March 8, 2023 Show with Ed Moore on “Christ Our Mediator: Our Prophet, Priest, & King”

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Keep in mind that the pastor's luncheon is only being offered to men in ministry leadership, but the conference, the three-day Bible conference, is open to all men, women, and children. Now I am so thrilled to have back on the program, after a very long absence, as I said, he's one of my dearest and oldest friends, Ed Moore.

He is not only a conference speaker and a church planter, he's the pastor of North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside, Queens, New York. And I started a friendship with him, by God's grace, in the early 1990s, not long after he became the pastor of North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside, Queens, New York.

I can still remember vividly having a conversation with our mutual friend, Gary Scott, when he was still pastoring in Columbia, South Carolina, at Three Rivers Church, and I was quite impressed discussing with him the possibility of a Sovereign Grace radio program and his participation in it.

And he said, oh, you've got to speak to my former associate pastor, Ed Moore. He just took over a church in Bayside, Queens, New York, and that's how it all began. And today we have Ed back on, as I said, after a long absence from the show, or at least too long for my taste.

We are going to be discussing probably the most crucial theme within Christendom, Christ our mediator, our prophet, priest, and king. It's also an issue that separates truly biblical Christianity from Rome, Eastern Orthodoxy, and all the cults.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Pastor.

Ed Moore. Chris, thank you for having me on the show today. I can remember the exact date when first we spoke. It was December 31st, 1992, so I had been at North Shore Baptist Church less than six months at the time.

And I was actually thinking about that very day in preparation for this show. As you know, Jesus Christ, prophet, priest, and king, as a clergyman, people in society, they will really confuse, you know, what title are you supposed to have?

That very day, the day I spoke to you on the phone, later that night I went into Times Square. There were some visitors who were coming into New York, and I said, well, I was new to the area, I was green.

I said, listen, I'm going to take you to see the ball drop. Well, I was so naive, I didn't know that after it was full, they would close it up. And we tried and tried and tried to get in to see the ball drop, but every street was blocked off.

And I went up to a police officer with my freshly printed cards that said, North Shore Baptist Church, Ed Moore, pastor. And I handed the policeman the card, and I said, sir, would you please, I have some friends visiting from town, and would it hurt to have three more bodies in, you know, in Times Square?

And he motioned ahead to the cop that was in front of him, and he said, let him through, he's a priest. And I thought, okay. And I didn't, I didn't correct his ecclesiology at the time, because I wanted to see the wanted to see the ball drop.

But that very day in New York City, I was referred to as a priest. But I remember that day.

Yes, and I remember you being so gracious and hospitable to invite my precious late wife, Julie, and I over your home for dinner. Not long after our first phone conversation, I can still remember that we had Maurice's mustard-based barbecue sauce on our sandwiches.

And just, I knew that that friendship was going to be a long-lasting one. And by the way, I'm not exaggerating at all. I'm not using hyperbole when I say that Ed Moore is the most hilarious and funny man I have ever met in my entire life.

And I'm not saying that he does a stand-up comedy routine behind the pulpit. He's as serious as a heart attack when he's preaching. But he is an extremely funny individual.

And yes, that high praise coming from you. I mean, right back at you, Chris.

But I have never laughed harder or longer than during conversations with you. And a lot of hilarious memories. And I look forward to hopefully having more of those memories made in the future. Well, now, tell our listeners about North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside, Queens.

So the church was founded in 1933. They had one pastor from 1937, and he pastored the church until 1992. He actually died in 1977, but he continued to pastor. He was a no, I'm serious. When I got to the church, we would try to do things that the members would tell me, well, we can't do that because the former pastor said we have to do it this way.

But he was a great man of God, really laid a solid foundation at the church. The man would preach four times a week, Sunday school, Sunday morning, Sunday evening and Wednesday night. And the members said you could tell no difference in the quality of any of the sermons.

They were all just superb. And so from 1939 through 1976, he really laid a strong foundation of the word. So when I arrived in 1992, the people really are hungry for the word. They love they love the Lord.

The neighborhood has changed a lot since then. And since the neighborhood has changed, the church has changed. And so our demographics would reflect what this area of Queens looks like at this time. So we have people from all over the world.

Thankfully, God has given us a very small building. And so our option to grow really wasn't in front of us. So what we decided to do about 22 years ago was to plant churches. And we've been able to I can tell you everything you need to know about how not to plant a church as we've made endless mistakes.

But thankfully, we have planted a few churches that have lived. And we're also really trying to revitalize churches, churches that have empty pulpits in the area. We try to raise up a man and get him over there that that will give him the word of God.

We are a Baptist church. We are Calvinistic. We are joyful in our worship and and we love each other. And it's a it's a very loving church. So I'm very thankful to have been here for the last 30 years.

And I was personally thrilled to hear. I think it was somewhere around 1997 when you stopped using stoning as a form of church discipline. So that was. That was, I think, a healthy improvement.

But if anybody, folks, folks, folks said we had gone emergent at the time. But you know what? I was I was the time was there a change. And so I was willing to I was willing to move on.

