WWUTT 1825 Q&A He Gets Us

The Order of the Books of the Bible

Why are the books of the Bible in the order that they are in? What is moralism and how does it lead people to hell? And what's with the He Gets Us campaign? What do we need to know about it? The answers to these questions and others when we Understand the Text.

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Here once again is Pastor Gabe.

Thank you, Becky. You're welcome. Speaking of those books and devotional resources and stuff, I just updated the books page on the What website. Nice. I did not realize how outdated it was. Uh-oh. How outdated was it?

I had stuff on there I don't even have for sale anymore. Aw, that's a bummer. Yeah, but I got the 25 Christmas Myths. Teasing everybody. Yeah, that's right. I got the 25 Christmas Myths book right there at the top.

Woo-hoo. Since it's the Christmas season, you can find the book there through the What website or you can just go to Amazon. Yeah. Find it there. If you've got an Amazon account and it's just a one-click thing, Becky is an Amazon shopper.

I am. I don't need to give Amazon any promotion, but just letting you know, it is an easy way to shop. It is. So the book is there if you want to get it that way. Or for your Kindle. Yep. I read most of my stuff on my Kindle these days, I think.

That is weird because you have a huge wall of bookshelves that are filled.

Well, I think of the reading that I do at home. This is all research book. That's true. Up here. That's true. And I got that awesome Sharnock Volume 1 and Volume 2 from Reformation Heritage Books. Nice.

And I just grab one of those and sit here and read it for like 10 minutes. If all I've got is 10 minutes, I don't want to start another project. That was great that Reformation Heritage put those into two volumes because as I understand it, the previous series was like five books.

Oh, wow. So they compressed it down into two volumes. James White took a picture of his set that he had and said, so now what do we do with these? Now that Reformation Heritage has put them into two books.

Yeah. That's really cool. I don't think they're the ones that did it, actually. I can't tell the logo from here. But anyway, I know you can buy it through them. There were some other reformed bookstores online that were selling it, too.

Yeah. Just to share. Anyway. Very cool. I'm going to promote those guys. P &R Publishing, that's another good one. I'll promote them before I promote Amazon. Right.

But in case you have Amazon. In case you're an Amazon shopper.

You can get the book there. This is the Friday edition of the broadcast. We take questions from the listeners, which you can send to us via email when we understand the text at gmail .com. This one comes from Kevin in Springfield, Missouri.

Dear Gabe and babe, I love the name of the new show. It's actually the new name of the old show. There we go. He says, you should totally get Reftoons to do some artwork for you guys and do up some t-shirts.

I'll buy the first dozen. Cue the meme of that Futurama guy holding out a fistful of dollars saying, take my money.

I'd love to do some t-shirts, but I don't know how.

I'm still trying to figure that out. Well, we'll have Paul Cox draw us up something nice. There we go. If I can get in touch with him. I don't know how I do that. I've sent him an email. We'll just see if he responds.

Yeah. Kevin goes on to say, I just wanted to share that I have now listened to the podcast enough times that when Becky is not there, I can tell from the introduction before Gabe says that he's flying solo.

Does that mean I've listened to too many episodes that I can now pick up on those little nuances? Anyway, since I feel like I need to ask a Bible question, why are the books of the Bible in the order that they are in?

Oh, I have that question too. Really? Yes.

Well, he concludes by saying, thank you for a great show. Thank you, Kevin, for a great email. Yes, thanks. Okay. So on to this question that you also have, why are the books of the Bible in the order that they are in?

Yes. I'm afraid that is a, what would that be? A church history question? Not necessarily a Bible history question. Could be that too. But a church history question, I don't know the answer to. Oh, really?

Yeah. I mean, I can give you a general idea based on some things that I've read, but I don't know for sure why the books of the Bible came in that particular grouping. I know the Old Testament, we have the books of the law.

That's the first five Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. I would imagine that's pretty consistent to the way it's always been ever since Moses wrote them. After that, you have the history books, and that's Joshua through Esther.

Mm-hmm. And I can't see that there would really be anything any different in that grouping of books either. Yeah. If any of that's changed over the years. Just the order of where those groupings have been, maybe that's changed.

