A Failed Attempt to Codify Roe & an Update on Louisiana

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Non -rockabodas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it

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Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite? Delusional is okay in your worldview.

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I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay.

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It doesn't really hurt What Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men

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The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage

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Going to all the world to make disciples not going to the world make buddies not to make brosives

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Right don't go in the world make homies Disciples, I got a bit of a jiggle

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Nick That's a joke pastor The real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not

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Now therefore Oh Kings be wise be warned Oh rulers of the earth Serve the

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Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling kiss the Sun Lest he be anger and you perish in the way for his wrath is quickly kindled blessed are all who take refuge and Him that is

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Psalm 2 verses 10 through 12. I know that's one of Zach's favorite

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Chapters fresh air in the entire Bible. I've committed to memory and It's very appropriate for what we're discussing today, which we will get into here

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There's a lot to cover today It's a lot going on. You're probably gonna see us all multitasking

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Because we have like yeah multiple live feeds going at this moment in time and monitoring things and So all that to say hello.

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Welcome back to another episode of apologia Radio, we're actually not live today.

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If you're listening live on YouTube this is pre -recorded. It's pre -recorded because our team is currently in,

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Louisiana Doing live streams all day long with our bill HB 813, so we will be monitoring that and updating those things come up But just if you're listening know that we're not live.

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So we're not gonna answer any questions and trolls Which has its pluses.

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Yeah Trolls you got free reign today because we're not monitoring last week. Everyone was very well behaved

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So were they I had too many things when I didn't I wasn't watching so, you know, that's good maybe

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They'll all behave tomorrow as well. Maybe we'll see how things go today. See we might have

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Of course now that I've said that mean people in there So hi, hi again,

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I'm Luke the bear again in the captain's chair Pastor Jeff's in Louisiana. So like I said, we actually have things ready

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So if he goes live we may pull something up if we need to I think they're actually live right now through Abolish abortion,

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Texas. How are they? He's on with Bradley. Okay, they're saying but I think they're probably updating everyone.

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Yeah, what's going on? Yeah, so we'll get to that here a couple of things you want to discuss today But before we do that,

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I'd like to welcome back Valley wind. Hey, good to be here.

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I could tag That'll be my calling card from now and just Yeah, I mean you would just sound like Jerry breathing into the mic.

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Okay, something more distinct Yeah And to my left

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I have joy the Pro repro

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Pro reproduction to be assured Pro birther over here a little bit more context though around, you know, we talked about it last week and Pete one of the the active names,

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I guess I should say that The pro boards were calling us. We're like you guys are pro reproduction

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It's funny bro birth. Yeah, they always so we're your parents. Yeah They always mean like by these pejoratives

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They try to like paint you as like right this negative way like when they first called us baby lovers

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Yeah sidewalk. Yeah, and it was like we were perfectly happy to own that So that means you hate baby.

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Yes, right which of us looks better Which of us is actually being offended

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Yes, we offended it's always interesting when you know, the opposition throws something at you and you're just perfectly willing to own it

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Yeah Yeah, that's me. Yeah, you know what you mean is Insult insulting or a pejorative.

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You're not pro -life. You're anti -abortion Okay, what you meant for evil gotten in for good, right?

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So we're gonna be discussing a lot today things of Liberty for the pre -born

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Some good things happen this week and are happening right now and some things we're going to rant about in a minute

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Before I do that, I would like to introduce my tool of Liberty today, which is my AR 15

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Multicam battle belt, which I've clearly to my shame had not had a chance to prepare it for battle

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You just put stuff in it you yeah, you got all the pouches and stuff just haven't done it

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So anyways, it's a great belt though, and we love air 500 they support us you should support them armored republic .com

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tools of Liberty Can I ask what you put in there? So you actually there's there's all kinds of pouches you can put for magazine

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Yeah, I'm like what? Joy's battle battle belt is a different kind.

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Well, actually right on the front. There's space for your pro repro sticker Yeah, right there. So you can you can put your extra mags and sidearm

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IFAX and all the things and and you could get one of these to put like a bottle Baby bottle and pacifier maybe spatula.

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Yeah Like a sandwich that is the most Misogynistic thing

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I've ever one sandwich You know for the road Actually, there's a dump pouch

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Where you can dump your extra mags in it, you could store a number of sandwiches and then it's pretty big

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Okay, so I'll bring that in one day and we'll see how many sandwiches we can fit in there. Oh, yeah, actually that sounds fun How many sandwiches can you fit in the air 500 dump?

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Let's just see you could fit a six -inch sub in there probably probably could actually so anyways air 500.

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We love them No king, but Christ, okay now the first thing

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I want to touch is The the Democrats Praise God Did not do what they said they were gonna do they tried right?

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So they've been saying ever since sleepy Joe came in the office that they were going to codify

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Roe into law and given the leak we discussed last week from the

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Dobbs case They were like we'll shoot We better we better jump on so Chuck Schumer was like we're doing it

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Wednesday in the Senate So they tried yesterday They tried really hard to Pat to codify

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Roe into law in the Senate and it was voted down. But by the way would have Legalized abortion exactly all nine months of pregnancy.

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Yeah up to birth abortion on demand. Yep. So just go look at a picture of freshly beautiful crying newborn baby and understand that if They got their way just moments before that baby was on the table

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It would have been legal and perfectly permissible for them to be killed Exactly, right. So all 50

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Republicans voted to block the bill. They needed 60 votes to pass it I'll fit the Republicans and of course the one

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Democrat From West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin joined with the Republicans, which everyone thought he would anyways

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So praise God for that. That's huge. That's really really huge and and so we just need to To just kick butt in the midterms here.

