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We have a first -time guest today pastor Jim Mento of Bible Baptist Church of Liverpool

Pennsylvania, this is a church where one of my pastors Simon O'Maney conducted

a conference not long ago and Today pastor Mento is going to be discussing

a very important subject.

We have discussed this before on the program.

But it's the kind of a subject that I think bears repeating.

We are going to be discussing The theme discovering the outward and ordinary means of

grace in local church ministry.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Jim

Mento.

Hi, good afternoon and.

Pastor Jim, please.

Tell our listeners about Bible Baptist Church of Liverpool, Pennsylvania.

Yeah, we're.

We're a local body of believers 25 or so.

Minutes north.

In a gospel.

And

how would you describe the church theologically?

You know, our men are our teaching men are we're

Baptistic and

distinctive

online Distinctives.

So if you come and visit the

tenants of

the tenants of the

church, yeah.

I guess and if anybody wants more details about the

Bible Baptist Church of Liverpool, Pennsylvania The website is Bible Baptist Church of Liverpool

org Bible Baptist Church of Liverpool or just like

Liverpool England Li V as in victory er P as in Peter ool and

We hope that you will visit that website and more importantly visit that congregation.

Especially if you live in or near Liverpool, Pennsylvania or happen to be traveling through there on

a Lord's Day.

Well We have a tradition here on iron sharpens iron radio pastor Jim whenever we have a first

-time guest That would include you.

We have that guest.

Give a summary of their salvation testimony that would include.

The kind of religious atmosphere if any in which they were raised.

The kinds of Providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in that

individual's life that drew himself or herself

To God and saved them.

And.

We'd love to hear your story now.

Sure Salvation is of

the Lord.

I Devout Roman Catholic.

Southern, New Jersey.

Italian Catholic family.

So it's kind of like the Marines.

Yeah, we were very devout.

We were sinners all the men.

Learned the how I

was really young child

Italian

Catholic grandmother at the sound

of their grandchild in some way.

Having an interest in the Catholic priesthood.

So after high school, I was actually in a seminary for a little while

side and a real Catholic seminary.

Actually carried over into a Bible College and seminary once born

again and studying for the ministry.

So I joke in some sense, but it's not really a joke.

It's God's providence the Roman Catholic Church actually paid for my first year and a half of a Bible College.

The way that works out was I was in the seminary for a while.

Like I said, I was go to work.

My mother was sick.

Died in that time

I just decided to stay Out of the seminary and get a job.

I met a young lady was raised in a

Pentecostal background actually.

But at the time was not a attending any any church Presence at all.

We began dating very

attend mass with what is this?

What is that?

What's up with the statues?

What is the whole thing with Mary?

The church the Catholic Assembly that I was part of.

Had a huge Marian devotion even to the point of every July 16th, even to this

day.

Taking statues out of the church building and parading them around the streets very old world

kind of stuff so there was there was those things I say

the one Misjudgment of her wisdom was that she she

accepted my marriage proposal.

We were married and My wife then began asking me even deeper questions

about about Roman Catholicism as a seminary.

You know as some time in the seminary and kind of being raised up through

I had a grasp

of canon law.

I had a grasp of some of the tradition behind those things certainly the

Family life that I had was just steeped in this kind of devout tradition.

And I would give her answers, but none of them sufficed.

And even though she came from a Pentecostal background by God's grace

said Providence.

He allowed her never to be satisfied unless I could bring her to the Bible.

With anything that I said regarding the faith and that really

challenged if your proof text is this Bible which

It's just so interesting growing up.

We had Bibles in the house, but they were just other Kinds of relics,

you know, they were always dusty.

They were never open.

It was there was never an encouragement to read them.

They they they served the same purpose as say a st. Joseph's staff.

They were just kind of there.

My wife read the Bible and she Followed as an authority

which was very odd to me and and that you know growing up as a Roman Catholic going to a seminary.

There was never the statement that the Bible had authority.

It was always the Magisterium was always the Bishop Rick it was always

all that to say I Picked up a

Bible and began to read it.

Really her nagging question was purgatory.