I don't know. Yeah. Because you would go with books of the law, then the history books, then you've got the poetry or the wisdom books, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, then you've got the major prophets, which I just started on yesterday with Isaiah, Introduction to Isaiah, which by the way, everybody, I'm sorry, I was like a day late on everything this week.

Yeah. But it was just one of those busy kinds of weeks. It's one of those weeks. Yeah. So the major prophets, the reason why they're called the major prophets is because they're big books. Oh, okay. It's not because they were more important prophets than the other guys.

See, I was wondering about that too, because I just assumed that they were more important or did bigger things or something. No. Yeah, it's just because they're bigger books. I need to read through them again, obviously, but...

You've got Isaiah, you've got Jeremiah. Lamentations is fairly short when you consider the major prophets, but it's believed that Lamentations was written by Jeremiah or by Baruch, maybe his scribe, Jeremiah, telling Baruch to write this down.

Then of course you have Ezekiel and you have Daniel, then you've got all the minor prophets and you've got Hosea through Malachi. Yeah. And that finishes up the Old Testament. In the New Testament, you've got the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and then you have Acts, but all five of those are considered history books.

Okay. They're narrative and they're the only five books of the New Testament that are narrative. Everything else after that, you've got the letters. You've got Paul's letters that goes from Romans through Philemon.

Then you have Hebrews, which a lot of people would group as a letter of Paul's, probably why it's placed where it is. Yeah. The author is not explicitly mentioned, but it sounds like Paul, so they put it at the end of Paul's letters or at the beginning of the general letters.

You've got James, 1 and 2 Peter, 1 and 2 John, Jude, and the last of all you have Revelation, which is the one book of prophecy in the New Testament. A lot more prophet books in the Old Testament. You have one prophet book in the New Testament, which is Revelation, but also works as a summation of everything that you've read in the Old Testament and New Testament.

Because out of 404 verses in the book of Revelation, there are 500 references to the Old Testament.

Yeah, that's true.

So not only telling us about what the last things will be, but also seeing everything over the course of redemptive history summed up right there in the book of Revelation.

That's actually like prophetic. What do you call it whenever a prophet says it? Prophetic. Yeah, right. Okay. You said that right. Well, I mean like phrase, saying, what is it? He prophesied. He prophesied.

There you go.

He profited. He profited. P-H. P-R-O-P-H. E-T-E-D. Oh, now I forgot what to say. Whereas the prosperity preachers profit with an F. So anyway.

Anyway, he profited and then it was the solution. Like it showed that it came to be. Yeah.

That it was all finished. Yes. It's all done. Yes. Christ is the victor. Anyway, that's the grouping that we have.

Now. I mean, that makes logical sense that they would put it in that order. Yeah.

The groups. If it was up to us in the Western world, we might have tried to put it in chronological order. That would be me.

That would totally be my choice. But if I remember correctly, some of them do overlap a little bit and that would be a little difficult. Well, they overlap. Yeah.

Within the books. In First Kings, for example, you'll be trotting along and then, oh, we got to go back to this event. Things like that.

Yeah. And I have a hard time. So I have to have you walk me through that. Oh, the Bible is fun.

It is. I love the way it's written and the way that it's laid out. But how we came up with that particular grouping, I don't know. I know I've read it at some point. It might be in Michael Kruger's Canon Revisited even, which is a good book that I've shared with people.

If you want to understand why the books are written the way that they are and you want a good, solid defense of this is the word of God and this is our authority, the church is not the authority over the Bible, but rather the Bible is the authority over the church.

All of those arguments laid out extremely well by Michael Kruger in his book. So he may have talked about in there why we came up with the order of the books the way that we did. I just can't give it to you off the top of my head today.

I had prepared for something completely different. I just wanted to share that email at the very beginning here. But we said last week that we were going to talk about He Gets Us. So let me come back to the email that Ken sent to us.

I read it at the end of last week's podcast. But since He Gets Us is in the title of this episode, I'm guessing some people are going to come into it because they were searching He Gets Us. So to keep everything in context, I'm going to go ahead and read the email again and play the video that I did.

