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Hello there, this is AD Robles and you're listening to AD on the Fight Laugh Feast Network. Alright, alright. Today is the day we are going to be addressing this weird Interaction this weird moment between Canon Plus, Canon Press Doug Wilson and Al Mohler.

It all started on September 8th when Canon Press on their Twitter page Proudly announced that they were going to be including content from Dr. Al Mohler on Canon Plus. They were going to drop some new content and they were you know they were kind of announcing it using it as a way to get you to sign up because of course you wouldn't want to miss the Special Al Mohler content on Canon Plus.

Now I did not recognize the content and any of the names of the titles that that they were promoting. But you know I did have a very similar reaction to a lot of people and so What I wanted to do in today's episode is I want to talk about my kind of my thoughts as it happened you know my reaction to it and I wanted to do that in a in a very kind of You know authentic kind of way.

Obviously, I can't time travel. So what I decided to do was talk about it while I was fishing. So I went out fishing this morning and I talked about sort of my initial Reactions to what Canon Press had announced and then I want to talk about something else towards the end because I think that this is actually The the the actual Al Mohler content in itself is almost like not even the the most interesting thing about this interaction.

There's something that's much more interesting. So I want to get to that. So here's the first part and if you have the opportunity to watch it on video Versus podcast go ahead and watch it on video because I I'm fishing while I'm doing this.

So you'll some of the stuff you won't quite understand as I'm as I'm saying it, but in any case I'll see you back in the studio after the first I guess 10 minutes or so.

God bless. It's kind of a dreary day today.

The fishing has been alright. I've caught five or six Pretty small ones for the river. I've been catching some big fish here and I haven't gotten a single big one to bite. I did have a funny thing happen to me a fish jumped right at me and I almost fell into the water because of it.

Initial Reaction to Canon Press Announcing Al Mohler Content

And so I'll probably if the video is good on that. I'll share that video. But I wanted to start this week's podcast off just with my kind of off-the-cuff reflections of what I thought when I saw that.

That Doug Wilson, or I'm sorry that Canon press was excited to announce That they were going to be including Al Mohler content on their Canon plus app. Because I have a feeling that my reaction When I first saw that was very similar to most of you you guys I couldn't I couldn't understand why they were doing it and and the thing is like I I think a lot of people, you know, you kind of reacted to it on Twitter pretty negatively and The kind of the overwhelming response that I saw.

Were people saying, you know, listen, I all stuff has been very helpful in the past and you know Obviously, I'm not saying I'm not gonna disagree with him where he's wrong and and that's great. You know, I'm not I'm not really against that, you know, you know if you you don't want to read, you know Al Mohler stuff.

But you know, you chew the meat spit out the bones. I mean that's on you. That's that's totally fine. But but this struck me as different this wasn't like you're reading content from someone that you know has gone woke and You know, you're getting the benefit from it, but spitting out the bones.

Everyone knows that you can do that. This was more celebratory like oh great. We have Al Mohler content now and That's a lot different in my opinion. And they were trying to use it as almost a way to get you to buy the app like Al Mohler content is so Helpful that you should get this app.

So you have access to this exclusive. That's what it seemed like there's exclusive content and To me that's very different. And the thing is the other thing that I wanted to say is look it's okay to if you think Al Mohler is very helpful.

And you want to celebrate his helpful content. That's fine. But in this context in this climate really I mean because here's the thing like like I could see a similar objection being made. You know you include.

Oh, here we go. We got one. Yeah. Yeah, that's a bite. That's a bite and I make sure to come up to dab me again. It's a small fish, but But he bit the Biggest one of the day. I mean, it's not big to give you an idea of how my days been going this is the biggest fish of the day probably and It's not big at all.

So let's uh, let's get this guy off. Oh my gosh. He's gonna he's gonna hook me. He's gonna hook me. That's for sure. I gotta pay attention here. I don't want to get hooked. He's feisty but small. So here we go.

This is the probably tied for the biggest fish of the day again. This is not a big fish. But hold on a second here a picture of this. I like to take pictures of all my fish because I log them just to see like proper conditions and stuff like that that guy's a little too small to keep.

I could have you know, you could eat a fish like that, but Really not that much meat on them. But anyway as I as I untangle this mess here, let me Catch up to where I was so I could see a similar objection Being laid out for RL Dabney, right?

