American Holocaust with Dusty Marshall

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Join us for this exciting episode of Apologia Radio in which we talk with Hip-hop artist, Dusty Marshall about the dropping of his newest album "American Holocaust". Don't miss it. We also engage with an interview that will definitely get the steam going between your ears. Let someone know!

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All Access, you guys are as much a part of this ministry as we are. So thank you guys very, very much. So I am
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Jeff Durbin. They call me the Ninja. I had just a forewarning. I've been warning everybody today.
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I had my neurologist appointment today and brain PT, which includes electronic stuff.
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It includes all kinds of really crazy stuff. It was for like an hour and a half today, and my brain's a little bit sluggish today.
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But good news is that – I haven't announced this publicly. People have been asking me. Good news is that what has been happening, they discovered, is nothing chronic or serious, and they don't think it's permanent in any way.
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Just some other things. They're actually fixing everything, and they're confident that it's going to be okay. But in the midst of it, there's like two days a week.
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I have to do like an hour and some odd brain PT, which is really interesting. And so if I start talking about like lunch menus and just crazy stuff and colors and shapes and things like that, just give me the signal.
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Like, hey, you're not working any longer. And then I ended up with a Pastor Luke. What if you started shooting lasers out of your eyes?
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Yeah, laser beams out of my eyes. Was it like Clockwork Orange? I haven't seen
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Clockwork Orange. Okay. Never mind. Well, what is it? It's a movie. Yeah, I know it's a movie. I've actually never seen that either.
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Where they like keep your – it's like there's scenes from – Oh, where they're like – I've seen scenes from that. But yeah.
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It's a pretty disturbing movie. Is it really? Yeah, it's – And this is not an endorsement of that movie.
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No, but it's disturbing. Yeah, it's actually – I'll throw it out just for fun so you guys hear it.
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Like it's interesting. Like we've learned a lot about the brain. I've learned a lot about the brain in the last couple of months, more than I ever thought
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I would know. But we've learned a lot about the brain in the last hundred years, obviously. But we learned some really great things about the brain in terms of being able to heal the brain, fix the brain.
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And those – like the brain can't – they used to think the brain can't fix itself. Like it's a machine, and if it gets funky and broken, like sorry.
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Like it's – that's the machine. It can't fix itself. It's a machine that can figure out how to fix itself.
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Yeah, it controls other functions in the system, but it can't fix itself is what people used to think.
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Right. Evolutionary. Yeah. So we learned about something called neuroplasticity, and that's that your brain is, they say, plastic, and that it can actually reshape, reform, fix, communicate.
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And so, yeah, so the stuff that you do is like it's crazy stuff. Like I'm doing like really high -end like technology stuff, like just electricity running through things, like bringing my right side of my brain back into proper function.
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And then what else? Like other things are shooting like a laser beam in one eye while I'm having to answer questions while spinning in a circle to my right side so that my right brain is doing all the work.
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And just really crazy stuff, laser beams, literal laser beams into my head and trying to reactivate electrical processes.
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Lots of nutrition for my brain. I'm taking so many pills right now and things for my brain. I already feel a ton better, but after a day like today,
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I'm feeling like I was in a boxing match. Well, you just did a workout with your brain. Exactly.
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I was telling Pastor Luke when I got here, it was really weird. Like I left, and I felt this side of my, inside my head,
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I felt it like. I can actually see it. Like you feel like my forehead like pumping?
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Like I really felt because all the thinking, you feel the thinking, and you felt like because there's so much going on.
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One of these times you're going to come like out of an appointment, and you're not going to have any hair. Right.
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You're going to be like Professor Xavier. Right. Or I'm going to come out of the appointment reading your mind. I'm going to be like I'm so in tune right now.
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I know exactly what you're thinking. You're going to look like brain from Ninja Turtles. Exactly. All right.
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Hello to everybody. And you'll notice that we have a very special guest in the studio today. He is a member of Apology of Church.
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He's a man that we love a lot. And love what he's doing. And very excited about him, his ministry, his work, his skills, his giftings.
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And today we have something very special for all you guys watching live. You're actually going to get to watch his new music video, which is amazing.
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So this is Dusty Marshall, everybody. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I'm Dusty Marshall.
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Don't go see Clockwork Orange. Thanks for that. Let me just put that display there. That was from a past life.
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That's right, exactly. Yeah. I died. Unfortunately, everything you say, they will take as just a complete endorsement.
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And that you're totally fine with it. Yep. That's right. That may not be true. Oh, by the way,
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I want everyone to know this. And I love you and the Lord loves you. People oftentimes will say in the comments,
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I've seen this a lot lately. They'll say, hey, Jeff, Pastor Luke, did you guys get those tattoos? You had those before you were saved, right?
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No. No. Actually, my tattoos I got after I came to Christ. And we're going to do, actually, a video.
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We're going to do a video on tattoos and Christians. And that is going to be very interesting. We're going to dig into the text and scripture.
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And we're going to talk about that. So just so you know, if you guys are asking, no, I got them while I was in Christ. And yeah.
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So just thought I'd throw it out there. Do you see the live audience cuts in half right now?
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Bye. I'm actually surprised we haven't added them. Oh, is that the pagan symbol in the background? Oh, yes.
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Yes. And this not pagan symbol in the back. That's the tricetra, ancient symbol of the
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Trinity. Beat you to it. Beat you to it. Used by Christians. Oh, yeah. We beat all of you guys to it. We're putting it into the feed there.
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Tricetra, ancient symbol of the Trinity. It demonstrates the homoousius, one substance, three persons.
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This is, yeah. Someone will come in five minutes from the end and ask about it.
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Not pagan. Not pagan. So anyway, let's talk. So this is going to be an interesting show.
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I'm going to be kind of punchy today. I'm warning you because, again, my brain PT. Dusty. Yes. Tell us what you're doing.
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I have an album that I just recently finished called American Holocaust, and it exactly speaks on just what we're talking about, the
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American Holocaust in our nation that's happening with the preborn. 61 million babies have been murdered in our nation, and that's one of the main themes of it, but the overarching theme is a church that's departed from, greatly departed from calling sin sin for fear of offending pop culture.