We had a as most Roman Catholic churches do a

very intricate system of Purgatorial masses being

said

they were still selling masses indulgent masses.

Indulgence masses.

I should know and they still do they they still do and and I had told her one time

Interesting.

I told her to to stand in line with everyone else and and buy a mass

for this.

We we were not an arguing couple, but this really kind of

led I don't remember an argument, but I need to prove

I again her authority was the Bible.

I thought well, I'll go to the Bible and then we were newly book

edition of the back the way.

But she has it was an NIV

student Bible if you're familiar with that.

There's little some of them good some

of the I began reading.

I thought well

David was a general a king.

I liked history.

I was an avid history reader, you know popular.

I thought I'd read that and I'm not kidding you.

It took me a where David's life was in the Bible.

I had no idea.

It wasn't it was there.

Why why would why would you didn't he learned his own book I thought you know and again at the time so.

Anyway, I began reading and I just I

began reading it through turning

but I read it in the

morning before work I read it.

Yeah, we read it together.

My wife was very patient.

She never Probed me or prodded me or she would just read along.

There was never an overarching kind of teaching moment or anything like that.

It was just I was reading she read then I

obviously came to the Gospels and a Roman Catholic would tell you They're familiar with the Gospels.

They're read every Sunday.

I was actually a one of the people at the Roman

Catholic to read the readings a lectern

Able to do that.

So I had some familiarity with you know, just kept

reading through and then I got to Romans one and next to Roman scene

in 17, there is a in the in the NIV student Bible, there is a

synopsis of Martin Luther being just

Thunderstruck appalled.

I didn't know much about Protestantism.

But what I knew growing up was

that he

was

errant.

Yes.

What was it?

What what was it that the our heretic Luther solemnly?

I'd never heard of

not

of man out

of sack not of to

believe on the Lord Jesus.

It's like like Luther said the gates of heaven were

I dare say I I cannot remember a date or a time.

I probably have a year Narrowed down and maybe a month or at least a season of the year.

I think it was in the fall.

When I was I had just turned I

rushed to my wife and I I said have you heard this before?

And she said yeah, I've I've heard it before and How wonderful I

would say

that the Spirit of God took that word and wielded it

yielded it into my soul.

And and since then and since that point being sanctified

some turns ups and downs.

But God is faithful and the gospel is the power of God unto self.

I live by faith.

So In a sense, I'm learning that text I think as many of us do

as we we learn that text Daily, it's not moment by

moment to this day.

Now, how did you come to discover and embrace the doctrines known as?

The doctrines of sovereign grace the doctrines of Calvinism reform theology comes by a

number of nicknames.

Yeah, how did you come to discover and embrace these truths that you and I both hold?

So very dear.

Interesting enough that wasn't an easy discovery.

I can't say that I had.

Even you know, I was 21

I was reading the Bible just as much as I could.

My wife and I at that point began reading together.

Just as you know kind of a groundwork to Explain it.

We read through the Bible.

We still read through it.

But we actually read through the Bible poignantly and purposely.

Three, I think maybe four times In the in the consecutive years.

I should say from that point as I knew that that.

That what I heard in the Catholic Church, well, it just wasn't right.

There was no reason to resacrifice Jesus Christ.

There was no no reason to to go to a priest.

At the time I was was working with a born -again

Christian

that had just come to the shop about the same time.

But I was I would say the Lord said and he would listen to

WFIL radio at a Philadelphia.

That was a sister station or is.

Is a sister station of the station where I worked for 15 years WMCA

570 a .m. In New York, and we would meet with the leadership

There at WFIL annually for sales summits in Maryland and

Have other opportunities from time to time, but very familiar with the station.

Yeah, and and I.

Had never heard anything like that before you

know,

so it's not as

if we think that we listen but

Of us were

newly married.

We could and we would go out at night and do oil service kind of

out in the middle of nowhere.

And he would put this radio station on and I had I was just more, you know the

lineup.

So there was like the guys on there, but then there was this one guy.

He didn't sound like like anybody else and I'm

just so good in my life and That was JM

voice.

I never met him.

I'll meet him in glory, but I can.

I could hear his Blessedly gravelly voice.

Yes and all these these texts went

deep.

