The MrX Debacle

The Purpose of the Dividing Line and the Call to Give a Defense

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Background to the Catholic Apologetics International Accusations

We have a full plate today may end up going a little extra distance today Just to make sure that we have sufficient time To fully document and discuss Recent events that have taken place within well, I would call it within the realm of Roman Catholic apologetics.

But the fact the matter is this really doesn't fall within the realm of Roman Catholic apologetics. It did one point I guess did but it doesn't really anymore in the sense that we are going to be discussing allegations that have been made public by Catholic apologetics International the Apostolate of Roberts and Janice.

These are libelous and defamatory accusations made against William Webster David King Richard Pierce and Colin Smith and the late Andy Anderson who Unfortunately is not around to defend himself. Accusations of altering citations citations interestingly enough that in the vast majority of Instances are available for anyone to examine in already published works.

This is without a doubt in my opinion one of the most Inane ridiculous campaigns that has ever been launched by anyone in opposition to the truth. This is absolutely a major league joke, but because it has been put out there we need to respond to it and the document the many errors and Falsehoods that are being pushed upon people because I certainly know that once rumors like this get started No matter how absurd they are no matter how unverified they are no matter how they should never have seen the light of day No matter how indicative of complete yellow journalism.

They are tabloid ism. They are. They develop a life of their own. There are people who are so desperate to continue to believe a lie That they will simply Believe anything and as long as they've heard that someone did something they will Utilize that kind of information.

So I'm going to give a background to this Situation first because we cannot assume that our listeners are familiar with everything that has gone on. I don't claim to know everything that's gone on because there's obviously there has been stuff going on for quite some time and You know, I don't sit around wondering about these things.

I often wonder about people who even dreamed these things up. I live a very very full life and I have plenty of things to be doing outside of the realm of Roman Catholic apologetics or Mormon apologetics or whatever else it might be and So I just don't even understand the mindset of these kinds of people to be perfectly honest with you.

But I'm gonna give some background so that the people Listening who have not been in channel who have not been following this saga on the web. We'll have some background and then we will be joined By a number of the people who are a part of this situation specifically by David King William Webster Rich Pierce is right across the the studio also knows my office from me here and we will have questions for all of them, especially when we get to the specific allegations that have been made and The demonstration of just how completely ridiculous this whole situation really is, but let's go back in time a little bit.

IRC Logs, Patristic Citations, and the Identity of Mr. X

Those of you who are not familiar with a chat channel you hear me talking about all the time and in this situation It is important indeed Catholic apologetics international has posted an article. It has now been removed.

But it was there for a number of days many of us saved it of course on our hard drives to make sure that we would be able to Document this information and in this article one of the statements that's made was that the three volumes set Holy Scripture published Written and published by a William Webster and David King was written primarily in IRC chat channels and specifically our IRC chat channel.

There is an individual that was identified as mr. X now. We immediately stop right there and just simply just stop and go excuse me. They they posted material from an unnamed source called mr. X. Yes, and as we will discover they failed to verify any of mr. X's claims before making them one of the most ridiculous activities you could ever have and I think reflects completely upon the methodology That Robertson genesis has always used and that Catholic apologetics international uses with the rate on a regular basis.

Both in its historical and in its theological argumentations as well, but mr. X is the individual that Was producing this information. One of the things he said was this was written in an IRC chat channel, so we go to the subject of the IRC chat channel first because What has taken place is an individual and we could tell as soon as we saw this article an individual Who is at one point a regular an individual who is in our chat channel with sufficient regularity to become familiar With the regulars in channel and the regulars involved in this ministry myself Richard Pierce the president of the ministry.

People in channel such as Colin Smith CDS is his Nick in channel. Colin Smith lives back east. He is a British citizen working on becoming American citizen. We sometimes called him silly Brit. You've heard him on the program a number of times before he's one of my students a very fine Christian man a scholar in his own right and so.

Also in our chat channel, especially the past number of years There would be discussions of when I was going to be on various radio programs Including Andy Anderson's program back in New York and at times when that was available.

You could listen if I was to be on Janet partial or if we were going to do something to where we actually webcast. My portion when I was good on a radio program there have been a few times. We've actually made that available to the folks in the channel to listen to while I was doing the interview on the program.

