March 8, 2023 Show with Ed Moore on “Christ Our Mediator: Our Prophet, Priest, & King”

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Now I am so thrilled to have back on the program, after a very long absence, as I said, he's

one of my dearest and oldest friends, Ed Moore.

He is not only a conference speaker and a church planter, he's the pastor of North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside,

Queens, New York.

And I started a friendship with him, by God's grace, in the early 1990s,

not long after he became the pastor of North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside, Queens, New York.

I can still remember vividly having a conversation with our mutual friend,

Gary Scott, when he was still pastoring in Columbia, South Carolina, at Three Rivers

Church, and I was quite impressed discussing with him the possibility of

a Sovereign Grace radio program and his participation in it.

And he said, oh, you've got to speak to my former associate pastor, Ed

Moore.

He just took over a church in Bayside, Queens, New York, and that's how it all began.

And today we have Ed back on, as I said, after a long absence from the show, or at least too

long for my taste.

We are going to be discussing probably the most crucial theme within

Christendom, Christ our mediator, our prophet, priest, and king.

It's also an issue that separates truly biblical Christianity from

Rome, Eastern Orthodoxy, and all the cults.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Pastor.

Ed Moore.

Chris, thank you for having me on the show today.

I can remember the exact date when first we spoke.

It was December 31st, 1992, so I had been at North Shore Baptist Church

less than six months at the time.

And I was actually thinking about that very day in preparation for this

show.

As you know, Jesus Christ, prophet, priest, and king, as

a clergyman, people in society, they will really confuse,

you know, what title are you supposed to have?

That very day, the day I spoke to you on the phone, later that night I went into Times Square.

There were some visitors who were coming into New York, and I said, well, I was new to the area, I

was green.

I said, listen, I'm going to take you to see the ball drop.

Well, I was so naive, I didn't know that after it was full, they would close it up.

And we tried and tried and tried to get in to see the ball drop, but every street was blocked off.

And I went up to a police officer with my freshly printed cards that said, North Shore

Baptist Church, Ed Moore, pastor.

And I handed the policeman the card, and I said, sir, would you please, I have some friends visiting from town, and

would it hurt to have three more bodies in, you know, in Times Square?

And he motioned ahead to the cop that was in front of him, and he said, let him through, he's a priest.

And I thought, okay.

And I didn't, I didn't correct his ecclesiology at the time, because I wanted to see the wanted to see the ball drop.

But that very day in New York City, I was referred to as a priest.

But I remember that day.

Yes, and I remember you being so gracious and hospitable to

invite my precious late wife, Julie, and I over your home for dinner.

Not long after our first phone conversation, I can still remember that we had Maurice's mustard

-based barbecue sauce on our sandwiches.

And just, I knew that that friendship was going to be a long -lasting one.

And by the way, I'm not exaggerating at all.

I'm not using hyperbole when I say that Ed Moore is the most hilarious and funny man

I have ever met in my entire life.

And I'm not saying that he does a stand -up comedy routine behind the pulpit.

He's as serious as a heart attack when he's preaching.

But he is an extremely funny individual.

And yes, that high praise coming from you.

I mean, right back at you, Chris.

But I have never laughed harder or longer than during conversations with you.

And a lot of hilarious memories.

And I look forward to hopefully having more of those memories made in the future.

Well, now, tell our listeners about North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside, Queens.

So the church was founded in 1933.

They had one pastor from 1937, and he pastored the church

until 1992.

He actually died in 1977, but he continued to pastor.

He was a no, I'm serious.

When I got to the church, we would try to do things that the members would tell me, well, we can't do that

because the former pastor said we have to do it this way.

But he was a great man of God, really laid a solid foundation

at the church.

The man would preach four times a week, Sunday school, Sunday morning, Sunday evening and

Wednesday night.

And the members said you could tell no difference in the quality of any of the sermons.

They were all just superb.

And so from 1939 through 1976, he really laid a strong

foundation of the word.

So when I arrived in 1992, the people really are hungry for the word.

They love they love the Lord.

The neighborhood has changed a lot since then.

And since the neighborhood has changed, the church has changed.

And so our demographics would reflect what this area of Queens looks like at this time.

So we have people from all over the world.

Thankfully, God has given us a very small building.

And so our option to grow really wasn't

in front of us.

So what we decided to do about 22 years ago was to plant churches.

And we've been able to I can tell you everything you need to know about how not to plant a

church as we've made endless mistakes.

But thankfully, we have planted a few churches that have lived.

And we're also really trying to revitalize churches, churches that have empty pulpits in the area.

We try to raise up a man and get him over there that that will give him the word of God.

We are a Baptist church.

We are Calvinistic.

We are joyful in our worship and and we love each

other.

And it's a it's a very loving church.

So I'm very thankful to have been here for the last 30 years.

And I was personally thrilled to hear.

I think it was somewhere around 1997 when you stopped using stoning as a form of

church discipline.

So that was.

That was, I think, a healthy improvement.

