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Praise to the Sovereign King, hear, hear His people sing,

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So holy and holy, saving His own bride. There where the

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Lamb has died, high, the Christ is crucified, Washed by the blood of that great

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High Priest. Praise to the

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Sovereign King, hear, hear

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His people sing, Praise to the

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Sovereign King, hear, hear

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His people sing, Praise to the Sovereign King, hear, hear His people sing, Praise to the Sovereign King, hear, hear

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His people sing. Yeah, the wife would be not very happy with that. So like something like this, right, we can go to like John chapter 8, verses 24 right here, right?

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And so Greek will read left to right, so it says in here, I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins, for not you believe that I am.

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You shall die in your sins. So that's hard to read. It is very hard to read.

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Have you read all of it in this one? No, I haven't. Don't worry. So if you can see real close there, that word 1473 and 1510 right there, so those words, there's ego, emi in the

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Greek, and so that's what I was telling you about the other day at Chick -fil -A, that's Jesus Christ and they're saying unless you believe ego, emi, unless you believe

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I am, that's what that word is, you shall die in your sins. So that's what like a Christian would say is an essential

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Christianity, that you can't say I'm Christian or I'm saved if you say

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I don't believe Jesus is the one and only I am. You see what I'm saying? Because that's what Jesus says.

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You have to believe this or else you are dying in your sins. It's pretty simple, right? Totally.

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So there's more to that, but yeah, that's the… There's a lot more to it, right? And so…

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We don't want those to fall. No, yeah, you're good. And then, so yeah, so… That's way cool. I didn't even know that.

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I was going to run upstairs to grab my Bible anyway. I grabbed some older ones for you. So these are just some NASBs that I have that you guys more than welcome to open up right now if you want.

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So New American Standard Version. What's the difference from this and the King James Bible? So the 19… So the

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King James Version of the Bible was translated in 1611, right? Right. And it was under the command from King James himself.

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Right. It was about… I can't remember how many scholars there were off the top of my head, but… A lot. They were working with the works of antiquity that they had at that day.

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They were working with manuscripts that they had at that day, which it was a good translation, but we have more manuscripts today that date further back than what the

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King James people were using. And so what this one would have is really no differences between the

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King James Version. It's just going to be a lot easier to read for us. Because I don't know…

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When you guys go to the grocery store, we don't talk to the cashier in now's and these and I's. We don't do that, right?

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Because we speak English, right? And so that's why when we read a William Shakespeare play, it sounds like the

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King James Version, right? It sounds like… Because it was written back in those days. And so an

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NESB is a really, really literal translation of the text, so it sounds somewhat choppy in some areas.

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Right. But it's a lot easier to read than the King James Version of that text because it's written in the modern language. It's funny.

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I haven't really looked into the differences of the Bible. I've never understood why we read the King James Bible. I think it's just because…

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This one's listening pretty good. I don't really know that. Is there more books in this version? Nope. So that's 66 books,

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Genesis to Revelation in there, and no Apocrypha or anything along those lines. Got it, got it. That's cool. And also another question

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I have is… I'm always open for questions. So which one's more… Is there like a more correct version?

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So that's a really good question. I feel like the most correct might be this one. The most correct is going to be the original. Technically. The most correct is if you and I went and learned

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Greek and Hebrew. Right. And we went and read Dead Sea Scrolls and the earliest manuscripts that we have.

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Okay. Those are going to be the most accurate to what we could possibly have. Right. But the cool thing is that we can look throughout history and see that there is 6 ,000 copies or partials or full manuscripts of different accounts in the

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New Testament, and they all tell the exact same thing. And so what's really neat about that is that I can learn

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Greek and Hebrew and translate it into the exact same thing I have here. Right? And so that's the cool thing that in Isaiah chapter 55 it says that my word will go out and accomplish.

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It will not return to me void. It will accomplish what it needs to accomplish. And so the cool part is that God has preserved his word enough to where this right here is not inspired.

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It's English, right? Yeah. People have translated it into English. This is the word of God.

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This is the word of God. And that's so cool to be able to show people. Right. But obviously God doesn't speak

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Latin, right? He speaks probably his own language. So even in that, it's not even perfect, but it looks like the

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God's a person. He has given us the means to be able to understand who he is. Without any...

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That's kind of what I've decided with this. It's all God's word, and he's given us a way to read it.

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So in the end, I'm not sinning for reading a different version of the Bible, right? Well, no, absolutely.

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So yeah, let me be clear. There is some bad translation. So I can grab you what's called the

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New Living Translation. It's by the Jehovah Witnesses. So let me give you an example of something.

