Christian's and Politics with Dr. Shawn Waugh

Opening the Show and Welcoming the Guest

This is Apologetics Live, to answer your questions, your host, from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport.

And we're live. This is not Andrew Rappaport. This is Pastor Justin Pierce. And we're on here today to do Apologetics Live. I wanna welcome everybody here. Glad to have everyone. And we're on with the Cluck Commander.

Sean Wall is up here in just a second. We have John Wilkinson. You're unmuted and you're on there. How you doing, brother? Hey, I'm good. How are you? Doing great. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for being with us.

I'm gonna go ahead and pull Sean up on here, so we don't waste a lot of time. I wanna introduce everyone to Sean. Sean, this is everyone. Everyone, this is Sean. Okay, I'll talk to you later. No, no, this is Dr. Sean Build That Wall.

We call him Dr. Luke, at least that's his fly-by name. He's called Dr. Luke for a lot of reasons. Sean, you wanna say hi? Hey, folks. All right, that was awesome.

Quick, I don't beat around the bush.

Yeah, don't beat around the bush. This is, as I say, this is Sean Wall. He's a friend of mine from a while back. I don't remember how many years it's been. It's been a while. Practicing doctor. You're a COVID -19 doctor, right?

Yeah, I mean, officially, I'm a PA, whatever. Dr. Sean is whatever they call me. I practice medicine, yes. I've been covering, taking care of COVID patients for the past three months, and there's just not been that many of them.

Yeah, it's a No, compared to what the news media is gonna tell you, the sky is not falling. 220 ,000 deaths.

Yeah. I wanna say hi to everybody. By the way, if anybody wants to come in and ask questions, we've got a really cool show, I think, tonight. We're gonna talk about politics and the Christian perspective.

We're gonna talk about government, and basically, everything that's exploded, everything that has exploded in the past few weeks or whatever, we're gonna try to kind of touch on those things. If there's anything anybody wants to talk about, ask questions about, look at it from a biblical perspective, argue with us, disagree, or anything else, we would love to have you come on and tell us why we're wrong and why we have the wrong perspective when it comes to these issues.

Everybody's got a perspective. Everybody's got a thought. Everybody's got an idea on what they think, that how we should be viewing our government, the leadership, should we protect the place or should we burn it down?

Of course, we've all heard and seen the efforts to burn the nation down, and so we're gonna just look at it from whatever perspective we can muster from the scripture and talk about any situation, any discussion you wanna talk about, kind of open to those ideas.

Biblical Worldview, Ministry, and the Call to Be Ready

But as I'm talking about our guest, Sean, Sean, you're a, also, not only are you a pastor, I'm sorry, not a pastor. Not only are you not, are you a doctor, but you're also, you also do teach God's word and at your church and at the radio station.

Can you tell us about that?

Yeah, so I've been on the radio for eight years now, Grace Life Radio. It's out of Lake City, Florida, but we're on the, everybody who's not on the web, graceliferadio .com, and we have a local FM radio station in the Lake City, Florida area, and it's called Word for America on once a week, and basically, we basically talk biblical doctrine and use some topic in the news, and it's, what's gonna be in the news, it's gonna be some political topic.

So there's a political topic, typically, and we take God's word, have a biblical worldview, and address that topic each and every week. And that's always on Facebook, I believe. That's, it's a Grace Life Radio, so if anybody ever wants to watch that.

Wednesday nights around 545, six-ish, and then it's always there on the feed, so you can go back and watch, so.

That's great. I've actually listened to Sean for quite a long time, and just listened to a lot of the stuff that he goes through and teaches. There's very few people that match me when it comes to dealing with the Masonic Lodge, and I've listened to Sean talk about the lodge, and we're gonna actually talk about that next week as well.

He's really up-to-date on, you know, a lot of areas, and the reason is, is that the scripture calls, you know, every Christian. It calls us to be ready to think rationally, and logically, and biblically.

That's why we do Apologetics Live, and for the same reason, is to help ground Christians in a biblical understanding of what's going on, and how we give an answer, you know. We wanna exalt Christ, you know, as believers.

We need to be ready to give an answer always. In fact, 1 Peter 3 15, you know, that is our apologetics verse, you know, but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts. Always being ready to make a defense to anyone who asks you to give an account.