Obviously, mr. X whoever he was was someone who was very familiar with these things because he provided details in this interview the Catholic apologetics international posted wherein he spoke about People by name made certain allegations by name and so we could tell very quickly.

It was someone who either was still in channel or who had been in channel at some point in the past. And so we spent this this article was posted last week. We spent some time thinking about this try to figure out who it was.

Well, we have determined who this individual was and this has been verified to us by the people at CAI. And we are talking about an individual by the name of Michael Roberts. He first joined the channel according to my logs.

Now again, let me explain that When you're in an IRC chat channel You can set your program to create a log that is to record everything that is said in the chat channel. And I do that automatically. I've been logging our IRC chat channel all the way back about 96 or so.

I don't have all of them still some have been lost in hard drive crashes and things like that, but I have a pretty complete Log file for about 98 onwards and a search of my log files shows that This individual who used the Nick RW came into our channel for the first time on September 2nd 1999 he joined the channel asked about me and then immediately changed his Nick to KJV thumper and He was claimed to be a King James only fundamentalist.

That had encountered my materials. I talked to him about King James only issues asked answered questions that he had on translation issues things like that and He said he eventually abandoned the King James only position.

He was very active in channel from about 1999 through 2001 and according to my logs the last time that our W was in our channel at all was in June of 2002 very briefly. He was even made an operator there are certain number of people that Can kick people out of channel or or ban people or do things when you know you'll have people come in and start advertising websites or use foul language or whatever and the operators or individuals who take care of situations like that and he was even an op in channel and He was a very young man, I think by my recollection he was about 19 when he first joined the channel, which would make him around 23 now by my calculations and He was a very zealous young man.

And he was what I would call a text sponge. We had over the years I especially had over the years created a series of pop-ups and a pop-up is a you can you can utilize your mouse to bring up a certain menu and You can quote in channel a particular things.

Maybe it's explanation of a Bible verse or in this case especially he showed interest in the pop-ups I had of quotations of early church fathers especially on the subject of Sola Scriptura. And so it was a very regular thing that I would pop up a quote from Basel or from Augustine and a few minutes later.

He would pop it up as well. He had taken it cut pasted he learned how to make pop-ups put it into his IRC setup and would then do the exact same thing and It was during this period of time the David King Who is an operator in our channel a very good friend of mine? was doing the Biggest section of his research and writing on this project.

It was a many-year project. He and Bill Webster worked on this for a long long time and what? David King or as we call him in channel sky man would do is as he was typing up citations as he would be reading and he read extensively just So many volumes and and I know he was doing this because we would discuss the books that he was purchasing.

Investing his own money in buying these things and and he'd say hey, hey James look at look at this book I found and we go and he'd give the URL to the exact book on Amazon or Barnes and Noble or whatever it was that it was found and man sometimes these were very expensive books and sometimes they were just part of a series or something like that and Not always but many times I'd go ahead and pick up the same book myself for my own library.

And so as he'd be reading these works. He'd be typing these things up and he always has and if anyone who has the Holy Scripture series knows there is a particular Form of citation that he utilizes very very regular.

It's a very good form of citation gives the name the general dates birth and death of the individual the quotation source and in a particular format and Everyone who's been in channel in possibly on for any period of time at all from 99 onwards.

Is familiar with the the sky man patristic flood. I mean there were some times when he'd have a whole bunch of them and and the channel would just be filled and You know people got so used to it that if you were interested you'd stop you'd go back.

You'd read all of them and go wow, that's really cool and there'd be a discussion of it. But if you weren't if it wasn't your thing, you just kept going it's it's just like it was just a part of what it was to be in the channel at that time to see these citations and So these things be would be appearing and what would happen is our W would be collecting all these things and In fact, we have a number of citations some of the people in the channel.

Yesterday once we had confirmation that this mr. X source that CAI is saying has converted to Catholicism and is making all these accusations was in fact our W we started looking through our logs and Some of the stuff that came up was very very very interesting for example Eric Nielsen found this one from May 9th of 2000.

I'm involved with it. I don't have this log myself. The reason being and reading it I saw this the part that I'm going to read came from when I was at home and Our home unit has since died and I lost all the logs I had from home.

