Enemies Within the Church - Interview with the Director

All right, well you're about to watch an interview that I did a little bit earlier today with Judd Saul, who is the director of the Enemies Within the Church documentary that just came out within the last few weeks.

This is a documentary you're going to hear a lot more about, and so I would suggest going over to the website and picking up a copy of it, either a physical DVD copy or digital copy, and giving it a watch.

What the movie tries to do is it attempts to connect all of the insane things that we've been seeing happening within the church over the last couple years, whether it's the social justice controversy, whether it's COVID lockdowns, and all of the just completely ridiculous political pandering that we've been seeing from evangelical leaders, pandering to the progressives, pandering to the socialists and communists and all that kind of stuff.

It attempts to connect this all together, and it kind of reveals that this is a coordinated assault on the foundations of the institutional church in the United States of America. I think the movie's really good.

It'll open up a lot of people to these ideas for the very first time. For some people that have been paying attention, the information's nothing new, but it's unique in the sense that it kind of tries to fit it all together, and it names names.

It names Keller. It names Russell Moore. It names Al Mohler. This is a documentary that a lot of people wish never got made, and so I hope you decide to pick it up, but if you want to see the interview with the director before you do, here's what's going to happen.

We're going to do that right now. I hope you find this video helpful. God bless. Welcome Judd Saul. Judd Saul is the director, producer, everything guy for the new movie Enemies Within the Church. If you have not heard about it, you're going to hear about it right now, and it's quite a good film.

Judd, welcome. Hey, thanks for having me. Okay, Judd, so I've got some questions for you because I've seen some things online. I've read some things about you and about the movie, so I want to ask you why you made the film, but first it's going to be multiple choice yes or no.

You ready for this? I'm ready. Let's go. Okay, so Judd, did you make this film because you hate Black people? Let me think about that. No, no, no, no. I did not make the film. Are you against women? I love women.

Do you hate the church, Judd? Did you make this.

Film because you actually want to destroy the church? I made the film because I love the church.

Let's talk about that. Those were obviously joke questions. I've seen a lot of, listen, the reason I'm asking these questions is because I've seen some of the pushback for the film and lots of baseless accusations are made about not only the film itself, but also the people in the film, Pastor Kerry Gordon and all that kind of stuff.

So why did you make this film, Judd? Because.

I want you to set the record straight right now. We set out to make the film. The goal to make the film and why we made it was because a lot of people put out articles, different YouTube videos here and there, and a lot of the information when people are researching and doing it are just scattered.

It's scattered all over the place. So only a small fraction of an audience or a segment's actually going to know what's going on and be able to follow the story properly because the big media outlets, even the big Christian media outlets only give you a sliver of what's going on because they're protecting somebody.

Somebody's got a relationship somewhere. I've been doing documentary films since the mid 2000s and the way to tell a story and to get people to understand the whole picture is to do it in a documentary format.

It is an art, but it's also a way of storytelling to draw in as much information as possible and make it palatable for people to understand what the situation is. Yeah, Judd, that's such a good.

Point because even for this YouTube channel, I've got like 900 something videos on my YouTube channel. You never can tell when someone new is going to come. I referenced something that I said six months ago.

It's not going to make any sense for someone new. You need an organized place that they can put all the pieces together. In fact, that's one of the things I loved about the movie where the good pastor is talking about putting the puzzle pieces together and seeing the big picture kind of thing.

That's something that I found so helpful about it. That's what your goal was essentially to tie in everything that we're seeing within the church as far as the social justice, as far as the Me Too stuff and all of it to try to tie it all together.

Yeah, and also a way to let people have a voice. People who've been affected by this and give them a voice and let people hear their voice in the film. It's not just us anticipating, but it's giving other people a voice to express what they saw, what was going on, which makes the film more compelling.

It's really hard for people to follow from one thing to another. This has just been my way of being able to tell a story. It's something I've been doing.

For a while. Yeah, it's a very effective way to do it. Just between everyone here, we understand that our enemies do this all the time. When they put out an article that's filled with lies about their church, the way they typically start it is they'll tell a story in the beginning that you can kind of emotionally get tied into it a little bit.

Oh, look at this church, very sad situation, this and that. Then they fill the rest of the article with lies. Sometimes even that story is a lie, but because you're emotionally hooked into it, it still can be effective.

If the liars can do that, certainly we can do that with the truth. Amen. Yeah. This movie has been a long time coming, Judd. I remember I looked at my video history about the first time we talked about it.

