May 16, 2023 Show with Wil Stelzer & Cory Gelbaugh on “Why We Chose a Classical Christian School Model”

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I'm thrilled to have another opportunity to talk about the importance of classical Christian education and to do so today. We have a first-time guest and also a returning guest. Our first time guest Is a young man whose father I have known for decades.

His father is Ron Stelzer the pastor of our Savior Lutheran Church in Missouri Synod congregation in Center each Long Island, New York but will Stelzer is the principal of our Savior New American School in center each and It's my honor and privilege.

First of all to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio will Stelzer.

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

It's great to have you here and also returning to the program for a second time is Corey Gelbaugh, he's the founder and president of the Board of Directors at Logos School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania. He was also the sponsor of an exhibitor booth at my most recent iron sharpens iron radio free pastors luncheon in Loisville, Pennsylvania.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Corey Gelbaugh. Thanks Chris great to talk to you again, and I'm gonna give our listeners our email address right away If they have questions about classical Christian education.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris a RN z en at gmail .com. As always give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence.

First of all, I'd like you to both Introduce your schools to our audience by giving them a description. Let's hear will about our Savior new American school in center each, Long Island, New York. I know it's been around for decades.

But most of that time it has not been a classical Christian school and that's a fairly new Transition that you're going through but tell us about this wonderful school.

Yes, well the school started in 1992. My dad had placed my sister and I in public school and was unhappy with the education that we were receiving there and what we Were being taught there. So he stepped out in faith and started a school at the church With the founding principal and there was just a dozen kids to start in one room all different grades and It was Just that that one room for a while and then we expanded shortly after that into classes and Grew to the point where we decided to build a building Attached to the church and that was a blessing and purchased some fields as well.

So we had some good momentum Going there and I graduated from the school in 2001. Came back and taught at the school after I did my bachelors for a couple years before going off to do graduate work and After graduate work went to Portland and Las Vegas and served in schools in those areas and then I was called back to serve as The Dean of Students in preparation to take over as the principal because the founding principal was retiring.

So I was blessed to do that and this is my third year doing that and When I took the job I Didn't have any formal principal training just you know teacher training and Been in schools involved with schools all my life, but I set about to talk to people investigate what's the best way to educate a child and Became convinced that the classical education was a great option for children.

So we're yes, we are in this transitional phase and It's been great being able to give myself.

A.

Classical education in the process. But the the school it wasn't formally classical, but it did have Classical underpinnings. We did teach Latin from the start and I was blessed to learn Latin and introduced logic as well.

And With with Christ always at the center a Christ centered education has been the goal from the start. So that's just a little bit about our school.

Great, if anybody wants to Investigate more details about our Savior New American School in Center Reach, Long Island. The website is OSNAS standing for our Savior New American School OSNAS org OSNAS org and I'm very excited that Pete Hegseth of Fox News is Returning to Long Island, New York To do his second fundraiser This one for our Savior New American School in Center Reach, Long Island, he did another Fundraising he was a keynote speaker at another fundraising banquet for another classical Christian school on Long Island Grace Christian Academy Which is the school being run by the church where I was formerly a member on Long Island Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York.

And I had the honor and privilege of being the keynote speaker for that. I'm sorry I was the emcee the master of ceremonies before that fundraising banquet where Pete Hegseth was the keynote speaker and so I'm thrilled he's coming back to Long Island because he did an Absolutely mind-blowing job a magnificent job Spelling out the the great enormous vital importance of classical Christian education in his keynote address that night I was really Completely impressed And as I said before blown away By his message.

I've always appreciated hearing him on Fox News, but obviously What he has to say is Usually shortened Because when a host is interviewing people, they're typically not speaking it for great lengths of time.

But to see him deliver a full speech like that Was an honor and privilege to hear And got the front row seat right in front of the podium to hear that. So I'm looking forward to hearing praise reports about His second address for a second school on Long Island our Savior New American School in center Each and I'm praying to work things out so I can be there in attendance.

I'm not a hundred percent sure yet I will be there, but I'm going to try. How can people register for this fundraising banquet? Well.

Yes, you can simply go to Osnos dot org OS and a s dot o RG and you'll see right there on the front page home page. There's a link where you can register. It's it's it's it's quite simple.

Great. Well, I hope as many of you who are in the center each Long Island area will make an effort to register for this and support a Very worthy cause even if you don't have children or even if your children.