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So I could show you this from their own Bible, right? And we could open it up in Kinear, and I could show you how you need to translate each word according to the

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Greek and whatnot. But in John chapter 1, right? This is one of my favorite Bible verses. It says, In the beginning was the

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Word, was the Logos. And the Logos was with Theos, God.

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And the Word, Logos, was Theos. And this is the same

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Theos that we were told, that there's no other Theos before nor after, but there's only one God, right? And then it goes on to say,

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All things came into being by him, and apart from him nothing has come into being that has come into being. It's speaking about the

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Logos again. And then in verse 14 it says, And the Logos became flesh and dwelt.

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And that word right there, it says dwelt because it's easier for us to read it in English. That word is literally tabernacled amongst us.

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He tabernacled amongst us, and we beheld his glory, glory of the only begotten, from the Father, full of grace and truth.

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And so what this book does is tell you exactly what you just said. Exactly. So I can read it. I actually don't know what tabernacle really means.

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So what was the tabernacle in the Old Testament? It was the place that they would use as a tent to move the

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Ark of the Covenant, the temple, right, as they were moving, right? And so what Jesus is for us is the better temple, the fulfillment of the temple.

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The temple was pointing towards Jesus. The Ark of the Covenant that had three things inside of it. There was the

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Ten Commandments, the rod of Aaron that had budded, and the manna that was kept inside the

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Ark. So just to run those things down real fast. I'm super excited about this stuff.

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I love it, right? Right, right. I can tell your enthusiasm. I think it's sweet. So the rod of Aaron represented prophets, prophecies.

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The manna represented the flesh. Jesus says in John chapter 6, I have come from above,

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I am the bread of life. Or John 5, by mixing those ones up. So the bread is in there. And then you also have the

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Ten Commandments, and Jesus Christ didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. In fact, in Matthew chapter 3, verse 15,

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John the Baptist says, I have need to be baptized of you. I'm not going to do it. He says, well, no, it is fitting for me to fulfill all righteousness.

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So he fulfills all prophecies. He is the flesh that I could not live. He's the perfect life that I could not live.

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And not only this, but he's fulfilled all righteousness. He was made under the law and obeyed the Father in Philippians chapter 2.

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And so we see Jesus Christ tabernacling amongst us. That was God's dwelling place in a tent.

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Moving physically through the world. And so we see that God became flesh, dwelt amongst us.

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We held his glory. We got full grace and truth from the Father. And what is even more remarkable about that kind of a text.

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And this is where... So I don't know if you remember a lot from our conversation from the chicken. I remember a little bit. But this is why it's so, so important about what

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I'm going to say, okay? In that same chapter of John chapter 1 where it talks about Jesus Christ dwelling amongst us.

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Tabernacling amongst us. It says prior to those verses that he came unto his own and his own did not receive him.

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Okay? And in John chapter 19 it says that they see Jesus and Pilate says,

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I see no guilt. This man has done nothing wrong. And the

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Jews say, no. He being a man has made himself out to be the son of God in chapter 19.

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In John chapter 10 in verses 10, 30 through 32. In John 10 he says,

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I am the father of one. And the Jews say, you being a man have made yourself out to be equal with God.

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And then, you being a man have made yourself out to be God. And in John chapter 5 when he says that I am the bread of life.

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The Jews say, you have made yourself out to be equal with God. And so we see those three terms. Equal with God.

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Being God. And son of God. All being the same thing that the Jews are accusing Jesus Christ of. And that was blasphemy.

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That was the only thing that they could crucify Christ on. Was because they did not see Jesus Christ as being the one and only

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God. From all eternity to eternity. There was none before nor after. They couldn't recognize him as that.

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And so that's why they rejected him. And so because of that, they cry out to Pilate. They say, away with him.

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Away with him. Crucify him. So Pilate then takes an inscription and writes it above his head in multiple languages.

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And that was, Jesus Christ the Nazarene. The king of the Jews. And they were mad at that.

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Pilate wrote that? Pilate wrote that. They were mad at that. They said, no, we have no king but Caesar.

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So he came unto his own and his own did not receive him. But instead they rejected him.

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Crucify him. And so thinking about this for ourselves, right?

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And this goes back to our conversation, right? Do you remember what I told you the gospel was that day? I think it was just believing in Jesus, right?

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Somewhat. So in 1 Corinthians, well let me, because I asked you what the gospel was and I can't remember exactly what you told me either.

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So let me ask you, I only have 30 seconds longer to live. Let's just say you knew I was going to die, right?

