in the mouth over it. That's a good man. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I had a, I had a buddy once.

Um, he was a Facebook friend. I, I, I hasten, or I, I, I really shouldn't call him a buddy. We're not, we're not really friends. We're just Facebook friends. But he, he, I told that story in a sermon and he, and he, and he made a big deal, messaged me about it, said that it's, it's actually apocryphal.

It didn't actually happen. I don't know if there's enough. I went and did a little research. I don't know if there's enough evidence either way, uh, to say that he didn't do it or that he did do it because according to what I researched, there were sanctions that happened afterwards.

He got in trouble and all these different things. So I think something happened at the council. And I say, now, whether or not he, you know, really laid one on him or whether or not it was more of a, just sort of a, uh, you know, a glancing blow or whatever.

I, I like to think that it, that it did happen. And like you make some, it endears him to my heart. I certainly like, I like punching Santa Claus certainly, or the punching Santa Claus much more than the kissing Santa Claus.

And, uh, and so this, uh, when, when Harry met Santa is, it's just one more example that woke is ruining everything. And, and, and for those of you who know me, one of the things that recently came out, you know, this turned my stomach and twisted me in knots.

Is it DC comics made Santa or made Superman, uh, gay. And then a buddy of mine, again, I have all these people. I don't know why they care so much to correct me, but another, another buddy of mine, when I said that, I said, Santa Claus is gay.

I can't believe it. Or I'm sorry, Superman's gay. And he come out and he goes, well, it wasn't really Superman. It was his son as if that's better. That's okay. It wasn't, you know, but if you, if you, um, the New York times has a Superman comes out as DC comics ushers in a new man of steel, the new Superman, the son of Clark Kent and Lois Lane.

So it is your man's son is concerned about the environment does not shy away from politics and will soon begin a real, a romantic relationship with a male friend. So, so not only is he purportedly gay about a certain relationship with man, but he's also concerned about the environment environment.

So not only, so I'm sure he's not going to be, uh, uh, uh, concerned about the environment in any other way than a Greta Thunberg style concern about the environment. I should be outside playing and I'm here.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Every time I see her, I cringe man. So we have super Superman is Superman's son is gay Santa Claus, gay, uh, the, the, the latest jeopardy champion. And I don't know if they're, I don't know if she's actually, I want to say she, excuse me, he it's a transgender.

Actually, I don't know. Yeah. Who knows? Uh, current jeopardy champion. This is a from NBC news, current jeopardy champion, Amy Schneider. I'm assuming that's a man dressed as a woman is using her voice to help other transgender people.

The engineering manager from Oakland, California won her 10th consecutive game Tuesday night. So as you know, he is no dummy. I keep doing it. See, they're making me do it because he's dressed like a woman.

Pronouns, Affirmation, and the Church's Temptation to Accommodate

Go ahead. Here's the thing. The church is also doing it. I don't know if you've seen, uh, the quote unquote intellectual church. It's like, well, pronoun, uh, the, the former head of the SBC even said something to the effect of, uh, former, uh, pronoun, what did he call it?

Uh, being friendly with pronouns or he basically said, we're opening the door for the gospel by, by using people's preferred pronouns. And I don't know about you, but why do we care about the world liking us?

I, the, I'm, I'm not going to go out of my way to, I mean, I'm going to be wise as serpent harmless as a dove. I'm not going to go out of my way to make the world hate me. I want to have a testimony as the Bible says amongst the public as somebody who, who does good and is, uh, you know, hospitable.

And, but at the same time, I just got done preaching through first John, a couple months ago, first John chapter two. If you love the world, the love of the father is not in you. And then in first John three, those who are loving the world, I think it's first John three, they become enemies of God there.

You cannot, and I'm mixing James in there too. You cannot, um, want the world's applause and be a genuine Christian standing on God's word. And that's exactly what's happening. So I, and this is going to be bad.

I, I am, I am more post-millennial than anything. I'm, I'm, I borderline. So I'm still working through this. Um, you're there too. No, no, no, no. I'm just, I'm, I'm laughing. Okay. So you're post-millennial now, or have you always been a millennialist that it's almost, no, I mean, that's, that's where I've, I've been dealing with this for the last three years, struggling with it because I was brought up dispensational, uh, you know, pre-millennialist.

So I've been really struggling trying to make everything consistent. And with the consistency of it all, I believe that God's law is biblical. And in many ways, man's law is unjust with that being said, the church defies God's law and God's order.

And, and in fact, Romans chapter one, the example given of men totally turning their backs on the order of God and the creator and worshiping the creation rather than the creator, homosexuality is what is used as an illustration to falling away from God.