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Okay. So that is the main topic, but the result of that is abortion continues to be legal in our nation.
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LGBTQ being given to our children, the family being broken apart.
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So yeah, that's kind of the overarching theme of the album, and I've just finished that recently.
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So give everyone a quick burst on, you mentioned Clockwork Orange and your past life.
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You said you died and came back. So I guess give everyone just a little blitz on your story,
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God's story in you. What did God do in your life? Who are you? So up until about eight years ago, well, eight years back,
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I was a full -time drug addict, drug dealer, criminal, trapped in addiction.
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I moved to Las Vegas to get my life together. I moved to Las Vegas to get my life together.
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Is that a punchline? It is. It is a punchline. Yes, it's God's punchline.
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However, in my thinking, God had plans for my life. I moved out to Vegas.
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I had a moment of clarity in the middle of the night while I was coming down off of drugs. What were you using?
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Prescription pills, every now and again, meth, pretty much anything I could get my hands on.
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But that specific night, I was using ecstasy. I was coming down off of ecstasy, and I had my moment of clarity looking at myself in the mirror.
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I hated the person I was, hated the person I had become, and it was like God was—
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I understand it now more than now that I understand the Bible, but I believe God was granting me repentance in that moment, like opening up my eyes to the truth.
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I couldn't see it before, but it was like the veil was gone after that, and I was like, whoa, my life is a mess.
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So, yeah, I reached out to a girl who had went to a local church in Vegas, and she invited me to come.
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I showed up, just heard the gospel presentation, was crying, breaking down, and then she took me back to the care department where she introduced me to a guy there who was a volunteer in the
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Celebrate Recovery program they had in the church. I got involved in that and got involved in discipleship in that program, and eight years later, almost nine,
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I've been sober still. I work with others in recovery and been traveling the country sharing my testimony and doing music at mostly recovery groups, prisons, and juvenile detention centers.
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I love you, dude. That's awesome. I know for me, I mean, it really resonates with me like coming down out of an ecstasy high, and I think that's a good place for the gospel to come into someone's life, right?
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Yeah. Because you come to a place of just lowness and brokenness, but that's not enough to save anybody, but it is a great place to minister.
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I think a great place to go preach the gospel is go to a rave around 6, 7 a .m., and then it's good.
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That's a good place to hang out and preach the gospel. Everyone's brain chemicals are just garbage. Then all the serotonin is gone, all the excitement, and they see themselves in the world for how it is and catch them before they try to go to sleep.
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It's actually a really great idea. It's a great idea. It really is. A church that I went to in Vegas would actually do that.
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They would go to raves, hang out there, give people waters all night long, and then around 5 or 6 a .m.,
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they would start helping people. So we're not the first to think of this. This is great. I thought we were on to something.
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Praise God. That's awesome. People are already doing it. That's great. Okay, but you're a very gifted artist.
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What's the appropriate thing to say? Do I say hip -hop artist or rapper? What's the appropriate thing?
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Probably hip -hop artist. Okay. Probably, yeah. I mean, to me, it doesn't matter. I don't pay attention to genre -specific things.
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I'm just like, this is what I like to do. Here it is. So tell us about getting to that place where you're a
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Christian and you're an artist, and you're very skilled at what you do, and I can't wait for you guys to see the video.
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Truly, stay with us. If you're watching right now live and you're thinking about clicking off, don't.
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You've got to see this video. It is moving, very, very moving and powerful. So what was it like?
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You're an artist now. You're doing great things now, but was this a part of your life before where it was a very big part of your life?
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How did that work? Yeah, so I was a secular underground hip -hop artist. I grew up in the L .A.
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area and did events and stuff in Hollywood, and my music was really dark, though.
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Literally, I was part of a crew called The Morgue when I was a secular artist.
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It was very dark music, a lot about drug dealing, and it was really terrible, terrible music.
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So obviously, I was a musician at that time, but I was also an addict, and then the addiction eventually took over any desire
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I had to do anything else. It was all about my addiction and my desire to do music, my desire to have relationships, whatever, was all based around drugs.
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So I lost my passion for doing music for about a year, and that is the time when
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I moved to Vegas and God really got a hold of my life. Through that time,
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I was trying to get healthy, and God was kind of leading me through this program, and I was out running one day, and I was listening to music, and I was listening to the
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Eminem Recovery album at the time. That's where I was at at the time. I had this moment where I was like, because music had always been my outlet regardless of Christian or not.
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It always had been an outlet for me dealing with things, and it was like, why aren't you writing anymore?
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I had this almost like an audible voice, why aren't you writing anymore? Why aren't you doing this?
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I was like, well, yeah, and I literally stopped what I was doing, ran back to my house, and started writing again, but I knew that I could no longer go back to doing secular or iffy music.
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It had to be 100 % for God. So I did, and my wife and I started a ministry and started traveling the country, and God figured the rest out for us.
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Praise God. I think we need to show everyone. Let's do it. Is that good? Yeah. So before we do though, tell everybody about the video, give us a background behind it, some of the meaning, some of the purpose, and then before we even get into it, tell everyone where they'll be able to go to get the album and all that stuff.
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Sure. So this song is called American Holocaust. The music video is American Holocaust.
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It's the title track for the album American Holocaust. The idea behind the video is
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I really want to show people the equality of life in and out of the womb.
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We are all created in God's image. We're image bearers of God. Therefore, we have equal value regardless of pre -born, not pre -born.
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So this video really makes you think about that, and the album, as far as the album,
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I'm giving your listeners early access to the album. The album actually doesn't come out until July 26th, but if your listeners go to i4cshop .com,
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that's i4cshop .com, they can get the album right now. They can get an immediate download and a little extra if they type in Apologia, then they'll get 10 % off, and I'm going to donate all the money
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I get from the album to you guys. Whoa. Praise God. Hey, guys, take advantage.
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You're going to get some amazing, amazing gifted artistry, music. It's awesome.
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You really will love this album. I've heard it. It's amazing. Dusty is incredible at what he does, and look, you're going to get a chance also to bless the ministry.