Are.

Live too far away from center each to register them for The our Savior New American School, you'll be supporting a very worthy cause nonetheless to have another Classical Christian school on Long Island.

In fact, there are only two right now. Am I am I correct you and your school? Our Savior New American School and Grace Christian Academy in Merrick, aren't those are the only two.

That's correct one in Nassau and one in Suffolk.

Great. Well We can only pray that these or this Ideology of education catches on and that we see These classical education schools popping up all over Long Island. Now if you could Corey Corey Gelbaugh tell us about Logos School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

Yes, so we are in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. We are in our startup year this year. So we have not been around that long. Formed in 2022. When my daughter turned four, she's now a kindergartner at Logos School.

I became convicted that I wanted to Tell her a different story about the world and the the secular schools were telling.

And.

I came across a video on YouTube From the Logos School out in Moscow, Idaho Called Geronimo Amen about starting a classical Christian school and I told my wife we're gonna start this for My daughter Jovi's kindergarten year and she said no we're not doing.

Now she's the head of school at Logos School here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania and She has really embraced that role Last last year at this time. I Believe my daughter was the only student that we had enrolled by the beginning of the year.

We had 40 students and now going into our second year we are capping off enrollment at 80 students, so God's really blessed us. It's certainly nothing that we have Done but other than trying to stay faithful To his word and Let him build it and people have entered the picture that have given us All the resources that we need and it's it's really been a great start up here and we're looking forward to ours our.

Second year next year great. And if anybody wants more details about Logos School in Carlisle, Pennsylvania They have a website that you can go to. It is Logos School PA com. Remember that there are two s's side-by-side.

Sometimes when you type out a Website where there are Two words next to each other one ending in the same letter that the other word begins with. People forget to include that second s. But it's Logos School PA com.

Logos School PA com. Well as we do always on this show will Stelzer Whenever we have a first-time guest we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony. We already know from my opening remarks that you were a Preacher's kid a pastor's kid raised in a Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

But even the Children of Lutheran pastors don't always have the same exact identical salvation testimony. Some Believe they have been Christians from their earliest stages of life that they can remember having conscious thought.

They don't remember a time when they were not in love with Jesus and seeking to follow him and obey him and where they were conscious that they had a Been given a new heart from from Jesus Christ and so on.

But there are others who have a different story. Not all preachers kids Demonstrate that they are children of God from their tiniest Days of childhood. Some of them experience that later in life. So tell us about your story.

Sure, yes coming from the Lutheran Church I believe that I was adopted into God's family through the waters of baptism when I was very young and that I've been fed a Great diet Through my parents ever since then of the Word of God.

So yes that's that's been a blessing in my life that I've been able to be working in the vineyard from the earliest hours and Yes, hope to hope to do so all my life.

Great, and if anybody wants to hear Corey's testimony if you go to the archive of I am sharpened Zion radio .com and You type in Hegseth H E G S E T H when we had Pete Hegseth on the program Along with Steve Schultz and Corey Gelbaugh to discuss classical Christian education and also to promote the fundraising Dinner that they had last year.

You can hear more about Corey's testimony that he already gave when he was a first-time guest. Well, uh. Perhaps we'll start with you this time. Corey why don't you give us a working definition of classical education for the sake of our listeners who did not hear your last interview and Are not familiar with that term that this may be an entirely new concept to many listeners even Christians and even perhaps Headmasters and principals of Christian schools, they might not have even have heard of this concept yet, but tell us about What is a classical?

Christian school. Yeah, so the the Christian part of it is The integration of all subject matter with the with the scriptures at the center. Which is something that I think a lot of Christian schools do well.

But that we place a particular emphasis on all knowledge cohering in Christ so that when you learn You're actually learning about the Creator no matter if you're in Science or English, you're not picking up and starting a new subject.

You're you're learning about God the whole time because Fear the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. The classical part Refers to teaching methodology as as well as the content. So as as far as content goes we we study the great books of history which we would define as those books with that have stood the test of time and.

Largely our curriculum is building on the heritage of the West because at this point in Church history Western civilization is has been the the stage of the growth of the kingdom of God. And so as as Christians We're interested in what the Holy Spirit has accomplished to this point in history and we study the the great minds and the great ideas of history to be able to frame them in the context of God's Word.