And now we have a culture and society where the church is saying, Oh, you're falling into this sexual sin, but we're going to be hospitable with our pronouns to make you feel welcome. Instead of saying, God made man, God made woman.

This is a picture of the gospel. And I'm sorry, if you don't like it, we are so worried about offending that we're not really preaching the gospel anymore. Amen. And as you were saying that I pulled this up because at the end of Romans one, there's this portion that always, that always gets my heart.

Every time I read it, it says, though, they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die. And that's not just homosexuality. That's a whole list of sins. There's a whole list of sins there.

Deceit, murder, malice, gossip, slander, haters of God. I love this disobedient to parents. It says all these things deserve death because they're sin and the wages of sin is death. But they not only practice these things, but they give approval to those who practice them.

Again, going back to the Isaiah 520 passage, going back to the idea of calling evil good. That is what we are doing. We are calling evil good. And it is just seemingly exponential. I know that there have been times in the history of our country where things have been bad, but the outright, as you just said, just blatant expression of the demonstration of depravity.

And I think again, homosexuality and people say, oh, well, you're just a homophobe. That word means nothing to me. That word means nothing to me. When people say you're homophobic, the word phobia comes from the Greek word phobos, which means to fear something.

I have no fear of homosexual people. It's not about fear. It's about righteousness and wickedness. I'm trying to stay on topic, but what they've done is they've redefined what love is. They've taken it away from the biblical definition and they say, well, you're not a loving Christian.

And you're being hateful if you don't affirm. And I think me and you've had this conversation before. Since when does affirming have anything to do with loving? I love my kids, but I don't, listen, I've got some teenage kids.

I'm not going to affirm everything they do. That's not love. In fact, love many times is saying, buddy, you messed up. Don't do this again. Now, with that being said, I've been accused of being hateful.

But I can tell you in my ministry, I have built a relationship and I'm going to try to be careful. I don't want to slip names with a gay couple. They're not Christians. They don't claim to be Christians.

And I've been slowly giving them the gospel. Now, that's the thing. He says to me at one time, you're so nice. I'm glad you're affirming. And I stopped him right there. I said, I'm not affirming. I said, I wholeheartedly disagree with your lifestyle, but the Bible says to judge those within the church.

And I said, I'm here to share and share the gospel with you. And I'm going to be here and I'm going to be a friend to you. And I've been sharing the gospel with them for about three years now. And it's funny because he outright told me I'm going to visit church sometime.

He goes, I know I can't hold hands or anything. I said, yeah, but we'd love for you to come. And I just wanted to hear the gospel. And so I'm going to have hospitality. I'm going to be kind, but I don't have to be affirming because as a Christian, the authority for truth in my life is the Lord and his word, not the world.

And the whole idea of affirming, there are certain things that, and I know you would agree with this. There are certain things that we can affirm. We can affirm that they are made in the image of God.

We can affirm that they are in that sense, part of the creation that God has created and loves. And in that regard, we can affirm many things about an individual, but we cannot affirm their sin any more than we could affirm a murderer in his murder or a thief and his thievery or a gossip in her gossip.

When someone is gossiping, we don't affirm that we call it what it is. And that is the most dangerous thing is that we have come to the place where we are not allowed to say that it's wrong. And it's part of woke.

And again, going back to the whole, how the woke sold Christmas, the idea of you and I are dinosaurs. I remember one time I was sitting in a class or I was sitting in a break room at a middle school. I was a substitute teacher for eight years.

And I would always go have lunch in the break room because it was easier to get my lunch and sit in the break room than to go back to the classroom. Even though I would have much preferred to be alone, I would sit with the other teachers.

And oftentimes I would listen to the conversations of the teachers and it was not edifying most days, but there was one in particular where a conversation was going on about some misbehavior that was happening within the school.

And I happened to just throw out my opinion because I wasn't smart enough to keep my mouth shut. What I should have said was nothing. But instead I said something is I said, I said, I imagine that many of these children who are acting out like this may not have proper attitudes being enforced in the home.

I probably didn't say it that precisely, but basically that's what I said was it's a lack of home training was the, was, was probably more like, yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, you, you, you know, you, you work in a school, you know, you have a school in your church and, and, and oftentimes what we see in a child is, is what's being reinforced at home.

And one of the, one of the teachers was so offended by that. She looked at me, she said, Mr. Foskey, you are a caveman. Did you go? Yeah. And, and what, what's funny about that as I, as I reminisce on that moment, she did, she called me a name.

She outright called me a caveman because I just did not understand the current trends in sociological literature. And I did not have the training and current methods of pedagogy and all those different things.