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Thank you for that, brother, so much. Just some background behind this as you guys prepare to watch it.
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The kids who are singing in this are kids from Apologia Church, and it's really them.
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Yes. Everybody in the whole video is from Apologia. It sounds excellent. Everybody you see here is Apologia Church, and Carmen is the director of the video.
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He did a great job. I was moved by it. I think it's amazing. And so, Isaac, let's get that ready to go.
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Actually, it opens up with Isaac's son. That's right. Yeah, Isaac's son is in here too. So this is like all
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Apologia Church stuff right now, guys. It really is. It's incredible. It's moving. So thank you,
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Dusty, for pulling this together and doing just a great job on it. All right, guys, so again, one more time, and you said
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I4C. Is it the letter C? Yeah, yeah. So it's the letter I, the number 4cshop .com.
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They can go get it right now. Okay, and they put in the discount code Apologia. At checkout. Yeah, put in Apologia at checkout, and you'll get 10 % off, and then
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I'll be able to know who got it from the show. Excellent. All right, guys. So Isaac, let's go ahead and kick it off. How do you describe abortion?
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Well, in the United States right now, since Roe v. Wade, we've had about 60 million children die via abortion in the abortion industry.
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One of the organizations, Planned Parenthood, kills about 1 ,000 children every single day in our country.
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There's about 3 ,000 children who die every single day in our communities across the
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United States, and they're killed through abortion. There's a number of different ways that you can take the life of your child in our country through abortion.
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You can kill your child via a pill. They have medical means of abortion through a pill that you take into your body, and it ultimately kills your child through a medication.
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There's also means of abortion that are most common in terms of the surgical abortion, where the doctor goes into the woman and essentially pulls the little boy or little girl apart, limb from limb.
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So sharp instruments and tools are forced into the woman to tear the child into pieces, literally into pieces.
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There's blood on our hands, on our hands, on our hands They're murdered on our watch, in our city, in our lands
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At the point of conception, DNA is in their strands But we kill them anyway, trade our children for our plans
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It's sad to see these dads who refuse to be a man We'll kill their own son, what was done to son of man
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I'm mad at the world, but I'm feeling like a hypocrite In my past, I was militant, apart from God, I'd kill my kid
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We're living in his world, a righteous God rightly judging us Suppressed and rejected in a self -inflicted genocide
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I search inside the scriptures for the answers to the reason why The wickedness within our heart, the root of where the sinner lies
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Die to self, lose your life, follow Christ as sacrifice Short -term pain, eternal gain, count the cost, he paid the price
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He did it all, what can a dead man do to hear the call? Abort his mission, keep on wishing, fisherman of men is
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God Our nation is killing children every single day
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Our hearts are wicked, deceiving, and need to change
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Oh Lord, we need you now, please hear us cry it out
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So many babies being murdered, that we're losing count
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Sixty million murdered in our country, that's a scary count Wombs become a death camp, trash can a burial
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American holocaust, more than all the soldiers lost in every single war
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It's an era marked in gore, the innocent defenseless Babies being torn limb from limb, and you're angry about our gospel call
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We aren't loving, well you never even went at all What is love, the God above gave his life to rescue us
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Now we must surrender trust, speak in truth and act in love Silence is a sign that we fear in men instead of God Oddly enough, we keep adding on commandments
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Thou shalt be kind, tolerant, and not offensive In other words, defenseless
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Just smile wide and wish them well, say God bless them So they'll think as well as they head to hell
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I fell into deception early on in my Christian walk Perception of evangelism was live it out and never talk
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Our nation is killing children every single day
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Our hearts are wicked, deceiving, and need to change
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Oh Lord, we need you now Please hear us crying out
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So many babies being murdered, that we're losing count
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I had one church, friends went to their church We'd like to start going to the mill And the pastor said, well we're really excited about that But we have one question, is it safe?
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And they came back and said, what do we tell them? And I said, tell them no Tell them it's not safe Tell them they may get spit at Tell them they may get hit
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Tell them they may get soaked with the sprinkler system Tell them they may get arrested even though they didn't break any laws
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And tell them if they don't go, babies will die And souls will end up in hell
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That's far more dangerous We need to stop being middle class
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American sissies And we need to be willing to fight faithfully with the gospel
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To save souls and unborn babies We need to be willing to take risks
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We need to be willing to look like not respectable members of society
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Our nation is killing children every single day
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Our eyes are wicked, deceitful, and need to change
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Oh Lord we need you now Please hear us crying now
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The immortal that will lose his power
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That's right It's high, it's super high That's right She says, my street credit is like this
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My street credit is like this, guys Alright guys, so that was an amazing, amazing experience, right guys?
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So, I encourage you guys all, I put it there in the live feed I know you can't click on it here on YouTube feed
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But I, the number, sorry, the letter I, the number 4, the letter C, shop .com
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Go there, you can put the discount code in, Apologia, and you get a discount And Dusty has graciously, and Crystal, right?
