May 14, 2020 Show with Angus Stewart on “Supernatural & Infallible Regeneration: Most Delightful, Astonishing, Mysterious & Ineffable”

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And a man who has become one of my favorite guests to interview is

Back on the program today, and his name is Angus Stewart.

He is the pastor of the Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Balamina Northern Ireland

and Today we are going to be addressing supernatural and infallible regeneration most

delightful Astonishing mysterious and ineffable and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to

iron sharpens iron radio pastor Angus Stewart a.

Privilege to be back with you praise God.

Well before we go into the theme at hand.

As we normally do When we have a pastor on even if he's already

Described his church many times you never know who is Listening who has never heard you before because we

seem to be getting new listeners on Nearly a daily basis that we're aware of

Added to our audience, so why don't you tell our listeners about Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Balamina,

California.

I'm California Northern Ireland, I don't know where California came from

Northern Ireland.

Very natural.

Belfast.

It's a good congregation, but with

Wow The

live webcast

there's not as

much emphasis.

Liberty and

CPRC co .uk.

We now have almost 3 ,000 translations on there.

We've been tidying it up today after over.

We know it can turn

DVDs through our Lord willing.

We've got a

cup from the States.

So we're probably even working

harder now.

I.

Know you're saying that you're on lockdown, but you seemed Disappointed that only two people were coming

to the public worship.

Now, are you.

Okay, because I do know churches that are continuing to have

public worship in spite of other things going on and of course

here in the United States We have as you know 50 states

and some of them Have somewhat of a more lax

Attitude about actually mandating a lockdown.

And they are just strongly suggesting that people not publicly gather but that is the

minority I believe.

Well, I am really thrilled that you have all those translations.

Now is it of all three forms of unity or is it just one of the three forms of unity that you have

all of those translations.

We

have those

creeds and three forms,

you know, they.

Wow you

mean

as

far

as people who.

Download the information.

Yes, that's fascinating because Indonesia has more Muslims per capita

than anywhere else in the world.

It

does

and

yeah

that made

sense.

Well, this topic is one in fact, I think every time we have you on the program.

The topics we address are one of the most important topics within the Christian faith

namely regeneration and.

If you could start off our discussion.

By.

Defining regeneration.

There are there are Churches that may not even use that word.

They may just simply say born again or things like that, but.

Tell us about regeneration.

Yes, Chris.

Regeneration

and

re mean

for

our

justification.

So regeneration

fallible.

It's

someone

article 12

This is the regeneration.

So

God does

his

bearded or

not

here

in

efficacy.

Last point

is significant because the canons adored are saying.

And this is double power and Might of God

that goes into

regenerating one very beginning

and

Genesis child

of

his and

with all this isn't a

create love.

Now, so what you're saying is that?

The biblical Understanding of regeneration.

Hmm or should I say that in the biblical understanding of regeneration

and the historically Protestant Reformational understanding especially the Reformed

understanding is That man is completely passive in his

own regeneration yes, and yes, and Therefore this

is 100 the work of God in this in these individuals Those of us who are

born again.

And Here is where the confusion lies with a lot of people especially who don't

believe in our understanding of the ordo salutis the order of

salvation.

I would say that although Reformed theology is on the rise. I still

believe we are a minority within Christendom today.

So therefore I believe from what I've heard And read and being in Christian

media for so many years.

Is that people believe that once they exercise? faith

somehow from a soul that is sinful

and selfish and wicked they somehow summon up this

faith and of course you have Arminians and Roman Catholics having an

unbiblical answer on how that is Accomplished through provenient grace

they call it which is nowhere in the Bible, but but however.

It's accomplished whenever the human Summons up this faith

it therefore Subsequently pleases God and he regenerates them and they are born again.

They have the reverse order that

we do very language

The day of my

birth

like

born

-again

Besides the word and

then he again

someone is born

and after they're

born and then they start breathing

and that breathing is

Faith and

prayer,

but you

don't have

faith.

It's not

of

blood.

It's not a

matter

of you're not

born born again.

For

that

great I read

it of the will.

And then if you

go from John 1 Well

tragically,

I've heard a good text

from James

Chris if

you and

your

readers

would

like to

hear

this one.

Yes, I just wanted to say tragically.

I've heard people claim that ability not saying I agree or believe that they're

telling the truth, but.

Some of these word -of -faith Pentecostal heretics will claim they can change the direction of the wind.