And I just didn't understand that it really wasn't the parents who were the ones who were to enforce or reinforce good or bad behavior. And that I was just so out to lunch that I was thinking like leave it to beaver slash Jurassic park slash, you know, as far back as you can go.

I just, I just did not understand because I was, was bold enough to simply say that, you know, they probably aren't being reinforced at home. When I think you hit on another nerve right here, there is a intellectual, a false intellectualism attacked, attached to all this.

And, you know, you know, like you said, pedagogy for those listening, that's the art of teaching or educating. You know, it's, if we're going to educate them, we have to give them this, you know, and they, they attach all these things to their agendas that have nothing to do with the actual education.

And they try to make it look like if anybody doesn't agree with those attachments, they are cavemen, they're uneducated, and they're idiots. In spite of the fact that Christians have been doing a better job educating people along, we invented the public school system.

They don't like to admit it, but the degree program, academia, that came out of the church. But my wife, I got to be careful again. I don't want to, well, I can give you personal examples here. So I, at our school, I am no longer the principal.

I've handed over and I'm just the preaching elder now, which is, I don't know what to do with myself at the time, but I'm still doing the dual enrollment stuff because the principal has a lot on his plate.

I said, I'll sign the contracts. I'll deal with the colleges. And I've built a relationship with a lot of the people at the different colleges and our currently, our school is contracted with three colleges, a university and two colleges.

And one of the colleges, Christian, I love dealing with them. BCF, I'll say that they're wonderful to deal with. They've been wonderful with our kids who are doing rolling with them and they cut us a good deal.

But for our kids who want to take free colleges, we are going to a university in central Florida and a local community college. And I'll just leave it at that. With those emails that I go back and forth with the different people there, you know how you have a signature on your email.

And so like on my email, I have a signature, you know, Dr. A .W. Tucker, counselor, you know, I have my signature and then the information where they can get ahold of me. All the colleges now have their signature, their title, and then it has a section of preferred pronouns.

All the colleges that I communicate with now, their email signatures have preferred pronouns. I mean, since when, and it's considered, you know, if, and even if the straight ones, my preferred pronoun is he and his, I, why would you have to put that?

Well, because if you don't put it, then you're not affirming people who don't have regular pronouns and you're assuming you have regular pronouns. Therefore you are, you know, a bigot. Yeah. Because when you use, when you use the word regular Austin, what you have done is you have bought in to the heteronormative cis-gendered agenda because that's what they would say.

I've made them queer. I'm just going to say it. I made them queer. That's what I did. Um, and it is that it's not, it's still less than 1 of the population, even though they try to make us feel like it's a much larger part of the population.

Um, because if every television show has a person or persons who represent the quote unquote gay community, and I had this conversation tonight, actually shout out to my friend, Matt, who I talked to after church night, he and he's a, he's a, a new friend.

He's been visiting our church and he and I had a conversation after church tonight on this, we were talking about the idea of the term homosexual community or the LGBT community. And I told him, I said, I do not use the term community when I'm referring to the LGBT people.

And the reason why I don't use the word community is because the word community is a positive word and it is a structurally encouraging word. As if you're talking about like the church community, the LGBT people may be in a relationship.

They may, they may have masses of people, but they do not have what I define as community because it is, it is a group of people that are connected by the sinful sexual appetite rather than anything that is godly or wholesome.

So I don't, I won't use the word community. I just said, I said the LG, the LGBT people that, and again, that, that puts me again, I'm a dinosaur, man. I am, I'm not, I'm a troglodyte. Well, I think you're quite a bit older than me, aren't you?

You're like 60, 70. Oh, I see. It's because of the white in my beard. You could almost be Santa Claus. I, I may or may not have played Santa Claus when I was in high school, but you had a Miss Claus. Yes.

Oh yes. If I play Santa Claus, Mrs. Claus is in the other room. Yes. Yes. I bet you I would. I'd be a good Santa this year if I just put a little white in the, in the chin. Did you notice how skinny that Santa was?

Yeah. Again, you're making me think about the picture of them kissing, but yeah, he was like, he looked like a, um, he looked sort of like a fancy Santa. He did. He was a fancy Santa. Yeah. Fancy Santa.

How Christians Should Respond: Boldness, Not Acquiescence

No. So here, here's the question. How do we have a very unwoke Christmas this year? Okay. Um, well this is actually getting to where I wanted to go next because there's so many things that we could talk about.

We could talk about the fact that, uh, as we were talking before the show, I pulled up a whole list of things. We've got the gay Santa, we've got gay Superman, Salvation Army saying that this year they want, uh, their, their, uh, white people to, uh, to what, let's see, how, how do they say it?