And then we'll get to this material here. So Ken from, well, I said Louisiana, he said from LA. That could also be Los Angeles. It could. No idea. Yeah, that's true. But anyway, dear Pastor Gabe, thank you for the video that you did on He Gets Us.

Do you think that you could do a longer video or maybe a blog on this as well? Something that maybe goes through their articles and shows more specific problems with the content on their website. Some people at my church have started to pass around stuff from He Gets Us.

And while my pastor has been skeptical, he's not really one to research this kind of thing and warn about the dangers. Thank you for what you do. So let me go ahead and play the what video that I did on this.

And then we will get to the He Gets Us website. Oh, boy. But then there's nothing about the Bible. So you go to the topics page and they have articles like, how did Jesus deal with injustice? How would Jesus be judged today?

Why did Jesus cry? But not one of these pages, yes, I read them all, say anything about Jesus being Savior or God. One page says, some believe Jesus lived a perfect life. For others, that's a stretch.

Either way, Jesus set a high bar for himself and for others. Jesus said you are to be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect. If you don't think Jesus lived a perfect life, you don't get Jesus. If you get on their chat and ask them if Jesus approves of homosexuality, they will say he does.

They'll even connect you with a church that loves your sin. These guys are heretics, spending $100 million in advertising to preach a different Jesus. But evangelical leaders Ed Stetzer and Kevin Azell think they're great.

Makes you wonder how much they're getting paid. The Bible says that if anyone preaches a different Jesus, they are accursed. Jesus gets us in that we're sinners in need of a Savior, and he is that Savior when we understand the text.

So in the video, I said that I read every page on the He Gets Us website. And that is true. Before I made that video, I did. Well, in preparation for this episode, I went back to the He Gets Us website and started pulling up pages, and I can say just about everything on the website has changed.

Oh, really? There's things now about this so-called ministry. You're going to hear me call it that, even though I'll say they're full of false teaching and you shouldn't be following He Gets Us. Is it more of an organization?

Organization, yeah. Well, they do say on their website they're a 501c3 organization. There you go. Which means they're a nonprofit. So you can call it an organization. Yeah. They're an organization. That's a better word, then.

Yeah. Don't confuse people. Anyway, I went back to the website and started reading pages, and particularly their About page, and stuff's changed. Ever since we started exposing this organization, Pastor Tom posted the stuff that he did on his Twitter page, I made the video, we've addressed it in podcasts or in blogs or some other things.

Now suddenly they're changing stuff on the website. Like what kind of stuff? Well, on the About page, it used to be that you could not find anything anywhere on the He Gets Us website about Jesus being God.

There was no mention of that whatsoever. There's nothing about sin, nothing about repentance, and following Jesus Christ. Nothing about that. There's no gospel on the page whatsoever. And incidentally, when I was preparing for this yesterday, I pulled up the He Gets Us website, and in their search bar, I typed gospel, and it came up.

No search results. The word gospel does not appear on the He Gets Us website anywhere. Okay. I went to the About Us page, and I noticed this paragraph. Ultimately, we want people to know his teachings, talking about Jesus, and how he lived while here on earth.

And this will be a starting point to understanding him and his message. Though we believe that he was what Christians call fully God and fully man. That's new, because that was not on the website a month or so ago when I made that video.

That was not there. I know it wasn't there. So going on, though we believe that he was what Christians call fully God and fully man, that may not be what you believe. We're simply inviting you to explore with us at He Gets Us.

How might things be different if more people followed his example? So look at this as an open invitation to engage and learn more. We're also here to support and listen to you. Connect with us here and via social media.

If that's their objective. Moralism. That's moralism. They're not leading anyone to Jesus Christ. Right. Nobody. They're just being moral. There is no gospel on this page. This saves no one. And they have from their very confession on their website.

They're not even trying to save you or convert you or give you an understanding of your sin and your need for the gospel. All they want you to do is just consider he's a good example to follow.

