April 13, 2022 Show with Joel Saint on “Youth Groups in the Bible?”

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Chrisarnson at gmail .com. That's Thursday, September 22, 11 a .m. to 2 p .m. I'm so thrilled to have a first-time guest today by popular demand. A lot of people have been asking me providentially recently if I knew Joel Saint, the executive director of Mid-Atlantic Reformation Society, the host of the Think and Reform podcast, and pastor of the Independence Reform Bible Church in Morgantown, Pennsylvania.

And I have been responding that I know of Joel but have not had the privilege to meet him face-to-face yet, to my knowledge. And we just recently began to correspond, and he listened to some of our recent interviews with Matt Trujillo and Matt Kinnitzer and others, and he told me that he would be delighted to be on the program, and I am thrilled that he has accepted my invitation.

Today we are going to be addressing a very controversial issue. I hope that I don't hurt the feelings of some of my friends. I have friends who are actually pastors now, who began their careers in the ministry as youth pastors, and so I hope I don't unnecessarily offend any of them.

Today we are going to be discussing youth groups in the Bible, how that study led Joel Saint away from his job as a youth pastor. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Joel Saint.

Mid-Atlantic Reformation Society and the Think and Reform Podcast

Thank you, Chris. Thanks so much for having me.

Well, let our listeners know, first of all, about the Mid-Atlantic Reformation Society.

Yeah, we got started with the Mid-Atlantic Reformation Society here in the southeast of Pennsylvania about nine or ten years ago. The Bible, that's right, from a pulpit, about nine or ten years ago. We have continued, well, one topic was who, and that's right, nine or ten years.

By the way, have you ever had an uncomfortable conversation with a brother in Christ, might be even in pastoral ministry, might even be an author, from the United Kingdom? Because they typically, not always, but they typically have a very different spin on the right to bear arms as we who are conservatives and patriotic American citizens and constitutionalists and Christians, most of us, not all, but most of us here in the United States cherish that right.

And there is, sometimes I have encountered real hostility on the other side of the pond from brethren who agree with you and I on most of the most important issues of the faith, and then all of a sudden you get hit by a sucker punch out of left field with a really amazingly negative response to that issue.

Have you encountered that yourself?

I've not encountered that so much from the pond in the UK. I live with us here, and we got into an argument in 2013, and they were telling me that the Bible does 13, you find out that the civil magistrate is actually the one with pointed out to him, the one who has the sword, you have the Philistines, so I believe he's interested.

In every totalitarian dictatorship in history, the first thing they do when they gain power is remove guns from the citizens' possession. And one can only imagine how differently things would have turned out if many, if not most, of the Jewish population of Germany and those nations occupied by Germany, if most of those Jewish families were in the possession of firearms, things might have turned out differently.

But we should return to that subject at some point in the future. Also tell us about the Think and Reform podcast that you host.

Yeah, and that's the same type of thing there on the issues of the day. That's been the more recent thing that we've done. The Bible speaks to us. Luke, you're not starting from the beginning. If you don't start from the Bible, you know you're starting from the beginning.

Yes, and now tell us about Independence Reform Bible Church of Morgantown, Pennsylvania.

Thanks for asking about that. We got our start there about eight years or so ago there, and I never really—what happened was I felt like I— I didn't believe that I had the option to be my own church on job.

Well, praise God. Now tell us about a conference that you have coming up from September 30th through October 2nd, 2022, this year. And I would love to be in attendance if my schedule works out. Tell our listeners about this conference.

Yeah, and I'd love to be at your—I'd love to hear Dr. James White from you there on the, I believe, 22nd, I believe you mentioned.

Yes.

Yes, I'd love—I'm planning on coming.

Oh, great. In fact, make sure you bring at least 150 flyers. I have a feeling we're going to have a bigger turnout with Dr. White there since he's so globally known. Even, I would say, why don't you bring 200 flyers for your conference that you could pass out at my luncheon, and you could also get up and announce the luncheon and describe it.

Oh, that would be terrific. Yeah, I definitely plan on coming. I'd love to hear Dr. White. Listen to many of his debates.

And I've organized many of those debates.

Oh, good for you. In fact, did you organize some of the ones with Dr. Robert Stronginus?

Yes, I did. At least two.

Okay.

Yes, I happen to know him as well. So I actually know Dr. Stronginus pretty well, actually.

Yeah, I am one of those few Reformed evangelical Protestants who actually likes Robert's company when we're socializing. I have a great time having lunch or dinner with him. I think he's got a great sense of humor.

It's only when he gets behind that podium at a debate that sometimes I think he loses his cool. But I really enjoy him as a friend. I make it clear to him, and he knows that, I do not consider him a brother in Christ because he clearly affirms the heretical doctrines of Trent, which would include an apostate understanding of justification.

So I cannot extend the brotherhood to him and give him the handshake of a brother, but I do enjoy his friendship nonetheless.

Yeah, no doubt. And there were some pretty good debates between us. About a week and a half later, we are organizing another Future of Christendom conference. This will be about our 5th, 29th, 30th Sunday.