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Yeah, probably can see and honestly, that's just mercy from God It's it's just mercy.

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We deserve everything our nation deserves everything that we have coming to us and God just continues to stay his hand and Unfortunately Christians have been deluded into believing that they can

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Slide by or be okay was supporting a political party that runs on a campaign of baby murder

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Mm -hmm and I think we're seeing a lot of the fruit of that we're seeing a lot of the fruit of our

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Evangelical leadership that have been kind of coaxing Christians into saying no, it's okay.

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You can support these candidates Christianity is neither Republican nor Democrat, you know, you can do this and obviously there are problems in the

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Republican Party A ton of problems. There's a lot of cowardice There's a lot of not being consistent

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Not being consistent with you know Your convictions the platforms that you run on we can point to that and say you're being inconsistent like that's not right

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But to say, oh well Christians can you know support these? ungodly and completely wicked platforms and still walk through it with a clean conscience woe to any

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Christian leader or teacher that has Discipled us or taught us into believing that that is morally permissible.

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Yeah for a Christian to do it's it's awful 100 % so I'm actually gonna read some quotes here from this from yesterday.

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I mean just So the house passed a similar bill 218 to 211 last

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September. So if this would have gone through this the Senate then it would have gone to Sleepy Joe who would have gladly signed it.

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Oh, no doubt evil but I Wanted to show that this is so several women from the house

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Marched into the Senate chanting my body my decision and then stood there for this thing.

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So right But here's what here's what Sleepy Joe said And apparently he was awake for this

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So he probably didn't write it but He said once again And I'm gonna have

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I want joy to chime in here in a minute because you'll see why Once again as fundamental rights are at risk as the

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Supreme Court talking about the Dobbs case Senate Republicans have blocked passage of the Women's Health Protection Act, which

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There that's what it's called. It's abortion on demand and they're calling it the Women's Health Protection Act Give me a break a bill that affirmatively

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Protects access to reproductive health care this failure to act comes at a time when women's constitutional rights are under unprecedented attack and it runs counter to the will of the majority of the

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American people Wrong there Joe on the last point to hold just just hold.

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I know joy is ready to like just over a bottle over Just hold on I Republicans in Congress not one of whom voted for this bill have chosen to stand in the way of Americans rights to make the most personal decisions about their own bodies and families and lives

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To protect the right to choose voters need to elect more pro -choice senators this November so this is probably a ploy to try to get people to vote and in the

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Midterm and I had think they'll have a hard time cheating this time, but that's another discussion Anyways and return a pro -choice majority to the house if they do

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Congress can pass this bill in January and put it on my Desk so I can sign it into law So hold on.

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I'm not done yet. Just hold on. I want to get to so that's what Joe said making mental notes here

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And then I'm trying to find oh Here's what old Kamala said

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Afterwards she said sadly The Senate failed to stand in defense of a woman's right to make decisions about her own body what we are seeing around this country are extremist

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Republican leaders seeking to criminalize and Punish women for making decisions about their own body so Joy pro repro

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Let me hear and then I want to I want to hear I want to hear is that good I don't have a I don't have a rant fully stacked up, but There's so many problems with You can tackle so much of it.

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They're right. There's just a lot that From like you said the name

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Of the act mm -hmm. It doesn't actually do that There's no actual protection we could get into how come a woman is not responsible for the choices she makes with her body when it comes time to create a baby and then

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I don't know it just you could get into the the very

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The almost piety virtue signaling of pretending like you're protecting

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Women yeah, and what a hero you are Yeah, because you're gonna sign something

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That would codify a murder bill right into law Yeah there's a lot of problems and I mean and then you could the very the very least of which is that you have an entire culture that reads an article like that and goes

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You're right Kamala, you're right. They're attacking my rights Yeah, but they're not women are

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I mean Really if you want to get into it the United States has some of the most free women who are free to do anything

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They want to the point of murder. So I mean thanks to the Christian worldview in large part, right?

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so if you like freedom for right if you like rights and those kinds of great things then

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You're welcome Right. Well even just I mean even if you want to come if you want to play a little

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Comparison game with the rest of the world the fact that women are even allowed to publicly flaunt their promiscuous escapades

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Yeah I mean the fact that it's acceptable the fact that it's offensive to call a

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Prostitute a prostitute and you have to call them a sex worker The fact we have all these down to our very down to the way we speak about women.

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We have legislated this Yeah, it's like we we're doing the most Yeah, and it's the worst to the point where we're actually carving out a protected class of women

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Yes, and saying that they are able to kill their babies without fear of prosecution That's how many rights this group of this group of people like any any

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That the criminal element of murder no longer applies To them. Yeah, right.

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That's how many rights they have right? Oh, yeah Yeah, I technically have more rights than you guys yeah

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Well, I mean we are white Anglo colonizers,

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I guess you could say male sis, yes Chauvinist, I don't know good on the list.