It was a few years ago. People have been excited about it, and then it's been taking a while to come out. Why did it take so long for this to come out finally? I'm not trying to insult you, Judd. I'm just asking.

No, no, no, no. The reason it took so long is a number of factors. One, doing a documentary film and what I would call at a very professional high level, which is what we try to attain. People have to understand, if you look at Dinesh D'Souza's movies or you look at some of the other very high budget documentaries, you're talking about putting two, three million dollars into a documentary film budget.

For us, we're doing this at a fraction of the cost, and we have to leave the funds to make the film. This isn't cheap. Every time we have to hire a film crew, multiple cameras, travel, plane tickets, hotel, to go across and interview these guys, it's costly.

When we set out to do it, we raise money, we go produce. Then we run out of money, we go, okay, we need to raise more. We need to go produce some more. Then along the way, we ran across stories that we had to tell.

We ran across stories that we couldn't wait, and it's like, okay, this is too big of a story to just throw in the film and do it justice. That's why we did First Baptist Naples, a 38-minute documentary just on the story of First Baptist Naples.

We did a Southern Baptist compilation video that we put together from interviews and other research and things that we got done so we could help inform people before the recent Southern Baptist Convention vote.

We've gone out and broke stories along the way. It's not just making a movie for us, we're fighting a war. Along the way, we diverted resources to break stories and to bring people information. Also, the amount of research that went into this was crazy.

You can tell. You can definitely tell with the result.

We're talking thousands of hours of research. To back up what we are saying in our film, which that'll be out in about a week, our Wokipedia page and then the resource page of evidence.

Backing up things we say in the documentary. You can definitely tell that a lot of work went into it in that way. One of the things I noticed, we were talking a little bit before we started recording, but there were some stories in the movie that I know were very recent.

We were saying, when do you decide to just end it? When do we land the plane? This is ongoing. If you could seriously make a 10-hour documentary and you wouldn't be done, there would still be more stuff because there's new things happening all over the place.

You could do a documentary about McLean Bible Church right now. That would have added another couple hours to the film. I'm glad it took forever because things ended up in the film that really helped the message that didn't happen.

Until six months ago. That's the thing. Eventually, with a film, you have to land the plane. And this is a thing with documentary filmmakers. The film's never actually done. We just stopped at one point and had to put it out there.

But so much happened leading up to when we were in the edit bay working on final things. I'm like, okay, we got to cut this, but we need to add this in. We have to add this in to give it relevance. Finally, it's just like, okay, we're done.

We can't add anything. We have to be done. We're burning hours. Let's put it out there.

Yeah. You also had mentioned, sorry to cut you off, but you also had mentioned that it's obviously very costly to do this. What's cool about it is you don't need to have the multimillion dollar budget like Dinesh D'Souza to produce something really quality.

You just need a lot of time and you do need some money. But the way technology is now, you don't necessarily need to have these huge budgets. You know what I mean?

To do something, you have to have it within a reasonable range, but you also have to have talented people and a talented team you work with. This isn't just a Judd Salt project. There are a lot of contributors and a lot of people that help with this.

Through this process, I'd say the Lord opened up doors and introduced us to a lot of other creative people that we're going to have longer working relationships with in the future. We will be putting out future content.

Yeah. One of the things I said on my channel recently is that the pagans, they're licking their chops. They feel like they've kicked us off all these social media things and we're losing our jobs and stuff.

But really, we're going to flip the script on them because now we're finding each other. We didn't find each other in the sea of Twitter. There's so many people on Twitter, it's hard to find people that are believers.

But now that we're stuck on Gab altogether, now we know who we... You found so many people, talented people that you're going to work with for a long time. We're going to do some damage now that we all know each other.

We're going to flip the script on them here. Let's talk a little bit about the process here. Because one of the things I remember from early on, Judd, is that you had done a bunch of interviews. I forget even where you did them.

It was at some conference or something. A couple people and whatever you... If you want to name them, I don't care. It doesn't matter. But a couple of people had dropped out once they... I think it was once they heard the name of the project or once they got some pressure to drop out because you guys were just going to slander everybody.

You're just evil. And along the way, you've had people that you've interviewed that you wanted to use in the film, but they decided to say, hey, don't use me in the film. So what I wanted to ask you is, what do you think that's about?

Is that a strategy? What's going on with.

That? I'm not going to name any names, but I'll talk about the... Trying to think of the right word to use. I'd say a very common theme that we have discovered over the three years of making this film is people want to get behind you when it's safe.

They don't want to be on the forefront of leading the fight. They want to get in the fight when it's safe for them to do so. After they've tested the wind and see where the wind is blowing, and then they'll get behind the film.

