Conversations with a Conspiracy Theorist: Greg Moore, Keith Foskey, & John Burroughs DMW#197

Yeah, there we go exploring theology doctrine and all of the fascinating subjects in between. Broadcasting from an undisclosed location. Dead men walking starts. Well, hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of dead men walking Podcasts, I'm your host Greg.

I'm here in studio with John. I'm also with the infamous Keith Foskey. I was gonna say you're Calvinist, but did we do a name change on the podcast there Keith? What's going on with that? Well, the the podcast is conversations with a Calvinist, but I'm going to be Transitioning to simply the your Calvinist podcast because I've been signing off the podcast for three years.

I'm Keith Foskey and I'm your Calvinist. And so to simplify the name and sort of bring everything under one one banner because on Twitter I'm your Calvinist and sometimes people don't connect conversations with a Calvinist with that.

So now it's just gonna be the your Calvinist podcast with Keith Foskey so Hasn't happened yet. 30 seconds 30 seconds into the show and we're already announcing breaking news the rebranding of Keith Foskey awesome.

But yeah guys, thanks for checking us out at dmwpodcast .com. Dead men walking podcast everywhere on social except for Twitter, which is real DMW podcast. X won't give me the right handle, but John's in studio.

John you might have heard his voice down at some of the fight left feast stuff. He was on for the For the Bible draw and he's been hanging out and I wanted to have him in here. You were on the show before right John.

Yeah, yeah about a year about a year ago. I said that like I didn't remember like right. Your name is John right, correct. I've never known John a long time though. So we had to have Keith on we had to have John on because we did a Program, like I said about a year ago with John and we talked a little bit about conspiracy theories, right?

Sure, and it was crazy popular, you know, I get these guys on here to talk about this intricate theological stuff and you know you get the James White's and the Doug Wilson's and the Chris Lawson's and the Sam storms and all these guys and then you talk about Bigfoot and Your number.

And that's what the people want. So that's what they're gonna get and we're aptly naming this conversations with a conspiracy theorist in Homage to our buddy Keith Foskey, so we're stealing that and I think what we want to do is We just want to roll around some some.

Because good lord, it's too early conspiracy theories way too early. Oh, I know right? It's like hey you guys want to talk about conspiracies. Let's meet at 10 a .m. And Right all conspiracies happen after 2 a .m. In the morning but what we wanted to do is I said, you know bring to that I Don't know that you kind of think Could be true or that you've rolled around in your head and then bring one.

That's just absolutely insane to you and you don't think has any bearing in fact at all. And I just thought maybe we could just go around kind of talk about them. There's there is some stuff in conspiracy theories that can be true.

In fact since 2020 we saw a lot of those crazy Conspiracy theorists actually get proven true, right? You were conspiracy theory if you thought the virus was created in the Wuhan lab and lo and behold that you know That turns out to be true.

You thought you know, there's a bunch of stuff about Fauci That is now turning out to be true. So there was a lot of stuff in that time that you know I saw a meme and it's like I There's no conspiracies left.

The mainstream media though, those are still conspiracies, you're right. Oh, yeah.

But they've been proven over and over so. Yeah, go ahead Keith I was just gonna say it's sort of like the movie that Jim Caviezel did about human trafficking a lot of people were saying Oh, we don't want to we don't want to give this this movie any attention because he is a conspiracy theorist.

Yeah, but but human trafficking is not a conspiracy like that literally happens. And so he's he's shining a light on something that's true. And just because you may not agree with his position on something else doesn't mean that what he said about Children being kidnapped and used for sex trafficking and things like that.

Like that's that's that's real. And and so yeah, I think sometimes I throw the baby out with the bathwater. I Didn't know JC was a conspiracy theorist. Is he like kind of out there with some stuff for water?

Is that just something they label him because he's a Catholic believer, whatever and conservative? Well, I would do anything they go ahead. Well, I just say the movie itself I forget the name right now.

Just just slipped my mind, but I can see the movie poster in my head. Where he plays? He plays he plays a he plays a CIA or FBI agent whose job it is to catch people who are doing human trafficking and it's based on a life of a Real guy the guy the real-life guy was a Mormon who that that's a beside the point.

But anyway, Jim, what am I? Yeah. Well, well Jim Caviezel himself has has been on has said things about QAnon and of course we know Conspiracy stuff. So he was labeled a QAnon conspiracy theorist. Therefore the movie was Shelved people didn't want to like like like Netflix wouldn't put out Netflix put out Adams every Everything Adam Sandler's every done Netflix has been happy to do or wouldn't put out this movie about human trafficking.