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We have zero intersections Zero, I have to see you. We're parallel like we're just two two lanes

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Did you did you hear that Amazon I didn't see this Dennis told me this that Amazon Said they will if one of their employ if any of their employees have an abortion, they'll give them $4 ,000

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To cover the costs, you know, I don't think I did here, but it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, you know But I mean

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Everything that is being said That you just read there's so much that you could say to it this whole idea of not only rights women's rights, but Constitutional rights of a woman like I'm sorry, where is that in the

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Constitution? Yeah the right to murder someone Where is this supposed right to privacy?

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Oh and they'll say well, it's it's in the penumbra, right? It's in the shadow of the

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Constitution, right? Apparently nobody else is privy to be able to view this penumbra and this right to privacy which somehow includes the right to murder people in private

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Yeah that comes from Unelected lawyers But the point is they're able to Fabricate something that isn't even there.

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It doesn't say the words right reality is what we make it. Yeah Yeah, it says that because I say it does right this is a whole attempt to reconstruct and redefine reality apart from God apart from Christ and his

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Lordship and Everything that they're doing right now, you know arguing against even the bills at the state level saying oh well

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It does this and you know, it hurts women this way and it hurts women this way and it's even have Christians saying Well, do you think that they can make that case in the bill?

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Maybe they have a legitimate point I was like brother Listen up like if they say that they can find a right to murder people in private in the

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Constitution They'll find anything. Oh, it's like of course they could make a case to try to argue for this.

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Is it a good case? No, it's awful. But you know this whole idea of there being a constitutional right to kill people

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Just honestly shows how how awful and how subpar this kind of argument Isn't that interesting because they're saying that it's in the

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Constitution But then I've also say I've seen a lot of people saying this is not in the Bible. The Bible doesn't touch this

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So you have this like twofold argument, which is that it's in the Constitution and it's not in the Bible So why don't all y 'all?

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Republicans just all y 'all Republicans like chill out, right? It's not against the

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Bible and it is in the Constitution, but there's not really much argument past just those statements

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Which are not true, right? but as a matter of fact 14th Amendment of the

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Constitution states that no person shall be deprived of right and the Bible has quite a bit to say about Defending the rights of the innocent right now

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You're not allowed to strip away the rights of the innocent or you'll bring God's judgment and curse down upon you

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For doing such that such as that Yep, so that's that's one thing. We're gonna kind of hang our hat on here today is something

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I what I just read there one of the last things so keep in mind again. This is coming from the liberal left those who

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Want to be able to murder their children, this was Kamala said that Extremist Republican leaders seeking to criminalize and punish women for making decisions about their own body

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So keep in mind who that's coming from. Yeah, right and we're gonna move into Louisiana right now, so This is what we have going on.

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Currently. Like I said, we're we're monitoring things live here as we're doing the show So what tomorrow honestly when this comes out some of this

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Maybe old news, but We're hearing the exact same stuff from the

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Louisiana right to life And the pro -life establishment in Louisiana who have come out against our bill and are trying to stop it.

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So I'm gonna pull this up here. Hold on Kyle can you go ahead and switch to my screen?

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so this here is A tweet from the Louisiana right to life and you sharing this so, you know exactly what

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I'm talking about here This is these are the things that they're saying about our bill which is equal protection for for all life from the moment of conception it criminalizes abortion for those who are guilty of the abortion and it's simply the outworking of a consistent pro -life ethic if you say life is at conception then so Protection exactly must be right.

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So so those who are responsible for the abortion will be held accountable. That's the point of this law

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Right, and so remember keep in mind what I just said that the liberals are saying that the extremist

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Republicans want to criminalize Abortion yes, that's correct. Okay, so Here's the

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Louisiana right to life about our bill. It says the Abolish abortion law will not abolish abortion one

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Yeah, actually it will Just completely straight away. That's lie. It's a lie right there

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If criminal penalties are what you're after check out SB 342 a bill that would criminalize the dangerous and disgusting abortion injury

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What does that build? And it essentially exempts the mother from any prosecution. So it's it's essentially criminalizes it except for the mother

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It focuses on the abortionists primarily. Yeah, exactly, right Now, what does that sound like? It sounds like what

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I just read from Kamala And then it says plus it would treat our current body of pro -life laws as void another lie

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Including informed consent waiting periods minor protections ultrasound requirements and even other pieces of legislation.

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We've worked to pass since 1973 I'm gonna read a bunch of stuff from them. So we're gonna work through these but Go ahead.

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Yeah lies and more lies. Were you gonna was that you that was gonna say something? Sorry, I heard a no I breathed in because wouldn't that make a lot of stuff unnecessary?

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Yeah, and that's the point is it wouldn't yeah, it would get rid of waiting There shouldn't be a waiting period.

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That's not that's right. The correct term is Supersede not repeal right so it wouldn't remove those things from the text itself, but it would render them

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Unnecessary, right because after all if abortion is illegal, what do you need waiting periods for? Yeah, we don't need to legislate the width of the hallways in a clinic if yeah

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If they're not allowed to do What they're doing there, right? right, so it supersedes those

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Unnecessary statutes the pro -life statutes that sanction how the murder can take place where it can take place under what?

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circumstances by what instruments right all of those Regulatory measures that keep abortion illegal at the issue that they feel like they worked really hard and precise

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Doing their work. Yeah, precisely though their work Didn't isn't criminalizing

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That means they want to just regulate it and not get rid of it They explicitly say that in the tweet to like you'll undo the past 50 years of work and we're like, yeah, that's the point

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Yeah, it's it's not a good work. It's not accomplished the the goal

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Yeah, which is to stop the murder of unborn babies from happening. Yeah, exactly.