Right. And they don't even say that they say that he's fully God and fully man. They say Christians say.

Right. Well, they say, though we believe he was what Christians call fully God and fully man. They say that.

That's still kind of passing the buck.

But then they say that may not be what you believe. Right. So they're still just asking you to follow an example. That's all they're asking you to do. And yeah, it's moralism. They're leading people straight to hell.

And they're going to convince people that all you have to do is follow Jesus example. Just be a good person. Wow. Of course. Of course, the example that they want you to follow is the version of Jesus that they put out on the He Gets Us website because they don't quote scripture.

They don't give you the Bible. Yeah. So how are you supposed to explore it without the Bible? Yeah. I mean, that's the number one resource.

We could call this Andy Stanley ism introduced incidentally, because, you know, Andy's always trying and he's always trying. How can I present Jesus without the Bible? Yes. Andy's constantly doing that.

Yeah. By the way. Unhitch it. Unhitch it. Yeah. See, Andy doesn't just want to unhitch from the Old Testament. He's trying to unhitch from the Bible altogether. No joke. But you can't even know who Jesus is without the Bible.

But listen to this from Ed Stetzer and Andy Stanley. This is the two of them talking about He Gets Us. There is not a bigger champion out there for the He Gets Us website than Ed Stetzer. He is really pushing this thing.

So, you know, of that $100 million they're spending on this campaign, he's getting something out of it. Either that or he donated. I mean, you know, I'm not going to speculate further. I'm just saying he's got to be getting something.

There's something. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, listen to this. Here's Stetzer and Stanley. That should be a new act. Stetzer and Stanley. Anyway. Okay. But you're saying to give them permission not to believe.

But you are calling them to something. You're calling them to a belief. How do you do both of those things? Let me stop right there. I did not get this whole clip in context. But you'll catch right at the beginning of that, that Stetzer is saying to Stanley.

So you're telling them they don't have to believe.

So is Stanley behind this website? He's partnered with it.

Okay. Partnered. Yeah. When you go to their partnerships page, North Point Community Church, which is Andy Stanley's church out of Atlanta, they're one of the partners with He Gets Us. Okay. Now, maybe they're not getting money from He Gets Us.

Maybe they're paying money into it. Yeah. I don't know. Whatever a partnership is supposed to look like. But Stanley is every bit as much behind this as Stetzer is. Okay. Let me play that again. So you can hear Stetzer say it.

Yeah.

I was lost in that first.

Listen to Stetzer say it. And then he's asking this question to Stanley, and then Stanley is going to pick up from here. Okay. Okay. But you're saying to give them permission not to believe. But you are calling them to something.

You're calling them to a belief.

How do you do both of those things? It's a great question. And tell me when I'm talking too long. The invitation is to follow Jesus. That's it. The invitation is not to believe something. I'm not sure you can make yourself believe something you don't believe.

That's a big discussion for another day. The invitation is to follow Jesus. This was his invitation before they even believed, before they knew anything about Jesus. Follow me. Take a step. Follow me through the Gospels.

So changing, it affects our apologetic. It affects our invitation. It affects our approach. It affects everything. Once we decide, you know what, we are creating a safe place. And of course, we're going to challenge people.

But the great thing is this, a practical sermon works for anybody that's willing to practice it, whether it's on marriage, relationships, fixing a relationship, money, whatever it might be. So there's a way to approach it.

And one of the things that I've just gotten in the habit of doing is I'll say in the middle of a sermon, hey, if you're not a Christian, what I've said so far, knock yourself out. This will help you. And from this point on, you may just want to check out because this is really just for us crazy Christians.

I mean, I will be that specific because I want them to know I know they're there and I have no authority over them and I'm not expecting them to do anything. They're a guest in our home. This is how we do it here, but we're so glad you're here.

And again, that's my language. I think the better we get at that, the easier it is for people who are exploring faith or re-exploring the faith after maybe a bad church experience. So, yes, there is a call to action.

There is a challenge.

All right, babe, what are you getting out of that? A headache. So they've got this wonderful paradox going on here. We're not telling you to believe anything. But we are.