Let's just say, you know, I don't know if Dabney stuff is on Canon Plus. But let's just say it was right and they made an announcement that they're so excited. They're gonna be you know, including Dabney's content now.

Dabney is very helpful. You know way more helpful than molar I would say but you know, he also had some racist beliefs. I could see a similar objection being being made for Dabney, but but here's the difference though.

Here's the difference. Dabney, let me just check my line here. All right, Dabney is long dead. He's not actually subverting the church anymore. I mean people like his stuff, but people are also aware of his deficiencies.

It's not like anybody hides them. This is something that we're it's we're you know, it's well understood. He's not hurting the church anymore. He's done Molar is in the middle of his subversive, you know, you know plan.

He's he's still doing it and Many people are still you know Kind of duped by some of the stuff molar has said and then he's undone them. He's like and people call him the weather vane for a reason. He's like he's he's he's he's he's he's following the Winds of whatever people are, you know, whatever people are into and and stuff like that.

However, he thinks he can have power he starts to adjust his doctrine accordingly and Because of that fact because he's currently active and he's currently still subverting the church in many ways. Regardless of how helpful this particular content is.

I think it's a mistake to throw your weight behind out. And and and and and the thing is it's not like canon really disagrees with me that I'll subverting the church. I mean even if you look at the responses that people gave to defend the act.

They were they acknowledge that he's part of this woke virus at least to some degree. And so I don't know that I'm not gonna say it's sinful to do that because you know, obviously. You know, that's that's a judgment call.

I mean if you think Al is a complete capital a charity then of course, it would be sinful to platform him positively but I don't think that canon and And the people in Moscow really think that way because and this is actually something I want to talk about and I'll talk about it after I'm done fishing here back in the studio, but but part of their whole theology and and and this is I think a Good thing in their theology.

They've got a pretty big tent and so they're gonna have a lot of grace for people like Al Mohler and. And I think that there's definitely a good part of that. But also I think I don't know. I think this is a mistake.

I mean if you read the times I mean these people are there they're in our walls and they're subverting people and they're experts in our language. They're experts at the language of evangelicalism. They're experts at the at the The way that evangelicals think and speak and and because of that they're super super dangerous.

So I think it's a mistake I'm not gonna say it rises to a level of sin. Necessarily because I don't think that's the case. But it's a mistake to platform Alan this way and I think that When you see how Al's risk we're gonna talk about his response as well Al Al knows what time it is, right?

Al knows what time it is and he needs to subvert. Certain people that's what he's doing. Just to be honest he's subverting people and he knows that if he's associated with Moscow that hurts his power that hurts his perception and So he knows what time it is.

I just I don't know I mean, I don't think the people at Canon are naive I think they really here's what I think a lot of people are saying. Is it a is it a troll? Is it like a deep-covered troll or whatever?

And and I don't think it is. I think that these guys They kind of knew what the reaction would be. So maybe in that sense It's kind of a troll. But I think that they really do like this content which which is interesting because they were successful at making me interested in what?

Al Mohler said in this content. So I normally if Al Mohler had put out a book or speech like I wouldn't really care to To really check it out, but I am gonna check these out. And so maybe these are like super helpful.

Maybe these are will help me understand the times better. I don't know and if that's the case then then that's fine. So they were successful at getting more people exposure to it. I don't know but I still think it's a mistake.

I still think it's a mistake. And so we're gonna talk more about this after I'm done fishing I'll get back to the studio and we'll go into it a little bit more in depth. But that's that's my kind of like my raw reaction, right?

I I think it's a mistake. I don't think it's a sin. I wouldn't have done it. And I think you know with the with the the troll aspect to it, you know, they do the the discount code Mohler I think I don't think that was the plan from the beginning I think that was just them making the best of it.

You know because Al responded so negatively and the way that they respond to negative, you know. Negative press or negative energy. They they make light of it. They use it to their advantage. I think that's a good thing.

I'm glad they did that but I don't think that was the plan all along. I heard I saw somebody say that he thinks that they were trying he thinks that Canon was trying to make Al choose a side. And I don't think that's what it was either.

I mean if you didn't know Al was gonna choose the side he chose. I don't know. I guess I don't know what to tell you because that should be very obvious. But in any case, thanks for for listening to this Fishing side of the podcast and now we're gonna get back to the studio and go in a little bit more depth.

