June 1, 2018 Show with Jeffrey Waddington on “The Unified Operations of the Human Soul: Jonathan Edwards’ Theological Anthropology & Apologetic”

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Wishing you all a happy Friday on this first day of June 2018. And boy, I Am so grateful to God that I went to the banner of truth US ministers conference. Which just came to a conclusion yesterday. It started on Tuesday the 29th of May and Concluded on the 31st of May yesterday, and I am just totally amazed that The that.

Sorry, I was just interrupted by a text from the studio in Dublin, California. That's airing the show. They just wanted to let me know everything's working fine. Okay. But I I I was amazed at how many people as compared to last year when I was at the banner of truth.

How many people came up to me? Very excitedly and Enthusiastically raving about how much they love iron sharpens iron radio people that I had never met or heard from before. People who have never emailed in questions for the guests with the exception of a few.

Just totally blew me away. It really made my year. Knowing how many people are out there, especially in the audiences of a ministry. Like banner of truth, or should I say how would you phrase it? I guess you could say audiences since they have conferences, but also their readership obviously since they have not only since they are most well known for publishing the finest and reformed literature, but also they do have a magazine as well, but I Was just totally blown away.

I can't even think of words to adequately describe how the Lord blessed me.

That.

Happens a lot at other reformed conferences, but last year for some reason when I went to the banner of truth There was only a tiny handful of people that greeted me. So they listened to the program this time.

There were every day about 15 or more people that came up to me to rave about the show and I just was blown away and one person in Particular that really blessed me. I Was sitting down in the cafeteria to have lunch.

There was already seated there an Indian gentleman who I'd never before met and He looked at my name tag looked up at me and said I listened to iron sharpens iron radio in India. I am a reformed Baptist pastor.

Samuel Boppuri is my name. I've sent you questions and now I hope that pastor Samuel Boppuri Who is the pastor of the Reformed Baptist Church of Vinu Kanda in India and I hope I didn't mispronounce that but I hope that we have begun a friendship that will last a very long time.

I hope he's listening today actually to iron sharpens iron, but Enough of that for now anyway. Oh one more thing about that I'm so delighted that Not only did the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary who I have had the privilege of interviewing once before on iron sharpens iron radio.

Not only did he? Tell me that he would be delighted to be interviewed once again on iron sharpens iron radio and he assured me that he would be very enthusiastic to accept another invitation and Of course, I am speaking about the one and only dr. Al Mohler.

But also Alistair Begg who I have not interviewed in years. I interviewed him once in the old show and he also reassured me that he would love to come on the show. So pray that those two interviews develop very quickly before they both forget they ever saw me.

But anyway now To move on to the subject at hand today. I am so delighted To have as my guest again on iron sharpens iron radio somebody who has quickly grown to be a very dear friend of mine somebody who actually Texts me a good morning message every single day seven days a week, and I'm not even exaggerating Jeffrey C. Waddington who is stated supply of Knox Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Lansdowne, Pennsylvania.

He's also the secretary of the board of the Reformed Forum. He's a panelist at Christ the center and east of Eden. And he is the articles editor for the confessional Presbyterian Journal. And today we are going to be addressing a book that he has written and also an encyclopedia that he has contributed to.

We are going to be addressing during the first hour the unified operations of the human soul Jonathan Edwards Theological anthropology and apologetic and then in the second hour we'll be discussing the Jonathan Edwards Encyclopedia and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Jeffrey C. Waddington.

Oh.

Brother, it's my privilege to be here, and I'm glad you brought up the banner because I was going to ask you How that had gone. I have at least I had at least two friends who were there. So I was getting some Feedback and I did watch a little bit of the live streaming of that event.

Caught David strain on the one the one slot in which he was speaking. Loved that Scottish accent. Yes.

Had the pleasure of meeting him and getting my photo taken with him and I saw that I hope to have him back.