And then some people are saying, well, if I'm in this film, it might ruin my ministry because these guys are worthless. And a lot of rumors went flying around about us while we were making the film. And if they would have just come out to us and talked to us directly, actually kind of reasoned with us and said, okay, what are your intentions?

What are you trying to do? We're not as crazy as they thought we were. And honestly, today, since the film has come out, I've had people that actually ruined fundraising efforts for us, trashed us before the people that are now texting me every other day, talking about how wonderful the movie is.

And I'm just grateful now that they're on board. I'm very happy that they're on board and that they're supportive of the efforts. And you live and learn. You had a chance to be in it now. Now you're not.

And some of these interviews that didn't go in were fantastic. And I respect these guys in their ministries. It's just people need to see the threat for what it is and lead or get.

Out of the way. Yeah. Judd, I'm so glad we didn't talk about what your answers were going to be before this. I did let you know some of the things I wanted to talk about in all fairness, but I didn't know what you were going to say.

That's moving, man, because it's very easy, I think, to have this attitude. And I'll just speak for myself. When something like that happens to me, which it has, people have privately tried to ruin me and stuff like that.

And then later, when people are accepting what I'm saying, they want to be friends again. My first temptation, Judd, I don't know if you feel the same way, is like, screw that guy. Yeah, forget that guy.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the flesh side. That's the flesh side. I want to do that. And that's right. But the thing is, is the message of the film and what we're trying to do is bigger than us. It's bigger than ourselves and bigger than any one ministry's ego.

Amen. This is a film that every Christian needs to see so they can wake up and realize what is going on in Christendom around them. A lot of people like to stay in their Christian bubbles and they have no idea what's going on around them or even what's in front of their faces because they're stuck in a bubble.

And if we don't defeat this now, wow, we can't have those other theological debates later.

Amen. Yeah. And it's right now it's like it's such a it's such a big fight that like, listen, maybe maybe some of these guys that kind of, you know, tried to screw us over in the beginning, maybe they can't be generals in the fight, but we kind of need all the soldiers we can get right now.

You know what I mean? Like, we can't be looking gifts or give forces in the mouth at this point. So, yeah, I get it, man. Plus, it's it's Christian to forgive people. So there you go. Yes, it is. So speaking of speaking of the fight and the pressure that that people are receiving, I noticed a seminary president was very upset that there was a seminary in the country that was going to host a screening of the movie.

And he wrote a letter. Adam Greenway wrote a letter and he was very upset about it. And he he said that, you know, it's not it's not right for, you know, a Southern Baptist seminary to criticize another Southern Baptist seminary or this and that.

And did you see that, Judd? I don't know if you're paying attention to that.

Kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're aware. We're very well aware. And what was the deal with that?

That was that's, you know, by the way, let me just say this, Judd. I think that that was an error that Adam Greenway made. And it was a forced error. And I think that the movie itself forced him to make that error to put on paper in black and white the 11th commandment, because usually they don't talk about that.

It's it's obviously it's a real commandment, the 11th commandment in the Southern Baptist Convention, but he put it in black and white. He put it he put it in black.

And white. And so when that all happened, I talked to I talked to the guys at CBN about what was going on. And I talked to folks from Mid-America Baptist Theological Seminary. And they were mad. They were really mad at how Adam Greenway tried addressing the problem.

He had called him personally. Adam has never contacted me personally about any issues. And then they just put out that blanket statement. Well, that backfired. I mean, it blew up in their faces. And so much to the point, it drew so much attention to our film.

I give him credit for being our biggest promoter. We paid for some advertising to people, you know, we paid for advertising, advertise the film and get it out there. But wow, Adam Greenway.

Oh, no, you're muted, Jed. You're muted.

Thankful. So in the spirit thing, we we created a promo code for DVDs.

What's the promo code, Jed? Oh, no, you're muted again. How'd that happen? There you go. You get 20 off. Can you repeat that? You went on mute right when you said the promo code. This is important, guys.

Yeah. So in the spirit of Thanksgiving, we created a promo code called Greenway. If you type in Greenway, when you go check out when you purchase the DVDs, you get 20 off. So that's from now up until Sunday evening at five o 'clock on Thanksgiving weekend.

So we thank him. And I really thank Adam Greenway for promoting us, getting the word out for us. What a lovely gesture. Thank you, sir.

The one thing that I think is to the people that are on the more progressive and liberal side of these battles, they do a lot of things really well. One of the things they don't understand, though, is what to do in Internet squabbles and Internet battles.