God bless you. I hope you found this part of it helpful. I'm gonna get back to fishing. Yeah, yeah, so so that's my. That was kind of my initial reaction and I you know, I did take some time to think about it.

Because I just wanted to make sure I was thinking through what I thought. Well, and I I'm still basically where I was right away I mean, I maybe nuanced it a little bit but but yeah, it was just such a weird weird interaction all in all and so what I wanted to do today is I wanted to talk about sort of what happened after right because Canon press, you know announcing this it didn't make anybody happy like I like I found that to be very interesting and that was one reason why I think a lot of people thought it was maybe a troll because You know people that like Doug Wilson and the people from Moscow, you know, the CREC folks and things like that.

Very few of them were happy about this announcement, right? And I think that was very predictable like, you know, I Don't think that that they they they didn't know that a lot of their their fans and their subscribers would be like how molar.

Really like I think they knew that right, but they went ahead and they did this anyway. And then Al Moller's fans like like his his fans. They weren't happy either because they as far as they were concerned.

This was Al Moller teaming up with. He who shall not be named Doug Wilson and they weren't happy about that either because Al Moller is you know. Supposedly this winsome, you know sort of this is the way a conservative ought to be.

You know that kind of thing and Doug Wilson is persona non grata. I mean, he's might as well be a leper to a lot of these people. And so I That's why some people I think we're thinking it was a troll because it was like Who does who was this for who does this?

Please like are are they really expecting people a ton of people are gonna be whether they like Al Moller or they like Doug Wilson or both or they're gonna be like, oh I gotta set up for Canon plus because they got the Al Moller content, right?

So that's why people thought it was a troll. But I actually I don't think it was a troll. I don't think that's what it was. I thought I think that Canon Canon press Believes in this content. I really think that they do in fact.

That's actually what Doug Wilson said in his blog post if you go to this this was kind of a quick blog post he posted after Al Moller had responded to it and. And all of that and and he says this he says Al stuff back then was really good and we stand behind it.

Unlike Al apparently. So so so so Doug at least knows and I don't know how involved Doug is with what Canon press is all about. I mean, obviously he's somewhat involved, but a lot of people think he's like running the show.

I don't really think that's how it is. But but at least Doug Wilson knows. Yeah, Al's falling off, but he's like this content is really good. He stands behind it that he believes in this content and I really think that that's what Canon press was doing.

They thought that people would be edified by this content now I've not seen the content, but I'll tell you what after this whole Debacle, I'm gonna be I'm going to be listening to this content for sure as soon as I have a spare moment I'm gonna be doing it.

So in any case, I think they really do believe in this content but I want to before I do I want to get into Al Moller's response to this because Al is. You know, like I said, he's a he's a consummate politician and he will he does whatever he feels is gonna make him Look the best and I think that's one of the keys here you know Al Moller is is the consummate sort of I've got to work on my image, right?

He needs to make sure that his you know. His fans and stuff like that feel like his image is squeaky clean. And I think that to be perfectly honest with you because he's such a politician in these ways.

He's not trustworthy. Because I think Al Moller in many ways is double-minded because he's trying to serve two masters. He's trying to serve God but he's also trying to serve the public because he wants to be thought of as as someone that He wants to be well thought of by people, you know.

And and I think he he ends up turning as himself into pretzel trying to please a lot of people and and of course this is. It all depends on the time you catch Al because you know recently he's like well You got a vote for approach pro-life candidates and he knew that was gonna make all these pro-choicers Upset.

But you see the thing that's the thing about Al it's like this is the moment for that, right? That's got so much energy behind it. That's got so much momentum behind it that he's I feel like this is this is how I Feel I don't know that he's done this but this is what it looks like on the outside.

That Al Moller's done the calculus and now he's decided to come out strong for X Y Z Whatever whatever it is, whatever you want to fill the blanks with you know, he comes out strong against reparative therapy now.

He's for it. It's like or all that stuff a sexual Orientation whatever it is. Yeah, that's what it was it was sexual orientation and it's like you can't really trust him because it just seems like he's.

It almost seems like he's taking an opinion poll and he's you know Which ways the wind blowing and that's how I'm gonna end and it's not like he he doesn't often change his like beliefs whole cloth. But it's really a matter most of the time sometimes he does but really it's a matter of emphasis.

And so Al Moller is really not a trustworthy person. And so here's what happens. So Al Moller finds out that Canon Press is is is promoting his content on their platform. And here's what he says. He says evidently a media platform has announced the release of some of my material no communication with me or my staff.