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Yeah Have graciously decided to give everything that comes in through that Towards Apologia Church Ministry And I think it's probably,
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I'll let you guys decide what you really wanted to do You want to go to Apologia Choir to end abortion now, it's up to you
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But, hey guys, get this as soon as you can Dusty also said, some of you guys asked for the t -shirt
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You can get the t -shirt also at that link, guys So pray for this What we're going to do, actually we were talking while that was going on We're actually going to put this video itself across all of our platform stuff direct
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And just be in prayer for that, that people would see this, that it would go viral Really believe that it needs to on a number of levels
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So, man, thanks for doing that, dude Absolutely Excellent job And thank you to everyone at Apologia Church, and to all the kids who did that video
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Oh, Brenly was the star of the video, I think I know, that's right, absolutely The brown, brown town
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And so, thank you guys so much Dusty, before we go to commercial break I really want you to share the story of your family
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I think people need to hear that Tell us about your family, tell us about your girls Yeah, so, back in 2014, it was just my wife and I But we found out we were going to be blessed with our first daughter
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But at 20 weeks, we found out that she had spina bifida And that's a neurotube defect
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Her spine was sticking out of her back So, long story short, we left everything behind We were living in Vegas at the time
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We moved to Colorado We stayed at the Ronald McDonald house right across the street Till our baby was due to be born
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They were trying to do a surgery while she was still in the uterus
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To close her spine up But they couldn't because they found a major life -threatening heart defect
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That she had in the midst of that So, the focus was no longer her spine It was her heart issue that they were focusing on So, they weekly monitored that up until she was born
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And they did a scan of her heart the day that she was born And it revealed no problems with her heart whatsoever
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Her heart was perfectly healthy, healed And that was a miracle of God But she did require the surgery to close the hole in her back
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Exposing her spinal cord She did have a shunt put in her brain But the doctors were really encouraging us
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All the way up until that point That she was born to have an abortion And it was something we would not do because of our faith
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We were going to trust God Whatever the outcome was And she was born, her heart was perfectly healthy
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The doctors, as I said, said she'd never have use of her legs She's four now She's walking on her own
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And she's a miracle A walking miracle of God And from trusting
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God in that We have two more beautiful daughters So, I have three daughters all together
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Four, three, and six months And our ministry irregular for Christ We travel the country
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We've always done it as a family We've always traveled as a family To share our story as a family I've wanted our girls to be there right along with us
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To see what we're doing And, you know, this year We haven't been able to do that as much
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Because of some health issues with my wife But the idea is When she's feeling better To travel as a family again
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Going to recovery groups And prisons and everywhere else Praise God, brother
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And they are beautiful Beautiful little girls I love Amnesty so much
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Not that I don't love your other kids But Amnesty is the sweetest She's always got something funny to say to me Praise God And you have a video up too
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Talking through that story Where can people go watch that video? Irregular for Christ Ministries on YouTube Or irregularforchrist .com
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Just how it's spelled out Irregularforchrist .com It's called Choosing Life for Amnesty Part 5,
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I believe Right on Okay guys, so we're going to take a quick break Stay with us, though, because we are coming back
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We were, my wife and I and family, we were all on the road together doing ministry and somebody was like,
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Hey, have you ever heard of Apologia Church or Apologia Studios? They're from where you're from. I lived in Ahwatukee at that time and I was like, no,
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I've never heard of them. So while we were on the road, we were literally, we were sharing a pro -life message, our daughter
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Amsty, her story. And we were very much pro -life, but we didn't really know what that meant.
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So we started watching your guys' content online on YouTube. Apology, all access, little plug right there.
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But we started watching your guys' content online and, you know, at first I was like the normal like,
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Oh, what these guys are doing isn't loving. Like I saw us like meal footage, like, oh, that's not loving.
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You know, like the typical, like from the sideline, not understanding what's going on response.
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So I turned it off and we kept going on the road and we had a long tour ahead of us.
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And I just kept watching your guys' content, kept watching your content. And God was slowly but surely like working on my heart in that time.
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And literally like, I know you're not supposed to do this while you're on the road. Like you're supposed to have a home church.
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But you guys kind of became our like home church as far as watching just the content while we were on the road.
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We were attending churches wherever we were at, but we were gone for six months, you know. So we were watching your content and I remember about two months into watching your guys' stuff.
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I had this moment where God had opened my eyes to what was really going on in our country with abortion.
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And I was like, okay, knowing what I know, I can never go back. I can never go back.
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Like I have to start going and doing abortion mill ministry like as soon as possible.
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My wife and I knew it. I knew it. Like we even did something that I don't ever recommend anybody else does is we were in New Mexico.
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And we were like, we're just gonna go, just gonna go. And literally like I walked into an abortion mill there and was like, do you guys do abortions here?
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And like we were in the parking lot and we had like a sign like we'll adopt your baby. As I said,
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I don't recommend anybody does that. But we were just like God had opened our eyes to it. So in that I started studying all of the material.
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I was watching like the conference that you guys did, the End Abortion Now Conference. And it started inspiring me to write a lot of these songs.
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You know, on the road in 2017, I literally started writing this album. And, you know, fast forward two years later, we got home.
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We ended up joining the church and getting involved. And I just continued working on this album.
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And, you know, it all just kind of came together from that. Praise God. And you know, and Dusty is proof.
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He is proof positive that not every man at Apologia has a beard. That's true.
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So it's just that you happen to see a lot of people at Apologia. On the content we have, the guys do just happen to have a lot of beards.
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But Dusty, is it true that not every man at Apologia has beards? Not every man at Apologia has beards.
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As a matter of fact, I would say it's the minority honestly have beards.
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Wouldn't you say? At this point, I think we have more non -beards. Fresh face. Yes. Yeah. So I saw the other day someone put like they said.
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What's with every man at Apologia having a beard? Was it some sort of a cult? And I was like, actually, it just happens to be the people you see the most have delicious beards.
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The rest are working through their femininity. I'm just joking. I'm just teasing.
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I'm teasing. I'm teasing. All right. So hey, let's get to it. Let's get to it. You know,
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Dusty, you'd be better to explain sort of what we're going to watch right now. So give us a bit of a background.
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What do we need to understand about this video before we turn it on? Before we turn it on. So a guy that I listen to and who's involved in the
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Christian hip hop culture, his name is Ruslan. He has a record label called King's Dream Entertainment. I really like his music.
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I really like a lot of the content he puts out. He's doing an interview with someone he knows who claims to be a pro -choice
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Christian who's a friend of his. He's his mentor, actually. Yeah. At one time was his mentor.
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And I will say that I did speak with Ruslan on the phone about this video. He is definitely pro -life.
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In this video, from what I understand, is he was just letting his friend get his point across and seeking to understand what he had to say on the topic and doesn't take that stance.
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But what his friend had to say on the topic of being a pro -choice Christian, I was just losing my mind as I was watching it.
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I had to send it to you guys to talk about on the show. Yeah, I watched it this morning. Honestly, this is one of the most infuriating things
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I've ever watched. It's like an hour long. It'll anger. I'll be honest.
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It angered me at times. And as we go through this, be warned.
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They even said, we're about to have people get triggered. It's like, yep, I'm triggered. Yeah. If there's such a thing,
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I am. So, anyways. Alright, so here we go. Let's go ahead and go right into it. You guys, raise your hand, raise your finger.