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What would you tell me the gospel was? The gospel of Jesus Christ? The gospel of Jesus Christ is faith, repentance, baptism, seeing him against the

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Holy Ghost, and adoring him. So Articles of Faith 4, and that comes also from the LDS website on the topic of the gospel,

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I think in section paragraph 2. You know what it says? Yeah. Article 4 does.

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It talks a lot about that. It talks a lot about baptism. So do I need to do those things in order to have salvation?

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Do I need to do those things to partake in the gospel? Yeah. So let me run some stuff by you, okay?

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Okay. So Galatians chapter 1 verses 8 through 9 says, If we or an angel come to you and preaches to you a gospel contrary to the one that you have yet received, let him be accursed.

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And likewise, if a man comes to you and preaches to you a gospel contrary to the one that you have yet received, let him be accursed.

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That's verse 9 of chapter 1 of Galatians. The gospel in its shortest summation, right?

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Because that's something, in that text it only says there's one gospel, and if we preach something different than that, they are to be accursed.

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It doesn't matter if it's an angel, man, woman. It doesn't matter. Even us is what it says. Even if we preach something different than what we've already told you, we are to be accursed, right?

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Right, right. So there's only one gospel, and it's so important that we have it correct. And so what you just described to me is not found in 1

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Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1 through 4. Okay. Is that the gospel? That's where the shortest summation of the gospel is.

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I would say the gospel is written in every single verse in the Bible. Okay. Would that be everything in the

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Bible is a gospel? So let me explain on that a little bit. I just want to quote verses 1 through 4.

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Totally. Oh, sorry. Verses 1 and 2, so without reading it right away, right? Which we can read it here in a second.

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But verses 1 and 2 talk about we have to be built in this gospel. You have to stand in it, and if we don't believe in it, we're not saved.

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So we're saved by having faith in this gospel of institution. And Paul says that it's the very gospel that he is saved by too.

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Verses 3 and 4 says, and the gospel is this, that Jesus Christ died for our sins according to Scriptures, and that he was buried and rose on the third day according to Scriptures.

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Okay. And so the gospel message, if I was to tell you in 30 seconds, without using those exact words from 1

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Corinthians 15, 1 through 4, is this. That you and I are dead in our sins by nature children of wrath.

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We have violated the law of God. We fall short of his glory. All our righteous deeds, no matter what they are, baptism, helping 10 old ladies across the street.

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Right, right. All filthy rags in the eyes of the Lord. Unless you have faith. Matthew chapter 7 verses 23 through 24 says that there will be many in the last day that say,

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Lord, Lord, have we not cast out demons in your name? Have we not prophesied in your name? Look at all these mighty, wonderful works

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I have done in your name. And what does Christ say to them? Be apart from me, ye workers of iniquity. I never knew you.

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So what do we do then? So what is this gospel message, right? This is the good news. That Jesus, because I, so in Psalm 51 verse 6

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I believe it is, it says that I have sinned against God and God alone. So you and I, we've sinned only against God.

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The 10 commandments, I don't hold the 10 commandments over you, right? God only does, right? So I've sinned against God.

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So if I invited you to my house right now, and I told you this analogy, right?

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So this Bible means a lot to you, right? Oh, I remember this, I remember this, yeah. Let's just say it was a $200

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Bible. You throw it off and it gets messed up. Can't read it ever again. Is it true forgiveness? And I'll ask him that because you know the answer.

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Is it true forgiveness if I say, I forgive you, but you pay me back for that Bible? I would not say it's true forgiveness.

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That's not forgiveness. No, no, I would not. That's him paying a debt back. Exactly, exactly. He owes me $200. And I would agree with you on that, huh?

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Yeah. So would this be forgiveness, right? So he knocks the Bible over, $200.

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I say, it's okay, I'll have my son pay for it. No. No, my son doesn't own this

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Bible. I own the Bible. Exactly right. So what is true forgiveness? I say, bro, don't worry.

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Got it? I'm going to go and buy this for you. You are forgiven. Go for it. Mm -hmm. That's forgiveness, right?

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Right, right. And so that's exactly what God did. John chapter 1, verse 1. It says, in the beginning was the

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Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So I've sinned against the Word of God. Mm -hmm.

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The Word became flesh, dwelt among us as we beheld His glory, glory of the only begotten, full of grace and truth.

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Mm -hmm. He was rejected. He lived the life I could not live. He obeyed the commandments. He never violated anything, right?

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Mm -hmm. And since he lived that life that I could not live, he died the death that I deserve.

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Mm -hmm. I deserve the cross. I deserve Calvary. Not only that, but in 1 Peter it says, that he bore my sin upon the cross.