But if anybody, folks, folks, folks said we

had gone emergent at the time.

But you know what?

I was I was the time was there a change.

And so I was willing to I was willing to move on.

If anybody wants to find out more information about North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside Queens, go to N .S. for North Shore,

dash B .C. for Baptist Church, dot org, N .S. dash B .C. dot org.

Now tell us about the Pillar Network Pastors Conference coming up on March 27th,

right.

Around the corner.

OK, so once again, if you'd like information on that conference, you can go to N

.S. dash B .C. dot org and get more details.

But the long and short of it is it is a one day pastors conference and pastors and their wives are invited

to this.

We're going to meet from nine to three.

Our target audience, I mean, anybody is welcome to come.

But our target audience is pastors and elders in the New York metro area.

But again, anybody is welcome to come.

We're going to have four speakers that day.

In addition to myself, Deepak Raju from the Capitol Hill Baptist Church is going to

be speaking on the subject of the pastor as a counselor or a

shepherd.

There's a gentleman from from North Carolina that's coming.

His name is William Montgomery.

He's going to talk about the pastor as a sufferer.

And he can really speak to this subject, because back in 2019, he had a stroke.

He went blind.

He lost kidney function and he almost died.

The Lord has in many ways restored his health.

But he's going to talk about the the path back to health and how a pastor suffers.

And then we have a pastor by the name of Dave Keene, who's coming in from South Carolina, and he's going to

speak on the subject of the pastor as a friend and how pastors really need to

extend themselves to be friendly and friends to other pastors to help build them up.

So March 27th, North Shore Baptist Church, love to have you guys out for the

one day pillar conference.

Great.

And I have another website that says nsbc .churchcenter

.com.

Is that also something that you're promoting because it has all the details on here.

That's just just leave.

Yeah.

Nowhere.

That's where I sell my Amway products.

So just that's fine.

Yeah.

And then it's forward slash registrations, forward slash events.

Right. Right.

And we will, God willing, repeat that later on in the program.

Well, I usually only do this with first time guests.

But since it's been so long since you've been on the program and I have so many new listeners who have

joined the Iron Trip and Zion Radio listening audience, I would like you to give a

summary of your salvation testimony, which is our custom, as I said, typically for

first time guests.

But because of the long period of time when you refused, absolutely refused to come on my show

unless I paid you.

I think it might be a good thing for you to repeat that testimony.

All right.

So let me go back.

I'm not born until 1961, but I'll start the story back in 1945 on the

on the 6th of August, 1945.

The United States drops a bomb on Hiroshima.

On the 8th day of August that year, my mother and father are

married.

And on the 9th day of August, 1945, we drop a bomb on

Nagasaki.

And my father always said that was when one war ended and another war began.

So my parents are married in 1945.

Neither one of them know the Lord.

Shortly thereafter, they are saved and they become members, very committed members of a

Christian and Missionary Alliance church in my hometown of Du Bois, Pennsylvania.

So by the time I arrive in 61, they are very committed to the church.

And I knew nothing in my life except for going to church several times a week,

knew the Bible, knew the Bible stories.

In fact, I would even say that I knew the gospel and I had a respect for the

things of God.

So I don't know if you've had any guests on who have spoken about the revival that has recently happened

in Asbury, Kentucky.

But I can very well remember the revival of 1970.

So it happens in Asbury, Kentucky, and they send out.

College students all over America to testify, and I can remember in our little church, some

Asbury students came, gave testimony, probably it was a Monday or Tuesday night.

It wasn't a church night.

And I remember being in the church, the church being full.

I can remember even as an eight year old, how inarticulate the the

students were.

And the other thing I remember about that night so vividly, even as an unconverted eight year old, I remember

a thick sense of the presence of God and and just how real

that was and how how sweet it was, but still not knowing the Lord.

About eight years later, at the age of 16, I didn't receive any new information because I had

the gospel my entire life.

But about eight years later, at the age of 16, God reveals

himself to me and I come to love and to know Christ,

understanding, of course, that I am a sinner, understanding the doctrine of substitution, that Christ died

for sinners, that he died for me.

And I just developed this this love for Christ that all I wanted

was to be around the things of God and the people of God and the church.

And God just gave me a brand new heart when I was when I was 16 years old.

And that's when I came to know the Lord.

I from childhood knew the Holy Scriptures, which were able to make me wise unto salvation.

But the Lord didn't save me until I was 16.

And on top of that, I'd like to hear again

the amazing story of how you, as an Armenian Christian, came to

embrace what we call the doctrines of sovereign grace, a .k .a. Calvinism, a .k .a.

Reformed theology, et cetera.

How did that happen?

Well, let me say this.

The church that I grew up in, I would be in a different galaxy now from them

theologically.

But but but I want to be very careful to say that to this day, I have never known people that were

more godly or love the Lord more.

So I do not in any way, although I would disagree, I in no way

despise or think little of the people that that raised me.

They really loved God.

But oh, great.