You know, when people want to know what you believe, and why do you believe it, it's not your opinion that matters. It's the word of God, and you need to study to show yourself approved. You know, they wanna know, why do you have hope?

Well, if we just have hope in this created world, this, you know, accident of evolution and big bang cosmology, then we don't have much hope at all. If we have just hope in Donald Trump, or Kamala Harris, and her presidency, you know, we don't have any hope.

Our hope is in Christ, and we need to be ready to give a reason why, no matter who's in office, we have that as our hope, that as our foundation, whatever the government says, whatever the people say, whatever the churches say, it needs to be grounded up in the word of God.

And we need to speak that with gentleness, and respect, and reverence. And that's our calling. That's what we need to be about. Amen? I mean, you know, that's, you know, I think one thing that, that maybe a little bit lighter note here for a second.

End Times Hysteria, Climate Change, and Semantics

We're here to do a show today about, with Sean Wall, about Christians and politics. So I want to ask you, Sean, have you been enjoying America's first rollout of socialism, and all the practice of lockdowns, riots, pandemic, fear, and even toilet paper shortages?

How's that been going for you?

Oh, along with the summer of love. Yeah, the summer of love. Yeah, I've enjoyed it about as much as I enjoy kayaking across the Atlantic with a rabbit possum on my lap. Does that sum that up pretty well?

Oh yeah, that sounds fun. Yeah, so that's how much I've enjoyed it. But, you know, politically speaking, if, you know, it's been great. It's a rollercoaster ride, you know, for folks like me, you know, that, you know, talk politics as well.

There's always something to talk about.

You know, and that's the thing for me is, I try to make sure, I mean, because I post a lot of political things, but I try to make sure that I want to keep going back to, you know, thus saith the Lord, the scriptures, you know, and not get my hope or my anxiety from really what's going on.

Because, you know, I mean, I'm a dispensational Christian. I believe that the Lord's going to return, that he's going to establish his kingdom. But before that happens, I strongly believe that, you know, Jesus says in Luke 18, that, you know, before he returns, it's going to be like it was in the days of Lot and days of Noah.

And it's going to be really, really, really bad. And, you know, I'm not the guy that says, you know, oh, we're going to escape this and we're going to get out all the bad stuff. I think we're going to go through a lot of really terrible times.

And I want everybody to go ahead.

And I don't want to cut you off, but the overarching question is, how bad is it going to get before that happens, right? You know, because we've had, you know, Christians from the beginning of America saying, these are the end times, right?

You can go back to anything that's been published in any newspaper or any Christian writing, and you've numerous copious amounts of people saying, I believe it's the end of time. So that mantra kind of gets old, right?

I mean, let's be honest, that gets old because you're like, oh, here we go again. So the fact is, is that Jesus is coming back and we don't know when it is. So our duty as you already, as you, you know, greatly and wonderfully opened the show, our duty is to be ready to give a response to the others, to let them know that he is coming and what he is about.

That is our duty. Our duty is not to pull the Herald camping and get back in the, you know, sit in the backyard in your lawn chairs, waiting for the skies to part. And we have a lot of Christians that do that.

I mean, that's what they do. They are so hung up on end time prophecy that they miss the forest for the trees. And, you know, sometimes, you know, you got to wrangle it with them too.

Yep. Amen. I totally agree. One thing that drives me crazy is people who, who read their Bible and they open up their newspaper and compare the two, you know, they, they read the headline and then they go into Revelation or Ezekiel or Daniel.

Yeah.

Yeah. And that is the demographic that I'm talking about. Yeah.

Oh yeah, absolutely. And we got to be careful that, you know, you think about, you think about the date setting and all that stuff. We don't know, you know, it's like you guys said, we just, we don't know.

But what we do know is we can, we can tell the seasons and the times are getting closer, you know, as we, you know, as, as Jesus says, as it was in the days of Noah, you know, as it wasn't a time of lot.

You can go and look at that and say, well, what was it like? Well, you know, it was, you know, Bill Murray has a very good answer for that. I want to actually look at that real quick. Cause this is, this, I love this.

Let's see if I can pull this up for you.

Let's see. Hopefully everybody can hear it. And if you can't, let me know. Disaster of biblical proportions. What do you mean biblical? What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor. Real wrath of God type stuff.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky.

Rivers and seas boiling. 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes.

The dead rising from the grave. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria. Enough, I get the point.