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It won't take long. Just do this. Just go like this. And then I'll know you want me to stop and say something. Alright, here we go, guys.
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One might be a little bit different. But, okay. Let's go ahead and roll with that assumption.
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So, someone is making a choice to do an act that could potentially get them pregnant. And then some would say, out of inconvenience,
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I'm not in a space where I want to have a baby. We can't financially provide for it.
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Or, legitimate, like, you're in poverty. And having a baby at 16 is going to radically change the trajectory of your life.
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I have a problem with then saying, I am in a position, because it's my body, which it is your body, but there's now a unique DNA, a person in that body.
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With a heartbeat, with all these different things, to then terminate that.
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Like, I have a problem with that act. You know what I'm saying? You know what? And so, I actually saw this, and I just thought it was the dopest argument that I just saw.
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Just on the face of it. And y 'all, like I said, y 'all can be mad. And it's fine.
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I just need y 'all to understand. So, the woman, because there was an anti -abortion free speech thing that happened at our campus, and it was showing aborted fetuses and everything in the most horrific manner possible.
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There was even some allusions to lynching and things like that. And having black bodies, strange fruits swinging from trees.
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And I was definitely offended, through the whole space and whatnot. But, so one of the women that was on...
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I gotta stop there for a second. Why? That'd be the question I wouldn't want to ask. Why?
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And I would want to ask this as respectfully as possible. But, why would it offend you? Yeah.
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When you see, you know, people hanging from trees and those sorts of things. Why is it...
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It's revolting, yes, to see image bearers of God treat other image bearers of God in that manner.
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No matter their color, by the way. Right. But, it is revolting. But, why would that offend you?
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That's the question I want to ask. Is it the comparison that's offending you? What is offensive about that?
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He doesn't illustrate what was offensive. But, I want to know what's offensive. For example,
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I think that it's important that we show our children. I think it's important that we show our children.
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Our black brothers and sisters who were beaten and mistreated. I want my children to see the backs of black people who were treated unjustly and inhumanely.
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And, had their backs whipped and who were tortured. I want my children to see that so that they are revolted by it.
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And, they have a deep -seated hatred for that kind of violence against an image bearer of God.
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In particular, the hatred for somebody because of the color of their skin. Or, the dehumanizing of a person because of the color of their skin.
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Is so anti -Christ and anti -Gospel. That I want my children to be raised with a hatred.
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Can you believe that people did this? I want my children to see the pictures of the dead bodies of Jewish people who were piled up.
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I want my children to walk through the Holocaust Museum to smell the room of shoes. And, I want them to be there in that space.
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To feel that and to be revolted by it. I want them to be offended by that. But, I'm wondering what he means by he was offended.
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He doesn't obviously illustrate. Well, we won't get to it today. But, at some point, it becomes very clear.
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He has a very strong dislike for white people.
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So, there's definitely a racial thing there that he's talking about. So, that's what
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I was wondering. Is it because of the category of black versus white?
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I'd want to, of course, ask and probe deeply to make sure he's not misrepresented. I don't want to slander the man.
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But, that's the question I have when someone says that. It immediately sets me to go, wait, wait, wait. What?
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What is offending you about black bodies hanging from trees? Which is disgusting and repulsive.
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And, putting that next to the chopped up black, white, yellow, and red babies.
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Let's talk about that. It's all the colors that are chopped into bits and pieces, right? I want to know what's offensive.
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Is it that you think people shouldn't be seeing it? Because, I got an argument for that. That, of course, they should see it.
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But, is it the comparison between black bodies swinging from trees and then all these other colored bodies that are dissected into pieces?
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Is it that you don't think that there's a comparison? That one is an injustice that is so much higher and worse and the other one pales in comparison?
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I want to know what you mean by that. Yeah, well, Dustin and I were talking about this earlier. Again, we're not going to get to this, but it'll be good to tie this into what we were talking about earlier.
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Ruslan actually brings up the argument about Margaret Sanger being a racist. And, Bruce Hoskins is his name.
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Dr. Bruce Hoskins. And, he says, oh yeah, I agree. No, I know it's terrible. But, his response is, essentially, then he starts to say, well, my concern and my question is that white people didn't seem to get concerned about the number of abortions happening until they started to be outnumbered by black people.
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And, then he gives him this whole argument. And, that's, I know, Dustin, I was listening to this morning and I was like, oh. I mean,
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I'll be honest, it was one of the most racist things I've ever heard. And, he's saying this. And, even Ruslan was like, oh, dude.
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He's like, I mean, I'm white. I'm one of those people. I don't think like that. Right. And, so, yeah.
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So, there's definitely. I've never met. I hate that it becomes a color of skin issue.
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Because, in the image of God, we're all the same. The color of your skin, it's laughable to me that someone thinks that they have, that their identity should rest in the color of their skin.
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I think it's laughable. But, yeah. I personally have never met a white person that has ever talked like that.
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I've never heard that. I'm sure there's some wicked person like that out there. But, certainly not the reason that the
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Christian church of whatever color has ever gone out to fight against the issue of abortion. It's because it's an image bearer of God and you're murdering it.
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Absolutely. And, with that, I know, because we're not going to get very far in this video. But, like, one thing
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Ruslan said there, which was great. And, you know, he talks about the baby in the womb and being the image of God and they're a person.
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One thing he, if he would have stuck with that throughout this video, it would have done him well. But, he starts, you'll hear him say a lot, he keeps saying the potential for life.
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And, they keep having that discussion. And, I was like, would you stop saying that? Because, at some point, they're going to talk about scripture.
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And, yes, it's definitely, you know, creating the womb by God and it's a life. But, then they keep saying the potential for life.
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And, again, that's just accepting the redefinition by the culture of death.
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Well, that's what Rowe said. It's potential human life. And, Rowe is diabolically opposed to science.
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And, what we know, obviously, about scripture, it's an image of God from conception. But, also, all modern biological science demonstrates that, at the moment of conception, you have all the biological components of a human being.