Then I came back over to the office and I have the rest of this day's Log identical with what mr. Nielsen has sent to me and There was a Catholic that came in channel and RW and Skyman began Dialoguing with him and both of them began posting large portions of text concerning the early church fathers and I believe even materials about the Apocrypha and things like that and We're talking a very large amount of text even I made a comment about man I'm getting dizzy here from all the pop-ups and so on and so forth and then The time here central standard time or this would be mace.

This would be central at daylight time problem 2026 which would be a little bit later in the day, obviously RW says to me after I had made a comment about How many things were being posted. He says this is RW speaking to me.

This is mr. X. I'd make a first-class plagiarist. To which I responded too late. You already are our W. This is at 826 p .m. Is the is the time on on this particular time stamp in this particular log and this is in the midst of Posting all this stuff, which very clearly RW had gotten from Skyman we found places where he's saying.

Hey, did you send me that file and Skyman responds? Well, I'm not holding out on you and I've even got one here. This is from July 28th of 2001 RW messages me and I had men made mention of Something concerning the fact that I had done a PowerPoint presentation the Trinity and I actually have done a very extensive PowerPoint presentation the training and so he messages me and he says that do you have a PowerPoint presentation the Trinity or in the deity of Christ and I responded.

Yes, and He said that do you think I could ask if you email them to me? I would really like to use one this week and one next week on my Sunday school class and My response to him was I'm sure you can produce something quite nice yourself.

No and so by 2001 I have a very clear recollection of quite honestly being a little tired of the constant request. Could you send that to me? I just heard you just did that. Could you send me your debate notes?

Could you send me that? Could you send me this? Constantly collecting all these things and We will I hope remember to do we have by the way those on the other side of the wall. Do we have folks online yet or?

Or not. Oh, we do have our guests online Pastor King as well as mr. Webster are online and you need to reconnect to the chat room. Oh, I do. Yes, sir. Oh, okay. Well, we we had some technical difficulties about five minutes into the webcast and those cleared up real quick.

But you didn't come back. Oh. Well, that's that's nice. That's that's good to know. I wonder why I just figured everybody was absolutely positively fascinated absolutely, I think I just thought everybody's absolutely riveted to what I was saying and That's why it had gone completely quiet and the chat channel was because of that that's that's good to know well, I was simply going to ask a Question at this this point just to verify make sure that I was being accurate as I try to give this introduction.

But if if you could bring a David King up for just a moment, and I just want to verify David in light of what I I had sent things to to Mr. Roberts and you indicated that you had sent actually a number of multiple numbers of text files of patristic citations and Materials you are working on to mr. Roberts as well.

Is that correct? Hello. You got the You hung up on him All right, let's let's get let's try to get Pastor King back in as soon as we do. Okay, we got it. We got okay got down there. Okay, David you there?

Yeah, hey David. I was just gonna ask you real quickly as I'm trying to give this introduction. I had mentioned that I had sent materials To mr. Roberts that he was collecting stuff out of the chat channel and I just wanted to verify from you you also sent him a number of text files of patristic citations during the course of time that we Had contact with him the chat channel, is that correct?

Yes James, that's correct. And that would include Basically, most of the stuff that you were posting bits and pieces in the chat channel The sources that you were pulling that from you you sent them to him.

Did you not? Yes. Okay All right. I just wanted to I just want to double-check that what I'm doing here I'm not sure the nature of the technical difficulties, but I'm just trying to give a background as to where all this this came and Just very quickly You had the opportunity a couple of times I think you said to talk to mr. Roberts on the phone.

I think I recalled calling him the comfort him and the loss of his mother, right? And then I recall another time when his dad was seriously ill and send him an email and Gave him some counsel with respect to that and he was at that time.

He was always Responded to me very.

Respectfully. Okay. All right. Well, that was my understanding. I do not have any recollection of having spoken to To mr. Roberts directly myself outside of the fact that during that period of time he called the dividing line on a regular basis and Those who want to take the time to go back into the archives can tell That there is a Michael from New York who called very frequently.

And he would almost always be Asking questions on the subject of the papacy and Roman Catholicism, even if that was not the subject of the Topic at the time and so there were times that I just quite honestly said this is when we were back on kpxq I would I would message or or during a break.

I would say to the folks in the control room. Look Let's take the ones that are on topic first and if we you know can get to others We'll get to others and maybe that was part of what caused a problem here.