There it is. That's what it is. So that's, that's 2020 guys.

I mean, that is. My favorite is Dan Aykroyd there. Yeah. Yeah.

I think they all did great. Yeah, they're super. Yeah. But I mean, for me, that's, that's the one that's, you know, when people ask me, what's it like, what would you, what would you say it was like? I kind of wrote this out for you to ask you a question.

Imagine you went back five years in time and you were going to tell people how, what it would be like today. What would you say to them? And I was thinking Bill Murray is the perfect definition. You know, you think about it, the, the, the insanity, the fires, the destruction, you know, you hear people talking about, you know, we have to take care of everybody because of climate change and global warming.

And then, and then you find out that half of these people are now burning down trees and burning down entire forest, you know, and burning down property and everything else. I thought you cared about global warming.

I thought you cared about people.

Yeah. Well, it's just, I mean, things like that are just nonsense. What, constantly what we'll get caught up in, what Christians will get trapped in. And, and since you mentioned climate change, I'll use that for a second.

We get caught and you know as good as anyone, Justin, it's semantics. So we get trapped in the semantic, you know, closet, climate change, you know, what is that? What does that even mean? Nobody can even define that for you.

You know, it's a nonsensical even statement and because it's just climate change. Okay. What else? Because it's a semantical term that the liberal left has continued to use. And honestly, only for about the past five years.

Prior to that, it was global warming. If you remember that you, and then you want to just reverse it on back a little further, probably five, six, maybe 10 more years after that, maybe around 2005. If you remember El Nino, some people still remember that.

It's been the same. It's the same thing. Yeah, rehashed. It's the same nonsense. And they talk about it. What drives me, you know, educationally, I am a scientist. That's what I, that is where my educational studies are in.

You know, I'm basically a practicing, you know, practice medicine from a scientific perspective. Yes, but not a meteorologist, but nonetheless, they talk about the science and the science. There is no science.

These are all theories. You talked about the Big Bang Theory. These are all theories. And again, Christians will get caught in that trap of theory and semantics. And instead of going back to the basic and asking the question, what are you even talking about?

You know, and pointing out the fact that that's just a theory and let's define theory. And then you can kind of go from there. But instead, we often get trapped, you know, they'll get trapped in, well, I don't know how to answer that question.

And it's not being prepared. I totally agree. You know, and you think about it, we've got, actually, Andrew was talking a couple of weeks ago about the October surprise. You know, the Donald Trump tax stuff that came out.

You know, I think this has been the October for all October surprises. I mean, you had, what's her name? Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She, the notorious B-I-G. She died and she met her maker. I disagree, and people get upset, but I disagree when Christians try to eulogize her as if she was somebody that was to be looked up to.

She was a proponent for the murder of babies and was a strong, staunch defender of that. And, you know, I take, you know, you talk about one issue voters. I'm not necessarily a one issue voter, but that's the one issue that I will not vote for you if you're gonna murder babies.

If you're gonna support it or if you're gonna nuance it. In fact, the very first time that Trump was running, I didn't vote for him because of that issue. You know, and he made it clear. I'm okay with, I'm pro-life with the exceptions and he just threw out the typical talking points.

And that caused me to say, no, I can't do it. You know, of course, I also wrote in Ron Paul because I thought he got robbed. I thought he got robbed last time. You know, but you think about these October surprises that come around and these are ones I wanna talk about.

And this is, we can talk about any bit of this you want to or whatever, but I wanna talk about these October surprises. You know, we talked about, you know, we've had people post about the email scandal that's going on right now, the censorship, big tech and all that.

And I've got a bunch of videos, a bunch of stuff that I could pull up about those things. But I wanted to start out and ask you, and anybody that wants to talk about it, you know, if anybody wants to jump in or whatever, the point number one there, Sean, is how does a biblical view of God and government, you know, we have to start with scripture.

So how does a biblical view of God and government, how's that play into the Christian life? And I know it does, but I just wanna talk to you about it.

God, Government, and the Role of Romans 13

Well, I mean, honestly, it depends on your presupposition of theonomy. I mean, what, you know, honestly, I mean, if you're a theonomist, I mean, you're gonna come away with a different perspective on Romans 13 than a dispensationalist type of Christian.

