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This is apologetics live to answer your questions your host from striving for eternity ministries

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And we're live this is not

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Andrew Rappaport this is Pastor Justin Pierce and we're on here today to do apologetics live.

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I want to welcome everybody here Glad to have everyone and We're on with the cluck commander

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Sean Sean wall is up here in just a second. We have John Wilkinson, you're unmuted and you're on there.

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How you doing, brother? I am good. How are you doing? Great? Thank you for coming on. Thank you for being with us

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I'm gonna go ahead and pull Sean up on here. So we don't waste a lot of time I want to introduce introduce everyone to Sean Sean this is everyone everyone.

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This is Sean. Okay. I'll talk to you later No, this is dr.

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Sean build that wall we call him Dr. Luke at least that's his

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That's his fly -by name He's called dr. Luke for a lot of reasons Sean you will say hi

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Hey folks That was that was awesome Quick I don't beat around the bush.

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Yeah, don't be around Bush. This is as I say, this is a Sean wall He's a friend of mine from a while back.

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I don't remember how many years has been it's been a while Practicing doctor you're

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You're a kovat 19 doctor, right? Yeah, I mean, I mean officially I'm a PA whatever you dr.

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Sean is way where we call me. I practice medicine Yes, I've been covering taking care of kovat patients for the past three months

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And there's just not been that many of them Yeah no compared to what the

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News media is going to tell you it's the sky is not falling Yes, yeah,

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I Want to say hi to everybody, by the way, if anybody wants to come in and ask questions

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We've got a really cool show. I think tonight we're gonna talk about politics and the Christian perspective.

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We're talking about government and Basically everything that's exploded everything that has exploded in the past Few weeks or whatever.

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We're gonna try to kind of touch on those things if there's anything anybody wants to talk about ask questions about look at it from a

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Biblical perspective argue with us disagree or anything else We would love to have you come on and and tell us why we're wrong and why we have the wrong perspective when it comes to these issues, you know, there's

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Everybody's got a perspective. Everybody's got a thought everybody's got an idea on what they think that How we should be viewing our government

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The leadership should we you know protect the place or should we burn it down? you know, of course, we've we've all heard the and seen the efforts to burn the nation down and So we're going to just look at it from from whatever perspective we can can muster for from the scripture and Talk about any situation any discussion you want to talk about kind of kind of open to those ideas but as I'm talking about our guest

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Sean Sean you're a Also, not only are you a pastor?

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I'm sorry not a pastor. Not only are you not are you a doctor, but you're also You also do teach

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God's Word and at your church and and at the

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Radio station. Can you tell us about that? Yeah, so been on the radio for Eight years now grace life radio.

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It's out at least Lake City, Florida But we're on the on the everybody who's not on the web, you know grace life radio calm

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And we have a local FM radio station in the Lake City, Florida area and it's called

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Word for America on once a week and basically we basically talk biblical doctrine and Use some topic in the news and it's what's gonna be in the news.

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It's gonna be some political topic so there's a political topic typically and we take God's Word have a biblical worldview and Address that topic each and every week and that's always on Facebook.

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I believe that's it's a grace life radio So if anybody ever wants to watch that Wednesday nights around 5 45 6 ish and then it's always there on the feed

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So you can go back and watch so That's great. I've actually listened to Sean for quite a long time and just Listened to a lot of the the stuff that he goes through and teaches there's very few people that Match me when it comes to dealing with The the

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Masonic Lodge and I've listened to Sean talk about the lodge and we're gonna actually talk about that next week as well

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We he he's really up -to -date on you know a

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Lot of areas and the reason is is is that the scripture calls, you know every

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Christian It calls us to be ready to think rationally and logically and biblically that's why we do apologetics live and for the same reason is to help ground

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Christians in A biblical understanding of what's going on and how we give an answer, you know, we want to exalt

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Christ You know as believers we need to be ready to give an answer always in fact first Peter 315, you know

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That is our apologetics verse, you know, but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts Always being ready to make a defense to anyone who ask

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You to give an account, you know when people want to know what you believe and why do you believe it?

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It's not your opinion that matters. It's the Word of God and you need to study to show yourself approved

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You know, they want to know why do you have hope well if we just have hope in this created world this you know accident of Evolution and Big Bang cosmology then we don't have much hope at all if we have just hope in Donald Trump or Kamala Harris and her presidency

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You know, we don't have any hope Our hope is in Christ and we need to be ready to give a reason why no matter who's in office

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We have that as our hope that's ours our foundation Whatever the government says whatever the people say whatever the churches say it needs to be grounded up in the

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Word of God and we need to speak that with gentleness and respect and reverence and That's that's our calling that's what we need to be about amen,

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I mean I mean, you know that's in you know, I think one thing that that Maybe a little bit lighter note here for a second

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We're here to do a show today about with Sean wall about Christians and politics so when

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I ask you Sean Have you been enjoying? America's first rollout of socialism and all the practice of lockdowns riots

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Pandemic fear and even toilet paper shortages. How's that been going for you? Oh along with the summer of love

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Yeah, the chest summer love yeah I've enjoyed it About as much as I enjoy

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Kayaking across the Atlantic with a rabbit possum on my lap Does that sum that up pretty well?

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Oh, yeah, that sounds fun Yeah, so that's that's how much I've enjoyed it But you know politic politically speaking if you know, it's it's been it's been great

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It's it's a you know, it's a rollercoaster ride, you know for folks like me, you know it that that you know

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Talk politics as well. Yeah, there's always something to talk about You know and that's the thing for me is

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I try to make sure I mean because I post a lot of political things But I try to make sure that that I want to keep going back to you know

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Thus saith the Lord the scriptures, you know and not get my hope or or my my anxiety from really what's going on because you know,

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I mean, I'm I'm a dispensational Christian I believe that the

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Lord's gonna return that he's gonna establish his kingdom, but before that happens I I strongly believe that you know

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Jesus says in Luke 18 that you know before he returns it's gonna be like it wasn't the days of lot and days of Noah and It's gonna be really really really bad and you know,

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I'm not the The guy that says, you know, we're gonna escape this and and we're gonna get out all the bad stuff

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I think we're gonna go through a lot of really terrible times Go ahead.

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I don't want to don't want to cut you off. But the overarching question is How bad is it going to get before that happens, right?

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You know because we've had you know Christians from the beginning of of America saying these are the end times, right?

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you can go back to anything that's been published and any newspaper or any Christian writing and You've numerous copious amounts of people saying

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I believe it's the end of time. So that mantra kind of gets old, right? I mean, let's be let's be honest that that gets old

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Because you're like, oh, here we go again. So it's a The fact is is that Jesus is coming back

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Yeah, and we don't know when it is exact So our duty as you already as you, you know

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Greatly and it wonderfully opened the show our duty is to be ready to give a response to the others to let them know

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That he is coming and what he is about. That is our duty. Our duty is not to pull the Herald camping and Get back in the you know set in the backyard in your lawn chairs waiting for the skies to part

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And we and we have a lot of Christians that do that I mean, that's what they do they are so hung up on on in time prophecy that they they miss the forest for the trees and You know, sometimes you you know, you got a wrangler with them, too.

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Yep. Amen. I totally agree Who read their

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Bible and they open up their newspaper and compared it to you know They read a headline and then they go into Revelation or Ezekiel or Daniel?

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Yeah. Yeah And that is the demographic that I'm talking about. Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely and we got to be careful that you know, you think about You think about the the date setting and all that stuff?

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We don't know You know, it's like you guys said we just we don't know But what we do know is we can we can tell the seasons and the times are getting closer

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You know as we see as Jesus says as it was in the days of Noah, you know as it wasn't a time of lot

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You can go and look at that and say well, what was it? Like? Well Don't you know? Bill Murray has a very good answer for that.

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I want to actually look at that real quick because this is this I love this Let's see if I can pull this up for you

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Let's see. Hopefully everybody can hear it. If you can't let me know What do you mean biblical what he means is

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Old Testament Yeah, they're real wrath of God type stuff fire and brimstone coming down from the skies rivers and seas boiling

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Human sacrifice dogs and cats living together There it is, that's what it is.

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Yeah so that That's 2020 guys, I mean that is my favorite is

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Dan Aykroyd there. Yeah. Yeah. I think they all did great Yeah, I mean for me that's that's the one that's you know when people ask me what's it like What would you what would you say?

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It was like I kind of wrote this out for you to ask you a question Imagine you went back five years in time and you were gonna tell people how what it would be like Today what would you say to him?

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And I was thinking Bill Murray is the perfect definition You know, you think about it the the the insanity the fires the destruction, you know, you hear people talking about you know, we have to take care of everybody because of climate change and go global warming and Then and then you find out that half of these people are now burning down trees and burning down entire forests

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You know and burning down property and everything else. I thought you cared about global warming I thought you cared about people

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Yeah, well, it's just I mean things like that are just nonsense what Constantly what we'll get caught up in what

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Christians will get trapped in And and since you mentioned climate change, I'll just I'll use that for a second

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We get caught It's and you and you know as good as anyone Justin. It's semantics

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Yeah, so we get trapped in the semantic, you know closet climate change

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You know, what is that? What does that even mean? Nobody could even define that for you.

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You know, it's it's a it's a it's a nonsensical even statement and Because it's just climate change.

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Okay What else? Because it's a semantical term that the liberal left has continued to use and honestly only for about the past Five years prior to that It was global warming if you remember that you and then you want to just reverse it on back a little further probably five six

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Maybe ten more years after the maybe around 2005 if you remember El Nino Yeah, some people still remember that it's been the same.

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It's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah rehashed it's the same nonsense and they talk about it what it what drives me, you know,

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I I Educationally, I am a scientist. That's what I that's that that is where my educational studies are in.

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Yeah, I'm basically Practicing, you know practice medicine from a scientific perspective Yes, but not a meteorologist, but nonetheless

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They they talk about the science and the science there there there there is no science

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These are all theories you talked about the Big Bang Theory These are all theories and and again

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Christians will get caught in that trap of theory and Semantics and instead of going back to the basic and asking the question.

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What are you even talking about? You know and and pointing out the fact that that's just a theory and let's define theory and then you can kind of go

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From there, but instead we often get trapped, you know, they'll get trapped in Well, I don't know how to answer that question and it's not being prepared.

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I Totally agree, you know and you think about it. We've got Actually Andrew was talking a couple weeks ago about the

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October surprise, you know, the the Donald Trump tax stuff that came out You know,

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I think this has been the October for all October surprises I mean you had what's -her -name

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Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She she The the notorious BIG she she died and she met she met her her maker

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I I disagree and people get upset, but I disagree when

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Christians try to Eulogize her as if she was somebody that was to be looked up to She was a proponent for the murder of babies and was a strong staunch defender of that and You know,

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I take you know, you talk about one issue voters I'm not necessarily a one -issue voter, but that's the one issue that I will not vote for you if you're gonna murder babies

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Yeah, you're gonna support it or you're good if you're gonna nuance it in fact the very first time that Trump was running.

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I didn't vote for him because of that issue, you know, and he made it clear. I'm okay with I'm pro -life with the exceptions and he just threw out the typical talking points and that caused me to say no

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I can't do it You know Of course, I also I also wrote in Ron Paul because I thought he got robbed.