And this is the thing you don't do. If you don't want to draw attention to it, you just have to ignore it. But to draw attention to it in this way and say, well, this is slander. People that would have never heard about this now heard about it and are interested.

It's like putting the parental guidance rating on a CD. Of course, every kid wants it now.

You know, I hope I hope other I hope they do it again. I hope they do it again because it's helped us out so much. They can't help themselves. They will. I know. But the point is, is they came out and said it was full of slander is slander.

That's always the word. Yep. That's hilarious. It's both slander. Well, I'd like to challenge Adam Greenway, sir. Where are we wrong in a film? Where are we wrong in the film? Where have we gone wrong?

I would I would love for you to address our concerns in the film other than, say, to your donors and the people. It's not happening here. Those guys are liars. Right. OK, how are we lying? Right. Right.

Yeah. That's always the.

Thing. It's always they always want to say a couple of things. They always want to say it's conspiracy theory. It's slander and that you're doing it for your own self-promotion. Those are big three things that they'll always say when they don't like what you have to say.

And it's very easy to respond, just like you said. OK, prove it. Prove any of those things. And I'll.

Be glad to talk to you about it. Address where we're wrong. Put the ad hominem attacks and show.

Us where we're wrong, please. Yeah, absolutely. And they know they can. They know they can. So how can people help here? Because I obviously want to help promote this movie. I you know, I did a video the other day.

I didn't even realize it was out yet because I stopped paying attention to the website. Sorry about that, Judd. But I was like, oh, you know, I haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure it's going to be good.

And then like that day, I was like, oh, it's already out. So I watched it that day and it is good. So I want to help promote it. You know, obviously, I have a YouTube channel, but not everybody does. What can people do to help?

Um, you.

Know, people can help by going to the website. You purchase the movie, you can stream the movie. The most important part is, is you guys need to take that message and get it out to as many people as possible.

Yeah. We created this film to be a tool for people to use to wake up the remnant, wake up the people in the church to put a stop to the cultural Marxist movement, postmodernist movement, wherever you want to call it.

This evil, anti Christ, false gospel that has infiltrated our churches needs to be purged. And we gave you a very good tool to use to fight it. And we're going to continue providing resources so people can fight this.

And I just want to tell everyone else, you guys got a great thing in AD Robles here. This is a warrior who's been in the fight from the beginning. Y 'all need to support people like AD. Uh, we are, we are all in this fight together and we need to be backing each other up.

Yeah, no, you're, you're so right.

And one of the things that I really appreciated about the film, um, and I texted Judd right, right after I finished watching it. And I said that I was so fired up and I just, you know, thank, thank you for it.

And obviously, you know, listen, you, you know, you made the film, but all credit goes to God for this, because this is, this is what I was so important about this movie is that in the movie, it is so clear that the message being presented is that, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a dark film.

There's a lot of enemies out there. There's a lot of things happening that are not good, but the movie makes it crystal clear that God is powerful. And when you watch this movie, even, even the way it ends, it ends on a really dark note, but somehow you managed to end it on a dark note, but still you walk out of the movie feeling like, man, we it's time to get to work.

We're going to win this thing. And it's not because we're clever or great. It's because God is powerful. It makes much of the power of God, this movie, which is so contra to what you would hear. If you just listen to the critics of this film, because if you listen to the critics of this film, you're going to get all that kind of stuff.

But this movie is about the power of God, man. It really is. It's dark, but somehow it makes you feel like it's we're going to do this. You know what I mean? And so I just wanted to say that, that that's, that if that was your goal to like wake people up and get people excited about getting to work, like it did that to me, man.

Yeah.

What I want people to get from the film is this, uh, what weapons can stand against us. Amen. We have God behind us. We have the power of Christ behind us. You don't think our God's big enough to fight the lies of the woke.

Yeah. You know, people are worried about their jobs. People and pastors and ministers are worried about getting intimidated by an evil portion of their flock in their church. That's trying to make it go social justice.

You guys, you work for the Holy spirit. You work for God. He can, he can, he can help you beat this and beat the lies that are coming in. We're worrying about reputations and it's time to stand on Christ and, and, and lay it all on the line for true.

I'm not going to give up the whole movie because I want people to go out and get it. Don't forget to use the greenway, um, uh, promotion code to get some money off to, to buy the film. But, um, the section in the middle about antinomianism and love, oh man, dude, that was so powerful.

And I, I often say on the channel that like, you can always tell someone smart when they can say something in like a few sentences that takes you like a 90 minute video. And it's like pastor Kerry Gordon and some of the guys he was talking to, it's like, they're right there, man.