So I'm not a theonomist, you know, I don't believe that we can, you know, I just, the idea of, it just brings me back to old, you know, I get it, the old covenant, and I understand the covenants, and that's how theonomists like to semantically talk about things like that, but they'll go back to the old, all of Israel was not Israel.

Paul clearly tells us that in the New Testament book of Romans, and he goes on to give us Romans 13 after he says that actually, and just trying to make Christians out of non-Christians is not our duty, and we know that that's not going, God has told us that that's not going to happen.

He's not, everyone is not going to be converted, and in fact, very few are when you look at it in totality. So I'm not gonna, so I'm not going there. So I'm gonna, I will hold on to the New Testament dispensationalist idea of Romans 13, and a Christian's view of the government, and it should be limited, you know, from a, so here comes my libertarian, you know, part of me.

It's, their duty is to keep us safe. That's it, that is the duty of the government, and that is according to Romans 13, that is according to what Paul tells us, and that should be their limit. That being said, you will see many, many Christians get into this idea of this socialistic living, this socialistic life, and then where do they go?

Acts chapter two, right? That's where they try to, the ones that even try to use any biblical perspective at all, right? They were sharing, and they were giving everything to one another, and again, we're not living in a theonomy, and this isn't all Christians taking care of Christians, you know, that type of thing.

Yeah, well, that lasted for, what, about 35 years?

Bingo, exactly, so the whole context of that is, number one, is wrong, number two, it was Christians only, and it was truly a persecuted church, and do we have some persecution in America? Yeah, somewhat, but nothing like they have in China.

I mean, it's not even on the same scale, and Americans, we live in such a bubble, and we can't really figure that out most of the time, that when you converse with other believers, you know, professing believers, it's hard.

It's hard to bring people to the real reality of what's happening worldwide, and so to have a biblical perspective, my view is Romans 13, the government's job is to keep us safe, that is it. They shouldn't be in the business of social security, they shouldn't be in the business of letting people decide if they can, if a woman can choose, if a man can call himself a she, all of that nonsense, I mean, that's all nonsense.

They shouldn't be in the business of any of that. Unfortunately, they are, and that is the world we live in, and we have to live with it. Do we have to agree with it? Absolutely not, and thank goodness, we do have some sense of a democracy.

We are a constitutional republic. We're not a true democracy. People don't understand that either, but we do have some say-so in that.

That's true, and you think about that. When you're talking about the biblical perspective on what it means to be governed by whatever authorities and whatnot, when you're talking about the governing authorities, Romans 13 tells us every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God.

I posted on there just a second ago that Proverbs 21 and Proverbs 8, they both tell me that the king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord, and he turns it wherever he wants. Proverbs 8 tells us that, by me, kings reign.

We have to understand that God establishes the government that we are gonna have, and he does it for every country, and he's done it for all times because he's always in control, and he allows the governments to rise and fall.

They fit his predestined definitive will, and what he says is going to happen is gonna happen exactly the way he says it's gonna happen, and this is his decree, and we don't have to, and that's what I was trying to go back and saying.

We don't have to worry about who's gonna get in office. Yes, I want to have a strong constitutional conservative. You're talking about the, we all know that, what is her, Amy Coney Barrett is doing the nominated committee, and she's going through all that process, and she's went through everything under the sun and had every question they could throw at her, but she'll either make it or won't make it based upon what God wants, not based upon everyone else in the world and their whims, and that's just like with our president and our leaders and everyone else, and we need to understand that we gotta start from that perspective, that it's God's way, and there is no highway option.

Oops, I lost Sean. He'll be back in a second, I'm sure. So Proverbs 13, I mean, I'm sorry, Romans 13, it says that every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God.

So we want, from what I can tell, according to these passages, we want to be in subjection because it's God's will, that we surrender to the authorities because it's God's will, and I mean, people get upset about that.

We say, you hear people say, taxation is theft, and so we shouldn't submit to that, and we shouldn't listen to them because they're not behaving, how do I wanna say it? Hey, Sean. Out there. That's all right, that's all right.

What I was saying is this, and from Romans 13, you hear people that will say things like, the taxation is theft issue, and they'll throw that out, and then they will say that if the governing authority isn't passing the litmus test of Christian perfection, according to whatever their litmus test is, that we should not obey them.

Right. And what do you think about that?

Well, that, again, your presupposition of where you think the government should be, so again, if you're a strong theonomist, that's how they're gonna talk, that's how they're gonna speak, but then you're gonna have your non-theonomist have a little lax there.