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I thought he got robbed last time Jim you know, but but you think about these

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October surprises that come around and these are ones I want to talk about and this is

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We can talk about any bit of this you want to or whatever, but I would I want to talk about these

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October surprises You know, we talked about You know, we've had people post about the email scandal that's going on right now the censorship

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Big tech and all that and I've got a bunch of a bunch of videos a bunch of stuff that I could pull up About those things, but I wanted to start out and ask you

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And anybody that wants to talk about it, you know, if anybody wants to jump in or whatever I'm pointing the point number one there

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Sean is how does a biblical view of God and government? You know, we have to start with Scripture So, how does a biblical view of God and government?

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How's that play into the Christian life? And I know it I know it does but I just want to talk to you about it well,

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I mean honestly it depends on your presupposition of Theonomy I mean what you know, we honestly

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I mean if you're a theonomist I mean you're gonna come away with a different perspective on Romans 13 than a dispensationalist type of you know

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Christian So I'm not a theonomist, you know, I don't believe that we can you know,

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I just the idea of It just brings me back to all you know I get it the

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Old Covenant and I understand the covenants and that's how the on was like to semantically talk about things like that, but They'll go back to the old look all of Israel was not

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Israel Yeah Paul clearly tells us that in the New Testament book of Romans and he goes on to give us

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Romans 13 after he says that actually and just trying to make

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Christians out of Non -christians is not our duty and and we know that that's not going

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God has told us that that's not going to happen It's he's not everyone is not going to be converted.

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In fact, very few are When you look at it in totality, so I'm not gonna so I'm not going there

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So I'm gonna I will hold on to the New Testament Dispensationalist idea of Romans 13 and a

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Christian's view of the government and it should be limited, you know from a so Here comes my libertarian, you know part of me.

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It's their duty is to keep us safe That's it. Yeah, that is the duty of the government and that is according to To Romans 13 that is according to what

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Paul tells us and that should be their limit that being said You will see many many

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Christians Get into this idea of this socialistic living the socialistic life and then where do they go

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Acts chapter 2, right? That's where they try to eat the ones that even try to use any biblical perspective at all, right?

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They were sharing and they were giving everything to one another And keep again We're not living in a theonomy and this isn't all

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Christians taking care of Christians, you know that type of thing Yeah, well that lasted for what about?

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Bingo Exactly. So the whole context of that is number one is wrong number number two.

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It was Christians only And it was truly a persecuted church and Do we have some persecution in America?

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Yeah, somewhat but nothing like they have in China I mean not even it's not even on the same scale and Americans We're we're we live in such a bubble and we can't you know

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We can't really figure that out most of the time that when you converse with other believers, you know professing believers

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It's hard. It's hard to bring people to The real reality of what's happening worldwide and so to have a biblical perspective

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My view is Romans 13. The government's job is to keep us safe.

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That is it They shouldn't be in the business of Social Security they shouldn't be in the business of letting people decide if they can

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If a woman can choose if a man can call himself a she all all of that nonsense

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I mean, that's all nonsense. They they should be at that. They shouldn't be in the business of any of that Unfortunately, they are that it and that is the world we live in and we have to live with it

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Do we have to agree with it? Absolutely not and thank goodness. We do have some what some some sense of a democracy

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We are a constitutional republic. We're not a true democracy. People don't understand that either That's true.

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But we do we do have some say so in that That's true. And you know you think about that When you're talking about the the the biblical perspective on what it means to be

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Governed by whatever authorities and whatnot, you know when you're talking about the government governing authorities

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Romans 13 tells us, you know, every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For they there is no authority except from God, you know,

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I I posted on there just a second ago that you know Proverbs 21 and Proverbs 8 they both tell me that the king's heart is, you know

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It's like channels of water in the hand of the Lord and he turns it wherever he wants Proverbs 8 tells us that by me

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Kings reign, you know we we have to understand that God establishes the government that we are going to have and I and he does it for every country and he's done it for all times because he's always in control and he allows the governments to Rise and fall that have you know, they fit his predestined definitive will and What he says is going to happen is going to happen exactly the way he says it's going to happen

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And this is his decree and we don't have to and that's what I was trying to go back and saying

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We don't have to worry about Who's gonna get in office? Yes.

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I want to have a strong constitutional conservative, you know You know, you're talking about the we all know that you know, what is her

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Amy Coney Barrett is is you know doing the Nominating committee and she's going through all that process and She's went through everything under the

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Sun and had every question they could throw at her But she'll either make it or won't make it based upon what

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God wants not based upon You know everyone else in the world and their whims you know and that's just like with our president and our leaders and everyone else and we need to understand that we got to start from that perspective that it's

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God's way and There is no highway option. Oops. I lost Sean.

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He'll be back in a second. I'm sure so You know

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Proverbs 13, I mean, I'm sorry Romans 13 It says that every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities

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For there is no authority except from God and those who which exist are established by God so we want

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From what I can tell according to these passages we want to be in subjection because it's

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God's will You know that we surrender to the authorities because it's

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God's will and you know I mean people get upset about that, you know, we thought we said, you know You hear people say, you know taxation is theft.

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And so we shouldn't submit to that. We shouldn't you know? Listen to them because they're not behaving

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How I don't want to say it You know, hey Sean Out there.

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That's all right. That's all right What I was saying is is you know and from Romans 13, you know You hear people that will say things like, you know, the taxation is theft issue and they'll throw that out and then they will they will say that if if the governing authority isn't

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Passing the litmus test of Christian perfection According to you know, whatever their litmus test is that we should not obey them, right?

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and What do you think about that? Well that again Your presupposition of where you think the government should be if so again if you're a strong theonomist

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That's where that's your that's that's how they're going to talk. That's how they're going to speak But then you're gonna have your non -theonomist

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Have a little lax there Are we going to do things? Are they gonna force us to do things that go against what

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God says? No, you know even you know, even the non -theonomist is not going to do that but Again that whole taxation thing when you're talking about that and they start saying, you know

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Getting into the idea of how much we should be taxed. Listen. Jesus was silent on that He was completely in fact,

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I would say he wasn't silent He basically said to pay give to Caesar what Caesar is owed now

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I understand what the theonomist is going to say. Well, what is he owed? Well, nobody has that answer.

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We don't know that the scripture doesn't tell us I think basically what Jesus was telling us in context.

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Look you're under their rule. You pay their taxes Whatever they are no matter what they are. I mean, what if we lived in Denmark, you know?

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What if we're Christians in Denmark right now, you're gonna pay 70 % Yeah, so what are you gonna say about that?

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You know again getting outside that American bubble Will put things into perspective for us a little bit.

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I think I Agree. Well, see I think that we you know as an Americans American Christians Americans in general so used to the the blessings of Being under a nation that you know was predominantly

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Christian That that was governed predominantly according to Christian ethics principles of morality things like that that we have gotten so used to people being

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Loving benevolent kind caring to one another that when we see people

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Behaving in the socialistic manner and the coveting manager manner and the greed and all that that we're starting to see

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Once the nation has turned away from God, you know so much That that we are seeing things that are aberrant to us and we don't know how to deal with it

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You know, we're you know, when you talk to you start hearing about you know The taxation rate getting up to you know, 50 and 60 percent and 70 percent

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If you go look and do any studies there's a cat if you do any studies you'll notice that In the in the

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New and Old Testament based on who was dominating from Nebuchadnezzar Caesar any of them they

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They would tax people to death Literally, they were taxing them to the point where they did not have enough to live off of and they would slowly die

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And they didn't care. Mm -hmm, you know and they didn't care but the the solution was never what?

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You don't like it fight them go to war There's I mean, it's not in the Bible that no

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No, no, no, not unless you're getting a direct prophecy from God, you know, and that's not gonna happen anymore.

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You know, we David Koresh was a crazy man, you know those types of guys, you know, they're out there

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Don't get me wrong and and they're out there today. We just we haven't heard about them But a good biblical curtain was to know that that's not you know canons closed

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I Totally agree, you know and you think about it Jeremiah actually did talk about the fact that for an entire nation if you do not listen to the king and you do not submit

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To the king Nebuchadnezzar and you do not go under his rule and he's going to be harsh and he's going to hurt

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There's going to be a lot of people that are going to be injured. But if you do not then This nation will be destroyed, you know, and they'd laughed at him until they were

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You know hauled off and under chains They didn't listen and they were laughing at him, you know

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We start talking about the taxation being theft just for a minute Matthew 22 17 to 21 tells us that the the

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Scribes came along and they asked Jesus. Is it lawful to pay the poll tax to Caesar? I mean, I'm reading NASB It says or not, but Jesus perceived their malice.

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He said why are you testing me you hypocrites? he says show me the coin used for the poll tax and they brought him a

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Daenerys and He said whose likeness and inscription is this and they said to him

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Caesars. He looks at them and he says Then render to Caesar the things that are

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Caesars and to God the things that are gods and If you look at the the context here the things that are

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Caesars is the money He's saying you give God the worship.

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He's due because Caesars not God you don't worship Caesar is God But the money's his

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So whatever tax he wants to put on you, that's the tax you put on and and to reinforce that idea

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Romans 13 addresses That every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities

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For there is no authority except from God and those who exist are established by God Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God and they who have opposed

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Will receive condemnation upon themselves For rulers are not feared

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To good behavior, but for evil do do do you want to have no fear of authority?

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Do what is good and you will have praise for the same for as it is as it is a minister of God to you for good

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But if you do what is evil be afraid For it does not bear the sword and for nothing is like you just said the whole purpose is protection

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You know the protection of good versus evil For he's a minister of God an avenger against the that who brings wrath on One whose practice is evil

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Therefore because all of that it is necessary that you be in subjection not only because of wrath

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But also for conscience sake for because of this you also pay your taxes

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So taxation is what? not theft For rulers are a servant of God devoting themselves to this very thing render to and he says it twice

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Render to all that is due tax to whom taxes do custom to whom customers do Fear to whom fear is due and honor to whom honor and what blows my mind about that Is where was he at when he was saying it?

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He was under the leadership the authority the rule of the sovereign Roman Empire as an inmate

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I mean, yeah, yeah Well, and the whole thing like you said, you know, don't you and you're right the the mantra of taxation is theft

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You know, how much are we being taxed? You know that that in the end is the is the real question

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But there are there there are a group of people. There are a group of professing Christians that believe that all taxation is theft

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Yeah the reality of that is No government in the world

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Not a single government in the world Can operate without taxation?

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Yeah, it's it's a it's an impossibility. It can't Saudi Arabia with all of the oil that they have

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They could still not operate, you know They're a theonomy right?

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They got the wrong Theo, but they're a theonomy. They still they still couldn't operate Without taxation of the people even with all of the that oil so that's just an again back

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Equivalent to the climate change in nonsensical statement Yeah, that it's that's just as it's just as moronic to say that that you know, we shouldn't be taxed at all.

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We Have fun, you know have fun living, you know out in Davy Crockett land

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Yeah, and you know you bring up a great a great point here when you're talking about you know

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The the issues of the government, you know, they bring in the money the taxation they bring in taxation and I Mean, here's what bothers me when when at when

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I hear Politicians talk about you know that we need this money so that we can improve your

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Improve your lives if you will we want to bring out your your Infrastructure Improvements.