We want to hear from people.

Wow.

Yes.

Great.

Well, let me give our audience, and I hope to remember to repeat these websites. But first, for the Mid-Atlantic Reformation Society, also known as MARS, go to midatlanticreformation .org, midatlanticreformation .org.

For the Independence Reform Bible Church in Morgantown, Pennsylvania, go to irbc .church, irbc .church. And for all of the information that you need about the blog and podcast and the conferences that my guest Pastor Joel St. has been mentioning, go to futureofchristendom .org, futureofchristendom .org.

And as I said, I will intend to repeat that information later on.

As I mentioned, we also sponsor a website called christendom .press.

Great. Well, that's a new discovery for me, so I'm glad I know about that. We have a custom here on Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio, a cherished tradition, where whenever we interview a first-time guest, if that guest, which the vast majority of my guests are, is a born-again believer in Christ.

Sometimes I have nonbelievers on that may have written something that is important enough for the body of Christ to be educated about it. And sometimes I have debates and other things that involve non-Christians, but the vast majority of my guests are Christians.

And whenever we have a first-time guest who is a Christian, we have them give a summary of their salvation testimony including any kind of religious atmosphere they may have been raised in and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them, and that would include you.

So I'd love to hear a summary of your salvation testimony.

Salvation Testimony and Early Conversion

Oh, well, thank you very much for the opportunity. Extremely grateful to talk about that. I grew up in a solidly Christian home. My father took the Bible. There would be two things coming up, coming up from the bottom of the rubble, and my father would be calling us for family devotions.

But in any case, he took the Bible. We, like I say, read it every night. I myself heard it, but I was a little rebel. I mean, I still remember thinking that, even as a third grader, I remember thinking, I think I've met some pastors who have that.

I've met some pastors with that same state of mind. Yeah, what a shame. But yeah, I mean, there I was.

Praise God. Praise God. And since we were mentioning James White before, you're one of the few men that I know who was graciously and mercifully saved at an extremely young age. I believe Dr. White said he was saved at eight, and I believe he was baptized not long after that.

By the way, my fellow Cumberland County residents might be interested to know, if you are familiar with Dr. James R. White, who's one of the most brilliant apologists alive on the planet Earth, he spent a part of his youth growing up in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, and was a member and was baptized at the Bible Baptist Church of Shiremanstown, Pennsylvania.

So I just thought I'd throw that in there.

I was not aware that he spent time in Mechanicsburg. How about that?

Yeah, his father sold mobile homes, I believe, for a living for a part of his life, in addition to being a pastor.

Right.

But I'm sure that James will love reminiscing and driving around, visiting some of those spots where he was raised when he comes out here this fall, God willing. Please, folks, pray that nothing prevents him, such as a nuclear war that we may be involved in or gas going up to $30 a gallon or whatever it may be, because he is traveling by a mobile home these days to avoid the mandates on masks and airplanes and so forth.

Good for him.

So please pray that nothing prevents that, folks. And now I'd like to hear how you came to discover and embrace the doctrines of sovereign grace, which have been nicknamed Calvinism and also Reformed theology, because I know from your written testimony that you began your Christian journey as an Arminian.

And my dear father was... I mean, I know that almost sounds in such a way as maybe I... But every night he would pray for a neighbor of ours.

Praise God.

Yeah, absolutely. It was every night he prayed for him, and it was a neighbor. My father prayed for him. What happened to me was I began to think about... I realized at one time that there were smarter people than me, but then died a horrific, painful, humiliating, disgraceful death.

He was made a disgrace.

Amen. Amen.

Praise God. It reminds me of the logical conclusion you came to. It reminds me of the lack of logical consistency of our dear Arminian brethren. When I was listening to an interview on a radio station that I worked for for 15 years, WMCA, 570 AM in New York, a Salem media affiliate, Andy Anderson was the talk show host.

And I was listening to a friend of mine, an independent fundamentalist, King James Only Baptist, a real great guy, I loved him, a great friend. And I was listening to him being interviewed, and he said emphatically to Andy Anderson, I thank God that Jesus Christ 100 completed the work of redemption on Calvary's cross that I required to be saved.

He did it all. So I called in, this was a live call-in show, and I said, Brother, oh, what great news, I didn't know that you'd become a Calvinist. And he said, oh, what do you mean, Brother Chris? I don't know what you're talking about.

I said, well, you just said that Jesus Christ 100 completed the work of redemption on the cross. That must mean you're a Calvinist. He goes, how do you mean that? And I said, well, if he died for every single person, then we're all going to heaven.

Every single person on the planet Earth, right? He goes, no, no, I don't believe that. And I said, well, think about your inconsistency then, Brother.

Yeah, right on. Some people call it Calvinism.

Amen.

Well, when we come back, I want you to complete your testimony by sharing a little bit about how you knew that you received the call into pastoral ministry, and then we'll get into our main theme about how you departed from the youth pastor mindset.