No permission for me material is taken from my address to evangelical theological society take an aspirin. I'm not moving to Russia now or ever yet. And so You know, by the way that Russia thing's a joke because Doug Wilson lives in Moscow, Idaho.

And so that's kind of a joke. But but he he wrote this tweet in such a way that It made it appear Like Doug and his and his crew and Canon Press had done something nefarious maybe something unethical.

That's how pretty much everybody read this tweet if you go into the Responses into the comments you see tons of people now making accusations and assuming that that Canon Press did not have proper authority the proper permissions to do this and They did something kind of underhanded and maybe there may be even legal action is coming that's how everybody took this tweet and and and I think that was Make no mistake Al Moller carefully crafted this tweet.

This was a tweet that someone in PR would write and And what he wanted to do was he wanted to make a clear Message. Look, I do not support Doug Wilson. I do not get his back I don't even want to be associated with him and he'd said all of that without actually really even saying it.

He said I'm not moving to Russia now or ever yet. That's basically saying Doug Wilson. He can go to hell. That's what he said in a kind of a joking way and it's supposed to be a joke I think and an indirect way because he's he's an effeminate.

He's an effeminate. He doesn't actually say what he what he means. Listen, we understand, you know, any any any men who? Deal with with their wives or maybe even their daughters. I don't know I've never had a daughter needs to understand that women talk in a roundabout way a lot of the time and you need to get over that because It's frustrating for a man sometimes to to not get the direct, you know 4 -1 -1 kind of thing, but that's just how it is.

That's how women speak and And that's how effeminate men speak as well. They don't get to the point. They don't talk directly. They don't tell you what's what they talk in this weird roundabout way where where they've got this kind of plausible deniability because.

The reason why I say this was written by a PR person or even a lawyer might have written this Is because it's just so Weasley Al Mohler is not a trustworthy person. Because he doesn't actually say they didn't have proper permission.

He doesn't actually say that they acquired it in a nefarious way. He doesn't actually say that they stole it from him that they they did something underhanded or plagiarized or it was sneaky. He doesn't say any of that actually but that is definitely the impression you're left with when you read this tweet.

What he actually only said was they didn't talk to me. They didn't talk to anyone on my staff. They didn't have my permission. But they didn't need your permission Al. Apparently they didn't need to talk to you or your staff about this.

That's what that's what it seems like because Doug Wilson in his blog post says look I assure everyone This is not an ethics issue. Everything published on Canon plus app was acquired. Fair and square on the up-and-up all legal like and if you look carefully at Al Mohler's Disingenuous just quite frankly.

This is an evil tweet. Because he he's essentially giving it up. Letting an impression stand about Doug Wilson and the staff of Canon plus or Canon press rather. He's letting this impression stand that they've done evil.

They've done wrong and and he's he's he's actually Fueling that belief by writing this tweet in the way. He did they didn't have your permission now. Apparently they didn't need it. They didn't talk to you.

Apparently they didn't have to. They didn't talk to your staff and they didn't have to do that either but the people that they did have to talk to they did talk to you apparently and so so Al Mohler here is is putting as much distance as Humanly possible between him and a fellow believer because he knows he's he's taken the weather.

He knows that to be associated with Doug Wilson in in the eyes of the respectable Evangelicals that sit in the pews that pay for your stupid books and pay for your ridiculous garbage. Articles and talks and videos and sermons and all of that all that garbage.

They pay you for it and they pay you quite. Well, they pay you to educate their children and they pay you quite well. All of those don't want to see you have anything to do with Doug Wilson. So what are you gonna do?

Not only you're gonna distance yourself as much as humanly possible from him. But you're also going to lie about them by omission. And again, he wrote this in such a sneaky way because all Al's got to do is say look I didn't say they didn't have proper permission.

I just said they didn't speak to me and he's letting this out there and everyone took it the same way I did that. They did something underhanded when I saw this for the first time. I thought There's no way that Canon was this sloppy right because because I don't think Canon is nefarious, right?

So I don't have that automatic. I don't have that automatic, you know. You know bias against them, right? So I thought to the way I thought it was like Canon plus could not have been this sloppy to just take something and sell it without having permission.