But we are. We're not telling you to follow, but we are. We're not telling you to go to church, but we are. We're not telling you to listen to everything, but we are.

It sounds like the first part of that is to please the unbelievers. We're not telling you to do anything. And then the second part of that is to please the believers. But we are. Yeah. So that nobody will go, well, what are you guys doing?

You're leading people into unbelief, right? But they're not. But this is what Stanley wants you to do. This is all he wants you to do. We just want you to follow him. You don't have to believe anything.

You just need to follow him. How did that work out in the Bible? Jesus said he didn't know you.

They'll call my name, but I won't know them. I won't know you. Yeah. I mean, that's terrifying.

That's a great point. That's Matthew 7. Many will come to me and say, Lord, Lord, did we not do many mighty works in your name? Yeah. And I will say to them, depart from me, you worker of iniquity. I never knew you.

Consider also John 6, 26. Jesus answered them and said, Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek me not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.

For on the Father, God has set his seal. Therefore they said to him, What should we do so that we may work the works of God? Jesus answered them and said, This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.

So it's not just follow me. The call to follow is a call to believe.

I mean, I can kind of maybe get around the idea that he's trying to take baby steps. For those who have been hurt by the church, just get them in the door, that sort of mentality. But at the same time, I'm screaming in my head, no, because it's like you're apologizing for Christ.

You're apologizing for the Bible. I'm sorry it offended you. And it's no, it is offensive.

And that is one of Stanley's big objectives, is to speak to people who are unchurched or are de-churched.

Yeah, but then how do you grow your church? That's for evangelism. That's not for in your church. In the doors of your church should be learning and teaching and growing your congregation.

According to the Word of God and with the Word of God. Thank you, yes.

But what he's trying to do is more like evangelism, but you can't evangelize without the Bible. Yeah, right.

I mean, you can't do anything without Scripture, but Stanley's trying to do it without Scripture because they don't believe the Bible. So I can't give them the Bible. It's a wonderful mess that Stanley has created and that he promotes.

Oh, I pray for his soul. So continuing in John 6, verse 53, Jesus said to them, truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves.

He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him.

As the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not as the fathers ate and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.

And the people said, and incidentally, John 6, 60 calls them his disciples. Therefore, many of his disciples, when they heard this said, this is a difficult statement. Who can listen to it? But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling at this, said to them, does this cause you to stumble?

What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.

For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe and who it was that would betray him. And he was saying, for this reason I have said to you that no one can come to me unless it has been granted him from the Father.

And verse 66, as a result of this, many of his disciples went away and were not walking with him anymore. That's John 6, 66. I always thought that was an interesting providence. That 666 is the passage where the people turned away and were not walking with him anymore.

So Jesus said to the 12, do you also want to go? And Simon Peter said to him, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. And we have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.

As though Peter is congratulating himself for this belief that they have in Jesus. How does Jesus respond to him? Verse 70, Jesus answered them, did I myself not choose you, the 12? And yet one of you is a devil.

Now he was speaking of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the 12, was going to betray him. But we have John 6, 44. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up on the last day.

What Stetzer and Stanley are encouraging people to do is become like these disciples right here in John 6 who all followed him and walked away. They did not believe in him. Jesus said the work of God is that you believe in him whom he has sent.

But they didn't believe. Following Jesus, the way that Stetzer and Stanley say it right there, following his example, the way that the He Gets Us About page says it, will not save you. It will lead you to hell.

You're following a false Christ according to the version of Christ that they present on He Gets Us. So let's look at that version. Let's look at some of the ways that they talk about Jesus on the He Gets Us website.

Just to compound Becky's suffering here as we struggle through this. Now let me go to the video that I mentioned in mine, the one, the first ad that I became aware of regarding He Gets Us. And this was, this was a 30-second ad.

The one I'm going to play for you is actually a minute-long ad. So you can find the one-minute ads on their page. By the way, when you go to their YouTube account, they have very, very few followers.

Like 9 ,000 followers or something like that. That's very few? Yeah. Okay. I've got 40 ,000. Okay. So to kind of put that, and I mean, what kind of money is there behind when we understand the text? I don't have a hundred million dollar campaign.