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The question is what are we? What are we trying to accomplish here? Yeah, I think we're all at the same goal There's something similar which

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I know you're in the middle of a thing here again talking about Well in relation to this bill in particular but also to the whole

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Roe v. Wade thing overturning Roe v. Wade the whole Birth control

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IVF thing People like that that tends to be an argument like oh

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But if you do this do what you don't realize is that you're gonna change everything about birth control

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But there's the it's it's sort of a non argument just like that's sort of a non -argument like if it kills a

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Fertilized egg that is now a person because it's a conceived person

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I'm not interested in protecting any birth control or any process that is going to Now it doesn't necessarily mean all of the like all birth control and I all

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IVF is gonna just be out the window any Abortifacient chemical with the intention to kill just it's being brought up as an argument, but that's just consistent with our position

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Yeah, like it's just consistent that we don't care about The waiting periods we just want it to be done and over with yeah

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We don't we don't care. We're not involved in your birth control choices, but if it involves the

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Determination or the Maybe even you don't even realize that it's terminating a baby then we're against that but they're bringing it up like We don't realize it's just so I don't know it's sort of a

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It's not even it like I said a non -argument. It's more of just like a Smokescreen. Yeah, and we're actually gonna get because we have a list of all

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Bradley put together a website They have that addresses all of the misconceptions about the bill simple We'll get to that and a number of those you just brought up around there

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So here this is how I know this is how I know God's at work right now Besides the what happened yesterday besides the

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Dobbs leak Kyle go ahead and pull my screen back up again So this was a tweet another tweet from this again

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Remember what Kamala said? This is what the Louisiana right -to -life is that they know what's amazing about this. Sorry. I'm all over the place today

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Just fired. We're We're forcing them to say out loud what we've been saying for years that they're saying and no one believes us, right?

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So not only actually publish it. Yeah, not only are they saying it out loud, but they're tweeting it. Yeah, it's amazing

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That's the thing Louisiana right -to -life said no mother should face criminal penalty for an abortion. Mm -hmm those extremist

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Republicans But here this is how I know God's at work Abby Johnson Who apparently who for a long time is opposed the idea of prosecuting women

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I'm not gonna go say she's an abolitionist, but she is now calling for Mothers who have an abortion to be held accountable.

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Mm -hmm, or you know, or at least those who are The ones that are responsible they're gonna be held accountable

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So here you can see Abby Johnson's been going after the Louisiana right -to -life, which is incredible. So I'm gonna scroll over here

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Right there, okay So here again Louisiana right -to -life women who choose

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Abortion are overwhelmingly victims themselves of domestic violence racism economic inequalities and over 60 % are coerced into doing so Where do they pull that statistic a little

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CRT language in there statistic from also I there are some I was

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I looked into one study that was being Like touted all over the place and a lot of times it's self -reporting

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Like they ask the woman. Why are you considering an abortion? And she says things like poverty.

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It's like, okay Well, what do you mean by that? Because a lot of people in our country mean well I can't send my child to a four -year university and that means they'll be born into poverty

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I'm not gonna afford my Starbucks every day, right? So because it's like it's it's not

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There's some variables in there that kind of make it not great It might be I feel like it turns into more of a poll and less of an actual scientific research study

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Which I hope we could see that there should be a difference between those two and if we're honest We really don't understand

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Abject poverty in our nation. No, no Right, but yeah, even the poorest of us

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Which yeah, which I'm not saying that there are there is no one out there That has considered an abortion because they are legitimate really really poor

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Yeah, I'm saying this could be totally based off of there It's still wrong. First of all, and second of all when they do studies like this a lot of times

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They're just asking the women. Yeah, and so the it's just the women reporting

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They're the answer You know, it's just yeah, it could be that kind of circumstance or they could be reporting.

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Yeah, my boyfriend really wants me to do it Oh sure, but is that coercion forced to do it? Yeah, my boyfriend's gonna leave me right if I don't do it also

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I mean don't even get me started on the domestic violence thing I'm not saying domestic violence doesn't happen.

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Um in relationships, but Well, we could go off in the weeds and yeah, someone would call me a victim blamer, right

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But um, but you're pointing out the subjective nature, right? It's possible that a woman may not actually

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She may be falsely reporting. Sure abuse. She's because she's not actually reporting it

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You're just asking her like why did you why are you considering this and in her mind? It might be like I don't like my boyfriend.

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We got into a bad fight last night So I'm calling that domestic violence. Like we don't point is you don't know when someone is just When someone in a study is an independent variable and you don't know

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What they actually mean when they're reporting something. It's not good. That's not Yeah, it's not good science.

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I think it's really important here, too. I don't think that we necessarily talk about this enough I really don't want to sidetrack where you're going, bro

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No, but um the the difference between categories of women to like oh sure There's a board there's abortion vulnerable women who are in dire circumstances who have things going on Yeah lives in which they're in a state of weakness and in panic about right this and what do

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I do about this baby? And this child and so those are the kinds that you see Okay, I need resources like I need to go to the pregnancy center

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I need to Get in touch with things that can help me support this baby and get a job and get a place to live and all this

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Stuff and that's who the pro -life Industry is ministering to primarily is that category of woman?

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Now on the other hand you have the actively aborting you have the mother that's at the clinic with intention to kill

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Yeah, those are two completely different women and bragging right completely different women But because they're ministering to one group of women and they're you know, giving them baby showers and all this stuff

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They feel like they're winning. They feel like we're making a difference. We're doing all this. We're providing mercy care, right?