But remove the humor from today's show.

Fantastic.

OK, OK, but but it wasn't.

But it was an Armenian church.

And and of course, I had never heard of the doctrines of grace or Calvinism until

I was in a literature class at the University of Georgia.

And the professor, who was probably a homosexual, definitely was an

atheist, said you cannot understand early American literature without

understanding the first great awakening.

You can't understand the first great awakening without knowing about Jonathan Edwards.

And you can't understand Jonathan Edwards without knowing what Calvinism was.

And he writes on the board, T -U -L -I -P, and he spells out what each of those things

are and gives a definition of each.

And he says, tomorrow we're going to have a quiz.

You're going to come in.

You're going to tell me the five points of Calvinism.

And I was just compelled by well, I wouldn't say by the Lord, but

just within my own spirit to protect my fellow classmates.

And I raised my hand and I said, listen, I am a Christian and I want everybody to

know that I don't know who this Edwards clown was, but what is on the board is just

absolute garbage that is not in the Bible.

That is not Christianity.

This Edwards guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

And so that's 1982.

Fade in, fade out.

I'm having my devotions about two years later, and I'm going through

the book of Romans.

I'm going through chapter by chapter, verse by verse.

And it was as if someone had taken in the middle of the night, had gotten

some glue and some tape, and it had taped some verses in my Bible, just like which were

not there before.

And I started to discover, oh, my goodness, this kind of sounds

like what that Edwards guy was saying.

And the more I studied, the clearer it became that Edwards wasn't the idiot.

I was the idiot.

And I came to embrace and to believe the doctrines of grace

from reading the Bible.

But the foundation was there.

The building blocks were laid by that atheist professor, and I'm

thankful for that literature class.

Praise God.

Forgive me, listeners, if you've heard this story before.

But something Ed said evoked a memory that I have told in this program

when he was talking about it was as if people were taping new words into the

Bible that he hadn't seen.

I had a former gang member on the show.

This is going back to when I was conducting the show live at WNYG Radio in Babylon, where

you have been in the studio back in the early days of broadcasting the show.

I had a former gang member who became a member of a gang, a Hispanic gang, in prison.

And he was sitting next to me in the studio, and I said to him, you know, when I was a younger man, I

was a member of a gang, too.

And he goes, really?

And he leaned forward with great interest.

His eyes were bugged open.

I said, yeah, the gang was called Calvin's Crusaders.

Really?

I said, yeah, what we used to do is at night, we would break into Arminian churches and

rewrite the words in their hymnals.

So anyway.

I remember being in that studio one day and you were interviewing a friend of mine and he was giving his

testimony and he said, you know, I've lived this kind of life and I, you know, I took drugs and blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah.

And I was a cage fighter and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And a hit man.

And then he said, he said, I even did some work.

I even did some work for the Chinese mafia.

And as soon as he said that without, without, like, like, it wasn't even a second.

He said, I did some work for the Chinese mafia.

And you said, well, well, who hasn't?

And then I forgot that I completely forgot when I made that joke that the

Chinese people that owned that station were sitting in the building in their own office.

And by the way, when I said hit man, obviously that wasn't true, but he, but he was like a money collector, wasn't he?

For the Chinese mafia.

Yeah.

In fact, I would, I've been thinking about interviewing him again.

If you could locate him, I would love to have him on the show.

I know people at Toronto Baptist seminary where at least he was at one time.

Well, let me just, let me just say this.

He'll have to call you and, um, uh, the, uh, the call will be

recorded.

If you know what I'm saying,

this is a collect call from, um, well, we have to go to our

first commercial break.

And when we come back, we're going to enter into our theme, Christ, our mediator, our prophet, priest, and King.

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ever heard, and I mean that sincerely.

There is no hyperbole or exaggeration.

He is a conference speaker, church planter, and the pastor of North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside, Queens, New York.

We are discussing the theme Christ, Our Mediator, Our Prophet, Priest, and King.

Pastor Ed, can you tell us exactly what you mean and what the Bible means, more importantly,

about Christ's role as mediator?

Well, when we speak about the mediatorial offices of Christ,

that phrase right there, we have to define three of those words.

We don't have to define the word the or the word of, but we do need to define the

word mediatorial offices and Christ.

Uh, so if we do it in reverse order and we start with the word Christ, um, it

simply means the anointed.

So when you're, when you're reading the Old Testament, uh, they would anoint, uh,

prophets.

They would anoint priests.

They would anoint kings.

They would do it with oil.

They would do it publicly, um, 39 times in the Old Testament, someone would

be anointed or literally they would be, uh, uh, Messiah,

uh, although they are not the Messiah.

Um, and then you move from the Hebrew to the Greek into the New Testament.

And it, the word is translated as Christos or Christ.

So Christ is the anointed one, um, the Messiah.

When we speak about, uh, his offices, uh, don't think about like a chair with a desk,

uh, but think about his function.

So when you're saying, well, the president, um, uh, stepped out of office

or left office, it doesn't mean he walked out of a building.