I don't know. We'll get back to Pastor King and to Bill Webster here in a moment. Let me just finish giving this introduction so you all know why this is has happened right before The publication of the Holy Scripture series the three book three volume series of books I learned that RC Roman Catholic apologists Were claiming to be already in possession of the of the text of the book in electronic format and I even remember being asked by either William Webster David King because I had been sent the book because I wrote a forward for the book.

Whether I still had that material if I'd given it to anybody else and I remember digging through the material behind my desk which during During book writing Seasons shall we say tends to grow and become bigger and bigger.

I remember looking through the materials behind my desk and finding the manuscript to make sure no one had Snatched it when I wasn't looking or something like that and hence I was the source of of this materials and like that and I still had it and so we didn't know where this This material had come from.

But I remember very clearly people claiming to have had it In the past week. I have discovered in talking to various Roman Catholics That this material was offered to them by our W And then in fact this of this material that I now am in possession of the text file Is very clearly the work of David King.

It is a compilation of all the materials that have been sent to him over time Utilizing his exact citation methodology, etc. Etc. And This was being sent by our W to Roman Catholic apologists. And this is the first indication that we got of course we did not know this at the time we none of us I mean when this first had when this whole story first broke I was sitting here going who could that be and this man's name and Nick never Crossed my mind at all never.

And so this is just absolutely amazing. So let's fast forward here because I want to bring my guests on real quickly a Few weeks ago. I posted on our website an article. I had written for a an online journal a couple years ago.

They had pulled it. They had taken it off for another for other reasons and so some of you know that I posted a dialogue on Sola Scriptura on our website and A few weeks ago. I discovered that Jacob Michaels Jacob Michael who is as far as I can tell one of the very few people who has stuck with Robert St. Genes over the past year as St. Genes has swung off into not only traditionalism, but also a number of other strange offbeat beliefs Conspiracy theories and so on so forth so much so that even dr. Art Sippo Who is without a doubt the most egregiously nasty Roman Catholic apologist I have ever encountered in my life Has broken ranks with St. Genes and you go to St. Genes's website and you can see Sippo and St. Genes going at each other accusing each other of all the same things that used to accuse me of which I find again very very interesting and So he's gone off and all this stuff and it seems that Jacob Michael was one of the few people that has stuck with St. Genes.

I don't see very much anybody else really writing a lot there and He Started he wrote a response To my fictional dialogue and I had said in my dialogue I see you have not read good. I'm speaking to a Roman Catholic here.

I see you have not read good or Whitaker or salmon or Webster and King. I said smiling yes I surely am but I think it better if we begin with a biblical issue first you said the doctrine is unbiblical correct.

So I was making reference to works on the subject of solo scriptura. And I made reference to historical works good Whitaker salmon. And then I mentioned Webster and King the modern set produced by our guest today then.

He responded with these words. Yes, it is unbiblical. But before we get into that is that the same Webster and King whose historical research assistant recently converted to Catholicism and Revealed that neither Webster nor King even know Latin.

Well, that's another issue I guess let's go back to the part about solo scriptura being unbiblical. Well really I had I had been a part of watching this work being produced over the years, and and I had watched as especially David King with whom I had contact with an almost daily basis through our chat channel was doing this research and and By the way, the only thing I really helped out with was other than praying for them encouraging them was when?

There was be something in Greek to look up because I had the TLG CD-ROM. This is far as lingua greca CD-ROM. I had I had leased it. I don't know about back about 96 97 somewhere around in there and So there would be times that sky man would say James.

Could you look up this statement by? Chrysostom or or something like that if it was an early church father writing in Greek and I remember some times till late at night and and he lives a lot farther east to me.

It's to be a lot later at night for him. We'd be checking citations an amazing thing to do. I realized this may be difficult for a lot of Roman Catholic apologists understand. But see a Webster and King wanted to make sure that what they're finding was accurate and so they were checking Citations and sources and so we would I would try to help with that and there be sometimes I would I would suggest maybe a translational issue with the Greek or something like that and.

So that was you know, that was something that was ongoing. I knew nothing about a historical research assistant let alone conversion and so this this citation came out and David King challenged Jacob Michael about this and That Led to well all sorts of stuff.