If anybody wants to find out more information about North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside Queens, go to N .S. for North Shore, dash B .C. for Baptist Church, dot org, N .S. dash B .C. dot org. Now tell us about the Pillar Network Pastors Conference coming up on March 27th, right.

Around the corner. OK, so once again, if you'd like information on that conference, you can go to N .S. dash B .C. dot org and get more details. But the long and short of it is it is a one day pastors conference and pastors and their wives are invited to this.

We're going to meet from nine to three. Our target audience, I mean, anybody is welcome to come. But our target audience is pastors and elders in the New York metro area. But again, anybody is welcome to come.

We're going to have four speakers that day. In addition to myself, Deepak Raju from the Capitol Hill Baptist Church is going to be speaking on the subject of the pastor as a counselor or a shepherd. There's a gentleman from from North Carolina that's coming.

His name is William Montgomery. He's going to talk about the pastor as a sufferer. And he can really speak to this subject, because back in 2019, he had a stroke. He went blind. He lost kidney function and he almost died.

The Lord has in many ways restored his health. But he's going to talk about the the path back to health and how a pastor suffers. And then we have a pastor by the name of Dave Keene, who's coming in from South Carolina, and he's going to speak on the subject of the pastor as a friend and how pastors really need to extend themselves to be friendly and friends to other pastors to help build them up.

So March 27th, North Shore Baptist Church, love to have you guys out for the one day pillar conference.

Great. And I have another website that says nsbc .churchcenter .com. Is that also something that you're promoting because it has all the details on here.

That's just just leave. Yeah. Nowhere. That's where I sell my Amway products.

So just that's fine. Yeah. And then it's forward slash registrations, forward slash events.

Right. Right.

And we will, God willing, repeat that later on in the program. Well, I usually only do this with first time guests. But since it's been so long since you've been on the program and I have so many new listeners who have joined the Iron Trip and Zion Radio listening audience, I would like you to give a summary of your salvation testimony, which is our custom, as I said, typically for first time guests.

But because of the long period of time when you refused, absolutely refused to come on my show unless I paid you. I think it might be a good thing for you to repeat that testimony.

All right. So let me go back. I'm not born until 1961, but I'll start the story back in 1945 on the on the 6th of August, 1945. The United States drops a bomb on Hiroshima. On the 8th day of August that year, my mother and father are married.

And on the 9th day of August, 1945, we drop a bomb on Nagasaki. And my father always said that was when one war ended and another war began. So my parents are married in 1945. Neither one of them know the Lord.

Shortly thereafter, they are saved and they become members, very committed members of a Christian and Missionary Alliance church in my hometown of Du Bois, Pennsylvania. So by the time I arrive in 61, they are very committed to the church.

And I knew nothing in my life except for going to church several times a week, knew the Bible, knew the Bible stories. In fact, I would even say that I knew the gospel and I had a respect for the things of God.

So I don't know if you've had any guests on who have spoken about the revival that has recently happened in Asbury, Kentucky. But I can very well remember the revival of 1970. So it happens in Asbury, Kentucky, and they send out.

College students all over America to testify, and I can remember in our little church, some Asbury students came, gave testimony, probably it was a Monday or Tuesday night. It wasn't a church night. And I remember being in the church, the church being full.

I can remember even as an eight year old, how inarticulate the the students were. And the other thing I remember about that night so vividly, even as an unconverted eight year old, I remember a thick sense of the presence of God and and just how real that was and how how sweet it was, but still not knowing the Lord.

About eight years later, at the age of 16, I didn't receive any new information because I had the gospel my entire life. But about eight years later, at the age of 16, God reveals himself to me and I come to love and to know Christ, understanding, of course, that I am a sinner, understanding the doctrine of substitution, that Christ died for sinners, that he died for me.

And I just developed this this love for Christ that all I wanted was to be around the things of God and the people of God and the church. And God just gave me a brand new heart when I was when I was 16 years old.

And that's when I came to know the Lord. I from childhood knew the Holy Scriptures, which were able to make me wise unto salvation. But the Lord didn't save me until I was 16.

And on top of that, I'd like to hear again the amazing story of how you, as an Armenian Christian, came to embrace what we call the doctrines of sovereign grace, a .k .a. Calvinism, a .k .a. Reformed theology, et cetera.

How did that happen?

Well, let me say this. The church that I grew up in, I would be in a different galaxy now from them theologically. But but but I want to be very careful to say that to this day, I have never known people that were more godly or love the Lord more.

So I do not in any way, although I would disagree, I in no way despise or think little of the people that that raised me. They really loved God.

But oh, great. But remove the humor from today's show.

Fantastic.

OK, OK, but but it wasn't. But it was an Armenian church. And and of course, I had never heard of the doctrines of grace or Calvinism until I was in a literature class at the University of Georgia. And the professor, who was probably a homosexual, definitely was an atheist, said you cannot understand early American literature without understanding the first great awakening.