It means that his function is no longer as the president and, uh, the functions of Christ

are three, uh, prophet, priest, and King, the smart guys, the theologians referred to

it as the munis triplex.

So you take that word munis, um, it would be something like we would think of our, our

government, like a municipal building or where there would be offices.

So the munis triplex talks about the three offices of Christ.

By the way, I just saw a Jackie Chan movie not long ago at the munis triplex.

You beat me to it.

I was, I was setting the whole thing up for the joke.

But, but it is true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The munis triplex.

And then when you think about the mediatorial offices of Christ, mediatorial means like

a go between someone to, to bridge the gap.

So even in our, uh, our talking, we will talk about the media.

There's the news.

How does the news get to you?

It comes through the media or, uh, someone that, you know, is supposedly in touch with

the dead is said to be a, uh, a medium.

Uh, I was reading in the New York times yesterday, uh, about, uh, a guy over in the

Bronx.

He was, it was a charlatan.

He was a, like a palm reader.

He was a medium.

And, uh, uh, it turns out not a very tall fellow.

It was, it was, it was, it was very short.

He was arrested.

He was taken to Rikers Island and he escaped.

Um, and they say now in the New York times that he is a small medium at large.

So media, media Torial, meaning the go between

offices, meaning function Christ, meaning, uh, his, um,

his, uh, him being the Messiah, the anointed one.

And, uh, anointed one, uh, is somewhat

vague and in specific, there are even, um, Orthodox Jews,

uh, who will denounce or reject the deity of Christ

or Jesus Christ, uh, because of that very thing that you said, uh, that

even our new Testament, isn't making a claim, uh, that we think it is according to

these folks who are not Christian.

And they will say, he's the anointed one.

You know, there, there've been many other anointed ones in the Bible as well.

So how do you distinguish, uh, Jesus from other anointed ones?

Well, they're absolutely right there.

So for example, in first Kings chapter 19, Elijah is told to go

into anoint Eli's shop, uh, first Kings 1916, uh,

to be the next King.

Um, I'm sorry to be the next prophet.

And then he's supposed to, um, uh, to anoint Jehu as the next King.

Uh, and then the same thing with, uh, the priest in Leviticus 8, 12, uh,

Moses is told to pour some of the anointing oil on Aaron's head, um,

and to consecrate him as priests.

So that is, that is absolutely right.

There are other prophets, priests, and Kings who are not the Messiah who are anointed.

But when the Lord is speaking with reference to, uh, his Christ, the anointed one,

um, uh, he's putting him in another category.

So for example, in Deuteronomy chapter 18, Moses is told

that, uh, there's going to come a prophet and he's going to be like me.

He's going to be among your brethren and he's the one that you are to listen to.

And so if you want it to stay, even though in Greek and Hebrew, they're not going to use capital M, uh,

uh, for mediatorial, or they're not going to use the capital P for priest or capital K or

whatever.

Uh, when, when you think about the anointed prophet that Moses talks

about in Deuteronomy 18, uh, the 1400 years, they were looking for that

anointed prophet.

Then you get to John the Baptist and they think that they have identified that prophet,

the big prophet, the capital P prophet in John the Baptist.

And they come to him and they say, tell us plainly, you know, are you that prophet?

And he denies and says, no, I am not.

Um, uh, and the same thing with, you know, with, uh, uh, the priest,

Psalm 110 verse one, uh, the, uh, text of scripture, which is quoted most

often from the old Testament into the new Testament is Psalm 110.

You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.

And then when it talks about Christ as our King in, um, second Samuel chapter seven,

when Nathan comes to David and he says, listen, there's going to be a forever King that is going to come

from you.

Yes, there were other Kings and there were other prophets and there were other priests, but what distinguishes

Christ is that he is the forever priest.

He's the forever prophet.

He's the forever King.

Um, and that's something that, um, uh, makes unique, uh,

as our mediatorial, um, prophet,.

Priest, and King now does not this office of mediator

and his titles and roles as prophet, priest, and King.

Does that not all hinge on one very vital doctrinal

reality?

And that is that Christ is fully God and yet fully man as well.

Right?

Absolutely.

And so that's why when you'll read in first Timothy chapter two, verse five, for there is one God

and there is one mediator between God and man, man, the man, Christ

Jesus.

And so he is 100 % human.

Um, he is born of Mary, born of a virgin, a hundred percent human.

He is 100 % divine.

That way he can touch both God and man.

Um, yes, he must be 100 % divine, 100 % human.

And indeed, indeed he is.

Yeah.

So what is Jesus Christ actually doing, uh, as

our mediator now there, there is a pillar truth of

reformational Christianity, uh, that sets us as

Calvinist, sovereign grace, believers, reformed Christians apart in a very

significant sense from, uh, Armenians and all who

deny the doctrine of particular redemption, or if you prefer a definite

atonement or limited atonement, we are very, uh, often heard singing

and shouting from the rooftops that the work of Christ on Calvary

is 100 completed.