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Yeah, the emphasis is mercy compassion love forgiveness all this stuff And meanwhile, they don't see any need to establish justice and actually criminalize the act

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For the ones that are going in and with full intention with full knowledge having their babies killed

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So we have to understand that there's two different categories of women here and because they think they're winning in one category that's who

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We that's who they think we're talking about and what they think we're being big meanies by saying, you know

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They're saying how can you hold, you know women account of prosecution? Like these women are exterior scared confused all this stuff when in reality we go to the clinics and it's like no victims here

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Well, totally right? Yeah Well, and a lot of times the women that you're ministering to that you've called away from a clinic

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That's not a guilty person can we just point that out right a person who walks into a

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Planned Parenthood with the intention of killing their child and then Doesn't do it is not guilty of murder certainly guilty of sin, right?

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And they need Christ for that and forgiveness, but they're not guilty of a crime, right? Right exactly. That's a great point so here they said after Finish that tweet.

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They said our policy as an organization is protecting Vulnerable women from the abortion industry that preys on them for their profit but Not the not the woman in the womb, right, of course, right and so again

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They're they want to protect the the mothers and the women but they're not really all in and protecting the little women in the womb

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And you're I mean to go back to what you're saying there a second ago. It's act like yeah, we know again the

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The the mother that is coerced Truly coerced is the exception not the rule.

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That's right. She's also protected by criminalizing abortion Because if she doesn't want to be a part of a murder and then a murder takes place it's

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It's illegal. Yeah, so now she has the ability to report a murder She like there is you should there is no reason to keep murder legal

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Because some people are being coerced to being witnesses to murder or exactly like that's not right

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That's not at all. And if anything if you if the whole point of criminalizing Abortion is

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Obviously justice, but also there's a deterrent factor exactly It's actually if you're there's actually an element of coercion taking place and the person who is doing the coercion is

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Now the person that is guilty, right? that's right, and that's exactly one of the objections to the bill in Louisiana is that it will

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Make it so that you know women being coerced are guilty But we have state statutes that actually protect people from being coerced in the event of a murder of a born person, right?

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Yeah, and all that this bill is saying is that that has to apply to pre -born people too, right? And so We think that the person that is genuinely guilty of coercion ought to be charged and Charged with what the offense would have been right, right?

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They should charge with murder right if it's found out that they did it evidence witnesses all of that stuff

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They go through the justice system and adjudicate the matter. Yeah, there's protections in the law for that kind of thing exactly, right again

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Those who are accountable are responsible will be held accountable and that's the point. Yeah Legitimately, of course say it was a young woman or a young girl and it was her mom or the grandma or Say it was the boyfriend or the pimp or whoever that was forcing her to to murder her child

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They're gonna be held accountable precisely But it needs to be proven in the court of all just like any other murder case and that's the point is equal protection

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Equal justice for all due process for everybody. Would you believe that people that are trying to?

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Put all these bills in for laws are interested in murder being a

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Legal matter. It's not like we're not suggesting that you just find people in the streets who have had abortions

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The whole point is to set a legal precedent and to go through the law

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Go through a trial There is not any part of this that that involves weird vigilante

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Justice. Yeah Great point, right? We're not we're not a Batman. We're actually involved in the law.

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We're doing it Yeah, it's lawful. Yeah, we are pro -law. Yeah, yes, and that carries over to not just the

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Prosecution the trial all that stuff. We're not the lawless people in that sense. We're advocating for lawfulness

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But also when it comes to the issue of abortion itself and this idea of saying no to federal tyranny

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When the Supreme Court says no you have to obey and allow babies to be killed in your state and we're saying well

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No, we can't do that You have to follow the Constitution right because that's what you swore an oath to uphold and so you need to uphold that Otherwise, we have to defy you right because our highest loyalty is to the law of the land

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Constitution, of course God above that right Christ, but we're advocating not for lawlessness worth being the lawful ones and saying you can't

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Violate your oath that you swore to the highest authority, right? So in all of this discussion whether we're talking about, you know, the legal element in that regard

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Trials justice that justice system or whether we're talking about defying federal tyranny. We're talking about being lawful

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Yeah, following the law Following the law when others won't exactly right exactly, right.

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So here they go on to say don't Sorry criminalize abortionists who know exactly what they're doing Tearing a baby limb from limb and destroying a mother's soul and sometimes even her body

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Restore justice for mom and baby love them both don't criminalize abortion vulnerable women our culture needs restoration

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Women have been lied to about pregnancy By the abortion industry coerced by abusers and even by well -intentioned people

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I think I read those in reverse order, but I hate Twitter. I can never figure out what order to read I we talked about this other day.

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I don't know anyways So there's a lot in there. So again, the point though is

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I mean they had even Louisiana right to life on Tuesday had a Rally same place we did

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We had probably four times as many people. Yeah, praise God for that. Yeah But it was you know, it's very short it was like 15 minutes long or something but they made this entire rally was all about protecting the mothers and not the babies they very

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Hardly even mentioned the babies like it was all about the mothers and again Yes, we don't want to criminalize

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Those women that are not guilty. I mean, that's the point of this is to protect them That's what this law would do would protect them the mothers that were coerced that were forced into doing it but to say that That the abortion abortionist knows exactly what they're doing, but the mothers don't that they've been lied to there again

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There's those instances. But again The majority of the women that we've seen at the mills know exactly what they're doing.