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Well now wait a minute if that's the case Hire, you know, you know have

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I don't know a hundred people or 500 businesses or whatever You know bid on this job and have them the best one with the best reputation with the best

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You know ability to do the job. Let them that gets the the job done

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Let it be a private and you know a company a private employee that comes and does the work and not the government

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Because the government can as Ronald Reagan says that nobody can mess up a country like the government can that's right

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You know, there's nobody that can destroy and overpriced and over everything like the government can you know?

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They're not gonna fix a free market economy. Go ahead And the reason being is because they they get outside of the lane that they have been given by God to begin with which is

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To protect their people once they go outside of that lane, which they they do are it most in most

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Large American cities today Their goal is not even to protect the people

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In fact, they are they are wanting to defund police who are to patrol and protect the people they are actually doing the opposite and Still wanting to tax you go to New York City, New York City to this very day is

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Wanting to raise taxes because they have to write we got to raise taxes because of kovat nonsensical garbage they have already defunded the police

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Intentionally, so they're they are going completely opposite completely in the opposite direction and It's it's wicked and they will pay the consequences and when

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I say they they are still part of the United States of America I get it, but That community that city is going to feel it first and that is a complete, you know, obviously they are running and turning away from God and That will be the consequences.

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Are there Christians in New York City? Absolutely. There are Christians there unfortunately We will be part of those casualties when it comes to government fail

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We have been forever. I mean, I mean look at the old read the Old Testament, you know, it's it's

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The exiles still had some good believing people in them. Oh Yeah, absolutely

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Hey, I've got a person that's Katie and Jesus Has come on and been on with us for a long time

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So I want to throw this question out here actually, there's two questions, let me get this first one Do we get to see some chickens tonight?

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And that is for the clock commander. So he has to get his finest chicken No So, yeah cats and chickens living together mass hysteria

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That's right. So the next one is hunter Biden's laptop story is what's Been the latest thing and social media seems to be covering that up.

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We got a lot to talk about on that in a little bit Just want to I want to throw it out there in honor of the question

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So if you Sean what you got you got anything on that you want to talk about real quick on which one which question on?

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The on the laptop, of course, you know, we've got some stuff for one throw up anyway, so So the let you talk about the hunter

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Biden issue. Yeah The hunter Biden hunter Biden, oh, yeah. Yeah, so so in You know, this is not the first time that this has come up.

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Obviously, it's the first time that we've had any real objective data Apparently, you know, I'm still you know,

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I'm still holding. I'm still reserving I'm not gonna I'm not gonna jump out there and say this is the smoking gun yada yada yada

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It seems plausible, but you know, let's be careful right that type of thing

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Yeah, that being said in the past, you know this type of thing with hunter Biden is not new we know about Burisma We know about him sitting on the board and all of that.

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I Have not been one. I have politically. I think it's been a it's not been a smart move

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It's not been a good move to focus on that hunter Biden's not running for the presidency that being said

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I understand the connections with Joe by and Biden being implicated now previously we had no objective data of that It was all hearsay.

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So my political opinion was like stay away from it because it's all opinion We should stay out of that business of the theory and the opinion now

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We've got something that's a little bit different something less a little bit hard of evidence potentially Now it could be something then obviously the meaning of it was purposeful

38:56

It's dropped, you know three weeks prior to the election, but this always happens. There's always like you said, it's an

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October surprise It happens on both sides. It happens on both sides of the aisle. Look the

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Democrats aren't done either They're gonna they tried they tried the same thing with Trump's taxes. Yeah, I could care less about I don't care what he's paid

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If he's paid zero good for him. I if he's done it legally good good good for him

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Tell me I want to know his secrets Well, I found out what his secret is though when it comes to his taxes what they haven't talked about is the fact that When they want him to give his tax information and when they got his tax information, it was for the years that he completely divested himself of his business gave it over to his children and that money that he was

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Supposed to be getting as president he was donating and he still is is donating right Bob Thousand I think he has a big goose egg for for income.

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And so no, he doesn't pay taxes but by the way Even when he's able to as a millionaire to get around paying taxes the legal way

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But see my concern with that is is not how does a millionaire get by with not paying taxes?

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But how does a government employee become a millionaire on a hundred and fifty or two hundred thousand dollar salary

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Yeah, I mean, that's that that's the sixty four million dollar question, but but you're But you're not allowed to ask that right?

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That's the type of thing You know, you know band when you've got morons like Senator Blumenthal, you know

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Yeah, the Vietnam veteran. I'm not not really. Yeah, you know who you know who I mean, he's he's one of the worst

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But you know, he's worth millions and he's done nothing He's literally done nothing

40:48

Joe Biden his whole career 47 years and I mean, he's never Joe we talked about Bernie Sanders, you know,

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Bernie Sanders was all he's never had a real job It Joe Biden has never had a real job either and people don't realize that Well, he's a hair care product inspector he

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He's the sniffer But But yeah,

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I really don't care about Trump's taxes and and previously I didn't care about a hundred Biden But now there could be some implications with Joe Biden The problem with Joe Biden is he's not gonna remember any of it when he says when he says

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I don't remember I believe him You know what? What bothers me about the the situation is that?

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You know, they spent billions of dollars in our tax money. That's that's the problem to Go after Trump and go after everybody that they could

41:42

I remember When I was doing landscaping work before I had my surgery I'm sitting and I'm listening to somebody and a news report came across and this was when

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Obama was in office Just as he was, you know, just about to be leaving office report came out

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Exposing and I think it was Sean Handy, but it might have been somebody else Exposing that that it was found out that the the

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I'm trying to think which agency it was. It might have been the IRS was targeting

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Conservatives targeting Christians. It was IRS. Yes And they were doing it on the the behalf of the

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White House Mm -hmm, and they were going after and I'm thinking to myself This is not good and then

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I come to find out Hillary Clinton and The you know Benghazi thing and I'm like, this is not good

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It goes from not being good to when is it that any of our leadership will be held accountable?

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Because here's my issue as a Christian I'm expecting that if I am involved in an error or sin

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That Sean, you know, John you guys love me enough to correct me. Come on, man

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Yeah, you know, but and I expect that you're gonna correct me and if you have to you're gonna discipline me

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Because you love me Where's the same amount of respect and love for these people to hold them accountable for their best good?

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you know it used to be seen that that that the role of government to hold that sword to wield the sword is

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The idea of true biblical justice, yeah fast and furious, you know

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All those things that have just went under the table All of this stuff no matter how much it gets exposed

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Nothing happens what that goes to show you but you think about that too with with fast and furious.

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I mean that The one who is in power has

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Controlled has much more control to cover those things up and to push them under under the under the rug

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That's why Benghazi was what it was That's why the fast and furious was what it was if that was an opposite presidency number one

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We don't we're not even talking about fast and furious and we're not even talking about Benghazi because those things don't happen in a you know in a normal type of You know president.

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Well, I would say a normal type of president and someone who has any ethics at all You know when it comes to that, you know, that's that mean both of those situations were absolutely horrendous

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You know, Hillary Clinton is 100 % responsible for Benghazi. We know it. She was the Secretary of State That's when people people talk about her emails her emails or emails

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That was the big part of what her emails were was Benghazi and people don't people forget that It is like oh she had some she had some emails and there were some bad stuff in them

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No, that was that was Benghazi That's why you know, we have a dead ambassador and we have dead soldiers because because of her nonsense

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Well, even to this day no repercussions. Let me ask you a question You were in the military

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Okay, you are you're still in reserves and I thank you so much for that God bless you and keep you safe and may you never see harm

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And I mean that so so one of your one of your higher ranking officials calls you and says

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Come and report here. Bring your laptops. Bring your computers and your cell phones and you say

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What to them? Yes, sir When you're there Yeah, you mean just in any situation whatsoever that I tell you to come.

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Yeah You're right there. So what would happen to you if you bleach bit all of this all the stuff and then take a sledgehammer and Destroy every drop that you can you can stop right there

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I would have been court -martialed and I would be in Leavenworth right now. So why I would be in for Leavenworth.

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Yeah So why is it prison that? Prison None of our our government leaders are held to that type of accountability because when

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I was a police officer and here's why I When I swore an oath as a police officer,

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I was informed that If I violate the

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Constitution of the United States I could look at life in prison or worse

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That I have to be very careful because violating the Constitution, which I'm sworn to uphold and protect

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It holds with it the the the implication that comes with it That is if you violate it, you can become a treasonous person and end up in federal custody or worse

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I know it's that way military. I mean, I would be the same with me It would be the same with me and it's by the way, you're welcome clay for that I see that yeah the service

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But the reason being is is because of you know, I hate to say it It's because of what

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Donald Trump says it's the swamp. I mean there there is so much corruption in Washington DC and look it

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And I shouldn't say this on the air, but I see it in the military. I mean you can see it It's it's at the

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Pentagon to mean there's that you know, they are supposed to be a political that's nonsense

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I mean, we we've seen that over and over and over. I gotta pause you. Yep.

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You don't have to say it There was a little bit short guy named lieutenant colonel Vindman Bingo pencil neck bingo comes walking in here and says

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I am the bureaucracy Yeah I am in charge and you're gonna listen to me because I'm the boss and Listen to me and you know, and I'm gonna look

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I'm a military officer I'm not I'm not a lieutenant colonel, but I'm still I'm still a ranking officer and Just you could just imagine how we feel how other officers look at that.

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It's not you it's not you go boy I'm gonna pull this up and I want everybody to see this.

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I'm just gonna play just maybe two minutes max And the reason is is the reason

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I'm talking about this is because we got people that you know, we're calling for accountability Okay While the the big tech guys are running out silencing

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Any voice that is an opposition of them? and by the way, I would encourage you guys to maybe look at parlor and look at rumble and start working on deplatforming

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Facebook and and well, they may be doing it themselves that it looks like they're doing themselves but Ted Cruz and The guys they have been all over the place

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Dana Lesh has been talking about them they have been all over place and look we've had enough because This hey, look this this

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I believe was the atomic bomb. Yeah, they they have they have literally shot them They have felt immune for so long

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They have shot themselves in the foot with this this this is going to be a major issue and guys like Cruz and Josh Hawley are not going to let it go by the wayside.

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No now listen this This is in response to the question that was just asked but I wanted, you know

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Kind of touch off of this Dinesh D'Souza posted this on rumble So here look listen

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The last two days we've seen a remarkable development We have seen big tech.

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We've seen Twitter and Facebook Actively interfering in this election in a way that has no precedent in the history of our country

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Yesterday the New York Post broke a story Alleging serious corruption of Joe Biden and Hunter Biden concerning Ukraine the allegations in the

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New York Post story if true Indicate that Vice President Biden lied when he said he had never discussed his son's business dealings that story

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Once the New York Post broke it Was blocked by Twitter and Facebook Anyone who attempted to share it was prevented from sharing it on Twitter or Facebook The New York Post itself when it attempted to put out its story was blocked on Twitter and Facebook The New York Post has the fourth largest circulation of any newspaper in this country

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Never before have we seen active censorship of a major press publication

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With serious allegations of corruption of one of the two candidates for president that was last night

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This morning the story escalated and got even worse the New York Post broke a second story of a series of emails that indicate yet more corruption in this instance the

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Biden family receiving millions of dollars from Communist China government officials

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Just Minutes ago. I tried to share that story on Twitter and Twitter is

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Actively blocking right now this instance stories from the New York Post Alleging corruption and the

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Biden family receiving millions of dollars from Communist China This is election interference and we are 19 days out from an election.