Salvation Army, uh, asking white donors to apologize for racism. That's their, that's their thing. And that, and again, that's just another part of being woke. It goes into this, this whole cycle of, um, of what, what do they call it when you're, uh, uh, inner intersectionality.

Right. So, so, so if you're, if you're gay, that's, that's one section of, of, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, that's one area that you have been mistreated or, or where you are, um, uh, uh, uh, disenfranchised.

And then of course there's, you know, if you're black and gay, or if you're black, gay and transgender, you're like, you, you, you've hit a hat trick and you got the trifecta there. And, um, and that's the whole thing.

And again, we're kind of speaking about it sort of haphazardly kind of jokingly, but it, it really is, you know, when the Salvation Army is saying, we don't really want your money this year. We want your apologies for being white.

Yeah. That, you know, I'm dreaming of a woke Christmas. What is this nonsense? Yep. We have, we, and so you asked me, how do we have not have a woke Christmas? Well, as I said, this is sort of what I wanted to get to this year, because we, I believe what it's going to take, it's, it's going to take, uh, men and women of God, particularly men.

And I'm not saying women aren't involved, but particularly men of God, definitely men who are willing and able. See, even just then I felt the need to qualify. Yeah. And we're all there. Right. I shouldn't have to qualify.

I'm talking about men of God and I shouldn't have to say, Oh, and ladies too. I love, I love the ladies in our church. I praise God for women, our church, but theologically historically in the church, God uses men to turn the wheels.

That's right. And there's nothing wrong with that. No. And, and, and it's, it's not going to be, uh, the, the, the, the change is not going to come unless men stand up, men of God stand up. And this is, this is something I wrote and I did have this, I had it written in a specific way.

So I want to actually say it as I wrote it. I said, please don't buy into the madness. Be bold enough to say when things are ridiculous, we don't have to be mean, but if we don't start confidently calling out the nonsense, we're going to continually find ourselves acquiescing in more and more incremental ways.

And that is how it's made its way into the church. Nobody walked into the church with a bedazzled outfit on the first day, you know, pastor Karen with her rainbow colored sash and her, uh, you know, and her, her, you know, 50 style man haircut, didn't just come into the church all at once.

It was incremental. And that incrementalism, it has continued to come in and we have to be willing to call out the nonsense. I wonder why Elton John is the inspiration for all these Karen's styles. That's right.

They, they all look like, yeah, they look like Elton John. They all do. Um, and it's everywhere. You know, Austin, I was, I'm going to put a picture up on the screen. There was a, um, uh, one of my, one of my friends at church sent me a picture.

He was in target. Now this wasn't on a commercial. This wasn't on a billboard. This was sitting on the shelf at target. And so the picture he sent me is his photo that he took with his phone and it is a gay nutcracker.

That has to be a pun. No, I know this is touche, touche, uh, uh, uh, points to the, uh, points to the, to the King there. Uh, yeah, no. Um, it was a nutcracker with a, uh, rainbow colored hat, rainbow colored flag.

He's, I mean, nutcrackers don't hold flags. He's holding a rainbow colored flag. He's got bedazzled beads all over him. And this is the, you know, what's normally supposed to be like a soldier nutcrackers, a soldier, right?

You know, strong soldier nutcracker, but no, it's a bedazzled gay nutcracker. Why? Because, because everything is awful. You know, when you think about the Lego movie, everything is awesome. No, everything's awful.

Yeah. You ever, uh, Vodie Bachum, everything is racist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Only he can do it the way he does it. That's what he said. He said this, uh, this, uh, uh, uh, not intersectionality, uh, CRT.

He said, CRT. He said, they're looking for racist stuff everywhere. And then he goes, it's like Lego movie. And he goes, everything is racist. And it really is where we're at. The, this woke culture is destroying what me and you enjoy it as boys.

When we were boys, we were given BB guns. We went outside, shot each other with the BB guns, even though mom told us not to. And a great Christmas movie told us we'd shoot our eye out, but we'd go out and shoot anyway.

And so we tried it. Yeah. We had pocket knives. Uh, we, we, there, a boy was a boy and a girl was a girl and Christmas Sunday. Uh, I was dressed up as a young man in my little suit. You know, it was, it was very, this, the sexual divide was a lot more evident than it is now.

And I, like I said, I think you're right. It is creeped in, in more ways than we realize. I mean, I'm not a big proponent saying you have to have a suit, but there was definitely, he's a young man. Let him go run in the dirt.