Yes, he's a you know, you know, you probably perhaps you've heard Carl Truman say that He could prepare 10 less for his sermons on Sunday simply because he had a British in English accent. Because we loved we loved the accent and that and that is really true, but It's a it's I'm glad that the the conference went well, and I was going to say Chris just as an addendum to your comment about the brother from India.

Is that this? Your friendship that you Now are aware of that. This gentleman brother was listening to to iron sharpens iron. That's going to go on into eternity it's not just a long time here, but you'll be able to Cast your crown at the feet of our Lord in the new heavens in the new earth.

So that's a beautiful thing that get it started here and now.

Amen.

The the book that we're going to talk about the unified operations of the human soul Which is of course a very sleek short title. It basically was my dissertation PhD dissertation at Westminster Theological Seminary Which I submitted and graduated from that program in 2013 and the book was published in 2015 and Here we are in 2018.

So that's five and three years back. So hopefully I will Remember what some of what I wrote in the book? You laugh but you know as I'm getting on in in years I.

Find myself more forgetful than I like to be. Yeah, that's very comforting because I think you're younger than me, aren't you? 53 yeah, you are. You're three years younger than me. So thank you for the insult.

But anyway. Before we go on before we go on to the book. Tell our listeners those who have not heard you before on this program. And by the way, I'm amazed to learn that you are somewhat of a celebrity amongst reformed people.

I'm amazed how many people know who you are and are blessed by your work. I think it's especially because of the reformed forum but I It's I would say that at least Three-quarters of the reformed people who I mentioned your name to say.

Oh, yes, Jeff Waddington the reformed forum great. You have Jeff Waddington on your show. Wow, I'm like really taken aback by that.

But.

Before we go on to that since we do have new listeners that seem to be joining us every day. Tell our listeners about Knox Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Lansdowne Pennsylvania.

Knox OPC is an original congregation that came out of the PC USA the mainline Presbyterian Church Around 1936 when the OPC then the original PCA was formed. Many of our list of your listeners no doubt would be familiar with the whole modernist fundamentalist controversy of the 1920s and prior to that.

And the whole situation at old Princeton Seminary and and the the congregation comes out of that. It's a unique congregation within the OPC exclusive psalm singing, etc. So so it is also the congregation that professor John Murray Hit banner of truth.

Professor Murray was was when he was not preaching elsewhere. He he would attend the worship at Knox. He was of course, he was of course Scottish. And so he was a exclusive psalm singer him or nearly so himself.

So this was his his home base when in the Philadelphia area now.

Did he go there because? Knox Orthodox Presbyterian Church unlike most OPC congregations Was already exclusive psalmity and exclusive a cappella or did the church develop that view just to accommodate dr.

No, it would actually it was another pastor who introduced so it wasn't exclusive psalm singing and non instrumentation. At the beginning it became that at some point after Leaving the mainline church in becoming a part of the OPC and.

The congregation has not always been in in Lansdowne, which is near Upper Darby. In fact, it's right on right next to Upper Darby and Yadin if anybody knows the suburbs and the communities around Philadelphia we're right on the blue route.

That's the 476 South going toward the 95. We're not far from the Philadelphia International Airport. So and I've been there almost six years, it'll be six years in August that I've been the stated supply.

Oh, yeah, by the way, your denomination really has to come up with a better term. That is the most ridiculous term. I've ever heard.

See that standard Presbyterian. Sometimes you'll say regular supply and what that means is I'm not periodic. I'm the I do all of the things that a pastor does. Which is not necessarily expected of a stated supply.

But I had told the congregation the session When I when they asked me to come on board that I would want to do all those things.

Even though they weren't required by our Book of Church Order. Well, it's still. I think it's a lousy term and you got to change it anyway. Reminds me of it reminds me of a commercial you might see at 2 o 'clock in the morning.

Stated supply everything from lumber to licorice shaft price.

All right, we're not a hardware store.

Well, I actually when I was originally publicizing your interview I had Mistakenly put pastor there and I said to myself. Oh, I don't want to get any flack from the Presbyterians about this. I better put stated supply.