It was 100 % successful.

There needs to be added nothing to it.

In fact, if you try to add anything to it as a human, uh, you are just

demolishing the whole gospel itself by robbing, uh, what Christ accomplished

successfully on the cross of its power and glory.

And yet at the same time, we say these things and believe these things and love these things

and passionately proclaim these things.

Christ is not just on a holiday now, right?

I mean, it's not just sitting there in heaven, enjoying, uh, paradise surrounding him and

basking in the glory of, uh, what it is like there in

eternity.

So tell us what exactly is going on.

If I could just back up for just a second, we need a prophet because

we're ignorant.

We need a priest because we are guilty.

Uh, we need a King because we are in bondage and we need someone to free us and to, and to

rule and reign over us graciously.

Um, the work of Christ upon the cross, uh, did indeed finish, uh, redemption.

It is finished.

All of our sins were paid for there.

He does not continue to suffer.

He does not continue to, uh, die for our sins.

He, he has made a one -time payment once and for all, but now in heaven, he

is enthroned as prophet, priest, and King.

Um, listen to him who speaks from heaven, uh, as our prophet, we are,

we, we who are ignorant have heard from him for no one ever spoke like this man.

And God even said of his son, this is my beloved son in whom I am well -pleased hear

him or listen to him.

Uh, and then as he is, he is ascended into heaven and a seated or

the, what they would call the session, uh, to the right hand of the father, he ever lives to make

intercession.

For us.

And so he continues to serve as our priest in that he is praying for us and he is

our King sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.

He reigns as the King of heaven enthroned or seated at the father's right hand.

And so, um, remember what Jesus said, uh, in John chapter five, he said,

I work and my father works, uh, understanding that the work of Christ in a

very real sense is finished in that our sins are paid for in full.

There's nothing further than he needs to do in order to pay for our sins, but serving as the mediator

or the go between, between us and the father, uh, he is continuing to work and he is continuing to,

to speak on our behalf, to pray for us, um, and to, uh, and to bless us from heaven.

Excellent.

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Pastor Ed, before we continue with our discussion, we have an anonymous listener who has a

question.

I am remaining anonymous because some of my closest friends in ministry are Presbyterians

who obviously believe in infant baptism.

Isn't there a conflict with many Pato Baptists with what you are discussing

today?

I'm not saying that they all believe this, but ironically, many Presbyterians

and Pato Baptists who are thoroughly Reformed and agree with us on most doctrinal matters

believe that someone, an infant who is baptized, who is not even of the elect,

is a true member of the covenant and yet can fall away and prove that he or she

is not of the elect and a reprobate.

How could this happen with someone who is truly in the covenant if Christ is standing as our

mediator, our prophet, priest, and king?

If you could, Ed.

Yeah, you remember in What About Bob, when

Bill Murray goes into Richard Dreyfuss' office and Richard Dreyfuss

is saying, hey, there's a new book that just came out, and then sort of like

surprisingly looks over in the shelf and sees like a whole row of baby steps that he himself had

written and said, here, try this.

So I'm not one to often say, listen to or

notice what I myself have said.

But if you would go to our church website, ns -bc .org, and then go

to Sermons, and then go to the section on ordinances, the very first

sermon that I preached there is entitled Infant Baptism is Wrong.

Chris, you laugh at everything.

You don't think that's funny.

Actually, I had myself on mute.

Okay.

But I think that it all comes down to a question of continuity versus discontinuity.

In studying it, I did, for many, many years, I would

say that I disagreed with Presbyterians, but I didn't really, and may not still

fully understand their position.

But in studying it, I think it really comes down to a question of continuity

versus discontinuity, the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant.

And the thing I think that seals it for me the most is the statement that is from the greatest to

the least, they shall all know me.

And in order to be counted in the covenant, one must know the Lord.

And so the person who has written in, and I appreciate the question so much, is right.

There's so much that we agree with Presbyterians on, and I consider some of them

to be some of my very best friends, and certainly among the best preachers of the gospel

that have ever lived.

But I think where we're going to have to part ways is on the subject of continuity and discontinuity.

They see a continuity between the old covenant and the new covenant.

I see discontinuity when it comes to who is included in

the new covenant, Hebrews chapter 8, from the greatest to the least, they shall know me, and that

would mean that in order to be in the covenant, one must be regenerate, they must be born again, they must be

saved.

And there are, just as the listener indicated, there are Presbyterians and Paedo

-Baptists who agree with that.

They don't agree with the other colleagues and brethren in the Presbyterian and Paedo

-Baptist churches about who is truly in the covenant.

It may be a minority, but I have even interviewed at least a couple of Presbyterians

who do not believe that a child is automatically truly in the covenant by virtue of his

or her baptism.

And let me repeat, as we have all been saying, I love my Presbyterian brethren.

There is at least one Presbyterian church that advertises on the show.