That's how I took it. And that's how look at the comments. This is how everybody took this tweet Al. This is so messed up, dude. I had a low opinion of you Al Mueller before all this I have an even lower opinion now.

So you just let so not only do you distance yourself from a fellow believer as if he's a pagan as if he's as if He's got leprosy, right? But then you lie about them making everyone think that they've done something that they shouldn't have done.

But you lie about it in the sneakiest possible way that gives you you slippery snake the opportunity to say why I didn't really say that. This is the this is the this is the tweet that only a consummate professional Politician can write Al Mueller is not to be trusted in my opinion.

And it's tweets like this and and by the way, this is not an isolated incident. He writes tweets like this all the time. It would not surprise me in the least if if if to find out that someone else was writing these tweets in other words like a lawyer or Or a PR person that would not surprise me in the least or if or if he's actually writing them that they get cleared By a lawyer or a PR rep or something like that.

I don't know that to be true, but if I found that out that wouldn't surprise me at all. At all and so so what I want to do is like Al Mueller knows to be associated with Doug is the kiss of death and so He writes this ridiculous tweet just dragging his brother's good name through the mud.

Dragging dragging people that and this is the thing. It's not just Doug. It's like, you know I know some of the guys that work for Canon Press and they're good people and you drug their names through the mud as well.

Because they're the ones presumably, you know, Doug Wilson's probably not getting you know, the licensing in order. He's probably not spending his time doing that but the good people at Canon Press are and you drug their names through the mud as if there's some kind of thieves as.

If there comes some kind of villains and you didn't care One iota because you knew that it would it would make you look good to make them look bad and you went ahead and you Took that opportunity. You're you're a snake dude.

You're a snake and I want to contrast that today. I Want to contrast that today? With with the other side of this debate, right. The other side of this Canon Press and and the people of Moscow Gabe wrench here, you know.

He's defending the decision and some people were going back and forth with with Gabe about you know. His defense of it and you know, my opinions on that defense were I honestly I get what he's saying.

But again, I don't think it was a smart idea even to even all and even knowing all that that Gabe was talking about. But I want to compare this because. Because Al Mohler has the squeaky clean reputation, right?

Amongst regular, you know Pew sitting people and Doug Wilson's reputation is drug through the mud all the time. And so a lot of people have have this this idea of Doug Wilson in Moscow and the CREC that it's like they're they're villains.

They're villains. In fact, I I engage with someone on Twitter the other day that said, you know I really like the content coming out of Moscow, but I just hear so often that they're a cult, you know. And and I responded to him.

I was like if it's a cult. It's the worst call ever like I could get on fight laugh feast and I'm proving it right now I can get on fight laugh feast Network tomorrow and say critical things about Doug.

Which I just did critical things about Canon. Which I just did because I don't I think that they're making a mistake by promoting Al. And and nobody says anything to me right? Nobody says a single word.

You can't criticize Doug. That's not how cults work. Obviously people leave the church and and and they don't get slander. That's not how cults work. It's not a cult obviously, but but but it's people like Alan and our Scott Clark.

They want to just so discord discord I'm getting so much value this but but I hear it's a cult from these from these I'm gonna be nice. So anyway, people are heaping slander upon slander upon slander about everyone associated with Moscow I know including the pagans by the way.

They jump in on this too and they they smell blood in the water because they know that that that not too many people are gonna get Doug Wilson's back if You go ahead and slander them in the media, right?

Not too many people are gonna do that. So they'll just they'll go for it. And then look on the other side of this coin I want you to look at the other side can impress and got Gabe here defending their decision and stuff like that and and they're putting Al Moller's content out and They don't have PR reps.

And if they do they don't work the same way that Al's do right? Because when they put Al Moller's content out they knew full well, we've got the proof right here Doug knows yeah, Doug, you know Al's he's woke now.

He's got the woke virus. Like he doesn't even stand behind his old work alleged apparently like he knew they knew full well. That they're fans the people that eat up their content. Love it. They'd be scratching their head like what?

That's weird man, why are you putting Al Moller content? But apparently they think this content is so helpful and they don't have a axe to grind with Al Moller. They don't have they don't they don't have any bias that like anything else touched is trash, right?

They don't have that and so they knew they're gonna take heat from their own people. There aren't people that that that buy their app and buy their books and do this stuff the same situation, right? Well on the one hand, we've got Al Moller.