And Tell us about the reformed forum. Well, the reformed forum has now been around Ten years as of in January. It was our 10-year anniversary. We just had a board of directors summit in Grand Rapids where we Met for five days actually four days.

To discuss the movement going forward in the future, you know vision and so forth. Not vision in the sense of seeing things, but what we wanted under God's guidance do.

And.

We we were we had the privilege I should say of meeting At the Puritan reformed theological seminary where dr. Joel Beeky is the president. Many thanks to Hank Klein who Is the plant operations? Manager there at the seminary had a beautiful room to do recordings.

The reformed forum is basically an internet Christian education ministry. We do podcasts some. Not unlike iron sharpens iron. We do several different kinds of podcasts. We also have written Blog posts, etc.

And we now have a conference where this one Lord willing coming in the fall will be our fourth. Yeah, our fourth annual reformed forum conference and and that is typically held at Our OPC Church in Grays Lake, Illinois just outside of Chicago.

Great and. By the way, dr. Joel Beeky is a friend of mine. I've known him for quite a long time even before Puritan reformed theological seminary existed and in fact, I was one of the first people To get dr. Beeky on the radio when I first met him.

He was still in the Netherlands reformed denomination and they prohibited the use of radio quite a hell quite a hyper Calvinistic bunch of folks there and they viewed using the radio to evangelize and spread the gospel as an Arminian thing, so.

Thankfully he he left and he and like-minded brethren formed their own denomination the heritage reformed Congregation Denomination and it started out being called the Netherlands heritage reform. But they dropped that the Netherlands at least at most of the congregations drop the Netherlands.

I think he might have retained that but anyway, he's a great brethren Christ. I always love to see and hear him preach. I love reading his books and send my regards to him if you happen to.

I will do that. His book assurance of Salvation assurance of fate I'm forgetting that the exact title was published by banner of truth.

Again, that that was a modified the modified version. The original there was Peter Lang publishing.

Yeah an academic press press where you pay a hundred plus dollars exactly. Which by the way is one of the reasons I went with the publisher I did. Because the prices, you know. Folk might think 25 or 30 35 dollars is expensive.

But for an academic title, that's actually pretty cheap.

Yeah, I tell us quickly about Christ the center and east of Eden.

Sure Christ the center is the is the flagship podcast that the Reform Forum does we we fly at a rather high level academically, it's that's on purpose and basically it grew out of table talks that I had with with colleagues of mine Camden Busey and Jim Cassidy.

Who are both OP ministers and now? Ably Amplified by Glenn Clary among others who are regular panelists on the program. I'm not on the program all the time. Scheduling doesn't always allow that. And and it covers a whole host of theological and biblical topics.

So it's but it's that we have other programs, but that's our flagship. Every Friday for the last 10 years. There has been a new episode. We're in the 500s at this point. And you would you would relate to that Chris with the number of views you've been doing.

Iron sharpens iron. East of Eden is is dedicated to the biblical and theological in systematic theology of Jonathan Edwards. Now what's we. We haven't done a new episode for some time simply because of of logistics, but we're praying that the our Schedules will will free up at some point and one of and that's a program that I do with Nick Batzig the Reverend Nick Batzig who's pastor of New Covenant PCA in outside of Savannah, Georgia and The Reverend doctor now Reverend doctor as of a week ago the Reverend doctor David Filson who's also in the PCA.

He's the Pastor of something or other Discipleship or executive pastor at Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, Tennessee. That's a large congregation that also has a Christian school. Do you remember a couple of years ago there was a teacher a Christian school teacher who had severe illness.

And.

The students went to his house stood out in his yard and sang to him. No, I don't remember it actually made the news, huh? National news like NBC ABC CBS to CNN that teacher was the teacher at the school that the that's Operated or has a connection with Christ Presbyterian Church.

But anyways, we all do the The East of Eden and that comes from the name of one of the Edwards sermons. Actually, it wasn't the name. He gave it. It's the name that the editor of the Yale edition works of Edwards volume gave to it.