So yeah, it's kind of telling because that's kind of a conspiracy theory to like the whole underworld of sexual Trafficking and like elites kind of you know, the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. That's another conspiracy theory where I think that was a info wars.

What's the guy from the fours Alex Jones. Alex Jones was talking about that island like 15 years ago and people like oh, he's nuts. You know Jones is right. Well, even even the clips you see him going off about like gay.

You know gay frogs like licking frogs to turn you gay that turned out there's a paper that the federal government released and they're like, oh we were we were working with some type of chemical that would Change estrogen and testosterone levels to like turn men into women and women into men like some of that stuff that he talks about.

Like I said, they do they they're they're based in some type of truth and I think that's kind of what I want to say at the beginning to is like one conspiracy theory as a term was kind of made up by intelligence the the government intelligence to kind of Deride anyone who had those thoughts?

I can't remember when it was maybe in the 60s or 70s that actual term conspiracy theory was created and then to a lot of Conspiracy theories are based in fact they have some type of truth to them and it's just kind of I guess going down the rabbit trail of what's true and what Isn't is kind of the the fun part of looking into and some of I say fun.

But some of the stuff is pretty serious. So who wants to go first? What what's our first subject for a Conspiracy theory that you think might have some truth to it or could be plausible.

Who's up first? I'll go first. I I know it's a little controversial. But this is kind of what got me into. Looking into this stuff at all before that. I did not care about politics. I just cared about having fun and hanging out with my friends, but it would be not resurrection of Muhammad.

How dare you sir action of Mohammed 9 -11? Which is very conspiratorial. I've talked to people about this and if you even go against the the narrative that the yeah the media did or the 9 -11 Commission you're Considered a coup, but there's just some questions that never set well with me one of them being why did building 7 come down and they just said because of fires and it came down and it's footprint.

Yeah, I.

Held all the world's financial information. The guy just took out like a 10 billion dollar insurance loan against it the day before too. Yes.

There was even an interview where he he said I told him to pull it. Yeah, if you watch the interview and that just never sat well with me and then the other things that Preceded that as far as us going into Iraq.

Yeah weapons of mass destruction that they never found the Patriot Act which took away a lot of our rights and gave the government permission to spy on us. So those things just never set well with me.

What do you guys think?

What what do you guys think about the implosion? Like the level-by-level when those were coming down and people are saying well, that's a what do you call that like a demolition like a controlled demolition.

Demolition because it does look a little suspicious and I think there's some plausibility to that. To where you got to remember those World Trade Centers had been attacked what 93 with the car bomb so you could even have someone some Intelligent agency go look at all those major buildings in New York City if they're under attack and we think they're gonna do something.

Just wire them and have them sitting there in case we just we have a domestic or external attack. And we just need to blow stuff up. Yeah to protect assets. They do the military all the time. So I've always looked at that.

I went man those those level-by-level. That's a little weird for me the you know, the jet fuel that burned the whole building and took it down yet. They found four passports in the rubble. I don't know how it can burn metal, but not paper that's a little weird and then it's just The the footage at the Pentagon is really sketchy too you never see a plane there's no parts.

There's no engine and it came in at a level. Because I watched it live. I don't know where you guys were at. But I was what when I say live it was on news delay. But I watch it as most people did watch it as is happening and even when they would shoot to the Pentagon you go geez, it just looks like a like a little dirt trail with a couple pieces of metal you think a 747 would leave more than that, you know, so there's definitely some questions there.

What do you think Keith? One of my favorite movies is and you know me I'm a pop culture movie guy is Mark Wahlberg's movie called sniper and in that movie there is. Are you guys familiar with it? You guys remember the movie sniper?

Yeah. Yeah and the whole movie is based on the idea that the government wants to take out someone so they they they Use the sniper to tell them how another sniper would do it and they end up pinning it on him but it's a really entry interesting movie to watch how if if there's any truth to it, I realize it's fiction, but how Things can be portrayed to the public and yet the the truth is so different on the other side and so When it comes to 9-eleven, there are things that that that I think are wild and and beyond.

What I think is reasonable. But I think but I think there are things that should be questions that should be asked. I've been a I've been one who asked questions about the Pentagon a lot because it's the most important military facility in the world and yet there's no camera to catch the Plane that was the big question for me because the we I've seen the planes hit the towers, you know the question I know there's a lot of debate about the planes themselves and all those things.