See where our best minds have gone wrong with what they've gotten right and really. Have a map for our students that has an X on it in their minds that says we are here so they can.

Learn.

Their context and what the Holy Spirit has to accomplish in the future. As far as methodology We as classical Christian schools Teach according to the medieval trivium and within the Trivium there are three stages grammar logic and rhetoric.

The grammar stage would be the acquisition of foundational facts like learning the language of each subject as though Sort of like background music so they're they're acquiring facts in math that would be math facts in English.

It would be parts of speech in history of the mountains rivers dates and timeline. Once they get a little bit older and they want to They get good at arguing we teach them how to do it well in the logic phase where they sort out and organize those facts and Then in the rhetoric phase we teach them how to present those arguments when winsome Lee and well and convince others so they can go out there into the world and become leaders and As far as how is that?

How is this biblical? Classical methodology, I think It if you if you consider how God grows up his children in the Bible You could you could draw an analogy between the trivium and Knowledge Corresponding to the grammar phase understanding corresponding to the logic phase and Wisdom corresponding to the rhetoric phase or even priest king and prophets but I think that At its core we see education as being the cultivation of goodness according to God's standard which persists from age to age.

So, I hope I hope that helps and.

Also, I have heard a slogan attached to classical Christian education. The slogan is we teach students how to think not what to think. Would you view that as an appropriate slogan for Logos school in Carlisle, and if so, if you could explain that a little bit further.

Yeah, exactly. We teach them how to think so that they can learn they learn how to be human beings. They learn how to go out into the world and whatever. They're called towards Excelling it because they can easily acquire This the trade-specific knowledge that whatever vocation they end up in Requires because they have learned how to think and learn any new subject.

And that's particularly important these days when Students who learn how to think will really stand out from those in a progressive education Who have been told what to think and have no coherence in? what they've learned across subjects and.

Will Stelzer as you've already stated before Our Savior New American School in Center Each Long Island existed. I believe you said since 1992 and although had some of the elements that would be a part of classical Christian education it was not officially nor wholly a Classical Christian school, how did you and or your father Ron find out about classical Christian education and Tell us about the compelling factors that were involved.

To bring you and everybody else in decision-making authority over there to the point of saying we've got to Transition our Savior New American School into a classical Christian school.

Oh.

Sure. Well when my dad was starting the school I know he was familiar with Doug Wilson in the early 90s and Believe he went out there to Idaho To just investigate a little bit on his own. So learned about some of the important features and facets of classical education brought that home with him and For me when I took over I had some conversations with my sister who's actually a Professor of English at Houston Christian University now.

It's called where Luis Marcos and some other people who are pretty well known in classical education circles teach. And she she talked to me about it. Her husband talked to me about it. I also went online did a lot of investigation of my own saw that that video that Corey was referring to as well as many others and Just said no, this is it.

This is a this is a well-rounded education that allows And empowers students to think logically to communicate effectively and to live virtuously. So When once I became convinced of that I just did as much study as I as I could started reading classical books The Bible being number one always read that one but also Homer and your your Greek philosophers your Greek playwrights your your Greek historians and then your Romans and On through Augustine and and all through Shakespeare down to the present day.

And just found it to be very intriguing and a good way of of growing.

In.

In virtue and aspiring to what is good true and beautiful.

Great, and we are going to our first commercial break and If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own or will. Stelzer of our Savior New American School in Long Island, New York and also Corey Gelbaugh Founder and president of the Board of Directors at Logos School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

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We're now back with our guests today Will Stelzer principal of our Savior New American School in Center Each Long Island, New York and Corey Gelbaugh founder and president of the board at Logo School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

We are discussing why we chose a classical Christian school model. And we're also promoting the fact that our Savior New American Schools fundraising banquet Featuring Pete Hegseth as the keynote speaker is taking a place This Saturday and we hope that as many of you will register to attend that banquet as possible.

For more details on that. You can go to the website of our Savior New American School OS and a s .org OS for our Savior and a s for New American School org OS and a s .org. We have a listener named CJ and Lyndon Hearst Long Island, New York.

He has a question specifically for Will Stelzer and He asks well, how did the teachers that were already employed at our Savior New American School Before it was a classical school adjust to the change.

While you have transformed and transitioned into a classical Christian school.