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It has no precedent in the history of democracy The Senate Judiciary Committee wants to know what the hell is going on Chairman Lindsey Graham and I have discussed this at length and the committee today will be noticing a markup on Tuesday To issue a subpoena to Jack Dorsey the

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CEO of Twitter to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee next

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Friday to come before this committee and the American people and Explain why

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Twitter is abusing their corporate power to silence the press and to cover up Allegations of corruption and let me be clear.

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I don't know if these New York Post stories are true or not. Those are questions so so The reason

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I wanted to share that is I mean, it's obvious that that's a huge story You know, that is a huge story, but it's the massive story.

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Yeah, it's the government's responsibility to protect You know as Romans 13 the government is to protect that I've actually just found out that they are going ahead and doing that with the

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Dorsey and with Zuckerberg they added Facebook to the subpoena as well

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So now Dorsey and Zuckerberg are going to get their spin clowns together

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To try to protect them within the next week and they're just they're not gonna they're not gonna do it

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I'm just gonna throw it out there. They don't show up they're going to try to postpone this until after the election and Hopefully hope that they have a

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Joe Biden as a president and then it goes away. Yeah Well, I think it won't go away

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They're they're gonna their attempt to hope to take over the Senate as well. And if they do that then it's pointless

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Yeah. Well, I don't want you to think about this Dana Lash asked asked one of the congressmen.

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Why would Facebook and Twitter and all these guys be doing this and Dan Bongino, he actually if you don't watch a show you guys need to watch

53:45

He he's he does a really good job. I think He actually talked about why they would want to be doing this if they can get rid of that 203 that has that they're under that that makes them

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Mm -hmm, you know makes them accountable or well, actually it makes them non -accountable, but it makes them not accountable exactly if but if they can get rid of that He said that that what they can do is then they can turn around and absolutely flatten out and destroy parlor

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Rumble anybody else is trying because I mean you think about it Facebook Google you have

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YouTube and and Twitter they are basically the four The four big names that that we get our information from our media from our news from and everything else

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I mean, that's they have the big big names They can drag this stuff out in court for years because they have the money you got the money

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It will Google YouTube is Google. Yeah, exactly. You're right they are and so they have the platform that they can do this forever if they come off of the the

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Protection that they're at and they go and become a declared publisher Good thing is is then they can be held accountable

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Bad thing is they got enough money that they don't care. That's right, you know So either way this goes this is not going to go good for for for most anybody

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I don't think what they are openly suppressing Rumble and parlor now they're doing that now.

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It's competition. It's competition for them the problem with this is that this again back to the story this story is

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Equivalent to what is a media state a China media state or Iranian media state

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They are they are thus saying we will allow what we want to go to the people and again

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Technically legally they can do it because of how the law is written now

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Ted Cruz knows that Lindsey Graham knows that Josh Hawley knows that part of the subpoena that they will be will be removing that section that will then say and and and my guess is when they get them there just by the simple fact that they've done this with these stories and in back -to -back days and Ted Cruz having that little video and and Individually saying personally saying look

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I tried to do this and I wasn't able to do it As long as they've got that the the number of the

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Senate seats that they need which they do as the same with a Supreme Court justice nomination, this will go away and a good for us because we don't need a

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Chinese media state We don't need an Iranian media state and if it doesn't happen and by some miracle we have a

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Biden presidency We are in deep trouble when it comes to sharing actual facts and real news

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Well, and you got to think about it Why I hate to say this but why would

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America deserve to be blessed and in the wake of you know, the the absolute wickedness that we've seen that people are

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Openly supporting and we don't as a whole we don't yeah as a whole we don't well

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There's a remnant here you and I know it as believers in Christ It's we're a remnant we're always going to be a remnant again for my theonomous friends out there

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Yeah, we're always going to be a remnant. There's not going to be we're not taking over anything

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We're gonna continue to we're gonna continue to be suppressed and no we don't like it

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You know, that's that's kind of the argument. Well, you like being you'd like me. No, no We'll fight when we need to fight, you know, we'll fight when it you know when it's when we're when we need to But that's just that's the fact of the matter and I think like you said earlier that is the sign of the times

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It just continues and continues to be that snowball rolling downhill. Well, and you think about it as Christians Don't we expect that?

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We're going to be silenced. I mean, we're promised persecution I mean unless you're part of the

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NAR I mean and I know Theonomy and NAR are best, you know twins their best.

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They're good buddies And I understand that but the NAR is, you know, the seven mountain mandate we're going to take over we're gonna you know

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You're promised your health wealth prosperity and all the good stuff that could ever happen to you Like eight months ago.

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I'm sorry. What's that? Didn't they didn't they just get rid of racism like eight months ago? They just wiped they wished it away.

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They prayed it away. They got rid of kovat. Ooh, what are you talking about? that was a Copeland John Copeland.

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Yeah, he shouted it down, you know, and then he said money cometh to me But you think about a clown what a clown?

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Yeah, but but think about it for the biblical Christians out there Do you expect to have nothing bad come to you when all the goods come to you from God?

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I mean Ecclesiastes, you know Why do we expect all the you know, all the blessings that heaven can can can can contain here?

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When we're not in heaven yet, you know, well, let me let well The reason is that professing

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Christians believe that is because they're told that you know, they listen to Joel Osteen They listen to the

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NAR. They listen to Bill Johnson. They listen to TD Jake's they listen to Joyce Meyer They listen to these clowns.

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I mean they are absolute Clowns and people they love it because they're they're fed the poison, you know, it's you know, it's like what is it from the line?

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The witch in the wardrobe The the Turkish delight or whatever. I mean, they're fed that and man, they just they need more of it

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They don't care that they don't care that there's any truth behind it or not if there's any behind it or not

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No, I totally agree with that. Yeah, it's I mean, that's the Turkish delight. That's a great analogy.

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Yeah, and you think about it You know in some ways I kind of wonder if Trump isn't the placebo

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That and I'm not saying that he is personally but just as far as the judgment goes that people don't realize they're blinded to the

01:00:06

The errors that are going on within the conservative camp, you know Because I mean you have just as many people that are the you know, what we call the rhinos

01:00:15

Republican and a moment name only, you know, and of course Andrew calls them China's the

01:00:22

Christians in name only right and and We have just just as many people that say they're they're conservatives that are that are

01:00:31

Anti -trump that are never Trumpers. They are there. I mean none of that, but they're anti -american

01:00:37

They're ready for the sea at fall. They want to see it destroyed, you know They're ready for the censorship and all the stuff and they claim to be

01:00:44

Christian. Yeah. No, I'm with you And I agree with KT and Jesus there.

01:00:50

We're still gonna be judge. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter It doesn't matter who wins now. Let's be fair Donald Trump has certainly protected

01:00:58

Christians, even though he is not a morally upstanding Christian. I get that. I understand

01:01:03

I'm not one of these people who who worship Donald Trump. I'm not yeah, but we are certainly safer

01:01:09

Under him then we will be under Joe Biden then we were under President Obama that there's no doubt about that But think about this as well and you guys um, if you disagree with me, that's fine

01:01:22

But the you mentioned the never Trumpers remember back in 2016 there was the dump

01:01:27

Trump Christian clan I mean, I heard I heard it over and over. How could you vote for him?

01:01:33

You know, look I'm not voting for a pastor He's I'm not but that is not what

01:01:38

I'm after again It's kind of like these non -theonomist acting like theonomist wanting us to have this

01:01:43

King pastor a good luck with that You know, you know, I was good. Yeah Let me take you back to 2012

01:01:51

I Guarantee you I would bet money on it if I were a betting man that you cast a ballot for Mitt Romney Go with the

01:02:00

Mormon. Yeah, stop with the nonsense I mean they do this all the time and it's just he's you dump

01:02:06

Trump blah blah blah get rid of everybody Jesus wins. I know that I get that Jesus wins.

01:02:12

We still have a responsibility You know, we shouldn't we shouldn't act like Donald Trump is a king and we shouldn't worship him like one at all, but listen when it comes to Christian persecution you are way better off with taking that road than taking the road of Joe Biden That's undeniable and for anybody to make an argument.

01:02:34

Otherwise, it's just nonsense They have they have no ground really to stand on by trying to make that argument

01:02:41

I agree with you, you know, and you think about that when you're talking about the theonomy issue Guys, I mean most people don't realize it but that was already tried.

01:02:49

It was called the Roman Catholic Church. Yeah, absolutely They tried that and they failed. There's some reason we're

01:02:54

Protestants, right? Yeah, exactly You know you on that subject on Trump.

01:03:01

I want to ask a couple of questions and So here's questions as a

01:03:06

Christian How do we evaluate candidates that are weird that we're gonna vote for You know as a

01:03:13

Christian, what are some of the standards that you're gonna say? Anybody can chime in here What are standards that you guys would say that you you look at when you're evaluating?

01:03:23

Am I going to vote for this person? So I look at it. So here so here's how

01:03:28

I look at it. It becomes issues You're gonna have you're gonna have primary issues and secondary issues.

01:03:34

That's how I look at it in 2016 and this this is a perfect example 2016 my main issue the primary issue for me was the

01:03:43

Supreme Court. It wasn't just me It was a lot of folks out there that being said look where we are today

01:03:50

Number three will be nominated this week. That is unheard of So I'm glad that was my first my first choice.

01:03:57

So I think about the Supreme Court That was because it was something to be thought about because when you look at it

01:04:04

We were going to have the issues now Antonin Scalia. He you know, that was an unknown That was an unseen but again, we still have we we're getting ready to have three.

01:04:13

That's number one number two Usually it's protection. Are they which which which candidate is going to protect me again

01:04:21

Romans 13? That's their first and foremost duty. So which one is going to protect me most so you look at the two out there

01:04:27

You've got one guy who promotes looting riding, you know craziness in the streets

01:04:33

And you've got another guy who's who's law and order you've got one guy who has just about every backing of every police union in the

01:04:40

Country, you've got another guy who has zero literally zero not one single police union has back to Joe Biden That should scare the living daylights out of people that want to cast a vote for him

01:04:52

It's a it's a as if their safety doesn't matter number three all the big issues that are going to come about Abortion and and having having that type of Having that type of freedom now at the bombshell that just came out

01:05:07

With Twitter and Facebook now, it's gonna be what can you say? And and are you gonna get news that you really want to have that's gonna be a big one.

01:05:16

That's moving forward That's gonna be an issue. And so that's and that's another one so you can just lay those out there and in those in sequential order and those are the big ones that I have and and It's when you lay them out like that, it's kind of an easy choice for me

01:05:32

So what you're saying is is you don't want communism. You don't want socialism. You don't want

01:05:37

Nazism You don't want Pravda. You don't want the media. I don't want jazz.

01:05:44

Yeah, you don't want jazz You don't want a media that is is run and controlled and teaches us

01:05:50

Basically 1984 all over again all over again, you know, and and you know, and everybody says it but but that's true

01:05:57

I mean, that's exactly that's exactly what they that's exactly what they did. I don't want a summer of love, you know

01:06:03

That's it's not that's not with this nonsense, you know, it just at some point you're like, you know

01:06:08

I'm not you want to look at people say I'm not stupid, you know, I get it

01:06:13

I understand that that's what you're trying to appeal to you're trying to just make people believe whatever

01:06:19

But again as Christians as you opened the show with we are supposed to be able to be ready to give an answer

01:06:25

We have to be able to to give a response You know, we have to know what we believe

01:06:32

How can you we how can we be Christians and be? Illiterate Christians that it's just that it doesn't make any sense because you can't be an illiterate

01:06:40

Christian meaning You don't understand Christian doctrine You don't understand what you believe Because if you don't understand what you believe then you don't know what you believe and if you don't know what you believe then you can't

01:06:49

Tell somebody else what you believe and if you can't tell somebody else That's what you believe. You can't tell them the gospel, which is the whole point of Christianity in the first place.