Are we going to do things, are they gonna force us to do things that go against what God says? No, even the non-theonomist is not going to do that. But again, that whole taxation thing, when you're talking about that, and they start saying, getting into the idea of how much we should be taxed, listen, Jesus was silent on that.

He was completely, in fact, he wasn't silent, he basically said to give to Caesar what Caesar is owed. Now, I understand what the theonomist is going to say, well, what is he owed? Nobody has that answer, we don't know that, the scripture doesn't tell us, I think basically what Jesus was telling us in context, look, you're under their rule, you pay their taxes, whatever they are, no matter what they are.

I mean, what if we lived in Denmark? What if we're Christians in Denmark right now? You're gonna pay 70%. So what are you gonna say about that? Again, getting outside that American bubble will put things into perspective for us a little bit, I think.

I agree. Well, see, I think that we, as Americans, American Christians, Americans in general, so used to the blessings of being under a nation that was predominantly Christian, that was governed predominantly according to Christian ethics, principles of morality, things like that, that we have gotten so used to people being loving, benevolent, kind, caring to one another, that when we see people behaving in the socialistic manner, in the coveting manner, and the greed, and all that that we're starting to see, once the nation has turned away from God so much, that we are seeing things that are aberrant to us, and we don't know how to deal with it.

When you start hearing about the taxation rate getting up to 50 and 60 and 70%, if you go look and do any studies, there's a cat. If you do any studies, you'll notice that, in the New and Old Testament, based on who was dominating, from Nebuchadnezzar, Caesar, any of them, they would tax people to death, literally.

They were taxing them to the point where they did not have enough to live off of, and they would slowly die. And they didn't care. And they didn't care, but the solution was never what? You don't like it?

Fight them, go to war.

I mean, it's not in the Bible. No. No, not unless you're getting a direct prophecy from God, that's not gonna happen anymore. David Koresh was a crazy man. Those types of guys, they're out there, don't get me wrong.

And they're out there today. We haven't heard about them, but a good biblical curtain is to know that that's not, you know, cannon's closed.

I totally agree. And you think about it, Jeremiah actually did talk about the fact that, for an entire nation, if you do not listen to the king, and you do not submit to the king, Nebuchadnezzar, and you do not go under his rule, and he's gonna be harsh, and he's going to hurt, there's gonna be a lot of people that are gonna be injured.

But if you do not, then this nation will be destroyed. And they laughed at him until they were hauled off and under chains. They didn't listen, and they were laughing at him. You know, we start talking about the taxation being theft, just for a minute.

Matthew 22, 17 to 21, tells us that the scribes came along and they asked Jesus, is it lawful to pay the poll tax to Caesar? I mean, I'm reading NASB. It says, or not. But Jesus perceived their malice and he said, why are you testing me, you hypocrites?

He says, show me the coin used for the poll tax. And they brought him a Daenerys. And he said, whose likeness and inscription is this? And they said to him, Caesar's. He looks at them and he says, then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God, the things that are God's.

And if you look at the context here, the things that are Caesar's is the money. He's saying, you give God the worship he's due because Caesar's not God. You don't worship Caesar as God, but the money's his.

So whatever tax he wants to put on you, that's the tax you put on. And to reinforce that idea, Romans 13 addresses that every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities for there is no authority except from God.

And those who exist are established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves for rulers are not feared to good behavior, but for evil.

Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise for the same for as it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid for it does not bear the sword for nothing.

It's like you just said, the whole purpose is protection, you know, the protection of good versus evil. For he's a minister of God and avenger against the, who brings wrath on one whose practice is evil.

Therefore, because all of that, it is necessary that you be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience sake. For because of this, you also pay your taxes. So taxation is what? Not theft.

For rulers are a servant of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to, and he says it twice, render to all that is due, tax to whom taxes do, custom to whom custom is due, fear to whom fear is due, and honor to whom honor.

And what blows my mind about that is where was he at when he was saying it? He was under the leadership, the authority, the rule of the sovereign Roman empire as an inmate. I mean.

Yeah, yeah. Well, and the whole thing, like you said, and you're right, the mantra of taxation is theft. You know, how much are we being taxed? That in the end is the real question, but there are a group of people, there are a group of professing Christians that believe that all taxation is theft.