He didn't go broad.

He didn't go wide.

He went a shadow on

any other.

I didn't know it then but it was expected to

fast forward

give you a background kind of a

Evangelical life

your

whole

life

is is

wrapped

into

picking up my cross and following Christ.

I was keeping it easy and so on.

I tried to share the gospel with them that were Roman Catholic and they they let me go and do those kinds of things

long.

I was as I was at

Jersey into central, Pennsylvania and So he moved

moved me to a Bible Church

from there.

I can't say

that I wanted to know more of

the scriptures.

I wanted to know more theology and

I went to Bible College.

I worked nights at the shop and then went to Bible College during the day.

I was about five years shy of everything being online like it is today.

And so I did it the hard way the old -fashioned

way and they're not reformed.

I didn't know that was the term.

Yeah, I'm still new to all these things.

I didn't know these terms.

I said I was an old guy.

You know going back your

undergrad and the seminary library

and in the college was

like the lights wouldn't work back there.

You know, it's just way in the

back some of these books while I'm going through these not reform.

I'm going through these books and I see authors.

By the name of I see authors

Theology of Worship by turn of God

really didn't understand help me

understand some of those.

But nonetheless people that he quoted I went back and began reading.

Found that a lot of these publishing company called banner of truth and I

looked them up and began by

BB Warfield began reading that

redemption accomplished and applied John Murray.

Oh, yeah, and I just all forgotten

Spurgeon.

Well, I didn't know much of Spurgeon.

I didn't even know I had forgotten Forgotten

Spurgeon and I begin reading that yeah, and Murray.

Classic.

Yeah, and so I just and I I just went into anything I can find from

a wonderful time.

Took my oral exam and had to write a thesis and I'll never forget the prof who was kind of the

The head overseer of all that he said, you know, hey, we're passing yeah, I

know you don't agree with anything that you said, but We're passing you because you you

answered our question as I

was studying in a non reform.

What was it at JM voices?

How did he preach?

Where did he get the

God

hermeneutic?

But but from that

from that world and you begin

reading them through doctrine of predestination

you begin reading that

through tell you now that

there

was that

doesn't hold

because the Bible is in these.

That makes

sense or

that that answers the question.

Yes, really just cutting coming through it and you know and sometimes I didn't know like the

arguments between you know, the five points and whatever I Praise God, he kind of kept me from that and I

came to it afterwards when I would hear these arguments, but for me, it was just being in the word and

Having these men that God blessed his church with these

many centuries ago.

Just kind of

taking me by the hand and

amen.

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for pastor Jim Mento.

And again, our theme today is going to be Discovering the outward and ordinary means of

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Our guest today is Jim Mento pastor of Bible Baptist Church of Liverpool, Pennsylvania, and we are

discussing discovering the outward and ordinary means of grace in local

church ministry.

Well, first of all for those of our listeners who may be new Christians or they may be

Members of churches that are outside the orbit of reformed churches who might not

ordinarily no pun intended use Terminology like we are accustomed

to hearing.

But if you could define the outward and ordinary means of grace.

Order catechism.

What are the outward and ordinary means?

Whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption.

The outward and ordinary means the answer goes whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption are

his ordinances.

Especially the word all which are made effectual to

the preaching of the lens or the

ordinances and prayer

ordinary

Means they are

business

ordinances.

We see they are visible.

We see the elements of the table we

We

hear

outward and ordinary and the reason why they're

called not that

they're

they're a Simple

and then a time of prayer

and and and not that they're diminished or

something.

So so in that he communicates.

And it's his will to commune we

kind of get but

in our culture today ordinary before

well

while

we're at

it.

We might as well have you give a definition of grace

because Grace is a highly misunderstood concept.

I actually did.

Conducted a two -hour interview not long ago.

In fact, I would highly recommend our listeners to look that up on the iron sharpens iron

radio website iron sharpens iron radio .com if you look to

Podcast past shows.

You will find if you type into the search engine sasser s a SS

er you'll find very recent interview I conducted with pastor William

aka bill sasser on.

We'd spent two hours discussing that very one concept grace.