You know that that's an interesting point because but

logically by your own

will

it's

regeneration

is ace.

Anybody who claims that they can that they were born again by their own will if

they're able I

any wit less than the power of Almighty God who raised

Lazarus

from the

dead

and

Genesis 1.

James

1 then.

Yes, here's James.

Most people think James.

And now listen for the very first thing that James says about regenerate.

He

Forgot

us

do not

hurt

do

not hurt

my.

So

therefore

our

description

that

you

took.

From the three forms of unity Supernatural and infallible.

Reggie regeneration That Is

proven and everything that you have been saying.

Because if it's from God and God alone There's not going to be any halfway

Regeneration that fails or there's not going to be any regeneration that a dead

sinner can resist.

It will always Got you could always declare or God I

should say could always declare After he regenerates a sinner.

Mission accomplished.

Because.

And

now we

have

to go

to our

first

break.

If

anybody

wants to

join

us our

email

address

is

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Our guests today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is

Angus Stewart pastor of Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena, Northern Ireland.

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We have Aaron in Indianapolis, Indiana.

While every regeneration is truly a miracle I wonder if pastor Stewart might tell of particular

supernatural accounts of the Lord's regeneration.

Of which he is aware perhaps during awakening or revivals There on the Emerald

Isle or in the UK for the sake of glorifying God.

Thank you gentlemen.

That's an interesting question because everybody who gets saved is saved in this way, but

Perhaps there's more unusual circumstances that might clearly

reveal That this salvation or this

salvific work was entirely of God.

Do you have an answer for our listener a good question from the brother in

Indiana?

No, no a sister Aaron.

Erin oh.

God actually means Ireland.

Wow.

Maybe that's why she Adam Aaron.

Start with the Ireland perspective.

Confession is a wonderful book

writing in in Irish literature.

He's writing in the 5th century.

He was a Christian that is on the island of Britain probably

somewhere in the

West by but he was an unbeliever.

And he was taken by Irish

revealed himself

to to

Britain

need to preach to the people on the island Ireland to

meet him.

He dearly loved and he wrecked the Apostle.

Oh worked in him

might like

a good example of a God Regenerated and

then working at him

might

leak is the

same grief to the

second

example

and it amazed mice.

But surely you couldn't become a Christian.

You couldn't become a Christian.

But the point about regeneration

is

the make

any

difference easy to

him.

I really.

Then you've got

a hunger

born babes that

is

those

who

are

my thought why do

you need regeneration if

any man?

Creation

e PRC dot

-co dot

-uk.

Mary built

a

Regeneration.

Know these

things.

Well, she

says

thank

you pastor.

Yes.

I am aware of the

beautiful

meaning

of my

name.

I'm not worthy. She says and.

Aaron you have to come over to Ireland and come back to your names home.

Ha ha ha.

There you are, haven't you stolen enough American citizens from this

end of the pond here I'm speaking of your your wife

was somebody that you stole from our country, isn't she?

Well, I also have a question that I will ask you and I will have you answer it

when we return.

And I may get myself into trouble with my own fellow Calvinists if I don't word this very

carefully and properly but I obviously agree with you and

the reformed faith historically that Regeneration is a monergistic

act.

It is an act of God alone at the same time.

Does not God in his sovereignty?

Use means to bring about this miracle of for instance in

the the famous parable in Matthew 13

the power parable of The soils or as most people probably call the

parable of the seeds and the sower or the sower and the seeds

you have Planting and watering going on and then God alone gives the increase

which I were Which I would view as regeneration.

We can't be too Disappointed and we can't

get involved in self -loathing when we tirelessly evangelize

and especially this would go for a missionary who might have given up everything where he lives and

gone to a foreign world and may be laboring there for years amongst the people and

Either see one or two conversions or maybe none for four years.

Because we we shouldn't be too hard on ourselves because we have to remember it is God that gives the

increase.

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And by the way, before I have you answer my question, I just wanted to let you know that Aaron

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I am house trained and it will be just me alone.

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That sounds wonderful.

It sounds like Aaron will be a lot of fun.

Yeah, I think that she will be.

She has communicated with me in this program many times and she does have a good sense of humor.

So as I said before the break, although I am a monergist, I believe that

God does not require or even involve the cooperation

of men to save sinners.