One of my speakers at the Iron Troupe and Zion Radio pastor's luncheon and the three -day Bible conference is a

Presbyterian, so I do not intend to diss my

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to say before I go to any other listener questions.

Yeah, well, if I could, just another book that I found really helpful is

Infant Baptism and the Covenant of Grace by Paul Jewett.

Infant Baptism and the Covenant of Grace was so helpful to me.

Yeah.

And so going back to our theme today, Christ our mediator, our prophet,

priest, and king, one of the things that I think disturbs both of us

is that, and I am very understanding, fully in understanding,

that they don't mean that they are adopting the same high

role of Christ, who is the only God -man,

but there are brethren among us who call themselves prophets.

There are brethren among us who call themselves priests.

I'm not talking about the priesthood of believers, of course.

I'm talking about, especially within the Anglican communion, the Anglican communion is

a very wide spectrum, all the way from thoroughly Calvinistic churches, where you

could barely distinguish them from Reformed Baptists, all the way over to

apostate leftists.

But among many of those different shades of Anglicanism,

you'll even have theologically sound men calling themselves priests, and it really bothers

me.

But if you could comment, should we be attributing to mere men in

the New Covenant the titles and roles of prophet and priest?

Well, I guess my answer for the prophet one would be

answered by the fact that I am a cessationist, a militant cessationist, although once

again, just as I disagree with Presbyterians, but count them to be

among the most godly brethren that I know, so too, some of, again, my best friends

are charismatics or continuationists.

I myself am a cessationist, so I don't believe that they can be called prophet, because I

don't believe that the office exists anymore, I don't believe that prophecy exists anymore, I

believe that prophecy was a fresh word from God, and I don't believe that anybody's getting that

anymore.

With respect to priests, I mean, it all depends on what they mean by that.

Like you said, in Revelation, it says that we are a kingdom of priests, and there's a sense in which

we do pray for other people, and that is a priestly role, but if

your religion is sacramental, and you believe that there is the

need for human agency, again, I would have to have them explain it to

me, but I, just on the surface, am very uncomfortable with that, especially in light of the

finished work of Christ.

We have a great high priest who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the majesty on

high.

I don't think that there are probably many of your listeners who are tempted to go back into Judaism,

or to go back into the sacrificial system, seeing as how the temple isn't even standing.

Probably most of your listeners, and I don't know this for sure, would not even be tempted to go back to

Roman Catholicism, and that they would be.

I have found that most people who come out of Roman Catholicism not only see it as wrong,

but they actually have a hatred for the fact that they used to have to sit in a booth and

confess their sins to men with the hope of that man in some way being a mediator.

Now what you're talking about, I just would have to know what they're defining the role of

the priest is, so I'm not as familiar with how they see themselves, but it does, on the surface,

rub me the wrong way in light of the fact that we can go directly to God

through Christ, and I don't think that the pastor should view himself as

a priest in the sense of having some sort of a special in with God on behalf of the

people.

Yes, and some of the Anglican friends that I have and some of the Anglican guests that I've

interviewed have tried to explain it away by saying it has just become,

over the years in history, an abbreviation for presbyter, but I'm not buying it.

I've heard far more brilliant men than I who are historians

and who know the original languages of the scriptures, who know that the word

from which priest is translated in the Old and New

Testaments in Hebrew and Greek is not the same as presbyter, the word translated

priest is not the same as presbyter, and it's a completely different concept and idea, so I don't

even know why, especially the theologically sound Anglicans who are Calvinists, I don't know why they

would want to give the false impression that they're somehow affiliated with Rome's understanding by wearing that

title.

Even when you think about the priest or the Aaronic priest, the Levitical priest of the Old

Covenant, what they were doing was 100 symbolic.

It in no way ever took away sin, never at all did it ever

take away sin.

It was almost symbolic.

But when we talk about Christ, think about Hebrews 7, 24 and 25.

He holds his priesthood permanently because he continues forever, that is, he continues as a

priest forever, and consequently he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God

through him.

Since he always lives to make intercession for them, it is an

actual atonement that he made, not in any way

symbolic.

And so even under the Old Covenant, it was just symbolic what the priest did.

I can't see someone now, after the atonement has been made, doing anything that would

resemble the priestly work of Christ.

I think to use that terminology is really out of bounds with what we would see

being used in the book of Acts and in the epistles for those who are servants of Christ, those who

are his ministers.

And we have another anonymous listener.

The anonymous listener says, I am from a Roman Catholic background but am saved by the blood of

Jesus.

Praise be to his name.

And I have a passion to see all Roman Catholics that I know, especially my loved ones in my

family, come to a saving understanding of Christ and his true gospel.

My question is, can a Roman Catholic who believes in the mediation

of Mary and the saints and even the participation of his own good

deeds to further secure his salvation with God

and be added to the work of Christ on the cross and the merits of Mary and the saints, can

that person logically and consistently actually believe that Christ is our

mediator, our prophet, priest, and king?

I think the simple answer is no.

It's a very thorough question, and it's very well worded.