Because it is highly misunderstood we have

Even amongst evangelical Protestants.

Misunderstandings and disagreements.

The reformed within Christianity have a

somewhat different view of grace than the Arminian Evangelical Christians.

The Roman Catholics have an extremely different understanding of grace than

biblical Christians.

Cults use this word false world religions use this word grace and

people use it in common vernacular.

That aren't even Religious individuals at all.

So as far as what you see as a biblical understanding of grace.

Can you define that for us, please?

Sure.

Well,

it's of God the unmerited

love of God

when you

begin to unpack it

It just keeps coming.

We keep digging deep into it.

But as we as we just kind of deal with that one sentence and

what you just referenced highly recommended that

podcast.

Such thoughtful view and such thoughtful regard to Understanding

grace, but but just for for this time a lot of God's unmerited to up

as a Roman Catholic.

That was completely antithetical to what I was taught and

in the end books view of grace is nothing more than work.

You have to

try

to make it not sound as such.

Away the the enamel on her only understands.

It's because her tradition will only allow it to be understood and and local Catholic ministry will

only allow it to be understood.

Is that what you earn?

And sadly, like you said Chris, there's many in the evangelical landscape.

That's still consider grace as something earned something that

born with in an ability to To conjure or

know all of that is.

It's just another word for work grace.

And this is this is why I love the language of the Bible.

We don't get to define the words.

The words Had their own definition when they were being

used and even doesn't that term

even?

Unmerited favor doesn't that also need a little unpacking because I

Have heard and I think These men of God have aptly put it this

way that the grace of God that saves us is.

Even.

More specifically ill merited favor if I'm walking down the street and

A homeless person holds up a cup and I throw some change in there.

That was unmerited favor, but he didn't earn that money.

He didn't Do anything that would necessarily?

Make me think that I owed him that.

But if that person Who is homeless?

I had already discovered That he murdered everyone in my family and burned my home

down And I still gave him that money.

That would be more Comparative to what Christ has done for us, is it not?

It wasn't that he didn't know if he knew and knows that we are our rebels.

What you probe and what you come up

with we probe that

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Today pastor Jim Mento of Bible Baptist Church of Liverpool, Pennsylvania.

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Don't you think one of the reasons that we who are reformed need need to make a point of

The outward and ordinary means of grace is that throughout history there have been sadly Hyper

-Calvinists, we don't even believe that God uses means of grace.

They think that that's Arminian One Denomination and I don't want to broad brush because

they're not monolithic.

But there are many among the primitive Baptists.

Who will in a derogatory fashion?

Identify people like us as Being guilty of the means

doctrine heresy.

Because they don't believe that God uses means.

They don't even believe that evangelism is used by God to bring about the new birth.

So tell us in your own Words, why do you think it is so

important to discover the outward and ordinary means of grace in local church ministry?

There's a line there that the answer

says and

I just want we

the church need

Biblically what is the benefits of redemption?

Well as

we and I'll say

this in

an evangelical And I

usually have the ending

ish and

evangelical

is so dearly

Any Christian and isn't it good

that our

needs?

By which he would and indeed

as we do

confess even a glimpse

our

father Loves the Spirit of God is with us.

This is a Triune glory it

is so important.

Not just so that we could fly a banner badly,

even those that are on the right side of doctrine these days.

We have a tendency but

when those banners get planted deep into

the floor, whatever I

don't know

but world is not kind to

Christians work against us.

The devil works against us.

But our Good Shepherd provided means By which he would teach us communicate to

us commune with us.

And we don't have to innovate.

That's the other reason why it's so important to know these ordinary means to Recognize

rejoice in them kiss them

In in kind of the and I'll say this and kind of the the church culture that I was educated

in.

And then, you know found myself in once I was first saved.

And and have in some sense ministered in you know that that kind of circle tendency

to innovate we need to figure something out in order to keep people in

order to address the Really what boils down to the itching ears of people

and and the reality of every church is proud

what they would consider a means.

But sadly, it's not God's grace.

It might be the means of the celebrity preacher the means of the

relationships that really amounts nothing more than You know good civic

group pointed means of grace to bring a Christ

Unity would be to

manifesting and loving unity

through these means.