And let me remind our listeners, I have dear friends who are really theologically sound pastors today that actually began their ministries as youth pastors. I don't even know how much of what my guest has to say today that I will agree with.

I have a feeling I'll agree with much of it, possibly even all of it, because I have, as an observer from the outside, had a lot of problems with what I have witnessed in the youth group movement within the church.

So I'm eager to hear what my guest has to say. But please keep an open mind and be prayerful and don't immediately reject what my guest has to say, just because you may have a bias about this. But if you have questions of your own, even if you are a youth pastor, even if you are 100 percent in favor of youth pastors and youth groups, please send in your question to chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Well, we could understand something like that of being a reason to remain anonymous. But if it's just a general question, please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence. And that e-mail address once again is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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We are now back with Joel Saint and he is pastor of Independence Reformed Bible Church of Morgandown, Pennsylvania. We are discussing or we are about to discuss youth groups in the Bible, how that study led Joel Saint away from his job as a youth pastor.

Before we enter into that key discussion that is the main issue of our program today, how did you know that you received a call from God to enter into pastoral ministry?

When I first got into the youth ministry, however, let me back up to that point, I loved the idea of teaching them to walk with Christ like my father did for me. My father failed at times, and what we find, we should walk, fix that, got me interested.

The Biblical Case Against Youth Groups

Well, let's open up Pandora's box now and enter into this realm where you began to do a study of the scriptures in regard to youth pastors. And in fact, that may even upset people by saying, I don't think there's anything in the Bible that describes an associate or assistant pastor.

I see two offices, elder and deacon, and elders are pastors, and so are bishops, and so are overseers. But having said that, tell us about this study that you began and what it was that began to trouble you about your own position as a youth pastor and the concept in general.

Congratulations for opening up this particular topic. Good for you. We all have our ideas of what a legitimate church or building, and one of them could be, in the minds of a lot of people, youth group or youth program.

And so we're really touching the apple of the eye of some folks here, so well done by you to, I think anyway, going this way.

There goes all the financial support for Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio. And it's interesting, one of the reasons why I think this subject is so important, and as I said at the outset, I don't know, I'm not a mind reader, and I've never had a discussion with you on this before.

I don't know how much of what you are about to say I'm going to be in agreement with. I have a feeling, knowing who you are from the descriptions of others and reading your website and so on, I have a feeling I'm going to be in great agreement but this issue is the presence of a youth group is one of the deciding factors for a multitude of Christians as to what church they join.

I know theologically reformed Christians who will join an Arminian church because they have a flourishing youth group.

Yep, yep.

But anyway, you go into your own explanation of what happened.

And in school, I began to notice something. I began to notice that it seemed to me like the children need me that much. So I began to think about this. I began to think about what, where's the whole idea of the youth group?

And I knew that it was a Hitler thing, it was a Stalin thing. I mean, I hope I'm not offending too many people here, but the idea of the youth group, in a modern sense, you go back to Stalin, you go back to Lenin, you go back to Hitler.

Now you adopt the values of the group.

In fact, this would be a good time to warn those churches that do have youth groups, please do not choose brown as the color of your uniforms.

Yeah, right, brown church.

Right.

And I began to read the Bible more about this. For example, when I was a youth pastor, I don't know if this is a trend anymore, but when I was a youth pastor, late 90s, what was happening was there was a big trend to have separate services, one for the kids and one for the adults.

And I remember reading in Peter, 1 Peter, where Peter talks about the younger being. The idea of all this stuff, as I thought about this further, I studied the Bible and began to think about what is a good youth pastor.

Every youth pastor knows the answer to this already. One, he has time for the kids. Number two, he has time for the kids. Number three, he's willing to be with the kids. And number four, that was not there then.

But the first four, the description of a father. I asked myself, what am I doing here? Not a deal breaker, but troubling. Things were not real helpful. Things like, well, you know, David, in the middle of this, if I'm a youth worker, he said, suck up the little children to come to me.

Group idea. Here's where things got real dicey for me.

Nothing?

I found three.

Okay.

Not too good. The first youth group I found was that group that cursed Elijah, or that mocked Elijah, or Elisha, excuse me. So that's an idea of like a, just a bunch of kids wandering around Israel in a really apostate time.

No family there. What do a bunch of kids, what are they doing just wandering around mocking Elijah, Elisha for? But that was, that was a youth group not really, really very encouraging. I found another youth group, and that was that stellar group that Rehoboam was, and we know that that did not go over well.

It split the king. Listening to his peers split the king. Rehoboam almost got killed himself, and his tax collector actually did that.

And by the way, going back to Elisha, that's also a reminder to the kids, don't make fun of bald guys at church. I mean, God actually released a bear on these kids who ate them.

Bald guys have a bad history in the Bible. You might want to... You're going to want to remember this. This was in Daniel 1 where Nebuchadnezzar, the youth, young men, and you can read about Daniel 1, the idea was to teach them the literature of the Chaldeans.

His whole purpose was to separate the values of the kids, the good little Babylon groups.

Fathers, Families, and the Old Testament Pattern

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