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They're proud of it. They're bragging about it Yeah, the vice president said it's It's their right

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Yeah, right there is no like in in our culture

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It's our right to do it. Yeah Like we get to like as Americans like it's a celebrated right?

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Yeah to murder your baby Yeah, and it ought to be protected by like like how does that I just don't buy the and with all the publicity that this issue gets like I just don't buy that as many people are just Blissfully ignorant as they want to say

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Right, like even women who I've heard. Oh my gosh countless stories of women that just they went to go

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And knew it was wrong the entire time And saw someone standing out there calling out or holding a sign or whatever and they just left

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Yeah, they just left because there he knew yeah, there he knew it was wrong without like you just reminded them without reading a sign like they they're and women who say women who say okay,

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I'm going but like God, give me a sign. Yeah, like some weird sort of and we're a version of a prayer that does show us a sign

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Yes on the side of the side and and it's like it you and then they are talking about long -lasting emotional effects

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It's like you know, they know right they know what's happening even Even Even women that you could try to attempt to paint in the most innocent light possible.

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Mm -hmm They know mm -hmm. They know you're not. I'm sorry You please you cannot convince me that a mother

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Does not know her baby right is a baby and that it's that it is the is one of the most fundamentally

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Unnatural unbiologically natural And otherwise things for a woman to do is to kill her child.

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Yeah. Yes, because she's a bearer of life You know by nature, you know, you know, yes, it is written on your heart

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That's and that's that's the key right there is are we are we listening to what the Bible says about the woman?

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Are we believing what God says about her? Are we believing what she says about herself right or what other people say about her you you hit the nail on the head the

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Work of God's law is written on every human heart and the conscience bears witness That conscience is only sufficient to condemn them

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That's why they need God's revelation to give them salvation and to point them to Christ but the reality of the fact is that they know inherently and when they sin against their own bodies and they

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Deceive themselves and the foolishness of their own hearts They are suppressing the truth and unrighteousness, but what is that it's truth that they already know right they have that truth already well, what truth that God created them that he made them male or female and Therefore we inherently know how we're supposed to live how

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God oriented us what the blueprint is how we're to conduct ourselves What we're to do with our bodies all of that like it's sex specific.

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Yeah, God doesn't make us people Male and female and so to deny that fundamentally is just to take an anti -christian unbiblical view of the human person and to have a false philosophical starting point and say that They just don't know and it's like meanwhile.

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The other side over here is saying. Oh, we know Right, we know we know what we're doing. Right and you know, we know that that's a baby and we just don't care

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Yeah, and so I mean that alone should just tell you everything you need to know right there

41:56

Amen so this is what we're dealing with currently in, Louisiana, and it's it's gone back here to live.

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So Oh on our feed. No the house. They're meeting.

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Okay, so they so If you're not aware what's going on our I mentioned earlier pastor

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Jeff and our team is out there right now The our HB 813 or our equal protection bill.

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Yes, HB 813 scheduled to go To Debate here on the floor in the house in Louisiana and actually we're in that section now

42:34

Regular order of the day, right? Well, it's it's actually in if you look at the list, it's actually in the section

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Danny's bill is in that section. We're in that part of the oh we are. Yeah. Okay. It's at the bottom, but we're in that Oh, yes,

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I see it now. Okay. So what had happened right as we were starting? We were watching kind of monitoring things live was going through and then all of a sudden they made a weird announcement to For all the

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Republicans to meet in a side room and we're like what the heck is going on What is this all about? Right? Well, then we caught word from pastor

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Jeff that they Essentially one of the one of the reps who was gonna vote Yes for our bill tipped us off tipped us off and said look they're pulling.

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This is the Republicans Louisiana rights life is yes. One more time Republicans. Yeah pro -lifers

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Yeah, they brought all the Republicans together and started spreading lies about this bill, which we'll get to Trying to convince all the

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Republicans not to vote for this bill. And so it essentially put the entire Proceedings on hold and so that's what we've been monitoring

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So they had a probably a 30 45 minute side meeting. They came back now We're in that section so we're gonna be monitoring when to get to that point but That's that's the kind of stuff.

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They're on there. They're literally Intentionally spreading lies about this bill in order

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To get the Republican legislators to not vote for it. And can we talk about the point that they're pressing on right now?

43:59

Yes, and so yeah, yeah, so I was that's exactly what I was going so I mentioned earlier when when joy was talking about there's

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Bradley Pierce put together who authored the bill he put together a website today.

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He dropped to the head that answers specifically The objections to this bill the lies that are being said about the bill.

44:20

Um, so I'll just quickly Kyle you wanna go and pull this up Quickly, well would the bill prohibit in vitro fertilization?

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That's a big lie. They're saying we talked about this last week When we had Bradley on and he's like, no absolutely not but it would prohibit unethical

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IVF meaning if you're gonna create these embryos you use the embryos you create don't

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Create 50 of them and use six and then just throw them in the trash Because I'm for later and slave them.

44:52

Yeah, exactly Could a mother who willfully killed her own child go to jail again? We just we just discussed that If the mother willfully killed her own child knew what she was doing

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She's guilty of murder and just to press on it. It's this bill doesn't establish penalties. It just it just eliminates discriminatory exceptions so whatever there whatever

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Louisiana's Penalty for murder is that's right, right? Right, right based on the proceedings that happen as it's investigated.