He uses means, however, and would I be correct in saying, as even the

parable of the soils, sometimes called the parable of the

sower and the seeds, or the seeds and the sower, and it

seems to be depicting there that regeneration comes about when men are

planting and watering seeds through evangelism.

And the preaching of the gospel, etc.

So if you could answer that.

Chris, your orthodoxy is unimpeachable.

And even though you use the term

monergism,

one of the verses we use there

is

monergism.

Entirely of God's sovereign will.

When

God is

planting us by means, and

then there are other

paths.

The key here

is to learn again

the truth

of

regeneration,

the

seed

in us.

The second,

which

we hear preaching,

the seed

into the ground

will seed

in us.

And

implanted

the

word, page

1, which James 1 doesn't mention, and

then

James

2,

Matthew

13, preparing the

heart.

Did I make that clear enough?

Oh yes, you made it perfectly clear.

And it's also key that you said he makes the soil fertile for

the increase that he brings, because according to Romans 9, we are all both the

reprobate and the elect, created from the same soil originally.

The same lump of clay.

Okay, I have one more question that may get me in trouble with many of my listeners.

It's an ominous way to start a sentence.

I'm sorry?

It's an ominous way to start a sentence.

Well, anybody who knows me and who has listened to this program knows that I

absolutely love the late R .C. Sproul.

He has been one of the greatest influences on my life and my

sanctification and understanding of theology.

I consider him a great hero of the faith.

I prize as one of my most valued possessions the

commendation that he wrote for this program after being interviewed on it.

And I could not stop raving and singing praises for the

late R .C. Sproul.

But I was watching YouTube fairly recently,

and there was a panel discussion that R .C. was having during a League in the Air

conference, and on that panel were Dr. Al Mohler and Ravi

Zacharias, the only Armenian amongst the three.

And somebody in the audience, they were answering questions from the audience, and somebody

asked, or either the audience asked or the

moderator asked, I can't remember which, but the question was asked, what is

your opinion of the seeker -sensitive movement?

And R .C. began responding in ways during which I agreed with

everything he was saying up to a point.

He was talking about how he was very dismayed

over the seeker -sensitive movement, so -called.

He was talking about how unbiblical it is, and dangerous, and basically said, oh, it's

no good.

So he was right on the money.

But then, you know, he started rightly quoting from Romans chapter 3,

where we read, none is righteous, no, not one.

No one understands, no one seeks for God.

All have turned aside, together they have become worthless.

No one does good, not even one.

Their throat is an open grave.

They use their tongues to deceive.

The venom of asps is under their lips.

Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.

Their feet are swift to shed blood.

In their paths are ruin and misery.

And the way of peace they have not known.

There is no fear of God before their eyes.

So therefore, he said, and this is where I disagreed with him.

He said, no one seeks after God unless they are already

born again.

He said, men seek after religion and

facets of religion and things that are embodied in religion

that are pleasing to them while discarding other things.

But they are not truly seeking Christ.

They're not truly in humility and repentance and so on seeking Christ.

All right, this is where I disagree.

I believe, and you could either agree with R .C. or agree with me on this, obviously.

I believe that the unregenerate would never seek after

God left to their own depraved hearts and minds.

But I believe God also softens men's hearts

and they do begin to seek before they're regenerate.

Because if you have only born -again people seeking after Christ, you

have regenerate people who do not yet believe in Christ, who are seeking for Him, if you

follow what I'm saying.

I don't know if R .C. Sproul had the time to rethink that because it was kind of an on -the -spot

way of answering it.

But I can say that, and I hope I don't offend you in this either, but other than infant

baptism, it's the only time I can recall disagreeing with Brother Sproul on anything that I can

remember.

But if you could, comment on what I just said.

In other words, do men who are unregenerate ever seek for

God?

And I'm not saying that they do that in their own

depraved hearts and minds unaided.

I believe, like for instance, God even softened Pharaoh's heart to release the Israelites, the Hebrew

slaves.

But yet Pharaoh was still as lost as he ever was before.

I believe that the drawing process involves lost people having their

hearts softened before they are actually in a full -blown state of being regenerate.

And that's because, as I said, if you have only born -again

people seeking after Christ, you have people who are regenerate

who do not yet know Christ.

Because they're still seeking, if you follow what I'm saying.

It's still described as the softening of his heart by God, though.

Sorry?

It's still described as the softening of his heart by God that resulted in that.

I'm not aware of any...