But we saw the film from various angles and everything planes hit the towers. I think that's that's beyond question, but. But there's no film of a plane hitting the Pentagon and that's always that's always been a bother to me that that in the place.

That would have more cameras than any place in the world in a place that has more Eyes looking at it than any other place in the world. We don't have any evidence of there. You know a film no film evidence of that.

So so so I would so that's one of the things that sort of like like a hanging Chad. Hey another conspiracy theory. But you know that. So I I understand if nothing else I understand why people have questions I understand why people want answers and I do think the official story is a little Difficult to accept on its face, you know.

That that that's a so so I would say yes. The official story seems to have a lot of holes and I don't know that those holes will ever be filled. Yeah, every time someone says hanging Chad, I think of like just like this bro, dude, that's in a fraternity Hanging Chad dude, he's here.

Let's do it. I don't know. You've never heard.

Expression They don't use.

How old are you John. I reckon you get shot if you use hanging. Chad where I come from. 45. Okay, so you're not. You're two years older than me. All right. So the reason I ask is because the first election I was really able to be involved in as far as Voting was the 2000 election because I turned 18 in 98 so the next presidential election was the 2000 election with George Bush and Al Gore and the hanging.

For Al Gore, I'm gonna I'm just admitting it right now. I'm a little I knew about politics. Lockbox. I wasn't a Christian at the time. I didn't know anything about politics and I just liked the way the guy talked.

Lockbox. Yeah.

Those are some of the best SNL sketches, by the way. The hanging Chad's happened during the 2000 election when the pieces of paper that were punched by the punch voting machine didn't fall off. Therefore they couldn't count those votes and so they had people who were going through and literally manually counting where there were pieces of paper hanging from the from the voting ballot and they called those hanging Chad's and so the phrase hanging Chad meant a Conspiracy to overthrow a vote that was where that term.

Okay. Yeah, and then George Bush was like I think we should let the Secretary of State decided it's my second cousin. It was like real talk about yeah talk about voting conspiracies to like that was back in 2000.

Yeah, that was a whole thing. We weren't nearly as divided I don't think or conspiratorial because they basically just let the Secretary of State of Florida decide the election and they were like, okay I guess that's what we got to do.

And then yeah swore him in, you know, I will just real quick.

I will say there is some bizarre Conspiracies around 9-eleven like I had watched one where they said the plane wasn't even real. It was a hologram. Yeah, I don't. And that you know bombs that went off but there was eyewitnesses saying that they heard bombs.

Firefighters policemen. Different people that were on the street that said they heard like boom boom boom boom boom and you can watch videos. Well, maybe not on YouTube. They scrubbed. The only thing I would say to that is.

If anyone has ever been under duress or have adrenaline. And I just experienced it's just five five days ago I was up north hunting. You're sitting there quietly a deer walks out in front of you. You raise up your bow or your gun.

You're you just automatically get some adrenaline. I'm about to shoot something in and you really have to focus to make sure things don't go blurry. You remember details what way it's gonna run where it's moving.

There's a weird thing where people hear gunshots and they think it's you know firecrackers, you know bombs. So there's a weird thing too when you're under duress you're not eyewitness testimony is already kind of shaky.

But when you're under duress, it can be a little shaky. This is where I land on 9 -11 just because of the government's track record. Could the government have known about the attack? Absolutely do nothing about it sees an opportunity.

I think what is the the leftist saying is don't let a good crisis go to waste. I would totally be on board to say there was probably some people high up Bureaucrats within the intelligence community that said yeah, there's a 90 chance.

It's gonna happen. Let's play it out because we can probably sacrifice a few people's lives to advance our kind of neo. You know military. Kind of you know, I mean agenda. I Don't think that's conspiratorial at all because the government does that all the time.

We were just happening throughout history I'm through throughout the whole time man. We we we go down and inject people with stuff in Argentina to see if they can get you know recover from syphilis. We put poison in the alcohol during prohibition.

That's a fact the government said hey keep putting more poison in there and you know, basically alcohol rubbing alcohol inside. There's a there's all there's all this stuff of you know, we practiced on people with LSD for mind-control MK ultra that's a that's a that's not a conspiracy theory anymore.

Those papers have been released. So the government does have a long line of going and let's sacrifice a few people for the greater good or the better agenda. Heck the papers just came out with JFK when they came to him and a paper got all the way to JFK's desk.

That was like hey we want to shoot down a commercial airliner with US citizens on it and then blame it on Cuba and it got all the way to his desk and he was like it's been.