01:06:58

It's a snowball that you have to be able to build and roll, and if you can't do that, then you need to step back a little bit and let's get some learning.

01:07:11

There are some things that you just got to know. There's some things that you got to know, and a lot of folks say, well, you're going to study too much.

01:07:19

You're going to read too much. My goodness, look at the Bible. Yes, that's all you need, but yeah, it's not a small book.

01:07:28

There's a lot in there. It's jam -packed, and we are to read it.

01:07:33

Got a lot of studying to do, and you think about God and government and the

01:07:43

Christian obligation here. As Roman 13 tells me to be in subjection and submission to the governing authorities, part of that is to be praying for them, to be praying for their safety, for the right way that they should govern, but there's nothing in the scripture that would forbid me.

01:08:05

As a pastor, I think it would be a lowering of the standard for a pastor to get into public office because he should have a greater influence by God and a greater purpose by God as a pastor, but if you're called into office as a

01:08:27

Christian, I think it's a great thing. Mike Pence is a great example.

01:08:34

Exactly, and you think about it. His role is to, as vice president, right next to the president, he's basically right there next to, he's president part two.

01:08:48

I mean, if you really want to think about it, the VP is a president. They're just the vice president stepping in.

01:08:54

They make as many decisions and everything else, and they're just as responsible for leading the country, and in the case that a sitting president has to advocate just for a little bit, what happens?

01:09:07

They're the president, so you have to be able to trust them as well, but when it comes to Romans 13, and I'm looking at this, and it's telling me to be in subjection to the government and to do it in fear of God, to honor them, it tells me that not to oppose them as they are working out the obligations that they have to work for my best good, to wield the sword.

01:09:40

If you notice the language in Romans 13, it tells us that it's not just talking about war.

01:09:46

It's talking about doing what's right and what's good and what's fair and noble, and we should want leadership in there that's doing the right thing and upholding the standards so that you and I can then go out and practice our faith according to God and to the edicts of the word of God.

01:10:05

If you look at the Constitution, anybody that's read the Constitution, if you've read over it and didn't understand that when it talks about the creator, the one that's made the universe and made everything else, it's not talking about Muhammadism.

01:10:21

That's right. The Constitution was written by deist and theist, both understood that they were talking about the

01:10:30

God of the universe, the God of scripture, that they were escaping a theocratic system, a worldly system.

01:10:38

They were escaping a Roman Catholic system. They were escaping all of that, and they were wanting to come to worship God according to the edicts of the word of God, and that's what they were setting up, a government that would allow them the unquestioned freedom to worship

01:10:53

God as their conscience dictated. You know what got me about what you were saying a minute ago about the president that you would vote for or whatever?

01:11:05

What got me about it was, if you look at the Supreme Court, it's made up of almost all

01:11:12

Roman Catholics, and I actually pointed this out the other day, and I posted on there.

01:11:18

It'd be really nice if there was one Baptist in the whole group just to throw in a little wrench in the thing, but it's like, in our government, the

01:11:28

Catholics are told to go out there and go do the work of the Roman Catholicism. There's more of them, too.

01:11:34

Look at the ratio. I mean, there's still more of them, too, but think about this, too. We know when it comes to theology, we're going to have issues with the

01:11:43

Catholics, but when it comes down to morality, I'll stand with the Catholics when it comes to their stance on abortion.

01:11:50

I'll stand with the Catholics when it comes to their— Well, you know what I mean, from the official church,

01:11:56

I get it, I understand, but we'll stand with them on the

01:12:01

Trinity, on those types of doctrines and issues like that. So, Angie, you asked, do you think that Mike Pence is a born -again

01:12:11

Christian? You said, I haven't looked into his doctrine deep enough. As far as I know, he is a

01:12:17

Southern Baptist, which is cool, and he is a deeply devoted Christian.

01:12:24

He actually talks about his faith a lot. There is nothing that I have seen or read about Mike Pence that would cause me caution there, so I have to, until otherwise,

01:12:38

I would say yes. Now, could there be something wrong? Sure, but we're not always going to line up with everything theology -wise either.

01:12:48

Folks, stop doing that. Stop trying to call people not your brothers if they don't line up in every single doctrinal area that you have.

01:13:00

Major on the majors, and be easy on the minors when it comes to that. I'm with you,

01:13:07

Justin. I think he exhibits Christianity, Orthodox Christianity, as we know it.

01:13:15

Just look at the debate that he was with against Kamala. Sure, absolutely, yep. He took the high road every single time.

01:13:23

Every time. He never lost his focus, and he never blew up in front of her.

01:13:30

He was a perfect gentleman. I mean, he really was. Now, that being said, Mitt Romney is a great debater in debates like that as well, but he's clearly lost.

01:13:42

He is not a born -again believer. You don't think that Mormons are Christians? No. Easy answer, no.

01:13:51

Okay, all right. So I assume that you're fine saying that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't either, huh?

01:13:57

I am fine with saying that, yes. You're very judgmental. I see. When you deny the deity of Christ, yes, that's one of the majors that I'm talking about.

01:14:08

Oh, okay, there you go. Well, I'm glad you put that out there. Hey, I wanted to share a couple of things with you.

01:14:14

Dump Trump. They see, there they are. They're everywhere. Yeah, Dump Trump. When you said that, it reminded me of this.

01:14:20

South Carolina elections chairman resigns after he and his wife were accused of removing and defacing

01:14:27

Trump signs. Um, um, there, there's a lot more on there, uh, you know, from that, but you know, what got me about that was, you know, when you said the

01:14:36

Dump Trump thing, I was thinking, I've, I know I've seen that. Um, yeah, you know, that was a slogan in 2016.

01:14:44

There were some, you know, there were some good reformed brothers back in 2016 that, that was their slogan.

01:14:51

And, you know, I was just like, what are you guys doing? You know, what are you doing? Um, and I wonder if they still say that, you know, they probably do.

01:15:00

They probably do. You, uh, friends of mine over, you know, when I, I, I, I'll be honest with you.

01:15:06

When, when Trump came in, I was very worried. Uh, and, and nobody knew what he was going to do.

01:15:12

Nobody knew what he was going to do. There was just no way to know. My biggest issue is, and it, it, it amazes me with Pence that, uh, and I noticed that he's not around those, uh, the, the, um,

01:15:25

Paula White's and all those others that are up there. He's, I don't think I've seen him around there, but, but the fact that Trump has

01:15:31

Paula White, who is the priestess of, of all things heretical, um, the, the fact that he has, he has her on, you know, his platform and he's allowing her to pray and, and be around that.

01:15:45

It, that scares me because it's like, it's giving her a boost in her heresy.

01:15:51

You know, and I have no, I have no problem with praying, but when you listen to her pray,

01:15:58

I have a problem with that because of even the way she, what she says in the prayer.

01:16:03

Yeah. It disqualifies her. Oh yeah. Pastrix, the pastrix.

01:16:09

Yes. Um, uh, the, the, the one thing that I wanted to point out on the, on the, um, the

01:16:16

Hunter Biden story is the amount of, of, uh, people that have been blocked and censored and cut off.

01:16:22

I mean, what is it? Kayleigh McEnany. Oh, it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's millions. Uh, it's going to be up there.

01:16:29

And, and, and that is a, again, that's why this is a big story. Most, you know, we're not going to really see the whole repercussions of it, but there is a major,

01:16:39

I mean, it's a major reach and Twitter and Facebook know this. I mean, they know this. And again, they've, they've been so immune to not having any repercussions.

01:16:48

They didn't think about it that, trust me, they didn't have a clue because they haven't been called on it.

01:16:53

And they thought, well, we can just do it again. And thank God for Ted Cruz.

01:16:59

And thank God for Josh Hawley that, you know, those are men who have been elected to do things that we are, that we want them to do.

01:17:07

And it's important for them to be able to do what they're going to do with, with, you know, what's going to happen next week.

01:17:16

Who knows? But thank goodness they're at least doing something. So there's a news agency.

01:17:22

Uh, let me see if I can pull them up here. I'm trying to get them up here. So I might say, I just posted the screenshot.

01:17:28

That's what I'm trying to get to. Um, here it is. All right. Yeah. I believe you can see it.

01:17:35

Yeah. Mm hmm. Excuse me. Twexit. Twitter exit. Twexit.

01:17:41

Okay. And they're just one of the, I don't know them personally. I'm not endorsing them. I think it's from source from the blaze.

01:17:48

Uh, Phil Shiver posted this. Um, he's talking about, uh, the fact that, you know, what we've been talking about,

01:17:57

Twitter has been locking out access. Uh, White House press secretary, um, uh, was deplatformed.

01:18:06

It was closed up, but here's what blew me away. I highlighted it in response to censorship, the

01:18:11

Republican House Judiciary Committee. Now you notice that, uh, Ted Cruz was speaking on behalf of the

01:18:17

Senate House Judiciary Committee. Correct. Okay. So the Republican House Judiciary Committee decided to publish the entire story on their website and somebody,

01:18:28

I don't know who said, I, you know, dares, I would dare them to, to block them. Um, they went out and went ahead and took the challenge and decided to block the house and the

01:18:40

Senate from being able to post this stuff. And I don't know, you know,

01:18:45

I don't know how, uh, how much fortitude intestinal fortitude you got to have, you know, to step up against the government.

01:18:54

But I think these guys really believe that they can, they can do anything they want to. Well, they've been able to.

01:19:00

Yeah. That they've been able to, and you know, it's, it's, it's going to be that, it's going to be that one time, you know, where they get the, uh, you know, the, the, the

01:19:14

Marty left -hand push to Biff Tannen and down he goes, you know, and then things change.

01:19:22

You know, but I wonder if they're just thinking to themselves, if they can block for Joe Biden long enough that, you know, if he gets into office, which is their hope, if he gets into office, uh,

01:19:36

I mean, I think you guys have probably seen the, the numerous amounts of information talking about the, the, um, absentee ballots that have magically ended up in trash cans and shredded in trucks and trailers.

01:19:52

And that's not new, by the way, that happens with every election. Yeah. Yeah.

01:19:58

But it's happened a lot. Now I just heard a report today that in our area, something like, um, 38 ,000 extra people have voted so far in this first few days than normally does.

01:20:12

Right. And that's, that's significant. I mean, look, I think, I think everybody should, should vote, you know?

01:20:20

Well, you, you sure. But here's what, here's something I think people don't understand about absentee ballots.

01:20:25

And of course we're talking about just random mailing people, everybody on the roll calls these ballots as well.

01:20:33

That being said, what people don't understand about absentee ballots, those ballots do not even get counted.

01:20:40

You know, most of the military, and I know this from being a military member, most of the military members ballots never get counted, you know, no.

01:20:48

And most absentee ballots won't either. And the reason being is because of the electoral college.

01:20:53

So if you're, if say you, say you live in Tennessee, for instance, you are a red state, you are blood red, right?