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But the point is everybody is under the same law That's what we're saying exactly so the bill saying so next would be

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Would the would the bill ban contraceptives again? No, you just talked about that abortifacients.

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Yes our position regardless of what the means is our position is

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That life begins at conception So you will not be able to make us feel bad about removing

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Any method that involves that right? I'm not gonna be like, oh, oh,

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I wonder what the answer that is No, the answer is still the same. Yeah Life begins a conception.

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So anything not just Abortions any pills any procedures, however, you want to paint it whatever story you want to tell yourself

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Conception So I'm okay with getting rid of Anything any of the tools used to kill an unborn baby, yeah, absolutely

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So here's the one Oh, wait, sorry. I didn't get there yet. Could anyone who has been involved with an abortion in the past?

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Yes, this one in the past be prosecuted. So this is the one yes They just trying to form a coup with right in inside the house.

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They say they are trying to tell them that Women who have had abortions in the past Prior to this law going in effect if it's voted in would be guilty and prosecuted for murder and that's 100 % absolutely false

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From the past 10 years. They're saying we're not it's it cannot be done Retroactively and that's what they're trying to say.

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This is the Republicans This is what the national or the Louisiana right to life is telling the Republicans this bill does

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Brothers and sisters, they don't actually want to end abortion Yeah, it's evident

47:19

So patently false, yeah, it's in the bill. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's just a lie. Yeah, just a lie.

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So Quickly is this bill unconstitutional? No, absolutely not. Could the the bill punish women who have had miscarriages?

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That's another lie that's being said. No, that's just stupid It's stupid quit saying that natural death versus intentional murder.

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Yeah, that's it. Do we know the difference? Yes Yes, okay, we absolutely know the difference our law knows the difference yes

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So another one Could a mother for forced into an abortion be convicted again?

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We discussed that and no absolutely not Does this bill defy the US Supreme Court? No with the bill allow doctors to deal with medical emergencies like ectopic pregnancies

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Yes, and this again was another lie. We were hearing like it's basically saying well if you have an ectopic pregnancy, you could be

48:13

You could be charged No, why would you even suggest that but that's the lies that are being said

48:21

I like how our Like our whole position is built around being anti -murder and yet the idea is that we don't know what murder.

48:29

Yes Like no, it's pretty clear. We definitely did the reading on this one kind of like women, right?

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Right. This is all advocated around Womanhood right and it's like well, what's that?

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Right? What is a woman? Right, and as we know that most of the other side can't even define them

48:47

Yeah so unless last one here is and this honestly I think is what the biggest fear from the

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Republicans has been in all these different states is what if the federal government cut funding or tried to enforce

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Roe? I think legitimately the the legislators are Afraid that if they try to defy the federal beast that they're gonna lose funding for their state

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So ultimately it comes down to money Well, if we if we pass this law, then we're not gonna get the money

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We need for all these programs and go down the list and so they're putting all these other things ahead of the lives of our pre -war neighbors

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Go ahead or their political careers or that or their spotless voting record or their

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Legislation that they've worked so hard to put into place to protect some lives There there are a variety of reasons, but I think you hammered on the other major one, which is

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I Mean he who takes the king's coin becomes the king's man You know, you read the book of Nehemiah when he's reconstructing the wall.

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He denied the king's provisions why because he knew that when you take those you become a slave and your allegiance is

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Pulled away from where it should be and I mean essentially the state is bribing you.

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Oh The government is bribing you and that perverts justice God's Word says that he who takes a bribe

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Whether it's to shed innocent blood or anything else it perverts justice And so you can't even be just in your own life if you're taking bribes in that sense.

50:25

Amen so That's a good movie by the way at the Kingsman you see that is that the one where they're like secret agents

50:33

It's a prequel to the Kingsman So there's two. Okay, the Kingsman there's I haven't seen

50:39

Kingsman was a prequel. I watched it Excuse me. There's that frog again. I watched it came back

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I watched it on the way to Louisiana. Okay when we went It's a good movie.

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Yeah, I have to check it out I Don't have much else to say on that right at the moment.

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That's where we're at with things Yeah, we're kind of like I said, we're monitoring this we'll be getting to this bill here in the next hour.

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So hopefully but we'll be done Yeah, hopefully it comes soon. I know that the guys have been there You know inside the rotunda and Baton Rouge at the

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Capitol. Everybody's been rallying There's a good turnout good support of brothers and sisters that showed up there.

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They're singing hymns. Yeah very loudly You know right in the middle of things there

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They were having messages and to see Christians show up and to see the kind of unity there amongst the brethren is really encouraging

51:31

Yes, and I think that no matter what the outcome is today. We have to be encouraged that During times of you know reformation and and things that lead to revival like there's this cooperation between Kings and priests like if you look at scripture and you see these times of downturn and spiritual apostasy

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When you start seeing ministers of the gospel go to their legislators go to kings and you see this harmony there that's now existing because the

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Word of God is going to the place of authority going to the magistrates and then you have Cooperation in the different spheres that God has ordained.

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That's a precursor to Reformation you know when art is Xerxes sends Ezra the prophet to Teach and enforce the law of God in Israel.