The reality of that is no government in the world, not a single government in the world can operate without taxation. It's an impossibility. It can't. Saudi Arabia, with all of the oil that they have, they could still not operate.

They're a theonomy, right? They got the wrong Theo, but they're a theonomy. They still couldn't operate without taxation of the people, even with all of that oil. So that's just an, again, equivalent to the climate change nonsensical statement, that it's just as moronic to say that, you know, we shouldn't be taxed at all.

We have fun, you know, have fun living, you know, out in Davy Crockett land.

Government Overreach, Public Services, and the Limits of the State

Yeah, and you know, you bring up a great point here when you're talking about, you know, the issues of the government. You know, they bring in the money, the taxation, they bring in taxation. And I mean, here's what bothers me.

When I hear politicians talk about, you know, that we need this money so that we can improve your, improve your lives, if you will. We wanna bring out your infrastructure improvements. Now, wait a minute.

If that's the case, hire, you know, have, I don't know, 100 people or 500 businesses or whatever, you know, bid on this job and have them the best one with the best reputation, with the best, you know, ability to do the job.

Let them, that gets the job done. Let it be a private, you know, a company, a private employee that comes and does the work and not the government. Because the government can, as Ronald Reagan says, that nobody can mess up a country like the government can.

That's right. You know, there's nobody that can destroy and overprice and over everything like the government can. You know, they're not gonna fix a free market economy. Go ahead.

And the reason being is because they get outside of the lane that they have been given by God to begin with, which is to protect their people. Once they go outside of that lane, which they do, in most large American cities today, their goal is not even to protect the people.

In fact, they are wanting to defund police who are to patrol and protect the people. They are actually doing the opposite and still wanting to tax you. Go to New York City. New York City to this very day is wanting to raise taxes because they have to, right?

We got to raise taxes because of COVID, nonsensical garbage. They have already defunded the police intentionally. So they are going completely opposite, completely in the opposite direction. And it's wicked and they will pay the consequences.

And when I say they, they are still part of the United States of America. I get it. But that community, that city is going to feel it first. And that is a complete, you know, obviously they are running and turning away from God and that will be the consequences.

Are there Christians in New York City? Absolutely, there are Christians there. Unfortunately, we will be part of those casualties when it comes to government fail. We have been forever. I mean, look at the old, read the Old Testament.

You know, it's, the exile still had some good believing people in them.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Hey, I've got a person that's a KT in Jesus. Has come on and been on with us for a long time. And so I want to throw this question out here. Actually, there's two questions. Let me get this first one.

Do we get to see some chickens tonight? And that is for the cluck commander. So he has to get, he has to find us a chicken.

No, you're on the mute. Yeah, the cat is enough.

I would say the cat is enough. So yeah. Cats and chickens living together, mass hysteria. That's right. So the next one is Hunter Biden's laptop story is what's been the latest thing. And social media seems to be covering that up.

We got a lot to talk about on that in a little bit. Just want to, I want to throw it out there in honor of the question. So if you, Sean, what do you got? You got anything on that you want to talk about real quick?

On which one? Which question? On the laptop. Of course, you know, we've got some stuff we want to throw up anyways.

So the, you talking about the Hunter Biden issue? Yeah. The Hunter Biden? Hunter Biden? Oh yeah. Yeah. So, so in, you know, this is not the first time that this has come up. Obviously it's the first time that we've had any real objective data.

Apparently, you know, I'm still, you know, I'm still holding, I'm still reserving. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna jump out there and say, this is the smoking gun, yada, yada, yada. It seems plausible, but you know, let's be careful, right?

That type of thing. Yeah. That being said, in the past, you know, this type of thing with Hunter Biden is not new. We know about Burisma. We know about him sitting on the board and all of that. I have not been one.

I have politically, I think it's been a, it's not been a smart move. It's not been a good move to focus on that. Hunter Biden's not running for the presidency. That being said, I understand the connections with Joe Biden being implicated.

Now, previously, we had no objective data of that. It was all hearsay. So my political opinion was like, stay away from it because it's all opinion. We should stay out of that business of the theory and the opinion.

Now, we've got something that's a little bit different, something that's a little bit hard of evidence, potentially, now it could be something, then obviously the meaning of it was purposeful. It's dropped, you know, three weeks prior to the election, but this always happens.