He knows he's gonna take heat from people who pay his bills. And so he writes and crafts this sneaky Slimy little tweet to make himself look good because he's trying to control his image because that's the most important thing to Al Moller.

His image and then we have Doug and and Canon who know the same thing they're they're not they're people who pay their their their salaries the people who buy their books the people who buy their apps and Support them and share their content and stuff like that.

They're not gonna be happy with this. They're not naive guys, they knew we don't like Al Moller they know they knew it but they did it anyway. They did it anyway, and then when they take the heat Doug writes a little a little blog post here and he says look Al's content is super helpful.

At least it used to be and They don't treat him like he's got leprosy. They don't treat him like like like like like a tax collector. They don't treat him like he's persona non grata. In fact, if Al Moller was interested in having a conversation or a debate, they would answer the phone.

Al wouldn't. I wouldn't Brothers. That's an example to emulate in my opinion. That's an example to emulate what what what what what Canon and and and the people of Moscow, Idaho have done. I'm not saying you need to platform Al Moller.

I wouldn't do it. I think that was a mistake. I don't know how many times I can I can be clear about that. It's a mistake. People are still gonna think I'm defending it, right? I whatever but there's no question in my mind that if the media came for Al In an inappropriate way, right?

The media came for Al or the media came for one of these big Eva pastors and you know, they went for him, right? There's no question in my mind that Moscow would have Al's back. Because those are that's my brother man.

I might not like what you're doing. I might not like what you're what you're up to. But I'm not gonna let the pagan slander your name and drag you through the mud and do this and do that. I'm not that's an example to emulate.

Don't be like Al. Be like be like be like the people of Moscow, right? Because Nothing could convince me unless unless I saw it with my own eyes that if the media came after Doug That Al would even lift one pinky to help him out he would never have his back Brothers.

That's not what you want to be as a Christian. There are a lot of people I said this all the time in fact I said this in one of my private groups that I talk to people about and and we were talking about you know, someone were saying is someone was asking you know is is Is well, let me not say the name because that's yeah.

Anyway. Someone was asking about a certain individual and who's who's against wokeness and stuff like that but a lot of people don't really trust him and and The way I said it was like look and some people were arguing with me because they think that I'm naive for for liking him and and you know all that and The way I said it was like look like Like I know full well that this guy would not lift one finger to help me out.

No way. He wouldn't. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like he would he wouldn't get my back in two seconds. No, I'm sorry in a million years. But I'd get his back I'd get his back man. There are a lot of people out there like that that and I messaged them to like there are some guys that I think would Probably not want you to want me to even mention their names positively because they think that's gonna somehow sully their reputation.

There's a lot of guys that I've told private like look guys I got your back if you ever need anything the woke mob comes for you I know you don't want to be associated with me. I know you don't want my name.

Your name spoken on my lips because that somehow dirties you that's okay, man. You keep do you keep fighting the good fight? And if the woke mob comes for you, I will get your back. I'm not trying to toot my own horn here.

But but that that comes honestly that attitude that comes from. That comes from the doctrine that I've seen in the CREC not just Doug Wilson. But but Doug is a big, you know a big name in that whole area.

But every CREC pastor, man, I think the the brother that that led the church in Brooklyn that I was a part of I met a man and I'm pastor in West Virginia and we've only met once but just the conversations that we've had.

They all have this they all have this where it's like, yeah, I know they don't like us. But you know, you know, I still think they're helpful. I still I still find their stuff helpful. It's like Yeah, anyway I just wanted to I just wanted to put a fine point on that comparison like the difference between Al Al's reaction to this and and Ken and let's just say Doug because he represents Moscow his reaction to this it could not be more stark.

And I think that the the example being set by by Doug and the people in Moscow every day Is something worth emulating gave and all these guys. It's something worth emulating. Because if I was on fire I know there are certain people that would not do a single thing to put me out and I think you know what I'm talking About you've heard that phrase before too.

You can't let that affect how you would treat them because God has commanded that you love the brethren, right you love the brethren and There's markers for who's a brethren who's not you don't get to decide really what those markers are God has decided.

And doesn't mean you have to promote their content doesn't mean you have to like what they're saying. It doesn't mean you have to not Criticize them because that's what a lot of big even people think where it's like if you even criticize me.

You're not my friend. You're not my friend remember I remember I remember Jared C Wilson said something like that to me at one point where like I can't be a friend if I'm criticizing. It's just so insane.