Um, now it's Johnny feels like a woman. And so I'm going to, I'm going to make sure he gets shot so he don't turn into a man. And I'm just, yeah. And, and, and, and hormone blockers, the conversation about giving hormone blockers to all children until they can decide what they want to be.

Yeah. Cause that's not going to destroy them. No, that, that stuff is toxic. I mean, yeah, they're, they're destroying these children's futures. Yeah. And so again, my, my, my, my admonition, if, if you will, I know that this is a podcast and not a sermon, but I still sort of, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm saying that's for my sake. You know, I, I sometimes think it's so funny cause I've started mentioning my podcast in my sermons because like tonight I was, I was teaching and I said, yeah, I did it.

I did a show about this cause it was a, it was a subject. And I said, if you want to hear more about this, go listen to the podcast. And I was like, that's, that's probably not, I probably shouldn't do that too often, uh, try to promote the podcast.

But I, I do sometimes feel like this is almost like preaching because it really is coming down to the admonition men stop just rolling over. Cause that's what they expect us to do. They expect us to simply give in.

And, uh, I'll give you, I'll give you an example and not everybody loves this guy. So, um, and I'll ask you, what are your thoughts on Doug Wilson? You've you've Doug Wilson. I love Doug Wilson. Okay.

Okay. All right. So I feel, I feel fine. Then I can bring him up. I don't, I, I, you know, one of those edgy guys in the reform circle. He is, but he has a great lesson and I'll give you the, I'll give you the name of it for, for the listener.

It's called winsome tartness. You ever heard that winsome tartness? Is it a podcast? No, it was a sermon that he did or a lesson that he did. It wasn't a podcast, but the title of it is winsome. Like, like, uh, to be winsome W I N S O M E tartness, uh, T A R T N E S S.

And the, the, the idea was of the sermon is, um, we need to stop being so ooey gooey stop being so ishy, you know, ishy, squishy, so effeminate. And at times just say, I don't think so. Skippy. That was the thing he says, if you listen to it, he says, you know, there's two ways to answer someone who comes at you with some kind of ridiculous thing.

You can either, you know, say, well, you know, we're going to, we're going to talk about this and we're going to, we're going to hash it out, or we're going to really think through these things and we're going to really love one another.

Or you can just say, I don't think so. Skippy. We're not doing that. You know, that brings to mind the presuppositional position of apologetics. Why are we trying to go on a debate with these people who are trying to set the boundaries, reset the definitions?

Uh, you know, when we have the truth, God made me a man. I don't need to define what a man is to you. God already defined it. If you don't know what it is, that's your fault. I love that. Uh, that, that, that, what you just said, I don't have to define what it means to be a man.

And when somebody tries to get me to do so, I can say, I don't think so. Skippy, you know what I mean? I know what I mean. People for 6 ,000 years have known what we meant. It's only in the last 20 years that you have come up and tried to reduce the language down to the ridiculous.

And I'm not going with you. We're not going to follow the ridiculous line. We are going to stand up and say, I don't think so. I'm not doing it. I'm not going there. And, and, and what's funny, you mentioned earlier, you're post-millennial though.

Doug is post-millennial, right? And here's the thing. I saw this the other day. You ever seen the, the diagram that says, um, uh, strong men create good times. Put that on my Facebook. Were you the one that posted, you know, what's funny.

I have to tell you, and this is, we're being recorded. My wife actually saw that and she looked and she goes, is Austin post-millennial. She was like excited. Cause she, she, about a year ago, I came home, maybe two years ago.

It's been a while. I came home from work. You know, I came home from the office and I walk in and she walks up to me, dead pan, straight faced. She's going to love that. She looked at a dead pan and she goes, why aren't we post-millennial?

No, no context. She didn't give me nothing. She just said, why aren't we post-millennial or why? No. She said, why aren't you post-millennial? And I, and I stopped and I said, wait a minute now, we don't have a lot of eschatological conversations.

You know, I mean, we used to both be Tim Lahayans, you know, 20 years ago, we were both reading left behind and yeah. So it's been a while since we had a conversation about eschatology, but to have my wife catch me at the door and say, why aren't you a post-millennial?

And, and I, and I had to tell her, I said, well, I'm, I'm an optimistic. I'm a millennialist. So I think I, I think I'm pretty close. But I'm not there. And, and, and boy, she was like, well, I've been listening to, you know, this one and that one.

And she was listening to, to Jeff and Doug and all these other guys. And everybody knows who I'm talking about, who, who care anything about this, but, but, uh, and, and I was glad that she was getting interested.

And, and for the one, the one positive thing I could say is the, uh, the one positive thing about post-millennialists is that they're, they're not into the nonsense. No. Well, that's because the, we are pulling down strongholds.