The Challenge to Jacob Michael and the Meaning of the Allegations

So let's go ahead and bring our guests on now so we can talk about this all together I'm joined by David King. We talked just briefly with Dave a few moments ago and by William Webster.

Let's make sure we've got everybody there David. Can you hear me? Yes. Thanks James. Hi deal. Hi David. Hi James.

Hi, how you doing boy? You guys sound great. I'm glad we have this new phone system. All right, so Jacob. Michael says David King had a historical research assistant that converted. Was that the first time that either of you had heard anything about this at all?

It was the very first time I had ever been informed of a historical research assistant James. I I have. Every time I hear it, it's very difficult for me to keep from laughing. I Did have a historical research assistant, his name is Bill Webster, that's right.

No kidding. Yeah, it was news to me to James and you know, I thought it I thought I knew David pretty well. He must be hiding somebody in the closet. I didn't know about I thought I was his research assistant.

There you go. Yeah, this was this was totally.

News to us. Okay. So now David you had contact with Jacob Michael through Eric Spenson's web board and so you challenged him and.

How would you characterize his response to your challenge? Well his response to my challenge was that basically mr X said it and we know what that mr. X what he said is true and therefore it must be true.

And then You would very distinctly get the impression that the burden of proof then shifted upon me to disprove what? Mr. X has alleged. And You know, it's sort of like asking you to prove a negative.

How can you prove something that never was right, right?

And so basically he would not step up to the plate now myself Timothy Enloe. Both of us pointed out the fact and I believe bill you even came on to the web board. Which is not your type of thing. In fact bill.

Have you ever been in our chat channel? No. So to say this book was written in IRC chat channels would mean you didn't have anything to do with right? Oh, that's right so Timothy Enloe and myself we went on the on the board and you actually signed on to the web board to also post a Response to this and Timothy and I both pointed out the same thing and that is well, let's for a moment.

Let's just for a second. Guess and say okay. Let's say there was a research assistant exactly. What is the apologetic value of this person's conversion and what we're trying to get to is the fact that by mentioning this their entire?

Thrust has been to try to in some way to cast aspersions upon the quality and the the nature of The the set that you all have produced. That's very clearly. Is that not how you read it as well?

It's only the way that I read it because no one to this to this point in time has really Engaged us in a in a responsible way on the the subject of the book itself, right? You know, there are all these allegations out.

No one has ever taken a look at what it really says and try to deal with us in an honest way. I.

Just I'd mentioned in passing that Eric Svensson has just joined the chat channel. So we have we have everybody on board here all at once. So in essence, he he basically would not reveal his sources. I wrote to him personally.

This is Jacob Michael Challenging him on this. He he would not he said. We look we can't we can't tell who this is and I'm like How can you make this kind of accusation? Make these kind of assertions.

By the way in what I read This this source has revealed that you gentlemen are not Latin scholars. Now, could you show me where in your three volume set you all claim to be Latin scholars?

We've never made a claim to be Latin scholars. Never made a claim that we could translate. Obviously if we're not Latin scholars. We can't translate. The interesting thing is then the entirety of the except for the section that deals with the Canon in volume 2 one quotation.

Well, no, let me put it this way. There is one quotation from Ambrose standpoint. That is a translation that we had done that deal with the Canon. There's one from Isidore Seville that deals with the Canon and there's one from Pope Galatias That deals with the Canon.

Those are all from the patristic age. Apart from those and there is no other and that all deals with is and the major theologians of the Middle Ages.

Well now there is a I'm aware of this but not necessarily everyone else. Is David your volume.

You wrote Volume 1 and that deals primarily with what deals primarily with the biblical case for sola scriptura.

Now it does contain some patristic citations or does it not? I think it has about 59 if our account is correct.

I think that's right bill. 59 patristic citations. 59 Latin patristic citations. Okay, my father's to that there may be an equal number from the Greek fathers. Okay. Oh, yes, that's correct.

But everything that you just mentioned bill is in volume two, which you wrote on the historical issues. That's right. Now then what would be the relevance of anything that mr X had to say then regarding any of this unless he's saying that the Notre Dame scholars don't know what they're doing.

Well, he did not. He was apparently not aware that all of the translation work we had done came from the University of Notre Dame. He makes the allegation that we were using someone from Emory University to do the translation work because we didn't.