I would—and I've always said this, and I still believe this—I believe that there are

people in the Roman Catholic Church who are converted and who are saved, but

I believe that these are people that are very ignorant of what the church teaches.

So, for example—and I don't think that these people are many in

number.

I think that they are people that are actually trusting in Christ, but

they're not actually aware of what their church teaches.

So, for example, I've spoken to people, a Roman Catholic in the past, and I said, Do you

understand that what you must believe is that Mary

herself was born sinless?

You must believe in her bodily assumption.

You have to believe in her perpetual virginity.

You have to believe that she is the queen of heaven, and unless you believe all four of those things, you

yourself are damned.

Do you understand that you have to believe that?

And they'll say, No, I don't believe those things at all.

Well, do you understand that your church—and I'm not just talking about, like, your church down the block, but

the actual dogma of the Roman Catholic Church says that you have to believe those four things, and they would say,

No, I wasn't aware of that at all.

So, I think that there are ignorant Catholics—let

me—I will reword that.

There are Catholics who are not aware of what their church actually teaches, but who

are indeed trusting in Christ, who are saved, but the way that

that person worded that question is a person who was looking to Mary, a person that is looking to

their own good works.

Can they be also looking to Christ as their mediator?

And I think that the answer is no, absolutely not.

They can't be, because the Christ that they're describing doesn't even exist if those other things

do.

Yeah, one of the things that makes the whole conversation extremely problematic, especially in

the 21st century, but even in reality ever since Vatican II, which

ended when I was a young child, that many

Catholics will say to you that very thing that you said, I don't believe that that's necessary for me to go to heaven.

That's because their priests are telling them that, and that's because the pope, Francis, is telling them that,

because they are not speaking according to the official dogma laid down at the

Council of Trent, and they don't understand that when a priest or a pope

states things that are not Catholic dogma, that really, at the end of

the road, that priest or pope's personal opinions, and there is a difference

between an opinion or even a discipline and.

A dogma.

A dogma of the Church of Rome can never change.

So those anathemas, those curses against Protestants at the Council of Trent can

never, according to the official teaching of the Church of Rome, they can never change, no matter what a

priest or a pope says in our day and age.

And also to back up what you said about Catholics, there are Catholics who are regenerate, but they're Catholic in

name only, or Roman Catholic in name only.

My mother was a Roman Catholic all of her life, always a

sweet, godly, selfless, humble, giving,

caring woman.

I can't even think of anybody as far as character or behavior who is her

match, and I'm being sincere about that.

But she was an idolater for most of her life.

She was a believer in and a practitioner of

idolatrous and heretical teachings and actions.

And while she was on her deathbed, praise be to God, the Lord saved her.

And while she was in the hospital, dying of pancreatic cancer, I said to her, Mom, do you think

you're going to heaven when you die?

She said, yes.

I said, why?

She said, because Jesus paid for my sins on the cross.

And I said, well, you know, you've been a wonderful mother, an extraordinary human being, your life is filled

with good deeds, and you've been a very religious woman, and your children

cannot even think of anything about you over which to complain.

Is any of that helping you get to heaven?

She said, no.

And I said, well, what makes you say that?

She said, well, if I believe that, that would be like that story in the Bible where a rabbi is praying in the temple, and he's

bragging about all the things he did do and did not.

Do.

And there's a tax collector in the temple at the same time, bowing his head and beating his breast

and saying, Lord, be merciful to me, a sinner.

And Jesus said that the tax collector was the one that went home justified.

Chris, I'm the tax collector.

I almost fell off my chair.

And she renounced prayer to Mary and the saints in the last weeks of her life, prayed only to Christ.

But if you were to ask her, even with her last breath, are you a Catholic, she likely would have said

yes.

But she had a completely different understanding in her mind about what that meant at that point in her life.

Right.

And I would say, Chris, there are many things about my theology and my doctrine which

are wrong.

I don't know what they are.

If I knew what they were, I would change them immediately.

But I'm pretty confident if the Lord doesn't come back in the next

200 years, somebody is going to get a hold of one of my sermons, and they're going to say,

can you believe that the first part of the 21st century people used to believe X?

And they'll quote something that I have said.

And I'm using myself generically.

I think that there are probably a lot of mistakes in our theology.

And I'm not equating our mistakes with the fatal flaw of not trusting in having faith

in Christ alone.

But what I'm saying is, I think that there are some Catholic people that have really

horrible theology, but like your mother, who are

trusting in Christ.

So if we're waiting for perfect theology to give us assurance of

salvation, they're going to be waiting a long time.

And likewise, Chris, I'm really sad to say, I think that there's some people in some Reformed Baptist

churches who have better theology than you and me, who don't know the Lord,

who are not trusting in Christ.

They're trusting in their good works, or they're just not—they're not regenerated.

So—.

In fact, I have a list of them right now, and I will read them one by one.

I'm kidding.

The Lord knows those that are His.

The Lord knows those that are His.