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It is a unique human life from conception. It's not potential human life. And, to quote that, to quote it today, and to use that argumentation, demonstrates that you are so far behind the debate and the discussion and the science that you really don't have any place arguing here.
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Because, you'll look foolish leaving a record like this. When you say things like potential human life, you don't want that on a historic record.
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Like, be careful. Because, 200 years from now, when abortion is ended and over and criminalized, you don't want yourself to be down as a public record.
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And, being watched in schools, where children are going, look at this asinine comment this person said at this time.
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That it was potential human life. How silly is that? And, so, yeah, it's so important. But, one thing, just to note, is one of the things that I think we should always pay attention to is watch for the borrowed capital when someone's borrowing capital about meeting and those sorts of things from the
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Christian worldview. And, are they being consistent with it? But, watch and see if the person is reducing themselves to absurdity.
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Watch if there's conflict and tension between what they profess to be true and what they're saying and doing. Is there an internal conflict between what their profession is and what they're saying and doing?
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But, also, I notice also that he's, obviously, he's arguing for the pro -choice position. And, he's using all the pro -choice rhetoric.
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And, perhaps, that's the problem. When you say potential human life, but, then, you're also saying,
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I saw pictures of dissected fetuses. It's like, well, we know why everyone in this debate is using that terminology.
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Fetuses comes from a Latin word that refers to the offspring, the newborn offspring of a creature.
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And, in reference to a human, it means baby. So, when you say fetus, you're saying baby.
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So, why don't we just say it as it is? Why don't we say that we had hanging black dead bodies from trees and dissected human babies?
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Why don't we say that? Well, the reason why we're not saying that is because it gives away too much.
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It shows too much. If you're playing poker and you're trying to be skillful in playing a game of poker, the one thing you don't do is you don't turn your cards over for all of your opponents to look at your hand.
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What do you do? You bluff. What do you do? You don't give away what's there. So, if this was a poker game, you understand why people are trying to bluff and to use sort of...
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I'm trying to slip something past you. I'm trying to make you think something that maybe is not really there because it's a game.
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And, if you think about this in those terms, when you're warring against the pro -choice position, understand that, in many respects, you need to think about it like that.
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You need to think about it not in terms of, we need to be deceptive, but in terms of the game they're trying to play, it's a bluffing game.
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And, they don't want to show you their cards. And, so, showing you their cards would be, yeah, it's a human baby,
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I know it's a baby. I can't tell you that because it means I'm going to expose my position. So, don't let it happen.
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So, I was going to say, before you play his argument that he thinks is, quote, dope, he doesn't even have the argument right, which we'll get into when you start playing through it.
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He completely butchers the whole thing. But, anyways, I just want to throw that out there. Do you want to have something to say, Joy? I was just going to say, yeah, the encouragement here isn't to slam every person that attempts to meet the person they're speaking with halfway.
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The encouragement is you don't have to meet them halfway. You don't have to pretend like this is a neutral thing.
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You don't have to feign potential life for the sake of your opponent. You can just say the truth.
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You just can. And, it's the same sort of thing in evangelism. I get it.
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When you're starting out, you all have the propensity to be like, well, I believe the
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Bible says this. It's okay to just say the Bible says this. I get it.
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Because of how a lot of us that are currently in this little reformed niche of evangelism, because of how we were raised, the world we grew up in, we have this desire to kind of meet the person halfway.
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But you just don't have to do that. Yeah, and I'm so glad. Joy always makes such great points.
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I'm so glad you brought that up because that needs to be highlighted too. Imagine for a second that all four of us, we go back into time.
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Let's say everybody who's watching this all over the world. We go back into time during, let's say it's 1850.
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It's 1850, right? And these debates are happening. The debates are happening over slavery and all the rest.
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Imagine now you're in those debates and you're warring against the injustice of kidnapping and enslaving black people.
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And you're quoting scripture where God says that this is a capital crime. You cannot kidnap and enslave a person. You're fighting this battle in your country and trying to get slavery ended once and for all and criminalized.
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Now let me ask you a question. You're in those debates now. It's 1850. And your opponent who is trying to argue for the right to kidnap and enslave other human beings who happen to be black.
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They're in the debates, public debate with you. They're using words like the Negro or they're using words like these creatures.
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Can I ask you a question? If you're in those debates in 1850 and you're now trying to war against that to end it, do you grant that we should take that language away from them?
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When they refer to black people as these creatures or these beasts, right?
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Do you think that we should take it away from them and start saying as the Christians who warred against it did, these image bearers of God, these human beings?
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Because that's what they did. You realize that, of course. That's how the argument became restructured as they began to war against the language, the battle of the language.
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They took away things like beasts and creatures and all the rest. And they use language like image bearer of God.
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These are image bearers of God created equal as image bearers of God. These are human beings. They're part of our species, right?
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Because people were trying to treat them like they were not, like they were lower than us. And oh, lo and behold, not very long later, we had another problem where there was a collection of human beings that were treating other human beings like they were creatures and beasts.
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And they were saying, I know it looks like a person. It's not a person. It's a Jew. And I want to ask you, do you think that we should allow that kind of language just to pass in the discussion?
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Or no. I'm going to argue, no, take it away from them. And part of what gets people to buy into the pro -choice or pro -abort movement is the language itself.
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My body, my choice. Keep your theology off my biology. Right? And things like that.
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You have to take away words like fetus from them to say, but that's a scientific terminology.
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Yeah, that's not how you talk about your children. Right? Oh, look, my fetus grew up. Isn't that wonderful? Like this is my child.
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No one talks about their kids that way. Why don't you call it what it is? That's a baby in your womb. That's a baby.
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You know what's amazing? I now have two grandbabies cooking. It's amazing.
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I have my own daughter has a grandchild growing inside her womb. And now
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I found out last night that my son and his wife, my daughter -in -law, they're having another child.
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And you know how we're talking about this? Baby. You have a baby. What do you think?
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Is it a boy or a girl? If it's a boy, what are you going to name him? It's a girl. And you know what's amazing, too, is now
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I've been to the doctor. I've been to the doctor now with my daughter to go do the ultrasound and everything else. And you know what?