We are unique in in that we are. We are unique among Edwards. Edwards Ian's in that we are Vantillion's and Voss Ian's and caffeine Ian's so so we've got a. When we come to Edwards, we come to Edwards with a certain perspective that will is unique.

Not that we purposely, you know set out to do that. But it's who we are and you can find those of podcasts also on the Reform Forum website.

Great. We'll be announcing all of that before we go off the air with Pastor Jeff, but last but not least in regard to your resume here. Tell us about the confessional. Presbyterian Journal.

Confessional Presbyterian Journal is. Actually the the type we've that we've published stuff by Articles stuff is not a very precise word material by Reform Baptists Continental Reform folks, so it's it's In fact most most recently Richard Marcellus who is a Reform Baptist to pastor out in California.

Yes, I've had rich on the program. In fact, I just recently just very recently actually have had him.

So he's been published at least once maybe twice in the pages of the confessional Presbyterian Journal. And it's a it's a once-a-year journal ranging and I guess around 275 pages or so. So it's an academic or learned journal.

But it's also got practical concerns in terms of the the life of the of the Christian in the church. And very often you will we have a theme that the. Each issue is built around like we had one issue that was built around John Murray one around BB Warfield.

I think we had one about on Machen one on Calvin when he had the five into the anniversary of Calvin a few years back. And I I guess the one thing That I've added to my resume is I'm an adjunct professor of systematic theology at Westminster Seminary and in Glenside now.

Oh, yeah, I did forget to mention that. That's okay. I mean, it's it's and I got off to an auspicious start by having my course on Edwards canceled. Wow, they did. I didn't have enough students to it was it was announced late.

Normally they give you know several, you know a month or two of time for students to consider what they want courses They want to take so I'm hoping to offer it again. It's really based upon the book that we're talking about.

I taught it At in Taiwan a year ago. For I was over in Taiwan at the China Reform Theological Seminary in Taipei. And for two weeks taught there had a wonderful time by the way. With brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Had an opportunity to preach as well as to teach the course and also to deliver the graduation sermon to the the to the seminary graduating class. Great, so that was exciting. Oh, and that's all by God's grace.

I mean, I would never have guessed year, you know 30 plus years ago that that I would have these opportunities.

Well going back to the confessional Presbyterian that almost not even almost it does sound like a redundancy. It's almost like saying the dunking Baptist. I'm.

I'm.

Guessing that. I'm guessing that the reason that title was chosen for this journal is because there is a view by those involved in the journal that although technically All Presbyterian Denominations are confessional.

I'm assuming the view would be that many are not actually adhering to it.

Yeah, I would. That would be putting it nicely. You're right it does. It is somewhat very redundant. But of course, you know that that the mainline Presbyterian Church Departed from there could the confessional standard of the Westminster confession and larger and shorter catechism many many years ago.

And made it official.

1967.

When they I guess turned the confession into a the equivalent of a painting on the wall in a museum I Think that's I read that somewhere that that's how they. What they did with all the confessions and you know, they going back to the Apostles Creed.

They basically turned him into museum pieces. Yeah. Yeah, because obviously I.

I mean there are there is a remnant of faithful men in the PC USA even in the pastorate, but you could hardly say that the denomination at large is at all Faithful to the confession. In fact, you know, you even have apostasy in that denomination as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, I mean remember I'm OPC. So I'm going to take a hard line on the PC USA.

But.

Anyways, the jerk the journal it may be another way of saying is that. And we mean it, you know confessional. We mean it. Well, we try to take those things seriously, yes theological and biblical commitments.

Well moving on to the book the unified operations of the human soul Jonathan Edwards theological Anthropology and apologetic. Obviously you were joking earlier when you talked about the brevity of the title.

But.

This is your doctoral dissertation in print and it makes sense when you see this theme or this title because aren't doctoral dissertations purposefully supposed to be Written on something that has not been done before or at least.