He communicates this blessing and so is it

it?

Takes away the the intensity or the temptation for the preacher the pastor the ministry team

the Eldership to to think they need to innovate.

I think the the means of grace that they

go hand in hand with what we Know as the the regulative principle of

the Bible tells us how to worship God tells us how to worship and he tells us by which by what

means that he will accept worship and it removes that

that temptation to kind of a lowercase p Epietism, you know

all of that because our hearts with

God does not like Our hearts will lead us astray.

There are days when I don't feel faithful.

There are days.

I don't feel.

Good and.

Any believer will say that word of God as a mirror to our

means of God's grace.

Are those solid?

Solid blessing it is.

It is the active blessing of God to where he communicates to us.

How blessed we are how loved we.

And again going back to our discussion of grace all by grace for the

struggling believer that doubting believer.

The answer is not try hard I to be more positive.

Provided it

reminds

the soul reminds the church and it draws the church these ordinary

means.

It draws them to less and

less.

Amen, we have Christian in Western Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Who has a question?

How are exactly are these elements within

the local church assembly Means of grace and how do we avoid?

when viewing them as such falling into the heresy of sacramental

salvation sacerdotalism and Sharing God's glory with men

in salvation.

Well again, the Bible tells us how we don't even

have to innovate with them.

We preach the will preach God's Word and it should be the prayer of every preacher

to

we

don't have to

be clever.

You'll be

both it and in some sense

I'm no pulpits

and

men preach the

call together that high point of that preaching word.

And then when we look at the elements, you know What does Paul say

to us as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup you proclaim the Lord's death.

And it's it so it removes Immediately when we go to the Word of God and and as Christ

Own words and instituting say the supper and and certainly the the ordinance of baptism.

It removes the self that it removes the person removes the spotlight on the person.

The table isn't a place where you go if you've earned all your merit badges.

The the table is the place where you go if you've been perfect that week that's the place where ruined

sinners saved by grace come and partake and See before their eyes and

beauty and glory and blessing of the cup.

So it's so even as those who administrate say the

sacraments or the ordinances, it's it's it's incumbent upon them to to

to to invite indeed.

The way we're called to invite and only put up the prohibitions that the scriptures themselves

put in place and so that added as well removes that I

purify or Or the man rather than bring

so then then we look at our prayer and really, you know.

All of this is in tandem with with the work of the church.

So if you're if you're preaching the whole Council of God, you're preaching God.

You're not preaching Five easy steps for you to feel more positive today.

You're preaching God.

You're preaching his cool.

That should shape our prayer that should shape our prayer as a church and a body that should pray shape our prayer as we

pray At home with our families and and in as Spurgeon called it our prayers closets.

Who is this God?

How are we approaching him?

The very active prayer should bring if you're under the word of God bring the gospel

Forefront who is my help in this prayer?

There's the spirit and so if

it all revolves around how has God revealed all that

we do.

As we confess in faith and practice, it's it's his word.

So the word.

Provides.

The parameter the

Explanation and the safe exposition and

then as I discussed before we were talking about those those gifts of God to

his church from from all time.

Because all whenever they lived they were they were gifts praise God to his church.

And so we we could see the confession

1689 of the Westminster the Heidelberg.

You you go to these confessions and and you see the

word and that helps us See them in the light of God's glory.

It's not bands.

And so.

Yeah, he's outward and ordinary means as they communicate Christ's what? blessings of redemption

even as that and Understand them as as we do all things

takes away the man and takes away the second.

I'll say that with all lowercase a thought because that's what it is

God's blessing to us to commune with him the God of glory the eternal God of glory.

And we have.

Anonymous listener who has a connected question.

I'm remaining anonymous because some of my dearest friends in the pastoral ministry are

Fundamentalists and also even some from the reformed faith.

Who much prefer the usage of the term? ordinances than sacraments in

fact.

Some of them get downright angry when the use of the term Sacraments

becomes a part of our speech because they cannot separate it from The

Romish understanding of that.

Is there a need to use the word? Sacraments or do you think that

it's fine just to refer to them as ordinances or is there something? Special in

using the term sacraments that you think really conveys the true meaning of what is

occurring.