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They never, ever refer to what's inside her womb the way that we do in the pro -choice, pro -life debate.
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No one's ever doing it. They're like, your baby. Oh, your baby's moving. Even when you tell, as a person who's currently pregnant, when you tell anyone in public, they're never like, oh, what are you going to do?
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They're always like, oh, awesome. Congratulations. The assumption is never to kill your child, ever.
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That's right. Yeah, we just, I think we just, somewhere along the way, we picked up the idea that it's loving to let people have their own thoughts and ideas and their own beliefs.
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This is one of his arguments in here. But that's not loving. That's certainly not the approach that we would take to,
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I mean, Dusty, you can attest to the fact that that is not the approach you would take to someone who is consistently, a young man that's consistently finding himself in juvie and then consistently going to jail.
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It's not the approach we take with drug addicts. We don't, if someone, if someone is wrong, it's not loving to just be like, oh, well, you know, we'll just let them have it.
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We're not, that's just not, it's not, well, we can see the fingerprints of that all over the way that people think in our country, but it's not loving.
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Just hold people's thoughts and ideas to consistency. You don't have to play the game.
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Yeah, and I was reading, it's interesting, this morning at our breakfast table, one of the verses that stood out to my wife and I is
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Proverbs 27, verse 5. It says, better is an open rebuke than love that is concealed.
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You know, speaking on what is truly loving, which is to tell someone truthfully and openly instead of just multiplying kisses and, you know, letting them hear whatever that makes them feel good.
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It's like, no, it says that a better is an open rebuke than love that is concealed. So if we're concealing love for, concealing our love for someone, we're not telling them the truth, right?
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We're just pretending. And I think in this instance, I know Ruslan's seeking to just hear his point and understand, but the issue is always when we start with culture rather than the word of God, right?
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When we start with language of the culture or we think that things of the culture are our answer to problems rather than starting with the word of God, like, oh, yeah, we have the word of God over here.
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And I know that that's the absolute standard of truth. But what I need to do is I need to keep that in mind but I need to use what's culturally relevant to argue this fact and not use scripture and not be consistent.
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It's cultural. All right, guys, let's get a little bit more here. This guy who was clearly pro -choice just made this sign and said, okay, quick, you got to make a decision.
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You can save 100 fetuses or you can save a human being. Go. And I was just like, damn, that's a really good argument right now.
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Being that me as a person, me, I would save the person, not the...
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False dichotomy? Yeah, well, see... 100 fetuses or one human? Yeah. You're talking about the same thing.
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Yeah. Right? And so the actual argument is that if there is like one of the snowflake babies, so it's fertilized embryos, right?
01:03:33
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the argument. If there's 100 of those in the... In a cryotank. Yeah, and it's burning down but there's one live baby, which one are you going to save?
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And it puts in this false narrative, essentially like you have to pick one or the other.
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And I think this is the stupidest argument because I'm like, no, most people would actually try to save as many as they could.
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Right. Like I'm not going to just, oh, pick the baby and the rest, sorry. Right. Like you're going to go in there and you're going to try to save as many as you can.
01:04:02
It's a stupid argument. Well, yeah, it's trying to give somebody this moral crisis. Yeah.
01:04:08
And thinking that somehow answers anything in terms of what's wrong in the issue of abortion. If I give you a moral crisis right now, like, you know, hey, your wife and your four children are hanging off a cliff.
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You got a chance. You got a chance to save either your four children or your wife. Right. Like, pick. It's like, you think that giving me that kind of like crazy conflict is somehow going to help your argument in some way?
01:04:31
Yeah. It's not. We're talking about human beings. like we're just talking about culture. You don't, morality isn't established by what, which, like which group, culture tells you to love more.
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Like, so if you, like in answering the question between your wife and your kids, you have to decide who you love more.
01:04:51
That doesn't actually reveal who you love more because that's not, if you saw your family hanging off a cliff, you wouldn't think like, hmm, who do
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I love more? Who do, what's more beneficial for me? It would just be a rescue operation.
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It's the reason why we don't indict firefighters who have to leave people in buildings for murder.
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Right. It's because it's not like a moral, that's not. You're not a moral failure. Right. Because you decide,
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I guess I'll pick, I guess I'll save them because they're closer to me. Right. Or I've got an opportunity to save the,
01:05:26
I guess it's just not. It doesn't reveal morality. Exactly. It would reveal maybe potentially what the person physically was capable of saving at the time.
01:05:37
Yeah. But generally it's just not, it's not even, it sounds, it sounds very slick, but it's lazy.
01:05:43
It is very lazy. Well, and the fact that he butchers the, the argument actually makes it worse for him.
01:05:51
Well, yeah. Because now you're saying, oh, there's a hundred fetuses, which means they have to be growing in their mom's tummies.
01:05:58
Right. So there's a hundred of them and he's going to pick the one that's already alive. But the other ones, no, like it actually makes it more evil and vile for him to be like, oh yeah, obviously it's the, it's the baby that's already alive.
01:06:09
Yeah. I got that argument at that same rally that you were at quite a bit. The, the rally that you showed with the, the vagina warrior.
01:06:18
Yeah. That's, I had that same argument that day. Same thing. Like you, you, what would you choose the, the baby at a hundred?
01:06:24
Well, I was like, well, there's a hundred, so I would probably choose that, but that doesn't make it right or wrong.
01:06:30
Yeah. I'm not happy about that decision. No, humans dying. In the instance of an abortion, you're not actually talking about two lives in danger.
01:06:38
When a woman walks in, you're not talking about like, we need to make a decision between the mom and the baby.
01:06:48
That's not what's happening. Less than 2 % of the time. That's what, that would be what's happening.
01:06:53
But even then that is just a cultural argument. If you went to a doctor, if you go into a planned parenthood and you say,
01:06:59
Hey, this baby is at risk. Like my life is at risk because of this baby, you know, a planned parenthood would say, but if you went to a doctor, the doctor would say, like, let's figure out how to, you know, that, that is what the, if you show up to, we actually are very fortunate to live in a country where if you show up and your life is going to end because of a medical thing, they have to treat you regardless of if you have insurance or if you're born or not.