They, there's like a few paragraphs in this movie that it's like, man, like I, it would take me an hour to explain this. And it's like, it's just so perfect. Um, I'm not going to give up the whole thing, but that, that section, man, that's, that spoke to me.

It made me so happy. Um,.

Good stuff, man. Good stuff. Well, we, we, we had to, we had to go not only just show here the enemies within the church, but we have to go to the history and, and history in the church of where the church went wrong, where the church went wrong, uh, just doctrinally and how we have made the mistake on overemphasizing certain things over others that have led to where we're at now and have paved the way for the social justice movement to infiltrate.

And so it's not just here's enemy, enemy, enemy. There's, there's a lot of history and theology in the film that.

People can really take from. And I appreciate that. It reminded me of a conversation I had with, um, a big Eva kind of like, you know, maybe see Lister, you know, not, not a main guy, but he's like one of the sides, side, uh, conference speakers, you know, not the main stage, but one of the side guys.

And I remember he was so exasperated with me. And he said to me, you guys have always said that we don't care about the law of God. We're antinomian. And now we're bringing this to you and you're still not happy.

And what he was trying to say was that the social justice thing was the placeholder for God's law. That that's, that's what we're placing it with. And he, he enunciated that as if it was like a good point.

And I'm like, no, that's the problem. Like that's law. You're, you're still presenting lawlessness.

Yes, yes, yes. And when you, and when you take away the law, when you take away and you deemphasize certain things in the scriptures, you're going to, you're going to fill that void with something.

Else. And that's exactly what he, he, he, he enunciated it on accident, but that's exactly what he was doing. Well, yeah. Anyway, sooner or later, sooner or later, they out themselves and say it with their own words.

That's right. You're, you're a hundred percent right. You're a hundred percent right. All right. So just to wrap this up and, and I don't know if there's anything cooking, but do you have any projects in the, in the, in the oven right now that you want to let us know about?

And are they all just top secret? We, uh, right now they're top secret,.

But I can tell you there's more coming. Uh, there's, there's, there's a part, there's going to be a part two to this. Um, because I, we had to land a plane for part one, but, uh, there, there is going to be a part two, which, which is going to focus on things more worldwide than just what's in the U S.

Oh, that's great. Worldwide. And, uh, the, the real driving movements behind the erosion of the church worldwide. Why are address things like, why are Christian churches being converted into mosques all over Europe now?

Um, how come, what happened to the Christian church in Europe? And we can't, we can't, we, by looking at what happened in Europe, we'll be able to reflect even more of what happened in the U S. But, uh, uh, hardly any news gets reported as of what Christians are going through in Europe right now.

And it is crazy.

Yeah, no, that, that's really good stuff. I'm sure that purchasing the, this movie would, would help with that project as well. Is there any other ways that people can help with that.

Project? Um, uh, we, we, we still accepting donations, uh, towards our efforts and there's other, there's a couple of mini documentaries that we want to do as well. Um, uh, that, uh, start with, uh, McLean, uh, and, and with, uh, uh, church.

Um, uh, we want to do some mini documentaries and kind of expose some other things that deserve their own stories. Yeah. That haven't been pulled to give people a really big, uh, shed, shed a lot more light onto what's going on, uh, with, with some of these big Eva leaders and some of the more sinister things.

But yeah, I had to, we had to do a broad view picture and what you're getting in our film is just a sliver. It's a tiny sliver of what's actually happening out there. And we got to go into a few subjects and shed light on those.

And we hope to have those out in the next few months. Well, part two is probably going to be another two year process.

All right, man. Well, I can handle that now that I know what the result is going to be like, I'm ready to, it takes a few years. It takes a few years. You know what I'm saying? Awesome, man. Well, Hey, Judd, thank you for joining.

Um, you know, obviously I want to help promote the film and we'll talk about that kind of offline and what I can do, but, but guys, if you haven't seen it yet, enemies, what's the website?

Www .enemieswithinthechurch .com. Www .enemieswithinthechurch .com. And on DVDs, don't forget 20 off. If you type in Greenway on checkout box. All right. God bless Judd. Stay.

On the line. I'm going to end the recording right there. What are you the director of this movie?

Yeah, I suppose. What's your, what's your, what's like, what is producer higher than director?

What's the highest title? Technically director is the highest title because it takes on the most responsibility, but I produced, directed, I camera opt. I did many, many different jobs.

It's kind of like how I'm the CEO of my company and also the diversity director and also the recruiter. All right. Well.