The idea

of someone may seek...

Do you know a

lot of times

where I

read what

we're saying and

what

we're not

saying?

Well, like for instance, if you go back to my main reason for rejecting

the idea that you must be born -again to first seek

after God, is that therefore you would subsequently have

regenerate people who are not yet Christians.

You would have regenerate people seeking for Christ, and seeking for Christ means they haven't found Him yet.

And I'm saying, and I have to reiterate, that I don't believe a totally

depraved man or woman or child, unaided by the Spirit,

will ever seek after Christ.

But I believe the drawing process involves God softening hearts

and prodding them in providence, placing people in the right place at

the right time where the gospel is being preached, and things like that.

Like for instance, when a man, before he's regenerate, says to himself,

I've got to find out what all the fuss is about, about this preacher that my family, my

Christian family members are telling me about.

There's something going on there before the person is regenerate.

That's really all I'm saying.

And going back to, if you believe you have to be born -again to even seek,

in that full state of regeneration before you even seek, then you have somebody who's seeking who

is regenerate and not yet a Christian.

It doesn't seem to make sense to me.

Okay.

A key

bit in the Kids

3 -4, that the unregenerate,

there are those who

teach that they have a contrite and

broken heart,

ye were dead through evil

continually.

Could we

divert the path

a little

with my

apologies

that I didn't shed more light on that?

Of course.

Of course.

Before you go on to anything else, let's go to a listener question, especially since she's a first -time

questioner.

We have Sharon, and I don't know if it's Wanakee or Wanakue, New

Jersey, W -A -N -A -Q -U -E.

But she says, Reverend Stewart, is there a proper analogy between the seed of

regeneration of our souls and the seed of resurrection of our bodies that Paul

talks about in 1 Corinthians 15, verse 42?

So both our souls and bodies are made new.

So also is the resurrection of the dead.

It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.

That's an

interview

from New

Jersey on the

last day.

What happened to my wife, my father,

that one

day

we'll see

that his

spirit comes to

manifestation

in walking in

someone, and the other one

has to do with the physical body, and it's an image to understand.

Great.

Well, thank you, Sharon.

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Standard Bible.

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And make sure you give us your full mailing address in Wanakee or Wanakue, New Jersey.

Now, if you would like to...

No, in fact, we're going to go to our final break.

It's going to be brief.

And I already see this being part two, if you're willing to come back in June when we have our earliest

availabilities.

But I already see us going into a part two on this.

In fact, I'm certain of it, if you are interested.

I'm in.

Great.

We're going to our final break, and our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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And we have been discussing supernatural and infallible regeneration.

And we do have a listener from Northern Ireland as well.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like it's pronounced Antrim, Northern Ireland.

Antrim, yes.

Sam says, since regeneration produces faith in us,

is faith our responsibility or the Holy Spirit's?

Right.

We have

Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania,.

Who says, there are some who reject the Reformed faith, who

build a caricature of it, and when they reject our

understanding of the order of salvation or the order of salutis, they say

that in our understanding, since we believe, as Calvinists,

regeneration precedes faith, that there is some period of time

between regeneration and faith that takes place, so therefore you have

regenerate people walking around with no faith until at some point

they receive it.

It could be days, it could be weeks, months, or even years and decades.

Is this not a falsehood or a caricature?

Does not faith immediately flow from the regenerate heart?

Yes.

There

is a

manifestation

of

regeneration

that

cannot

sin, Lord.

Amen.

And it may confuse those who oppose the Reformed faith.

When we give an order, or when we say the Bible gives an order to salvation,

they may misunderstand what we mean by regeneration comes first,

faith comes second.

They may not realize in that wording that we mean instantaneously faith comes second.

Yes.

Praise

God.

Well, a lot of what Susan Margaret was saying

actually is very connected to my question before that you scolded me for bringing

up that.

God.

It was a very light scolding, though, Chris.

Be fair to me.

And I must confess that the wording, God soften Pharaoh's

heart, does not exist.

And I was perhaps guilty of eisegesis there.

But perhaps a better example would have been Nicodemus.

But since we have a month until you're going to be back on, I'd like to reintroduce that question

when you're back on, at least briefly, after there's some time at least.

I thought you were going to drop that one, but we can talk about this later.

All right.

I want to thank you for being on the program today, and if you could give your website one more time.

It's www .cprc .org.

And I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is

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