August 31, 2021 Show with David J. Engelsma on “The Belgic Confession” (Part 4)

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Introduction to the Belgic Confession and the Question of Free Will

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth, who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this final day of August in 2021, August 31st.

And today we are going to be interviewing one of my favorite guests, and this is a continuation of a series over which we have already had three parts. This is part four of our discussion on a new two-volume commentary on the Belgian Confession, and we have the author of that commentary to discuss not only the confession, but the truths especially that are contained within the confession.

His name is David J. Engelsman, certainly no stranger to the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio audience. He's an author and was the professor of dogmatics and Old Testament studies for 20 years at Protestant Reform Seminary in Granville, Michigan, and emeritus professor since the Synod of 2008.

He was the editor of the Standard Bearer magazine from 1988 to 2002, and he is a lecturer and preacher touring in North America and throughout the British Isles on behalf of the British Reformed Fellowship, which is devoted to spread and defend the Reformed faith in the United Kingdom.

And today, as I said, we're addressing part four of the Belgian Confession, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Professor David J. Engelsman.

I'm appreciative of the opportunity to discuss these fundamental doctrines in this great document.

And I will give our audience our email address immediately in the event that they have a question on the Belgian Confession or a general question on the Reformed faith, also known as Calvinism. Just a nickname because we attribute the teachings to Jesus Christ and the Triune God, because these are not merely the teachings of men, although God used throughout history mighty men of God to bring us these truths, including John Calvin.

But if you have a question, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

Please only remain anonymous. If your question involves a personal and private matter, let's say you are not in a Reformed church, you're beginning to lean more and more towards embracing these truths, or you at least have a lot of questions that are developing in your mind about these truths, and perhaps your church is so vehemently anti-Calvinist you don't want to identify yourself at this time.

You might even be the pastor of a church like that. And I know a number of cases, many cases in fact, where that was the case, where a pastor who himself was not a Calvinist, and pastored a non-Calvinist church, eventually became a thoroughly Reformed preacher.

And I even know of one man who, God used this very program to bring a transformation in the life of an Armenian charismatic pastor, who was so transformed by the program that he actually stepped down from the pastor of his church, being honest with his congregation about his beliefs, and since they could not tolerate those things, he left the congregation and became a member of an Orthodox Presbyterian church.

So God has been using this program, and I am very humbled by that. But why don't we, for the sake of those who missed all of the three previous programs on the Belgic Confession, why don't you give us some of the background we've already addressed in summary form, and bring us to the point that we are going to be launching off today on predestination.

Now, I recall before the program started that you believed that there was some unfinished business, as it were, with Article 14 and the teaching of free will. Did you want to address that first, or do you want to plunge right into the article on predestination?

I don't think they have fallen mankind to perform any good contradiction among Protestants, and even among Protestants who have evangelical church in the gospel.

One thing, or a couple of things that we should clarify, because this, and nearly every single point of the five points of Calvinism, is so misunderstood, people have knee-jerk reactions to these teachings when they hear them, and they begin to formulate, without an open Bible, and without having done the thorough research that should be accompanying any study of these issues, or any issue that concerns God's teachings, they formulate either things in their own minds that are caricatures or just outright false pictures of what Reformed people teach, or while not reading great Reformed men of history, they read anti-Calvinistic literature and only have that side of the story from those authors that hate what we believe.

But the common thing that immediately comes to folks' minds, and I'm including myself, when I first began to hear about these doctrines that you and I hold precious, I was a person who had been raised in Roman Catholicism, where these things were never heard, not even in a critical examination, and then when I began to explore evangelical churches and visit churches, the vast majority of them were Pentecostal, Charismatic, Church of Christ, all congregations, to my knowledge at the time, that had, you know, rejected these things.

So I didn't even know about these things, because there weren't, I don't even recall any negative sermons preached against these things during this time that I was searching and visiting churches. I didn't hear these things until I was at a Bible study at the church where I was eventually saved and baptized, a Reformed Baptist church on Long Island.

During a Bible study, I heard my pastor bring some of these things up, and I began to panic, and I had knee-jerk reactions of my own. But obviously, when it comes to free will, people have this very false idea that is not only foreign to the Scriptures, but foreign to what Reformed people have always taught, at least those that are biblically sound and really faithful to what Calvinism means, that this means, according to Calvinists in their minds, that God is forcing men to sin against their will, and when men do good things, He is forcing them against their will also, and that when people reject Christ, it is God who is forcing them to reject Christ, and when they come to Christ, it is God who is forcing them, and the old saying goes, they are dragged kicking and screaming all the way into heaven because God is forcing them against their will.

If you could just clarify how these are not only unbiblical concepts, as even our opponents would say that, but they are not even historical concepts when it comes.

To true Calvinism. In the thinking of it in the gospel to commit himself to Christ, and he loves to. Some folks listening think that we are making a big deal over trivial matters, but this is.

Very serious stuff, because those who are thoroughly and logically consistent when it comes to their Calvinism are really the only Christians that give 100 of the glory to God for their salvation. Now those outside of the Reformed faith, no doubt most of them will say they do, but if you examine what they believe, they really don't.