Signed off by FBI see. I don't think that the new American or I can't remember the name of it. But there was a name there. There was an actual.

Proposal to do that. No, that's what I'm saying. The proposal got to his desk. All it needed was a signature. He goes what in the heck are you guys doing and he wouldn't sign off on it? And then you know six weeks later right after he said he wanted to end the Fed.

He's dead. Talk about conspiracy theories, but. Well, I just this is why I don't fly on planes there's no No chance the government's gonna be going. You know what? I want to make a statement by blowing up his Ford f -150.

Let's put a nuke down on that f -150 on route 12 there as he's heading down heading over to Tampa or whatever. Yeah, oh, that's funny. So yeah, there's some stuff around like building 7 for 9-eleven.

Yeah. It's a weird one. And then just kind of the fact that we knew that was a target and we couldn't stop it. How lax our security was on letting people Take you know flight lessons and then you know, I don't know I don't know in the box cutter thing.

No disrespect to all the people on the plane and I think the one in Pennsylvania that went down they did fight back. But how do you if you're in a plane and you're already like look at if this thing does not land I'm dead and someone holds a box cutter up to me.

I mean the worst you're gonna do is give me a couple two three inch deep stabs before I I've cut myself.

It's not life-threatening. I used to start gross reason. Yeah, I hit my hands and my wrist a couple times.

Yeah, I will I will I will challenge that thought only on this thought and again, I know we got to get on to some other conspiracy theorists the reason why a person could overtake a a plane with a box cutter is because it was before 9-eleven and I know that sounds weird because sounds like I'm being Anachronistic.

What I'm saying is now it would never happen. Because we've seen the result, but if I had a box cutter. Well, let me I don't use myself as example. That sounds bad if a person had a box. Clip it clip that clip that post it in the very first thing in the very first thing they did.

I know this because I teach personal protection. I also teach how people handled stress and you were talking about stress earlier. There's something the automatic the autonomic autonomic nervous system.

Which takes over and causes us to do things like have tunnel vision vasoconstriction all these things happen when we're under stress and we think we're going to die if a man stands up and cuts the throat of A stewardess everybody's autonomic nervous system is going to go crazy and they're going to begin.

Yeah, I think they're next and that creates a sense of fear which does cause most they talk about the fight-or-flight syndrome. There's not two there's three. There's fight flight and freeze and the vast majority of people freeze under that level of stress when they see somebody's head.

Literally get cut because I can kill you with a box cutter very quickly because I teach I teach modern arnie's which is filipino knife and stick fighting. Um, I can ruin you with a box cutter with no problem if I cut we got a killer on the program, dude.

Right here if I were to cut you as far as I can into the depth and hit the bone. It's you're going to bleed out before the end of the fight. Because right here is those veins, you know people kill themselves here.

Well the veins that connect here are back here. And if I cut you all the way to the bone right there, we have hairy we have hairy parts that protect us. We have non-hairy parts that don't protect us.

Which is why we should do this and not this when we're when we're afraid. Because this is the hairy parts are designed to protect us. This is why boxers cover like this.

I'm, sorry. This is a whole other conversation, but it seems like you've studied this pretty in depth.

I think you should change your podcast into the jason porn podcast bro. Box cutter the box. I'm just saying with that. I I believe that people can be sent into a state of fear. By seeing someone else die very quickly and if they think they're next.

Yeah. Yeah, which is what happened on the flight that you mentioned the philadelphia flight. There's a man on that flight I I forget his name right away, but he was a jiu-jitsu fighter. He was the one who was on the phone and he said we're fixing to go.

We're we're about to fight this guy and they got in line and when they charge him because they knew the other alternative. The other alternative was we're going to die. Anyway, so yeah, anyway, anyway, so sorry I made a call from.

Oh, that was interesting in 2001.

He made a call from one of those super cell phones that reached cell phone towers from uh, nine miles. You know 10 miles in the air again.

Another conspiracy theory just to back up. Uh for what greg said that was called operation northwoods northwoods. Yeah, that was okay. Oh, we got a fact the u .s the u .s department of defense. Uh. In 62 they did that.

Uh bring us into the cuban war or try to. That was a proposal to try to. That's so crazy.

I don't know. I think okay. So I think you're right keith just to finish this off to agree and disagree with you. I think you're right you're looking you you have the expertise and like kind of the. The uh what everyone would do i'm just I don't know.

I've I had a gun pulled on me three times now in my life. Uh, and every time it didn't feel like freeze or flight. I was like All right, let's do this and I don't know if that's just an ignorant response.