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That's a pagan king He sent Ezra to teach and enforce the law of God amongst the people and so there's this

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Harmony there that is existing now as the nation's come to realize that the law of God is just it's righteous

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This is what justice looks like and so no matter what the outcome today. I think we can be

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Cheerful and expectant about what this could mean for the future in terms of God Blessing the faithfulness and and the witness of his people, but it's not gonna come about come about unless it's repentance first Yeah, we have to repent for not taking this seriously for the apathy that's been involved in this

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We have to repent in our homes and our families and our churches. We have to restore true worship worship has to be central

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And all of those things are precursors to revival and Reformation, but we have to be right in our in ourselves

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We have to be right in our churches as we're doing this work and just pray that God will bless it and and bring about A very positive result because we're teaching right now.

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This is this law absolutely bills like it We're teaching people what justice looks like.

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Yeah, and that's a process it takes time You know, but the law is a teacher and so Lord willing this is gonna instruct not only magistrates

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But the culture and the world that when it comes to this issue in particular, this is what justice looks like So yeah, amen.

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And and you know, I I read Psalm 2 at the beginning for a reason because we need to We need to get our legislators to realize who they're working for one.

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Yeah, they work for us. We the people We pay them We we vote them in and Unfortunately, they're not really ultimately afraid of those that they work for.

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Yeah, right. They're afraid of the the In this case a pro -life lobbyists establishment

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They're afraid of them They're afraid of the federal beast They're afraid of losing their power

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But they're definitely not afraid of God and that's why they I read that I need to kiss the Sun they need to realize that they

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Will be held accountable to God whether or not they they

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Lose power or stay in power. It doesn't matter. They're gonna be held accountable for this. They have an opportunity to stop abortion

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Today, yeah in their state and we'll see what happens but but we need to as as the church as Christ bride, we need to Do a better job of not sitting on the sidelines and getting involved in and making

54:56

These elected officials aware of who they work for and and like you said, this is this is if anything this is a teaching opportunity and it's an opportunity to hold hold those legislators accountable and if they fail today

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They need to be held accountable for that and and it's also serves as a warning. Yes, right because then

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I had an opportunity for a prophetic warning and rebuke exactly and these a lot of these children's on your hands

55:24

Yes, and so these legislators that are in office now and those Elected in the future need to know that if they don't do the right thing they will be held accountable and so yeah, yeah all that to say like So many good things happening right now that it's

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God's blessing like we talked about and yeah Even this even if it doesn't go the way we want it to go. It's still yeah, it's blessed just pray

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Yeah, just pray pray for the whole thing. Yeah. Well, it's just it's a very powerful move even just for the

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Christian to deny the weird Neutrality that we pretend like in the marketplace in the public sphere

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We Pretend like we should just have a private personal faith, but abortion is a religious act yep, and say it again and There has been a lot of worship, especially since the

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Roe v. Wade leak. Yeah, there has been a lot of worship happening Us a lot of secular worship that oh totally they would have you think is completely neutral and You know, that's sort of just the neutral state of Man, and you shouldn't insert your religion or force anyone your religion onto anybody

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But they've actually been forcing their religion on us for quite a few decades now and The only way that fixes itself is if Christians stop

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Pretending playing make -believe in this fake reality But secularists want to pretend that God doesn't exist because they hate him

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And so we need to stop Pretending that there is a world that God isn't totally sovereign over.

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That's right. So here we are It's so huge man, that point is so so big we need to stop pretending with them.

57:20

Yeah. Yep. Yep So one one thing I want to end on here and I know we talked about this last week But as a reminder if you're new to this conversation

57:29

Assuming the Dobbs case in the Supreme Court goes the way we think it's going to go say they overturn row

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Which there should be an announcement. I think Monday or Tuesday that one. I think so. That's the last I heard So assuming that it goes that direction

57:43

Abortion will still be legal in many conservative states Because of the pro -life industry so in Louisiana, they do have a trigger law

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Which is probably the best trigger law that I've heard but still and it's still bad You know if Rose overturned abortion will be illegal, but it's only a $1 ,000 fine and Right now cost about $800 to have an abortion.

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So and plus if you work for Amazon, they're gonna cover the cost They'll cover that fine. Anyway, so You know, it's really not the big of a deal and it's a $25 ,000 fine to kill your dog

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Yeah in Louisiana in Louisiana. We should just as a rule not take half measures when it comes to murder

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We should not we should not pretend that murder is unkind. It's murder.

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Yeah It's a violation of a part of humanity. Yeah So There was like if you saw someone getting murdered on the street

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Your response would not be a half measure Your response would be

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I need to do whatever it takes to stop that murder from happening I don't care about who is being murdered or what what the murderer was going through beforehand

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Or maybe that I Don't know like it's not about it's not it's we just don't take half measures to murder

59:08

Yeah, you so you basically what it comes down to is you either believe it's murder or it's not and if you're acting like it's not murder

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Then I'm not gonna believe you if you say that's the distinction You say you believe it, but are you acting like people are dying right?

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Yes, or they're just people are being unkind to them Right. Yeah, it's like hmm, right

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Sorry, so I was just gonna say like here in Arizona If if Rose overturned in the Dobbs case

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It is illegal. It currently is illegal in the books for the abortions. We've talked a ton about this

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HP 13 -3 603 but again the pro -life industry Kathy Herod Center for Arizona policy last year struck down 13 -3 604 which criminalize it for the mother.

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So if Rose overturned a mother can go abort her child can murder her child

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Without any penalty. She's free to do so Thanks to the pro -life establishment

01:00:04

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01:00:20

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