01:21:01

So there's not going to be any reason in the end for those votes from the, from the absentee votes in Tennessee to be counted.

01:21:10

Why? Because it's going to be red anyway. So people don't understand that their votes don't even get counted.

01:21:16

And I get it. There's no need to. So there's a big difference when you vote in person, which it's going to get counted because it's going to get counted electronically.

01:21:25

It's going to automatically go on the, on the ticker. The only time that those absentee ballots would be needed is if you've got, you need a recount and there is a less than a,

01:21:35

I think it's a 2 % or one and a half percent or whatever it's going to be. So it, it behooves you to vote in person versus vote in absentee.

01:21:45

Yeah. So what do you think about the, um, um, what's her name? Nancy Pelosi trying to pull out the, um, uh, article 25.

01:21:55

So the 25th amendment, this is not for Donald Trump. I know.

01:22:00

So, okay. Yeah. This is, so this is, so yeah, this is, so they're, they're playing this on their own man.

01:22:06

Um, again, they're, they're believing the polls, right? They just like they did in 16, they believe their man is going to be in, and then, and you know, he's a puppet, he is a marionette and it's going to be, let's transition.

01:22:21

Yep. We're going to transition Harrison immediately. And once we do, because look, what a perfect person for them to pick.

01:22:28

She'll do anything. They say she'll flip flop on any issue whatsoever. She's done it her whole entire career.

01:22:35

She doesn't stand on anything. She's, she's easily manipulated and that's what this 25th amendment is going to be.

01:22:43

It's going to be okay. You've won. Now you get out of the way. Let's slide her in. The problem is going to be is

01:22:49

I don't think that's going to happen. Okay. I just got this popped up from rumble.

01:22:55

Dinesh D'Souza has been cutting clips and pulling clips together. And this is from, um, the, uh, cause you know, the, that we're not having a, um, um, a debate tonight, right?

01:23:06

Right. They're Biden and Trump are doing town halls, uh, in separate, uh, places.

01:23:13

So before I, before I pull this up, um, what do you guys think about the debate? Should Trump have said, yeah, let's go ahead and have it with the, with the almost 100 % certainty that there was going to be a, a, um, a whole entire host of people that he would be debating rather than just one person or two.

01:23:31

What do you think? You know, initially I thought it was a bad move, but with this whole

01:23:38

Hunter Biden issue that's come out and the big tech thing, it's completely put it away.

01:23:44

So it's, it's, it's, it's been a win for Donald Trump. And for whatever reason, he seems to get those types of wins.

01:23:50

You know, it's like, he's, it's like, he's, you know, he's that energizer, energizer bunny that just keeps on going.

01:23:56

They always keep saying that he plays 4d chess. I mean, yes, yes. Always one step ahead.

01:24:02

And sometimes you just don't know if he's, if something, he's doing something because he knows what's going to happen, you know, three steps down the road.

01:24:13

I mean, he just seems to know that kind of stuff. I mean, but he knows how to play the media.

01:24:19

I mean, he's an entertainer. He's not a politician. Oh yeah, there's, there's no doubt about that. And he'll, and he'll be the first to tell you that.

01:24:25

Yeah. Yeah. He knows how the media works. Yeah. You know, what I think though, is, is that you also have the issue that, you know, he realizes

01:24:34

I, I honestly think that he realizes that Trump realizes that he's not going to be here either in a few weeks or in four years.

01:24:45

And no matter what he does, if he doesn't shore up some semblance of a strong constitutional conservative group base, this country is destroyed.

01:24:57

And so is his company, his business, his livelihood, his family, all his generations are going to be destroyed.

01:25:03

I mean, you think about it, we live in a country where oligarchs are, you know, in bed with our, you know, our pundits and our, our, and, and I don't mean literally, but maybe they are, but that's not what

01:25:18

I meant, you know, as far as, you know, in that figurative sense, they are, they are there with our, our political pundits.

01:25:25

And they're there with our political friends who are supposed to be taking care of us.

01:25:31

All of our congressmen, all of our senators, all of our has somebody in their ear that is, that is saying,

01:25:36

Hey, look, if you'll just, if you'll just tweak things my way, this way, whatnot, I'll make it easier for you. Life can be better for you.

01:25:42

You know, your son sure would be good at this job. You know, all these things that are, that are just going on constantly.

01:25:49

Trump's not getting that. He gets that literally every, and I don't know why, but literally all the businesses that are big businesses want him gone.

01:26:02

They're profiteering off of him because he's doing such a great job for the stock markets. But, but the businesses want him gone.

01:26:09

They want him out. They want him, you know, they would rather have Joe Biden. The reason, but the reason for that.

01:26:15

And so the argument and you're right, it doesn't make sense. You know, the optics of that doesn't make sense, but here's the thing.

01:26:23

The biggest corporations are the biggest lobbyist. I agree. So they still dictate what goes on and people don't realize that.

01:26:31

I don't think so that it's the lobbyist who control Washington and those are the biggest corporations.

01:26:39

They really don't care about his politics that they, they don't care. They could care less. As long as they can control whoever it is.

01:26:48

And that's their issue with Trump is that they can't, he can't be bought. He's not ease.

01:26:53

And so somebody who can't be bought is no good for the lobbyist. And he's an unusual character in that manner.

01:27:00

Yeah. But what do you think it's going to be like? Angie H. She says, even after the election, we've got four more years, you know, if we have four more years,

01:27:08

I'm dreading the choice for 2024. I have said this. I don't care. I don't care if, if he's out in, in four weeks or four years, whoever's next is the guy, the socialist want.

01:27:21

I mean, the pendulum always swings back and forth. The next one is going to be, it's not going to be a conservative.

01:27:29

It's not going to be a constitutionalist and may not be a he, it might be transgender. We don't know. But so it's going to be whoever it is, is going to be the absolute polar opposite.

01:27:39

And what we're seeing today is the person that they want is antichrist.

01:27:45

I mean, well, it is, but here's, let me, let me give you some hope. So I know where I'm going.

01:27:51

So I'm okay with that. That's exactly right. So statistically, here's the issue. So what, what you're going to see in these cycles.

01:27:59

So you see, you see many new, new voting liberals come out of, they come out of college, right?

01:28:06

They've been, they've been taught, you know, they've been taught academia. They, and, but a very large majority of them change their political stances.

01:28:17

When, when they start in the working force, then they, when things start to really, you know, they really get real for them.

01:28:27

They understand that what they were told and what they were fed, that Turkish delight that they were fed in college is not really

01:28:35

Turkish delight. So many of them do leave those ranks. So it kind of evens out a lot and that's just academia.

01:28:43

And so non academia, you have many, many more conservatives who are bought, who are brought into vocational professions, and they're going to be conservative just based on what they do and how they work.

01:28:55

So statistically, I get what you're saying, but it may not be as bad as you think it's going to be.

01:29:03

My only concern is, is that Jesus wins, right? It's wins, brother. He's, he's on it. He's got it.

01:29:09

But my only concern is, and look, like I said, when I'm talking about concern, I don't have a fear. Okay.

01:29:16

I don't have a phobia against anybody because there is, nobody's going to take me for, you know, out of my father's hands.

01:29:21

I'm going to heaven. By the way, he's building his kingdom. He's going to bring it with him. He's going to establish it and none of us are going to stop him.

01:29:28

Yeah. You know, I'm going to have fun talking to politics, no matter who's in office. You know, and I'm going to serve,

01:29:34

I'm going to put on the uniform as long as they let me put on the uniform, you know, and I'm still going to, you know,

01:29:39

I'm still going to serve as long as I'm not told, you know, to do something against my, you know, against my beliefs.

01:29:47

Oh, by the way, most people don't know this. When we, when we take, when we swear in, um, in our allegiance in the military, we swear to the constitution.

01:29:54

We do not swear to the president of the United States, which is something very unusual for most militaries.

01:30:01

Most militaries countries, they will swear allegiance to their leader and we swear to the constitution.

01:30:06

So if we have, you know, if we believe that, you know, our leader is being unconstitutional, we can use that and, and take the legal course, you know, from a military perspective.

01:30:19

So just a little FYI for people that didn't know that. That's right. That's right. And that's because everybody's accountable.

01:30:25

That's right. You know, that's one thing that I admire about the legal system within the military.

01:30:33

It's great. It is great. It's great. I mean, it really is. There are people that squindle out of it.

01:30:39

There are people that get out of it, but it's so few when you compare it to what we got in the

01:30:44

American judicial system. It is completely different. You know, it's, it's much less politicized.

01:30:51

Yeah. It's very more, it's very more contextual, um, which is, which is good. Yeah. Um, I want to show everybody this because this just came up.

01:31:01

Dinesh, you know, uh, he's, he don't listen to me anyway, but thank you so much for putting this out here. Um, I want to make sure everybody can hear it, but the lady asked this question and here's the answer.

01:31:10

We can do the van chokeholds. You can, but, but beyond that, you have to teach people how to deescalate circumstances, deescalate.

01:31:19

So instead of anybody coming at you and the first thing you do is shoot to kill, you shoot them in the leg. There's ways you have to do more background checks in terms of whether or not the person coming in passes certain psychological tests.

01:31:32

And the last thing I'll say, and I'm sorry, because it was really, I think really, really important is you have to be in a position where you are able to identify, identify the things that have to change.

01:31:44

And one of the things that has to change is so many cops get called into circumstances where somebody is mentally off.

01:31:51

Like what happened not long ago, that guy with the knife. That's why we have to provide police departments, psychologists, and social workers to go out with the cops on those calls.

01:32:04

Those, some of those 911 calls to deescalate the circumstance, deal with talking them down.

01:32:12

Cops are kind of like school teachers. That, I mean, that is, that is, that is moronic.

01:32:18

That is taking a water pistol and trying to put out a bonfire or something like that. I mean, he doesn't, he doesn't even, he doesn't understand what he's saying.

01:32:27

He's, he's repeating talking points that he's been told, but it's just, that's not shoot them in the leg.

01:32:32

You know, it's nonsense. You know, we were taught humble Clay puts on. Yeah. Because officers don't know anything about deescalation.

01:32:39

That's what they're taught. They're taught. They're trained at over and over. Look, I mean, I think the thing that bothers me the most about this situation is you have politicians that have never had to deal with an escalated circumstance where they don't have 40 people around them that are armed to the teeth and they're capable and able of, of slamming somebody on the ground, putting major pain on somebody and stopping them very quickly, very effectively.

01:33:07

They've never dealt with a situation where they've actually been under fire or been under threat and they're being the armchair quarterback.

01:33:16

And they're, they're talking to people about, you know, how we've got to do things politically because they have no clue how to do things in reality.

01:33:25

Now they don't, don't have a clue. And that's what drives me nuts about when I hear these guys talking like this, you know, did you hear what he said though?

01:33:32

That what the answer shoot him in the leg. Yeah. Yeah. Shoot him in the leg so they don't die.

01:33:38

Yeah. Okay. We're, we were trained to shoot to stop, not, not to kill, but to stop.

01:33:45

And you start, you start with the chest because that is the biggest mass of the body.

01:33:51

You shoot to stop them. And when they get to a point where they can grab your gun, you're going to have to take them on, you know, physically and stop them, you know, with your hands.

01:34:03

I mean, I have seen many cases where we've, you know, we've had people that have adrenaline or something that they can run right through whatever they're being shot with and they run right up and they don't stop.