01:07:32
And so I don't know. It just doesn't, it doesn't, that argument doesn't really reveal anything about the, it's a, that's a silly game you play with your friends when you're hanging out and you're trying to decide, would you rather, would you rather save me or this other person that has nothing to do with, would you rather, would you rather lick a razor blade or, or drink camel pee?
01:07:55
Like, you know, it's like, it's the, would you rather stuff? Yeah. But actually if you read Proverbs chapter 26 verses four and five,
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God says, don't answer the fool according to their folly, lest you be like unto them.
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And then it says, answer the fool according to their folly, lest they be wise in their own conceit. So let's draw back for a second.
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It's brought up. Someone says, would you kill? Would you, would you allow the hundred to die or the one to die?
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What would you do? Now, first stop and think for a moment, what are they doing? They're borrowing capital from your worldview as a
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Christian. What is that? That's people, human beings are valuable and that it's a sad, hurtful thing when human beings are wounded, hurt, die or whatever.
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Injustice is perpetrated upon them. So note for a moment, the borrowed capital, the pro choicer says you save the hundred or the one.
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What do you do? Notice for a second, what they've done. They've abandoned their position where they say that we ought to be able to kill human beings in the womb at will.
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One life is insignificant. According to them, whatever, kill the baby. And what they do, they stepped into your perspective into your worldview.
01:09:00
They offered no self refutation. All they did is borrowed capital about human value and dignity.
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And they said, what do you do? There's 101. You go, I don't want anyone to die. And what they do, they stepped into your position, refuted nothing.
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And all they did was they showed you, you believe humans are valuable. Do you want a hundred to die or one to die?
01:09:20
Well, you need to do a step back into their position and say, uh, stop for a moment and look at your feet. You're not supposed to be arguing like this because in your position, no human beings in the womb are ultimately valuable.
01:09:33
None of them matter. So in order to make this argument work, you have to now leave your position, which says that humans in the womb are valuable at all.
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And some humans can just be dismissed at will. And you have to step into my position, which I believe human beings are valuable, which means now you have to borrow capital that says human beings are valuable from me and leave your position.
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So answer the fool according to their folly. Say, you don't get that. You don't get to have the human value and dignity.
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Remember, you believe that human beings in the womb are worthy to just toss out, throw away, dissect, burn, chemically suffocate, all the rest.
01:10:08
So I want to point out to you that you've stolen from my worldview in order to argue against my worldview.
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And you're not supposed to be doing that. And you, and you pointing that out is showing that he's a Christian stepping into a, an atheistic worldview to borrow from their capital to make his argument.
01:10:28
Right. Absolutely right. Right. So that's right. All right, guys. So let's do just a little bit. Are we way over? We're at one 10 or an hour 10.
01:10:35
I mean, so we're done here. Done for today. Okay. Okay. I got to make a comment though.
01:10:40
Okay. Go for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not related to that, but someone that's been driving me nuts in the comments right here.
01:10:47
So, um, so one, one argument that, that Bruce Hoskins makes essentially is he says that, well,
01:10:55
I'm not, I'm not for abortion. I'm against abortion, but I'm for choice is what he says. And he says, we should have a choice, whatever.
01:11:01
So there's a guy in a comment thread. I'm not even going to mention his name. That is, has been saying essentially the same thing. The point
01:11:06
I want to make is he said that, uh, Americans voted for abortion.
01:11:13
No. So I have to lovingly, absolutely rebuke you and say that is absolutely false.
01:11:19
Um, now we have States like New York who just passed full term abortion, but the people did not vote for that.
01:11:25
That was a law that was passed by legislators, legislators. And there, there's been no vote done by the
01:11:32
Americans to say that abortion is okay. And again, Roe v. Wade was a Supreme court decision was not a vote and not a lot of law and not a law.
01:11:41
And I will say here in Arizona, it's the exact opposite. The people did vote against abortion and it is against the law.
01:11:48
It is a crime and they're not enforcing it because of a Supreme court decision. So I just want to clarify that, uh, for those that are watching, by the way, subverts our constitutional absolute
01:12:00
Republic. Um, when you have a Supreme court opinion given that is then treated like legislation, it subverts the way our constitutional
01:12:09
Republic supposed to work. And the constitution says that it's Congress who creates laws. Congress creates laws, not the
01:12:15
Supreme court. So the Supreme court ruling or opinion in Roe is not a law.
01:12:21
It's not like Arizona right now. AZ dash 13 dash AZ 13 dash 13. Three six zero three is a law that criminalizes abortion.
01:12:28
Currently in Arizona, it's never been changed. It's on the books. It's real been strengthened. It's it, it has only been strengthened.
01:12:34
Exactly. Um, and uh, even in these recent news reports, I've seen a number of them.
01:12:39
Even the news reporters in Arizona now are recognizing and agreeing that Arizona has a current law on the books, criminalizing abortion.
01:12:44
It is current. It is real in place today. And the only reason it's not enforced is because we have been deluded in this last generation to not even understand how our system of government works.
01:12:56
it was actually specifically set up, uh, with a very Christian framework, Christian worldview, um, uh, to avoid calamities like Roe versus Wade.
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But unfortunately, uh, we're not educated enough in our system to know how it's supposed to operate.
01:13:11
And so people actually believe actually, actually the vagina warrior on a video. Yeah. Yesterday that for those of you guys that are new to it, you're just stepping in now.
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Look at the videos in our feed. Last one we uploaded last night, apology of studios is the vagina warrior.
01:13:27
I had a discussion with her at the state Capitol. She comes up to me at the very end, go check it out. She puts her hands on me at the very end and she says, uh, you know, just so you know, uh, it's a law and like, it's legal in all 50
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States. And I was like, well, just so you know, it's not a law. It's a court opinion. It's not how our country works.
01:13:44
And it is illegal in Arizona right now. Well, and it's still murder. Like it doesn't, it doesn't matter if it doesn't matter how many people come together and decide to save one baby versus 100 fetuses, as he puts it, which are just also babies.
01:14:00
Right. Um, all that reveals is which one you think is more important, but it's not really up to you.
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