I.

Use both terms.

When I use the word sacrament because of the circle that I minister in I'm also very careful to maybe

explain the word.

I don't think one has to be used as opposed to the other.

Consider

baptisms, I Don't know if there if there has to be.

But words are power convey.

Sadly.

Standing of one's mind that aren't in the.

Why is it sacred?

Well sacred doesn't elevate.

It doesn't elevate the element those kinds of things.

But it that's them.

I I I use both terms.

I can't say that I have to that's me.

I create more

arguments that that's me where I'm at where God has me at this point.

In my study I use both terms.

So.

Yeah, and even the greatly beloved hero of the Christian faith that is

Embraced by a hero Embraced as a hero.

I should say by many fundamentalists even outside of the Reformed Faith

Charles Haddon Spurgeon he used the term sacraments not that he is some kind of an inerrant guide in

the truth.

Sure.

He did not write any of the canon.

But he Is certainly somebody that many of us look up to

as someone that we can feel safe Imitating although being Berean while doing it.

I.

Think just to add something, you

know,

if you

use the word

such why we might use the word, but I understand I understand

the and.

Let's say we have another anonymous listener who says Because I believe so strongly in

everything you are saying today I think there is a need for the church to return

to a weekly observance of the Lord's Supper.

I think that the neglecting of the Lord's table is a neglecting of the means of

grace.

And I don't think it should be put off to once a month or even fewer times a year as

some.

Congregations and denominations have the practice of doing

comment on that.

I I think any time we neglect we are doing just that

and when we realize what the means of

hating the

blessings of redemption.

Why would we want to limit it

conference?

I I agree as well on the

other side of that I think body that

that doesn't we

run it out there the explanation with

without the Explained and

and I think that could harm

again.

There's

the seed.

Well sometimes

We need to know where our churches are.

Are they ready?

Do they understand and and so that it doesn't make us but

it does pastoral ministry and I think it's just about every time.

When it's it's it's a trench warfare we need to dig

in if this is a

blessing and I believe it is because The scripture say as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup

as often.

So why would we want to limit it?

Why would I thank the?

Joseph and South Central, Pennsylvania says on the one end of

the spectrum We have those that you've already mentioned that believe in a heresy of

sacerdotalism in sacramental salvation.

On the other extreme end There are those even amongst the Reformed and other

evangelical Protestants who believe that baptism and the Lord's Supper

are purely and solely emblems and memorials.

Where do we fit in the middle of these two extremes and What is exactly?

Happening during these ordinances if it is not saving us or

if it's not just a picture.

Hmm

reading I was

not reared

these things.

I'm.

Engaging.

Possible being preached

is not doing something.

I I'm at the point.

I would say cringe.

No.

Proclaiming the gospel according to God's meat God has provided what pastors and teachers proclaim the gospel.

Oh, man.

Oh, oh.

Every man woman and child that's born again needs to be proclaiming the gospel, right?

But there's those men ordained of God to to proclaim the gospel

to a local assembly week in week out and.

And we know what happens right?

It is the power of God unto salvation.

This is how we're sanctified.

So we're saved we're sanctified because it's God's power.

It's a monergistic work.

And so if these means of grace are indeed communicating those Redemption

blessings. What are they doing?

They're proclaiming the gospel.

What do we do with the table?

We proclaimed his death until he comes right there.

Paul is explaining what he died.

He rose again.

He ascended and he's coming again.

And so there's there's a gospel proclamation in the baptism.

We are baptizing with

what God has done in our souls.

I believe it's the

height of

the means are going to proclaim the gospel

their

adverse

grace unmerited

favor coming Lord's Day.

Did we deserve to have the gospel again preach

left to our God's

grace has provided this.

Visibly his gospel as the Word of God.

Boy,

it's

not adding something or extra or whatever

it's.

I don't mean to offend anyone or or I don't want Chris's

lines to be.

Running off the book directly

address

some things even this

gospel seen in.

Amen, and is it not or should I say are they not meeting the ordinances?