Right. So people following He Gets Us on YouTube, they've got like 9 ,000 followers. That's all they've got. Okay. And yet they have videos on there that have been watched 50, 60, 70 million times. Oh.

So how does that happen? Wow. They paid for that. Yeah, exactly. They paid for those videos to be able to see, be seen places that people would be able to watch them. That unfortunately is not something I have in my resource account.

I cannot pay for what videos to be seen, even though mine are shortened to the point like theirs are. Only mine are full of biblical truth and theirs are not. Right. But they've got money behind their stuff and I don't have money behind mine.

Nobody really cares. They're not going to their YouTube page and following them even when they see the ads. Right. All of this is getting pushed out on people and even the effectiveness of getting people to follow He Gets Us doesn't really seem to be all that effective.

Right. It looks like more pastors and big Eva people, the big evangelical people, looks like they're more excited about this than anybody else is. Yeah. I don't hear hardly anybody else talking about this.

I don't know.

I feel like they're trying to make a celebrity out of Jesus. You know, like follow him, do what he's doing. Yeah. That sort of thing. But like you can't see the real person because they're not using the Bible.

They're not doing any real evangelism. So it's like, here's this invisible person, follow, yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

Who is this Jesus you're talking about? Where do you read about this guy? Right. In the Bible? So here we go. This is the first ad, as I mentioned it in my what video that I did on this. The one that they've been playing around, and certainly I'm guessing this ad is even going to be ramped up here as we're getting into the holidays.

Oh, yeah, probably.

But it's the video that kind of, you know, is going along talking about a teenage pregnancy and then you find out, oh, this is about Mary who had baby Jesus. A young girl had a boyfriend. She got pregnant.

She was scared.

How could she face her parents? What would they say? Can't hide something like that forever. Her parents asked who the father was. They assumed her boyfriend, but baby wasn't his. He loved her so much, he offered to help raise the child with her.

They married and found a small place. They had very little money and no insurance. One evening, her water broke. There wasn't time to get help. He delivered the child and lay him in a manger.

Now, what you, dear listener, did not have to see, but Becky did, was all the imagery that was in that video as well. Oh, my goodness. Not appropriate to be showing in front of your church or youth group.

No, not at all. There's a picture of a girl sitting on a toilet with a pregnancy test. With her pants down.

With her pants down. It's not even, oh, my goodness. Yeah. Then there's another one of her, you presume, totally naked. Because she's in the shower. I don't even want to say it. The one showing her belly, it's like, you've got to pull up your shirt to show your belly.

Showing quite a bit of herself in that image as well. Yeah. You can't take these ads and show them to your church. No. They think they're actually reaching people with these ads. But what is actually being reinforced there?

That teenage pregnancy really isn't all that bad. Right. Because, hey, Mary got pregnant and look what happened to her. She had the savior of the world. Right. So, you have this attempt to try to connect with people on their level.

But what you end up doing is justifying their sin. Everybody who's going to watch this is going to think, oh, hey. This is all okay. Yeah. This is all okay. Teen pregnancy? Yeah. It's all going to be fine.

That's not the only one that does that. I'm going to show you more of that here in just a little bit. Thanks. But there's also a number of inaccuracies there. Yeah.

That's what I'm after. It's not anywhere close. She had a fiance. It wasn't a boyfriend. Right. Right. They were married, but without the process. Back in the day, you get married. Yeah. It's a lot different than what it is now.

We'll put it that way. The betrothal period was married. Yes. Mary was married. Right. Because he was going to divorce her. Right. What had not happened yet was they had not consummated their marriage.

Right. But she was promised to him for all intents and purposes. It was far more committed than what we think of as an engagement. Even marriage. Joseph was not a boyfriend.

Married back then was a lot bigger than married now. Yeah. Right.

Joseph wasn't a boyfriend, and he was even more than a fiance. Yes.

That's true. And then, yeah, so I'm just going to put this out there. Mary was the only human being to have a savior. That's right. That's it.