They believe that a dead, or in the words of many non-Reformed people, seriously sick Christians, or should I say humans, not Christians, they say that they are the ones that are really the arbiter, the final arbiter of where their eternal destiny lies, and they are the ones that throw the switch, as it were, of whether they are going to be welcomed into heaven or cast into hell.

So that's a very serious issue, and there are some in the Arminian or non-Calvinist world, because obviously there are many evangelicals and others who reject what we believe who do not want to identify with Jacob Arminius either, but they have become so repulsed and hate our beliefs so much on these matters that some have even gone as far, including Hank Hanegraaff, who is now Eastern Orthodox, he converted to Eastern Orthodoxy, and a man who was considered one of the most brilliant evangelical theologians alive, Norman Geisler, they have said that our understanding of lost sinners coming to faith in Christ as cosmic rape, R .A .P .E., so that's how serious our opponents can take these things, so they obviously are important issues indeed, and we, in fact, if everybody listening will please mark your calendars, I'm going to announce this already because it involves some of the things we're saying, Professor Engelsman will be returning to Iron Trip and Zion Radio very soon, in fact, not this Friday, but a week from this Friday, September 10th, he will be back in the program addressing the subject of hyper-Calvinism, not the hyper-Calvinism that is used as a label by non-Calvinists, which means every single person that believes in the five points of Calvinism, it's ironic why they would even have to use hyper in the name when they believe Calvinism is, in and of itself, seriously flawed, why they need to throw in hyper there, I don't know, but hyper-Calvinism is not Calvinism, but we will address that, and you will get to know more about that, God willing, on September 10th.

Let me respond to those, and by the way, that was central to Luther's reformation of the church, to the importance of that. Amen. In fact, let's pick up right where we left off here and launch.

Into predestination. When we come back, we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air, as I said before, the question of your own, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Please try to give us your first name and city and state and country of residence as much as possible. Don't go away. We'll be right back with David Engelsma in part four of the Belgic Confession, right after these messages.

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Predestination, Election, and Reprobation

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If you have any questions of your own regarding this confession about Reformed theology in general, or about the scriptures and Christianity in general, about the gospel in general, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

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And I just want to read to our listeners something by an Anglican listener who always, every time he hears that we are having Professor Anglesma on the program, he gets so excited. He's a thoroughly Reformed and Protestant Anglican.

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Thank you, Chris. Well, I love that, I think it's a very accurate description. We are now launching into the predestinate, and I'm assuming you've finished everything that you wanted to say about free will before, but if you have, we will launch now into the article on predestination and the Belgic Confession.

The Belgic Confession treats... Yes, very similar wording in the 1689.

Baptist Confession of Faith, and it's very important because the enemies of Calvinism insist that our understanding of reprobation is, once again, that God is forcing otherwise spiritually neutral men to reject him and therefore be worthy of condemnation, that they otherwise, according to their so-called free will, may have made a decision for Christ, but they say that in our concept of reprobation, God is making sure that they won't because he's forcing them, and this is obviously nonsense, it's not biblical, nor is it historical.

That's correct, and at the same time, by many who do understand it...

We have a listener who is choosing to remain anonymous, and he says, Hello, Professor Engelsma, I am a first-time questioner and am remaining anonymous because I know I am going to offend the Christians who are most close to me in my opposition to their beliefs, and it will put me in a touchy situation at church, so therefore I am remaining anonymous, please forgive me for doing so.

Every time I have heard someone get into a discussion against the doctrine of unconditional election, they use the tired, old, worn-out phrase saying, You believe that God says eeny, meeny, miny, moe, and arbitrarily picks some for salvation and others for damnation, and it has nothing to do about anything else other than a whim of God, and I was wondering how you can explain that away when I hear that for the millionth time.

My response to that canard would be worse than...

In fact, we have to go to our midway break right now. We're going to pick up where we left off and by the way, anonymous, since you have identified yourself as a first-time questioner, you have received not only the two-volume set, which is Professor Engelsma's two-volume commentary on the Belgian Confession, absolutely free of charge, but you also get a New American Standard Bible since you're a first-time questioner, compliments of the publishers of the NASB.

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We have to go to our midway break, and please use this time wisely. It's a bit longer than the other breaks because Grace Life Radio, 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida, requires a longer break in the middle of the show so they can localize Iron Trip and Zion Radio geographically to Lake City, Florida, through their own public service announcements, and while they do that, we air our own globally heard commercials, so please use this time wisely.

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Grace Church at Franklin is an independent autonomous body of believers which strives to clearly declare the whole counsel of God as revealed in scripture through the person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And of course the end for which we strive is the glory of God. If you live near Franklin, Tennessee, and Franklin is just south of Nashville, maybe 10 minutes, or you are visiting this area, or you have friends and loved ones nearby, we hope you will join us some Lord's Day in worshiping our God and Savior.

Please feel free to contact me if you have more questions about Grace Church at Franklin. Our website is gracechurchatfranklin .org. That's gracechurchatfranklin .org. This is Pastor Bill Sousa wishing you all the richest blessings of our Sovereign Lord, God, Savior and King Jesus Christ today and always.

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