Yes, and we both know about some very well -known—at least they

were well -known amongst Reformed Christians—we know of some very prominent pastors and

leaders and even authors who completely abandoned the faith.

So, and as if our Arminian brethren and friends

immediately chime in, see, you can lose your salvation.

No, those that left us were never truly one of us.

Right.

They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they'd been with us, they would have continued.

But they went out, 1 John 19, they went out that it might be made manifest or evident that they were

not with us, not with us from the beginning.

I never knew you.

I never knew you.

Amen.

Well, we have one more break, and it's going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks, and if you would like to

get in line, there are just a few people waiting to have their questions asked and answered, but if you want to get in line and

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and we have Christopher in Western Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who says, could it be

accurately said that although the persons of the Trinity, Father,

Son and Holy Spirit are co -equal and co -eternal, it is yet Jesus

Christ alone who is our mediator, prophet, priest and king?

Yes, 100%.

Yes, God the Father is not a man.

That's right.

The Holy Spirit did not die for our sins.

The Holy Spirit is not enthroned as the mediatorial king of heaven.

They are co -equal in glory and in power.

They're all to be worshipped.

There's one God existing in three persons but it is Christ who is our mediator.

Yeah, great question and the person there is 100 % correct.

Thank you so much, Christopher.

And if you could, I want you to have several minutes of uninterrupted time before we

run out of time before you know it.

Uninterrupted time to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today regarding this

awesome, profound, glorious and essential doctrine of Christ our mediator,

our prophet, priest and king.

Thank you.

If I could, I would like to give a word from Robert Murray McShane and one

from Louis Burkoff concerning Christ as our priest.

Robert Murray McShane who didn't even make his 30th birthday lived from 1813 to 1843

in Scotland and McShane says this, if I could hear Christ

praying for me in the next room I would not fear a million enemies yet distance

makes no difference.

He is praying for me.

Praise God.

Think about it.

Christ is praying for us.

If we were to hear him that would certainly embolden us but the distance does not

make a difference.

He is praying for us as our great high priest.

We should be thinking about that.

That should really give us strength in our faith and then Louis Burkoff who was a

professor at Calvin Theological Seminary who died in 1957.

Everybody was reading Burkoff before they were reading Wayne Grudem.

He said this, it is a consoling thought that Christ is praying for us even when we

are negligent in our prayer life that he is presenting to the father

those spiritual needs which were not present in our mind and which we often neglect to include

in our prayers.

And that is just so beautiful that sometimes we forget to pray for ourselves or sometimes we are

so arrogant that we do not pray for ourselves.

And sometimes when we do pray what we are praying for is the wrong thing.

But Chris, Jesus Christ never forgets to pray for us and he is always praying for us

and that which he is praying is always correct.

And the father hears his voice.

Thank God for our great high priest Jesus Christ.

Hallelujah.

By the way, the listeners question when he was asking should it be or is it right

theology to say that only Jesus Christ is our mediator, prophet, priest and

king.

It reminded me of the Mercy Me

movie or the movie about the lead singer of Mercy Me.

I think it was called I Can Only Imagine or something like that.

I enjoyed the movie very much but there was one instance of heresy in the movie

and I'm not saying that the lead singer of Mercy Me said this or believes this.

It could have been sloppily handling of the script by those involved in the

making of the movie.

But he said when he was crying out to God, Father, thank you for dying

for my sins.

So that's modalism.

So Chris, tomorrow you have Gary George on.

Yes.

And he's going to talk about the Jesus revolution.

Yes.

And so the movie and he's going, this is, Gary is authentic.

Like he was saved in that movement.

Yes.

You know, in studying this Jesus revolution in Chuck Smith

and Greg Laurie and Lonnie Frisbee, I didn't, I like, I was

not aware of this.

I don't know if you knew this, but Lonnie Frisbee was actually married to Burt Reynolds.

That's Lonnie Anderson.

I'm sorry.

That's Lonnie Anderson.

Yes.

And I remember Ed Moore calling into my show once when I had an expert on Pilgrim's Progress

on the program.

And Ed asked the guest, well, you're talking a lot about John Bunyan, but I

want to hear more about the blue ox.

And then Chris, remember when you had a guest on and I called and I recommended the book, The

Shack.

And I said, you know, it's not that bad of a book, you know, but I was confused when I read it because it was

talking about, you know, the B -52s and new wave music.

And I realized I was actually reading a book.

Called The Love Shack.

Yes, I remember it well.

And a quick plug for one of my favorite restaurants on the planet Earth, the barbecue place in

Shermandale, Pennsylvania, Grandpa's Love Shack.

Excellent, excellent restaurant.

Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have your contact information.

If you want more details about North Shore Baptist Church and Bayside Queens, New York, go to ns -bc

.org, ns -bc .org.

Thank you so much, Ed Moore.

I look forward to having you back on the program.

Perhaps we could talk about church planting as you suggested earlier.

I want to thank everybody who listened and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

savior than you are a sinner.

Amen.