01:34:18

You know, when he talked about that guy with a knife, that guy with a knife was the one that they shot him in the back.

01:34:24

He had a knife. He has a knife by the way, pundits and everybody else in the media.

01:34:30

Oh, there was, he was unarmed and he was just, you know, uh, the innocent guy. No, he was trying to abuse a woman.

01:34:37

I think it was a physical, uh, sexual abuse, uh, abuse a woman and they were trying to stop him.

01:34:43

And he fought these three or two or three officers that he fought them like crazy. And he was trying to put some serious hurt on them.

01:34:50

Yeah. Well, and it's things like the, you know, former police officer. I mean, you've been, you've been trained in that.

01:34:56

And then here I see this marionette clown who's, who's telling me, telling us, telling the

01:35:04

American people about this. This is very similar by the way in medicine. This is like us listening to Dr.

01:35:10

Fauci, right? So this is a guy who, not, not as first, it drives me insane.

01:35:18

Here I am hazmatting up every day, taking care of a COVID patient. And then I have Dr. Fauci who hasn't seen treated the first patient telling me how to do it.

01:35:27

It's nonsense. People don't understand that. They think that he's the high end. No, I want to listen to somebody who's been there.

01:35:33

Done. That has got the t -shirt. Yeah. And you think about it,

01:35:39

Romans 13, back to Romans 13. Again, the, the authority doesn't wield the sword in vain.

01:35:48

The point is, is for us as believers, we should know better than to be assaultive, combative and argumentative, disrespectful and whatnot towards police officers.

01:36:04

Because there are consequences to bad behavior. You know, mama, mama used to teach this. She don't teach it anymore.

01:36:10

There are consequences of bad behavior. Now, when you get to a certain level of bad behavior, because mom didn't teach you, the police officer is going to have to.

01:36:18

Well, now mom, you know, that doesn't want to teach the kids is now standing in front of the police officer saying, don't you dare discipline my kids.

01:36:26

And it's, you know, Karen, her name is Karen now. And she's all over the place.

01:36:32

And now we have kids that are 20, 30 years old and they don't respect any authority.

01:36:38

We're told that they don't wield the sword in vain. You know, they're supposed to do their jobs now.

01:36:46

Yes, there are police officers that have, have went out of bounds. You know,

01:36:51

I watched a video just today that somebody had posted about a gentleman who's, you know, on his phone.

01:36:59

He's sitting there holding up saying these police officers are being so mean to me and I'm not doing anything wrong. And for like 15 minutes, he's complaining about what they're doing.

01:37:07

They're sitting right beside him. The doors open. They're talking to him. One police officer has had enough of this, you know, positioning.

01:37:15

And he says, you're going to come out of the car or I'm going to drag you out now.

01:37:22

Well, yeah, this is, it's virtue signaling. It's, it's, it's, it's set up. It's all, that's all that is. Yeah.

01:37:27

And I saw that and I'm thinking to myself, 90 % of the people in America who have no clue about the

01:37:34

Romans 13, who have no clue about the, the authority that, that we should be respecting are going to look at that and saying that police officer shouldn't have done that.

01:37:43

No. When you're told to get out of the car, you're under arrest. You say, yes, sir. You stand up, you fight it in court.

01:37:51

You've already lost. You're not going to win this case. Even if you, you know, are, are, you know, win by social media, you're not going to win this case when it comes to this offering.

01:38:01

And the chances are, you know, again, that was just, that was a setup. Yeah. And, and, and let me just, let me play, it's not really devil's advocate, but let me just give you another instance.

01:38:12

This whole, this whole bit out in Moscow, Idaho, that, that got all of the coverage for the singing out in the public square, what have you, you know, that,

01:38:22

I'm sorry. Yeah. So let's look, that was a setup. I mean, Christians should not, we should not be doing that.

01:38:29

We should not be provoking our government officials to do things like that.

01:38:35

And then trying to turn it on its head and make it look like it was the other way around, because that's what happened there.

01:38:43

That was a provoking of that, of that local government. And we shouldn't be doing that.

01:38:48

That is, that is wrong. And that is unethical. And that is against every standard that we're taught in the

01:38:54

Christian realm. I totally agree. You know, and you think about it, I mean, I've had so many people say, you know, this is, if you say anything against this, it's

01:39:03

Doug Wilson derangement syndrome. And, and you're, you're just mad because it's Doug Wilson. Look, I don't care if it was flip

01:39:10

Wilson was, I don't care who it was when, when, when you're telling

01:39:16

Christians to, to go against, you know, this mandate that actually has nothing to do with you.

01:39:25

You could actually, you know, be out to be at your church and be worshiping the Lord, but you want to stand out in public with your mask off and challenge.

01:39:34

I mean, I heard the whole thing, police officers walking through talking to the people.

01:39:40

You know, the people that were together are sitting there together.

01:39:46

The police officer says, are you, are you like family units and you're okay with that? And they had already set all of that up.

01:39:54

So just long as your social distance and all this, no problem. A man turns around, he says, yeah, this is my wife, sister, cousin, whatever.

01:40:02

And then other guy grabs a hold and says, yeah, but he's not mine. Challenging the officer.

01:40:08

I'm sorry. You just earned yourself a free ticket to jail and I don't have any sympathy for you.

01:40:13

And there was no reason to do it. And look, I get it. I, I understand the nonsense behind the mask.

01:40:19

It's complete nonsense. There's no scientific data behind it. I'll be the first to tell you. I practice medicine. I will tell you that I get,

01:40:26

I get all of that. But again, the setup, the whole situation, just not a fan, not a fan whatsoever.

01:40:35

Well, let me ask if I can, I have a segue into that.

01:40:41

How do we refuse to submit? How do we, when do, and how do we stand up and say, this is, it's time for us to say no.

01:40:52

You know, when do we do that? From a biblical perspective. Now I have a few of my own that I've thought of from the scripture.

01:41:00

What have you got? What do you think on this? Well, I mean, I mean, there's, there's so many instances.

01:41:06

I mean, let's be fair. There's not many instances today in America where we're forced to do those types of things.

01:41:16

It's just, it's not happening yet. Unless you live in California. Well, right.

01:41:21

Again, there are, there's, there are some, there's, there is some of that that's going on out there and that really, again, a biblical perspective on things about Romans 13.

01:41:32

But yeah, there are things when, when things, okay, let's use California. So in an instance like California, where they have complete and total lockdowns for everything, and when they're doing it for weeks, when it starts to affect the, the minds, when it starts to affect the health of others.

01:41:52

I mean, that's when you start to say, look, you're not doing good for me. This is not what, this is not, you're not doing good for me.

01:41:59

You're not doing good for the community. We need to get some people together and let's have, you know, we need to get, have some discussions about what to do from here.

01:42:10

I don't know what you had, what, you know, what types of scenarios you had brought up, but let's, let's hear what you had to say.

01:42:18

Are they hypotheticals? Actually, well, no, the, from the, from the scripture, actually, I wanted to look at it, you know, on, on, you know, the submission rebelling thing.

01:42:27

But let's, you know, talking about California, you know, you have, you know, Grace Community Church out there and you have a couple of churches that have been saying, no, we're not going to, you know, comply because of...

01:42:39

Well, they have constitutional rights. They have constitutional rights, exactly. Um, as far as I can tell on that, um, um, no,

01:42:48

I don't disagree with John MacArthur. Um, I've, I would, I would, I would not disagree with John MacArthur unless I had a very good reason to, and this, in my case,

01:42:57

I agree with him completely. John MacArthur, they, they complied too long. Yeah.

01:43:02

And, and I agree because here's the way I saw it. Once the science started coming out that showed that this was not the pandemic that everybody was calling, once it started coming out and saying, um, how do

01:43:20

I say this? Once this, the science started coming out and saying, this is not the pandemic that everybody claimed it was, uh, now when it came, when it came from China, you know, when it came out from China, um, you know, the

01:43:31

China, Chinese COVID virus, the, uh, the Wing Chun or the, what do you call it?

01:43:38

Wuhan. I said Wing Chun flu. I'm sorry. The Wuhan flu. When it came out, um, yeah,

01:43:44

I believe it was very potent and very deadly. I mean, I, I don't know. Uh, I wasn't there when it was, when it was produced, but there's a lot of information that says it was, uh, it was, uh, helped along by some scientists, um, at, at the, the, the lab at the expense of the

01:44:02

CIA and some others. Um, and I don't know all the details on that, but I do want to say that whatever it was, we know it started out really bad and it hit

01:44:10

Italy like a tidal wave. When it started coming over here, I think it starts dissipating.

01:44:16

And we're seeing now that is, it is as, as deadly as a cold and the flu, uh, that it is, um, maybe even not as deadly as that.

01:44:27

So it's not a pandemic now. It may be a pandemic of emotion, but it's not an actual pandemic.

01:44:33

And so when they found out, we lost the definition of pandemic long ago, when it comes to numbers, nobody wants to say that either.

01:44:40

I agree. I totally agree. But think about it when that, when that idea goes away,

01:44:46

John MacArthur makes a clear case on this. He says, when that's gone, we clearly see it's not a pandemic.

01:44:52

We need to stop acting like that. We need to be in fellowship because this is the spiritual house, you know, the white house, the government and everything else.

01:45:01

They do their job. Our job is the spiritual job. And the reason that you're seeing all the insanity going on is because the, the house of, you know, of, of spiritual and morality and biblical teaching, uh, is gone.

01:45:15

And we need, there's a necessity for the body of Christ to be in worship and in the world.

01:45:21

And then of course, Gavin Newsom, he comes along and says, what? No, I don't think so.

01:45:26

Yeah. Yeah. Gavin Newsom tries to play King. Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan tries to play

01:45:32

Queen. When, when you, when you get into those types of situations, that's when we as, because it's, it, because from a, from a biblical perspective, we have the constitution.

01:45:43

The constitution is what governs our country, right? It's not, the rulers are supposed to go by that constitution.

01:45:51

When they clearly openly deny that, then that's when we say, Hey, look, we have every constitutional right to gather together.

01:46:00

We can worship as we, as we wish. We can take these chances as we wish. And, and, you know, the thing about it, as far as from the

01:46:08

Christian perspective, you know, all through history, we see, you know, Exodus 1 17, uh, that entire section, what was the

01:46:17

Pharaoh doing? What was the, what was he trying to do? He's trying to get the, the housewives or I'm sorry, the midwives to kill the

01:46:23

Israelite babies. You know, uh, there's two things going on. They feared

01:46:28

God and they refused to do what the King said, except they didn't want to deal with the consequences.

01:46:35

So they lied. Yeah. They covered it up. Yep. Yeah. They lied. Um, I've actually had people say to me, well, wait a minute.

01:46:43

Um, if it's always wrong, well, that was wrong. You know, I, I'm, I'm a, uh, a nonconformist when it comes to that.

01:46:51

I believe absolutely. When the scripture says it's a, it's a sin that you don't do this, you don't do it.

01:46:58

And lying is a sin. And in that situation, they weren't more moral or right for lying to the

01:47:04

King. They didn't need to. They take the consequences. As far as I can tell, all throughout the scripture, the godly people that would stand up were willing to stand up for God, for his glory, do the right thing and take whatever happened out of it.

01:47:19

The consequences, you know, uh, it is what it is, you know, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

01:47:25

They didn't say, well, I don't want to burn. What did they say? We don't even have to think about it.