Yeah in in the in the abstract or in the ideal sense. It's it's supposed to be original research. But you know with Jonathan Edwards It's gets pretty hard to if I say something that hasn't been said by someone somewhere at some point in the past there are as of 2005 There were 5 ,000 I think it was 5 ,000 pieces of secondary literature on Edwards in other words people writing about Edwards or some aspect of his theology and.

That's now realized. That's now 13 years ago. So that's that that figure has probably multiplied astronaut geometrically if not astronomically.

By the way a wise guy in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Who's a regular listener to our show. Ted says. Did you know that Jay Gresham Machen once played canasta at Jeff's Church?

Uh-huh.

Well, I know. There you know, there are stories of mate Machen used to host students to play checkers in his Room, I believe he did it did it all at Princeton. But also carried on the tradition when when the established Westminster and remember when Machen was alive.

Westminster was downtown not far from 10th Presbyterian Church on 17th and Spruce in.

Philadelphia the Center City as we like to call it remember that church. Well, because that's where I Went for a number of years to the Philadelphia Conference on Reforth. I remember PCR T when when the late dr. James Montgomery Boyce was still there and those are precious Memories of cutting my teeth on the reform faith at those conferences.

You can you can actually find a beautiful marble plaque in the in the sanctuary dedicated to him. Back when Westminster was still located in that neck of the woods in Center City it used to be the nickname for Westminster was a Barnhouse theological seminary because that's when in the heyday of Donald Gray Barnhouse being the pastor at 10th.

And of course he was well known as not only as a world-renowned preacher, but also as a radio preacher in his own, right back in the 20s and 30s and 40s.

Amen. Well, we are gonna go to our first break right now. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question for Jeffrey C Waddington, by the way, I just don't want to get an update on how to Properly introduce you.

Are you a doctor yet? I've been a doctor since 2013. I've been wrongly or insufficiently inadequately introducing you ever since I met you then that's okay, brother. It's it's Not not a problem. Okay.

Well, dr. Waddington if you have a Question for him. He will be returning after the break. By the way, dr. Waddington. I have to tell you that Since you are on Skype and that's one of the things the only thing that's disappointing me about this interview Is that you normally come into the studio here?

And we have a nice time of fellowship typically even over a meal before and after the show so I am a bit saddened by the lack of your presence here, but Just to let you know that if you are going to be speaking with anyone if you're going to be flushing a toilet or anything Like that during the station break put your microphone on mute because it will be heard Over the airwaves.

I have no way for some reason unless somebody can show me in the studio equipment. How to do that how to mute a Skype guest? I don't. I don't see any way.

I I do know how to do that at my end. So don't have no fears. All right, great.

But if anybody would like to join us with a question of your own for dr Waddington our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com please give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and Your country of residence.

If you live outside of the good old USA, I don't go away. We'll be right back after these messages with dr Jeffrey C Waddington and our discussion on the unified operations of the human soul. Jonathan Edwards theological anthropology and apologetic.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arns in of iron sharpens iron radio if you just tuned us in. My guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go is Jeffrey C. Waddington, dr Jeffrey C Waddington we are discussing his book the unified operations of the human soul Jonathan Edwards theological anthropology and apologetic and then we'll be moving on to Announcing the Jonathan Edwards encyclopedia to which our guest Contributed if you'd like to join us on the air with questions of your own.

Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris a r n z n at gmail .com.

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Please give us your first name your city and state and your country residence if you live Outside of the USA and by the way the voice you just heard pastor Bill Shishko formerly the pastor of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Franklin Square, New York now retired and operating a Reformation Metro, New York a power church organization under the headship of the Orthodox Presbyterian denomination and Host of a visit to the pastor study, which I hope you all are listening to or at least will begin to this Saturday tomorrow from 12 noon Eastern Time to 1 p .m. Eastern Time on Wli e 540 a .m. Dot com or in the New York tri-state area parts of Pennsylvania Massachusetts and Rhode Island on 540 at the a .m. Or on the a .m. Dial, but Pastor Bill Shishko is a mutual friend of my guest today. Dr. Jeffrey C Waddington and myself and he is quite a dear brother in Christ.