Um now I had a gun too and once I showed it the two times that got pulled on me. They put it away because it wasn't worth it. I don't think but um, I just I just in my mind and I know everyone does this.

Well, if it was me up there, I would have right we all do that. But um, I don't know i've i've seen some gory stuff and it doesn't really faze me at all. You know what? I mean? I just went man a box cutter.

Let's go, dude I i'd be choking you before by the time you well, maybe not you could slice them and bleed out. But yeah, that's that's not even conspiracy. I don't know behind the arm. Just right here though just right here towards the armpit.

You want to what i'm getting some underarm guards, dude. Next time I fly be like, let's go I I mean I carry a gun everywhere I go if I got my pants on I got my gun on and it's for that reason. Because the guy pulls if a guy pulls a knife i'm gonna put two in his chest and one in his head.

I I you just so as a as a black belt if someone challenges you go you go. You just put your hands up and go pick your weapon. You want these or this? No, it's a black belt. I I avoid every potential threat because i've studied I have I have watched hundreds of hours of actual fights and people being attacked.

And you would be surprised how easily even a trained fighter can be injured. I mean imagine, you know jiu-jitsu fighters are trained to go to their back. Well, what happens if your head hits the side of a curb?

You're you're out you're done and and now the fight's over. The guy's stomping the guy's stomping your head into the concrete because you decided to roll backwards. Without checking what was behind you.

That's what happened in american history. Yes, I that's exactly.

Do you have your hands insured. There's no such thing.

Is that martial artists have to be registered on your hands. Is it comprehensive or collision. He's like I got a collision on these bad boys. Even if I accidentally hit you i'm covered. Get out the way.

Hang now. I'm george. Oh my gosh. So they call him it's his nickname in the dojo. Oven mitts here. Watch out. All right, that's what you get for avoiding. That's what I get for avoiding manual labor all my life.

These soft hands that can kill you, uh, okay. All right. Let's cap 9 11. Yeah, there's just up there. But uh, keith, why don't you give us one? Which one that you might have. I don't know how we're going to recover from oven mitts, but let's get.

Mine is so stupid. I like that. We we've had such a serious conversation about and I didn't know we were going to 9 11 first.

I want to get it out of the way. I was a little worried about it.

You never know how people are going to react when you invite john to a podcast. He gets right to the serious stuff. 9 11 jfk. Mine is literally the loch ness monster. Is that a conspiracy theory. I don't know.

Look at dude all I know is in the 80s when I was a kid i'd stand in line at the uh, Grocery store and like the inquirer every other week would have a picture of that dang loch ness monster. And I was like, is that thing real?

Where are they getting these pictures? So so here's my here's my conspiracy. It's not a conspiracy as much as it is just is it something that is real that people don't think is real? So in that sense conspiratorial, I think that I think that there are that there are undiscovered creatures some of which would absolutely eliminate the uh, the timeline that's held by the evolutionist position.

And that's that's where I think that's where I think the conspiracy side of it comes in is is I think that there's a position That's held which says that dinosaurs had to be you know billions of years ago.

And we are here and there's no connection between the two. And if there are connection points like the loch ness monster and other things it would destroy That timeline it would destroy that positional distinction and therefore I think It's downplayed as joke.

It's downplayed, but but I think there's things out there which Demonstrate that this earth hasn't been here as long as we as long as people think it is. So i'm a young earth. I'm a young earth christian.

But I think there's actually like some physical things out there that show that you know, I think dinosaurs are still on the earth. That's what i'm saying. I think dinosaurs. Hey, this is the conspiracy episode so, uh, so I I'll let you jump in here john, too.

But I my first thought is why can't there be large Aquatic creatures, uh in the depths of the sea that we have never we've never even gotten close to exploring. Yeah, we just got to. You know I always talk about in job where god is talking to job and he goes to if you put the freshwater streams at the bottom of the ocean and All atheists and scientists were like see that book's insane.

There's no such thing you can't have fresh water and salt water, right? And then in 1978 they sent down some robots and they're like, holy cow. There's fresh water streams at the bottom of the ocean and they're separated.

And the fresh water is running on the bottom and the salt water is floating on top. It's like, oh, okay. Well, there you go. Uh science proved god right yet again. So there's all kinds of stuff we haven't explored.

So there's all kinds of animals. I saw some stat that says like we've explored More of the moon than we have the depths of the ocean or something like that. In fact, check me on it. It's some weird stat that just is mind-blowing.