Yeah, that's a great question and Yeah, one of the most challenging aspects To not just understand it yourself, but to be able to convey that vision that pedagogy to everyone else that is teaching the children, so One of the things about classical education is it's a love for learning hopefully to inspire Students this thirst for learning and that should apply equally to the teachers.

So it's about first and foremost having perpetual students on the staff people who are willing to grow in every way they understand that they don't know everything and that we there's a lot out there to learn so it starts with an attitude of humility an attitude of loving to learn and as long as you have people like that on your staff, then You're going to be able to communicate the the vision of classical education because It's it's the the proof is in the pudding there's a lot of Literature out there now about the success of classical education and how it's effective.

So so that's that's part of it is showing that this does not Mess up kids. It helps kids it blesses kids. It allows them to Become good thinkers to become good communicators to become people who are Virtuous who love what is good true and beautiful.

So it's it's about Taking a long-term approach not trying to change everything all at once but to introduce You know topic by topic thing by thing. So we're we're not going to arrive there right away, but we are getting closer and closer every every single day that's our goal and that's just part of the new teacher training to every year you can have a teacher that leaves a teacher that comes in and.

And the process starts again, but it starts with the attitude of the teachers. What what type of a person are you hiring?

Any of the teachers Provide any pushback who were kind of stubborn about remaining in the old ways of thinking and so on. I.

Wouldn't say directly so. No, I I've been blessed with Inheriting a great group of servant minded teachers who have got on board with the vision of the school and And put in the work to come to professional development to listen at faculty meetings to allow me to sit in on their classes and reflect together on on the lessons and Talk about classical pedagogy and and what that means.

So no, I've really really been blessed in that sense. Otherwise, this would be a lot more difficult. But I thank God for for the the staff and the faculty that have have been willing to get on board.

Praise God. We have another question from Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York and Ronald said I heard earlier Corey listing the things that are specifically unique to Classical Christian education as far as the classes that are taught.

He mentioned Latin and he mentioned the classics that are not necessarily Uniquely Christian. I was wondering if he could give a more detailed list of some other things that might be present at a classical Christian school.

Yes.

I'm sorry, that's for me or will he said Corey? Okay. I think we'll mention Latin.

But the the great books of history so along with the last question of Teaching teachers how to teach classically We actually had no teachers. Who started with any classical experience in our startup year last year?

And so this is kind of the learning Process that we're under right now too is is what exactly is at the core of classical education? As far as curriculum goes and pedagogy. So instead of Harry Potter we want more.

C .s. Lewis. Would be one way to say it, but we are in some cases replacing textbooks with the great books of history. If and I see well there has the Iliad and the Odyssey and in his book case. But the Subjects as far as subjects we still teach each of the Subjects That you would see in any other Christian school.

I would say that the the difference is it is their grounding in the Christian worldview. So we have for example subject catechisms where math is the study of how God orders his creation Sciences study of how he upholds his creation.

History is the unveiling of his plan to redeem a people unto himself and Language and the arts are the living testimony of God's image bearers. We're constantly revisiting this Christian worldview with our students in in teaching them even math by Putting Christ at the center as far as classical goes.

We.

Are trying to recover? Like I said the the medieval trivium in our teaching methodology in our Curriculum it's going to it's a it's a it's different for different classical schools. But we do have classical specific curriculums and those would differ in how we teach.

Each subject. How we teach history. Where we start teaching history. We don't start with the founding of America. We teach it from the perspective of the history of the church and so I don't know if that answers the question, but I don't know that there is a Huge difference in the way that our subjects are laid out.

But the way that we approach the teaching of those subjects and the materials that we use might be.

Different. Well, I'm assuming that there is a huge difference between the way things like American history are taught in a classical Christian school as opposed to the wokes the woke movements revisionism of History and the the brainwashing of children that white men throughout history have been inherently evil as opposed to people of darker complexions.

Who are not. Obviously we all believe in the total depravity of man. Well, at least the two of us that are Calvinists do but even my Lutheran guests believes that a Man is born with a morally corrupt nature.

And that would include everybody white brown black yellow but.

The.

The modern methodology in the in the government schools seems to be an attempt to brainwash kids that All of the the heroes that people were formerly Embracing in their minds and hearts that had to do with the founding of America and American history in general.

More and more.

Teachers are telling that their children or their students. I should say they're acting like they're their own children but their students are telling them to jettison these these heroes and these views of them in favor of a Revisionism.