You can't understand the first great awakening without knowing about Jonathan Edwards. And you can't understand Jonathan Edwards without knowing what Calvinism was. And he writes on the board, T-U-L-I-P, and he spells out what each of those things are and gives a definition of each.

And he says, tomorrow we're going to have a quiz. You're going to come in. You're going to tell me the five points of Calvinism. And I was just compelled by well, I wouldn't say by the Lord, but just within my own spirit to protect my fellow classmates.

And I raised my hand and I said, listen, I am a Christian and I want everybody to know that I don't know who this Edwards clown was, but what is on the board is just absolute garbage that is not in the Bible.

That is not Christianity. This Edwards guy doesn't know what he's talking about. And so that's 1982. Fade in, fade out. I'm having my devotions about two years later, and I'm going through the book of Romans.

I'm going through chapter by chapter, verse by verse. And it was as if someone had taken in the middle of the night, had gotten some glue and some tape, and it had taped some verses in my Bible, just like which were not there before.

And I started to discover, oh, my goodness, this kind of sounds like what that Edwards guy was saying. And the more I studied, the clearer it became that Edwards wasn't the idiot. I was the idiot. And I came to embrace and to believe the doctrines of grace from reading the Bible.

But the foundation was there. The building blocks were laid by that atheist professor, and I'm thankful for that literature class.

Praise God. Forgive me, listeners, if you've heard this story before. But something Ed said evoked a memory that I have told in this program when he was talking about it was as if people were taping new words into the Bible that he hadn't seen.

I had a former gang member on the show. This is going back to when I was conducting the show live at WNYG Radio in Babylon, where you have been in the studio back in the early days of broadcasting the show.

I had a former gang member who became a member of a gang, a Hispanic gang, in prison. And he was sitting next to me in the studio, and I said to him, you know, when I was a younger man, I was a member of a gang, too.

And he goes, really? And he leaned forward with great interest. His eyes were bugged open. I said, yeah, the gang was called Calvin's Crusaders.

Really?

I said, yeah, what we used to do is at night, we would break into Arminian churches and rewrite the words in their hymnals.

So anyway.

I remember being in that studio one day and you were interviewing a friend of mine and he was giving his testimony and he said, you know, I've lived this kind of life and I, you know, I took drugs and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I was a cage fighter and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And a hit man.

And then he said, he said, I even did some work. I even did some work for the Chinese mafia. And as soon as he said that without, without, like, like, it wasn't even a second. He said, I did some work for the Chinese mafia.

And you said, well, well, who hasn't?

And then I forgot that I completely forgot when I made that joke that the Chinese people that owned that station were sitting in the building in their own office. And by the way, when I said hit man, obviously that wasn't true, but he, but he was like a money collector, wasn't he?

For the Chinese mafia.

Yeah.

In fact, I would, I've been thinking about interviewing him again. If you could locate him, I would love to have him on the show. I know people at Toronto Baptist seminary where at least he was at one time.

Well, let me just, let me just say this. He'll have to call you and, um, uh, the, uh, the call will be recorded.

If you know what I'm saying, this is a collect call from, um, well, we have to go to our first commercial break. And when we come back, we're going to enter into our theme, Christ, our mediator, our prophet, priest, and King.

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We are discussing the theme Christ, Our Mediator, Our Prophet, Priest, and King. Pastor Ed, can you tell us exactly what you mean and what the Bible means, more importantly, about Christ's role as mediator?

Well, when we speak about the mediatorial offices of Christ, that phrase right there, we have to define three of those words. We don't have to define the word the or the word of, but we do need to define the word mediatorial offices and Christ.

Uh, so if we do it in reverse order and we start with the word Christ, um, it simply means the anointed. So when you're, when you're reading the Old Testament, uh, they would anoint, uh, prophets. They would anoint priests.

They would anoint kings. They would do it with oil. They would do it publicly, um, 39 times in the Old Testament, someone would be anointed or literally they would be, uh, uh, Messiah, uh, although they are not the Messiah.

Um, and then you move from the Hebrew to the Greek into the New Testament. And it, the word is translated as Christos or Christ. So Christ is the anointed one, um, the Messiah. When we speak about, uh, his offices, uh, don't think about like a chair with a desk, uh, but think about his function.

So when you're saying, well, the president, um, uh, stepped out of office or left office, it doesn't mean he walked out of a building. It means that his function is no longer as the president and, uh, the functions of Christ are three, uh, prophet, priest, and King, the smart guys, the theologians referred to it as the munis triplex.

So you take that word munis, um, it would be something like we would think of our, our government, like a municipal building or where there would be offices. So the munis triplex talks about the three offices of Christ.

By the way, I just saw a Jackie Chan movie not long ago at the munis triplex.

You beat me to it. I was, I was setting the whole thing up for the joke. But, but it is true. Yeah. Yeah. The munis triplex. And then when you think about the mediatorial offices of Christ, mediatorial means like a go between someone to, to bridge the gap.

So even in our, uh, our talking, we will talk about the media. There's the news. How does the news get to you? It comes through the media or, uh, someone that, you know, is supposedly in touch with the dead is said to be a, uh, a medium.