The Opportunity for we who are in the

body of Christ who are Sitting observing and listening to

the gospel and the truths of Scripture proclaimed The ordinances are

where we have our turn for lack of a better term to

physically invisibly and publicly participate in a

ceremony That is demonstrating that we agree with This

gospel being proclaimed that we love this gospel in this Christ

Being proclaimed and that we want to identify With not only what

is being declared but with those people surrounding us who are part of that

congregation.

The baptism obviously we Personally involved in once in our

lives, but the Lord's Supper is something that frequently Throughout our lives we

participate in and and we are over and over again demonstrably

Giving evidence that yes We love what we are hearing.

We believe what we are hearing.

We trust what we are hearing and We love and believe and trust in the one.

Who is being declared our Lord and Savior.

Jesus Christ our Savior is so

Wonderful, isn't he?

He's so good to his church.

Drink together.

And you know in a sense even in baptism what what unity hear that

gospel that we?

Believe the

moment a pass the congregation.

The moment we we just are almost to the point of giving

Maladies where we

might be

going

through

issue minded of the unity

who are

forgiven much we should yeah.

Because our Savior is good

provided even it also connects us not only with those that are

visibly and physically.

Around us at that moment actually in the same congregation

or outside near a lake or wherever these

means of grace are being administered it connects us with

The body of Christ universal throughout the ages going back to the very first disciples

who? practice these same ordinances.

I'm glad you said that isn't that good.

You know we're not alone right.

And and and so not only can

we say

which

again?

What a blessing.

And of course.

One of those ordinances baptism is Required according to the scriptures

To add us to the church.

Not that it saves us.

I don't believe in baptismal regeneration, and I don't believe as some in the

History of Christendom have said that water baptism is a requirement for the remission of sins.

I don't believe that but it is a command.

And it is what God uses as a means to add us to the the church is anonymous says it right in Scripture.

Again.

That visible blood being good to his church to

provide our eyes with proclamation of the gospel.

Yeah, and how good that is.

Yes, we are saved personally and individually.

He joins us unto himself and his

brought in.

So isn't that good as well?

You know that we're brought in.

That we might be brought in.

Well.

How do you explain that well?

We preach that we proclaim that we go to the word and exposit that.

But is it also so good of our Christ to provide a symbol.

To provide a.

Visible.

Blessing.

To the eye to proclaim the same thing.

There's Christ.

He himself went outside the camp.

He was to be the to be the sacrifice

To be the one who bore our sin.

He is our propitiation.

Yeah, it is a wonderful place

and I.

Love to hear faithful pastors remind the congregation.

When the Lord's Supper is about to be observed that only those who have been

baptized and our members of Christ Church are invited to

partake it seems obvious that among the

means of grace while the preaching of the gospel and evangelism

are Means of grace extended to everyone even the lost

the means of grace in the ordinances are only for those who are saved and

Obviously as much as we can humanly

See and believe that our fellow men and women

Giving evidence of being saved being evidence of being regenerate.

We don't know that infallibly when these individuals come come

to the leaders of a church and request baptism and then Those who have

members for years receive the Lord's table.

As often as that congregation observes it we are fallible and errant

in In our understanding and our knowledge of who are truly regenerate, but we

act Upon what we can know with

reason and with with any credible profession That those two

ordinances are only for those who are born again.

So isn't that a difference among the means of grace?

Yeah.

And and the prohibitionists here that prohibition

that you're not.

You're not a born -again believer.

Eat in an unworthy manner to

be.

Oh my so we need to

be

so careful.

Do you talk about the

sentence

forgiven?

Well, that's.

Our sin is forgiven in Christ, right?

So how are we worthy is only a born -again believers in Christ?

Not.

Not because we lived a good month or lived a good week or lived a good morning.

Leading up to the Lord's table.

She had the word or before the preaching word.

However, you know church administers, but.

Are we in Christ.

Amen, and we have to go to our final break.

It's gonna be a lot more brief than the other breaks.

So, please if you have a question, send it in immediately to Chris arms in a gmail .com.

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Amen.

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Who says if one of the things that the reformers championed? Was the

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Why is it that typically in most reformed churches only an elder will

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I'm very deficient in my understanding and perhaps a broader

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