We found that the Translations didn't agree with what we wanted them to say. Right. And we did not use anyone from Emory.

And that would not be something that someone who merely had The Quotations from the chat channel would have any knowledge of. Is it well.

Well, certainly not. And another thing involved in what bill just mentioned. Apparently, mr. X claims he was privy to a conference call that revealed the.

Conspiracy, but none of its true. Yeah, I was yeah, I want to talk about that in just a few moments I want to get the rest of this accusation out then we can take apart the the details. So we've got David King writes volume one.

It's on the biblical material volume two is on the historical material and in Canon and volume Three is primarily a compilation of patristic sources citations both from Latin and Greek fathers and people like that.

Will that be a fair evaluation of just sort of an outline of what the the set is all about right, right? Okay. All right. So Mr. Let's go back to Jacob Michael. He's challenged. Who is this person? What's the apologetic value of this?

Don't you realize this is a pretty this is this is pretty low stuff to use an unnamed source To basically attempt to attack a work Not on the basis of what it says. But on and and and you all did not even claim to be Latin experts in the first place.

Isn't this pretty much yellow journalism? His response wasn't overly positive. And as I understand he was kicked off of the Web board that is run by our expense. Is that correct?

Yes, that's correct change, okay. All right.

The Alleged Cash Payments, Research Assistants, and Reformation Press

So that was what about two three weeks ago. Nothing happens in between time and then. Bill. When did I call you this week or last week? Was it was it Wednesday or Tuesday? I was the same day that David you went away.

Which I was gone two or three days on vacation. Yeah, I'll be on Tuesday. I think okay.

I come into channel and Eric Nielsen very quickly gave me a URL and I went to The Catholic International Catholic apologetics international website and that is where I read coming soon the Lion King ly I an apostrophe or David King and the Deformation deception.

Now, you can still see that title at least at the time that this Program began you can still see that title on the front page but if you click on it just takes you back to the front page because this has been pulled and Here Jacob Michael, this is dated April 22nd 2004.

Promises the posting of a full-length interview Sunday sometime on Sunday and This is the article in which mr. X is quoted. Now, I'm going to pretty much ignore some of the Silliness at the beginning of this article that talks about the NTR min web forum and and Things like that because I think it's sort of silly.

He mentions that I emailed him that That I hinted threatened is probably too strong of a word that he was going to dedicate an upcoming episode of his radio program. The dividing line to this very issue supposedly to expose another in a long line of examples of deceitful Catholic apologetics.

Well, that's exactly what's ended up happening. Again I refused to reveal anything more than I was allowed to reveal. So he then posts a section Saying to mr. King that you owe him an apology now. Where he is allegedly?

Dialoguing with mr. X and mr. X. Let me just give some of the specifics of what he says here because this is no longer on the Catholic international calm website. And Mr. Michael says I know what you mean.

Can I ask a few preliminary questions now to give our readers an idea of what's coming this Sunday? Mr. X sure can mr Michael, okay. Did you work directly with William Webster or David King or both? Mr. X?

I worked mostly through David King. I met with David King often. Let me stop right there. Have you ever met?

Mr. X David. Well at the time. I didn't know who mr. X was. Well, I had no idea who I'd been meeting with often. But when this person's name was revealed, I'm certain that I have never met with him face-to-face.

Okay, that'd be Michael Roberts. Okay.

We continue. Mr. Michael interesting and this is a little confusing because it's Jacob Michael and Michael Roberts. So it's it's hard to that's why I'm using mr. X so we don't lose track of who's who here.

Jacob Michael interesting. He has denied having worked with any kind of a research assistant. Mr. X interesting. Mr Michael how extensive was your involvement in your opinion? Here's here's an interesting one.

Mr X I would be given a list of books to find. I would find them read certain areas, etc. I did some editing work. I also funded an extensive amount of this project as well. You can't keep from laughing here there David.

It is hard, mr. Michael, how many hours would you say you put in per week? Mr. X 20 or more? Mr. Michael for how many weeks or months? Mr. X I'd say about seven months. Actually, I would say I worked on the book for almost a year because I sent Scott Windsor Stephen Ray and a few others Around 200 pages of quotes that I put together.