01:47:31

Their answer to Nebuchadnezzar, we don't even have to think about it.

01:47:39

Uh, it doesn't matter to us if, if, you know, whatever the case is, if God shows up and protects us or not, we are still going to stand up here and we refuse to bow the knee to worship you, your idol as a

01:47:52

God. You know, so, so, so Rahab, Rahab was in sin. Well, yeah, just because she didn't have to lie, you know, and the thing about this is she took the, you know, she chose not to deal with the consequences.

01:48:07

You know, Daniel, you think that's the one that usually people bring up, right? They usually bring up Rahab. Actually, I find that most people don't even, don't, don't read the

01:48:15

Bible enough to even realize who Rahab was. To know where she was. Yeah. It was Jericho. It was

01:48:20

Jericho. Yeah, she was over there in the east corner, you know, uh, we're talking about Daniel.

01:48:27

In the wall. What did Daniel need to do? I mean, he could have just not done his worship and prayers for 30 days.

01:48:38

And he said, I won't do it. The only, if you notice, they all showed respect.

01:48:44

They were all humble. Um, a couple of them lied.

01:48:51

A couple of them were deceptive, but the truly biblical ones that we can look at, you know, Daniel and such, uh,

01:48:57

Peter, even in Peter, he says, um, first Peter two, uh, he says, submit yourself for the

01:49:02

Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it's to kings or authorities or for governors sent by, uh, him to as, as a punishment to evildoers and the praise to those who are right for such as the will of God that you do right.

01:49:16

We're talking about Peter. I mean, you know, when you're talking sons of thunder, he was a louder one.

01:49:22

He was louder of these guys, you know, and he's, he's the guy that, that, that he was so boisterous and whatnot.

01:49:29

And he says, um, for, uh, such as the will of God that you do right.

01:49:35

And by your right doing, you may silence the ignorance of foolish men act as if you're free men and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, you know, theonomist, um, but use it as a bond slave of God.

01:49:53

You know, I think a lot of people talk about their freedoms and whatnot, and they want to use it as a license for them to be able to stand up and say, um, well, since I disagree with the government, it's time to overthrow the government time to go to war against the government.

01:50:09

And you don't see that in scripture. Yeah. Um, it's yeah. Kate, uh, humble

01:50:15

Clay says, wasn't Peter the one that sliced off this guy's ear? Yeah. And, and look what

01:50:21

God did to him. He, he absolutely humbled him. Um, yeah, but, you know, and Peter, you know, again, you know,

01:50:30

I always try to be fair, you know, to be fair, Peter lied about being associated with Jesus after the crucifixion as well.

01:50:37

You know, he learned a lot from that. Oh yeah. You can see that. You can see that in his writing. Well, but think about too, uh,

01:50:45

Paul comes in absolutely eviscerates Peter. You know, he says,

01:50:51

I, I, I to his face. He did. You know, he absolutely just rips him apart.

01:50:58

You hypocrite in front of everybody. I mean, cause you're talking about, you're talking about, you know, the issue of people's soul and he wasn't willing to back down a drop and he went to him and they loved each other.

01:51:13

You know, Peter submitted, he humbled himself. It is obvious that he, you know, fully, fully agreed and understood what was being done.

01:51:22

And he humbled himself before that correction. So yeah, no, absolutely.

01:51:27

You talk about a son, a son of thunder and Paul. Oh man. Yeah. Could you, I mean, if you have a lot of Paul's around you, you, you either get purified or angry really fast.

01:51:36

That's right. You talk about starting a war. I mean, start a war. What is, uh, acts four 18, uh, says, um, uh, well, here's, uh, acts for 18 tells them that Peter and John were together.

01:51:51

And when they were told not to proclaim Jesus name, not to speak in his name, he says that, which is right, uh, which is right in God's eyes to listen to you or to him.

01:52:02

You be the judges. As for us, we cannot bespeak about what we have seen and heard.

01:52:09

So you see the humility on one side that you submit in every way, you know, but I mean, you can go back and talk about Jesus in the same way he was.

01:52:20

Yeah, absolutely. Yep. Same. Yeah. He submitted to the true biblical ordinances, those that were right.

01:52:26

And he never one time said, um, let's go get Caesar. No, no.

01:52:32

He says now he, now he, he certainly, he, he certainly took some tongue shots at him.

01:52:38

Yeah. I mean, there's no doubt about that. So, so the difference there is, is that, yep.

01:52:44

A lot of people will talk about the humility of Christ and how we're supposed to be, but we're not complete doormats either.

01:52:52

You know, there's, there's a big difference and sometimes we're almost portrayed as, well, you just need to be a doormat and that's it.

01:52:59

That's not, that's not how we're supposed to be. In fact, you know, Jesus gave us some, some insights onto that as well.

01:53:08

Oh, amen. Amen. Let me pull a couple more up. I mean, we're getting, it's a, let's see, what time is it right now?

01:53:15

We're an hour and 53 in. Can you believe this, Sean? Yeah, I made it. My wife didn't come. My wife didn't come get me to wrangle the kids.

01:53:22

I know. Okay. So I got a couple of things I want to pull out here because we're, we're running out of, out of a whole lot of time.

01:53:29

Um, screen share. Um, I don't know if you guys saw this or not.

01:53:36

C -SAN suspended the second debate moderator for lying about his Twitter account being hacked.

01:53:44

Did you guys see that? Yep. Yep. I got it when it broke. Oh man. I mean, you know, you think about it.

01:53:52

This is another win for Trump. This is another silent win for Trump.

01:53:57

He didn't have to say a thing or do a thing. It's because Steve Scully was the one who lied.

01:54:02

He was the one who was immoral saying that his Twitter was the one who was hacked because he had put the anti -Trump statements on there.

01:54:10

And here he's supposed to be the moderator of the debate. I want to,

01:54:16

I want to pull out some of these October surprises just real fast. And then I want to finish up by asking you,

01:54:21

I want you guys, both of you guys to think about this. I want to ask you the big question. How can

01:54:27

I, as a Christian vote for Donald Trump or, or how can I vote for Joe Biden?

01:54:33

One of the two, because that's the only two we got is, is those two. How can

01:54:38

I justify voting for them if, if there's any biblical way to justify that? I want to go through these

01:54:44

October surprises real quick. You have, you have Trump's taxes. RBG dies. ACB is nominated in our hearings.

01:54:52

She's going to be voted in. Looks like this

01:54:57

Friday, I think it is this. No, next, next week, right? A debate.

01:55:03

That was wonderful to see, wasn't it? Actually, when I watched that at first,

01:55:08

I was really upset. Then I got to looking at it and seeing what he was doing. And he was actually causing him to say stuff that he's been trying to hide.

01:55:18

The corruption of law enforcement branches of the FBI and CIA. And I'm not talking about your local law enforcement.

01:55:25

This has been the October surprises. We have seen so much of the FBI and CIA has been outed and uncovered.

01:55:33

Big tech censorship. I never thought that they would go so far as to McEnany and these guys.

01:55:43

Trump, the Trump campaign manager. You had Ted Cruz.

01:55:49

You've had so many that have been silenced. Then you have Christians all over the place being silenced.

01:55:54

This has been going on the past few months, but it's been getting big time.

01:56:02

You have, of course, we just talked about the campaigns. The C -SPAN suspended their debate moderator because he was caught lying.

01:56:13

I'm sorry, but they've got to do better. They've got to get some people in there that will do a better job.

01:56:20

That's the debate commission. That needs to go away. I agree. They're kind of like the

01:56:25

SPC. They just need to go away. You have no business being in existence.

01:56:31

You just need to go away. Well, you have government mandated lockdowns, panic. The whole thing about the church has been targeted businesses.

01:56:40

The backbone of our country is our small businesses. And if you can't keep going, surprise, the country is going to fall apart.

01:56:48

You can't spend your way out of a crisis that we've got. No, you're going to run out of other people's money.

01:56:55

Yeah. We talked about the fact that Ted Cruz is demanding judicial oversight.

01:57:02

Surprise, surprise. And then, of course, the big bomb is the emails. The question comes to me, two questions.

01:57:12

One is, how can I trust my government when the swamp has just proven itself to be outright untrustworthy?

01:57:23

And, of course, the question I want to close with, leave you guys with is, if you think that we should vote for President Donald Trump or for Joe Biden, how is it from a biblical

01:57:35

Christian standpoint, can we do that? It's easy, real quick points. Number one, who's going to keep us safer?

01:57:42

Who's going to protect our babies in the womb? That's the two big ones.

01:57:48

Supreme Court is also one. And who's going to take on the big tech giants to not suppress us moving forward?

01:57:55

Those are easy. And if you can't figure out who I'm going to say from that, then

01:58:01

I feel sorry for you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was going to say,

01:58:06

I don't look for my president as for a moral compass.

01:58:13

I look for a president who is able to do what he's supposed to do, which is swear and to uphold again, to protect the

01:58:23

Constitution of our United States. That's what he's supposed to do.

01:58:29

Now, when you compare the two between Trump and Biden, who's going to do that? It's too easy.

01:58:37

It's going to be Trump. It's going to be Trump who's going to protect and uphold the

01:58:43

Constitution. That's all there is to it. When you look at the Democrat side of it, I mean, they're going to suppress.

01:58:50

They're going to take away our freedoms. You can't deny it.

01:58:58

You cannot deny it. I mean, you look at how they are and they're just going to completely control us.

01:59:06

They've told us that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I live in Washington state and right now our governor,

01:59:13

Inslee, is insane. And he still has us on lockdown.

01:59:20

He still won't open up all the restaurants. He still has a mask mandate where we all have to wear masks.

01:59:30

It is incredibly stupid what we're going through right now. And he's a

01:59:35

Democrat. And guess what? Biden said that he is considering Jay Inslee, our governor, as the attorney general for the

01:59:50

US. And Andrew Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo, yeah.

01:59:56

He was looking for him. Okay, maybe I got confused with which one.

02:00:02

Okay, okay, it was just Cuomo. Okay, my wife just said, it's like, oh, yeah, it's Cuomo. So that's insane.

02:00:09

That's okay. That's just as dumb. Yeah, yeah. That is just insane. So, yeah, it's crazy.

02:00:15

Just crazy. So let's leave it at this. As far as I have studied and whatnot,

02:00:26

I want to encourage everyone, if you have a conscience, vote your conscience.

02:00:32

And is your conscience biblically informed, then vote your biblically informed conscience. I personally, here's how

02:00:41

I'm going to weigh this issue out on who I'm going to vote for. Andrew and Anthony said it last week, and I'm going to reiterate this, because I agree with my brothers wholeheartedly.

02:00:51

I'm going to vote for the person that's going to help Christianity stand on its two feet, on its own, and not suppress

02:00:58

Christianity. I'm going to vote for the one that is going to give me access to my constitutional freedoms and allow me to preach the gospel and proclaim its truth the most.

02:01:09

That is the one that I believe that is going to be the one that I'm going to vote for, that I want to encourage everyone to vote for.

02:01:20

I'm going to vote tomorrow. I hope that you guys get out and vote, and that we see a record number of people coming out and voting.

02:01:33

Next week, I think we're going to talk about the

02:01:38

Freemasons with Dr. Sean Wall. We may jump to a different subject.

02:01:44

I don't know. Just whatever is most important, whatever looks best. Whatever happens. Whatever happens.

02:01:49

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