Why can't there be stuff in deep waters? That have developed differently because you know oxygen nitrogen levels all that kind of stuff pressure pressure like. That's one because you're kind of touching on one that i'm going to talk about which is an animal as well I kind of lean and go there's something down there now could be exaggerated over time and How long the neck is and how big it is, but there's probably something in there.

Uh, what do you think john, well, did you give any credence to it? Oh, yeah, because uh,.

For years there were purported to be sightings of that the giant squid and you know I thought that was conspiracy theory and i'm trying to look it up. I can't remember what year. Uh, they found it but they they ended up finding the giant squid.

Oh the giant squid. Yeah, that was. I'm, I can't get any info. I'm looking on wikipedia. So I don't all the animal ones are always uh interest me because.

There are so many different kinds out there that we like chupacabra. You know, you'll see those where they wash up on shore and you're like what the heck is that something's going on there um, but I would say on a scale of one to ten loch ness, I would.

With I would say probably not exactly what you would see in like the national inquirer. But eight out of ten eighty percent there's something in there. That's big and different and we haven't classified it just because we haven't classified millions of things in the ocean.

And I know that's not the ocean right loch ness is what you know, like a real deep lake over in scotland. It's it's a lock. It's a lock. But I don't know what that means I just know that's what it is.

I don't know what it is either. I think it's I think it's a lake. Yeah. That's a lock. Well, I used I used to think it was called the loch nest like he lived in a nest. But it's yes, right. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Have you ever have you ever seen napoleon dynamite? Oh, yeah, it's been a while but where where he gives the report on loch ness monster and he calls her nessy. Because nessy has been fun. So that's what I call her loch ness is nessy.

Nessy. Yeah, that's funny. Did you find the. Uh, I was trying to look up. Uh, what is a lock I can't. I cannot know stuff. It bugs me. Oh my gosh, dude. This is this what the loch Summer. After listening.

Uh the other thing you could go into with that is the conspiracy theory that the smithsonian, um, Actually hides like giant bones and different stuff like that. That would go again. That's not conspiracy.

They got receipts on that.

Yeah, so it's only some people would say if you're digging and you find something weird and it happens a lot in southern Ohio, believe it or not in the midwest. Uh, they've got representatives that come out there.

They pay them off. They dig them up themselves. They put them in a vault and you never see them. Why they do that. I don't know but the smithsonian and believe it or not the vatican vatican has some of the rarest weirdest fossils and artifacts.

Uh in the world and they're all locked up and they're not on display and you don't get to see them. So that's where the conspiracy comes in for me. Why the heck if I get that, you know. Why can't I see a nine-foot femur bone?

What's up with that?

You know I don't know if uh, did keith did you fall asleep? Did he sleep? No, i'm away. I'm, sorry. No, no, no.

No, no, no, my my face was like No, no, I actually. With his eyes down it looked like it was either frozen or he fell asleep. I'm like Okay, I I for the sake of I I sorry. An elder one of our elders texted me and I had to respond so I do apologize I was I wasn't trying to be rude and I'm sorry the work of the lord as a pastor when we're talking about like those monsters.

Jeez. Get your priorities straight. I can tell you what a lock is if you okay.

Don't you put it on like a bagel and fish sandwich? Yes. Okay, or on a door.

A door, okay. So what is between a lock and a lake? Well, the main distinction is where they're located. Locks can be found in scotland and ireland whilst lakes are found elsewhere in the world. Because uh, this is because the word lock comes from the gaelic language, which means lake or historically.

Yeah. Basically, okay. All right, but then you have Canals where you you know go into a canal right at the lock where it raises up the right.

Okay, so it's a big deep but it's a deep lake I thought I remember reading it's like super deep.

I think there's caverns under there that they go into the. Oh like underwater and stuff like systems. I could be wrong. Where the reptiles live. That's underground, oh, is that underground?

She's what do you think the lakeness monster? The lake lakeness. Lake missy. All right. So lakness I stay. Yeah, there could be something big under there i'm okay with it. People might think i'm crazy.

But there's something swimming underneath there. What do you think? Yeah.

I think it's a possibility. I think it's a possibility for sure but you're leaning towards I don't I don't go into the uh, I don't go into the I don't believe in evolution the way that they Right. I don't believe in millions of years.

I don't believe that dinosaurs. I believe humans lived with dinosaurs. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of drawings of that. Yeah, so, um or dragons I mean they called them dragons before they called them dinosaurs and everything the bible calls people worship dragons.