Is he not dr. Waddington? He is.

And we not only know him, but he's a close friend of one of the members of my congregation. Who used to be a member of the OPC work in Franklin Square?

Hey, man, and then he speaks very highly of you brother Jeff and is delighted that I have been interviewing you. But let's move on now to this very interesting and unusual title. I feel like going through the title just like John MacArthur exegetes a passer of Scripture by one with each word at a time.

He'll do it'll spend at least a half hour on each word. Let's start with the no, I'm only kidding. Uh-huh. Unified operations of the human soul. Well, that is an interesting Phrase so if you could what is that?

Well, it's dealing with Edwards concern that the human soul or personality or the heart. Or that if you want a more technical term dispositional complex. Our human the center of our being is is a Created by God to operate in a unified fashion.

That means the the intellect or understanding the will and the emotions that these operate together. And what. What I'm responding to and what Edwards was responding to was what is often referred to in the Technical literature as faculty psychology and faculty is Simply means a power or a capacity of the human mind or the human soul.

I.

See and I think if I'm not mistaken Doesn't this then perhaps? Delve into Edwards view of the human will. Yes prior to the fall, which actually there is some disagreement amongst Calvinists Over his approach to this.

Am I correct in assuming this? Yes.

Edwards of as you may know is is is Appreciated that even I don't I'm not I don't I'm not I wouldn't call myself an Edward's Ian. I'm an appreciator of Edwards in the way. I think that the professors at old Princeton would appreciate him And so but on this point, I think Edwards is is exactly right and I'm I Understand that there because it's a doctoral dissertation.

There is someone I have to disagree with. And and and that person happens to be the venerable John Gerstner, ah.

Yes, I love dr. Gerstner, but he did have some Unique views that were not shared even by someone who? Now in glory with him viewed. Dr. Gerstner as his mentor. Dr RC Sproul did not even agree with some of the things that our dear brother in Christ now in glory John Kirshner believed including the free offer of the gospel.

Yeah, it's um. With regard to to dr. Gerstner, it's a very fine point. In other words I want to I and I say this in the in the book that I'm not disagreeing with with the you know, I Guess you would say the majority of what dr. Gerstner did in his work with Edwards.

I would be on this I would be in the trenches with dr. Gerstner in terms of the larger Edwards academic community.

I.

Remember, you know talking with people who who had comments to make about dr. Gerstner, and I'm thinking if only you knew what I thought You'd be equally, you know disturbed with with my views. So on this the and the particular issue is in his book on classical apologetics, which he co-authored with RC Sproul art Lindsley.

He talks about the fall Affecting the intellect.

Indirectly, yeah, they were opposed to presuppositional ism. Yes, but not now. Now that now they know better.

Everybody that we disagree with when when if they're believers, they're in glory and they know better. But and so that the defined point is what does it actually what is. What did he mean by indirect?

Noetic effects of sin. And I challenged that but that really is the occasion for my study. But it is it is not like I spend all my time Dealing with dr. Gerstner. He's kind of the excuse. To put it another way of doing the research it's what got me interested and.

And.

Sent me off on on looking at the the human soul the heart Biblically. And I think this is where Edwards was was right. And this accounts for the subtitle Jonathan Edwards theological anthropology. Apology is another way of saying doctrine of man.

Okay, and apologetic would be defense of the faith. So if you need to translate that you could say Jonathan Edwards doctrine of man and His defense of the faith and how they relate. So I'm arguing that that Edward that Edwards.

And the other argument that I'm Making against Gerstner is that Edwards is not the nice clean classical apologist that dr. Gerstner portrayed him to be if for no other reason. Because he predates these these distinctions that we now take for granted.

Different schools of apologetics, it's quite interesting that you would find. Well, it just shows you that Something that even dr. Gerstner believed was true that we are fallible finite and Far from perfect on this earth, but it's amazing that a man you would you would find disagreement with a man over Edwards when he immersed his life into the Teaching and history and life and legacy of Jonathan Edwards next to the Bible.