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And in 2 Corinthians chapter 5, verse 21, it says that he who knew no sin, speaking once again of living the life

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I can't live. Right, right. Became sin on our behalf so that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

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Mm -hmm. So the gospel message is that it's Jesus Christ's death that took away my sin.

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Death is burial and resurrection that rose him up through victory and grace. Mm -hmm. Because it could not hold him.

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He had the keys to it. He conquered it. And so that's the gospel message. And so what you explained to me is not the gospel.

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And let me be clear in this, right? Okay. Romans 3, chapter 3, verse 28 says, for we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart.

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So important that we understand that. Okay, okay. Greek and Hebrew. It's in the Greek. It says apart from good works.

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Galatians chapter 16, or Galatians chapter 2, verse 16 says that we know that a man is not justified by the works of law, but only through faith in Christ.

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And in verse 21 it says, for if we say that righteousness comes through the law, so meaning we're baptized, we obey the

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Ten Commandments, I think I'm righteous, I've done obedience, I've endured to the end.

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Right, right. Of all these things that are in that LDS website's definition of the gospel. Verse 21 of Galatians chapter 10 says,

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Christ died. Ephesians chapter 2, 8 and 9 says, we are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves, lest any man should boast.

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It's not a result of our works, right? So, yeah. And so,

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I know it sounds like we're saying a lot of the same things, right? Yeah, I think I remember trying to piece together the main differences.

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I know. But so let me be clear in this, right? Because you guys have Jesus Christ on your name tags, right? We do. So, if I told you that I know who

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Jesus Christ is, you're probably going to say that's a really good thing. Yeah. What happens if I told you Jesus Christ goes by Jesus and he's the cashier at Fred Meyer and that's who

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I buy my groceries from? I would disagree, yeah. You would say, that's not the Jesus I have faith in. That's true. Don't believe in that one.

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Run to the Jesus of the Bible, right? You would point me in a different direction. Absolutely. If I told you I have a son, right, and his name is

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Shepard. But he's actually...

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Shepard, he goes by yada yada, right? You're going to say, we don't even know your own son. That's so silly. And so, tell me if I'm right on this, right?

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Alright. Because I was LDS for 19 years and so I don't want to be rude when I try to describe things to you guys. I want you guys to tell me if I'm right or not.

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No, you're not. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is a separate being than the Father? I do.

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Do you believe that he's brothers of Satan, spiritual brothers of Satan? And us. And us.

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Yes. Do you believe that he is the ultimate creator, that there's no gods before nor shall there be after him?

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No. Do you agree with that? Can I say that again? Yeah, rephrase that one. Say it again, yes. Do you believe Jesus, the word,

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Jesus Christ, do you believe he's the creator of all things and that there's nothing that exists apart from him and there's nothing before him nor after him?

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I'm not going to lie, that one I don't really know. I would say that.

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He has created all things that we can see. But I do believe that. I used to be LDS, so I can tell you,

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Abraham chapter 4, it says that he didn't create everything, that he's just a remolder of previously existing material.

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Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I guess that's kind of true, I guess, yeah. So, we can do it in three different ways. So, Manny, do you see how what

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I've described is a different Jesus, a different gospel, than what you guys are believing in as a

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Jesus and your gospel? Not completely different, but yeah. There is a difference. So, I'm saying that even if somebody says they're a

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Christian, they say, I'm a Christian. Right, right. I believe in Jesus Christ. Definitions mean a lot to you, right?

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That's right. Muslims believe in Jesus Christ, too. Do they worship him?

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No. No, they don't. So, you worship him, you pray to Jesus Christ, you sing songs to Jesus Christ, you worship

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Jesus Christ in those ways. Are you able to pray directly to Jesus Christ? I mean, not really.

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So, let me explain a little bit more. Revelation chapter 22, it says that John falls before the angel that's revealing things to him and he starts to worship.

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Do not do this. Worship God. Okay? We are to worship God alone. I agree.

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We are to worship God. Isaiah chapter 6, it says, Isaiah saw God sitting upon his throne, Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim.

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It says Elohim, Jehovah. I saw. I saw. You would say they're two different people.

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I'm saying they're one being. I know. And so, this is where we're going to disagree on things.

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But Isaiah chapter 6 says he sees Elohim sitting upon his throne and receiving worship from the angel saying, holy, holy, holy.

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John chapter 12, verse 41, it says that Isaiah saw him and spoke of his glory, speaking of Jesus Christ.

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Yes. Isaiah saw Jesus upon the throne, Elohim, Yahweh, being worshipped. And that whole chapter in Isaiah chapter 6 says, you'll go to the people and say, they have ears that cannot hear, hearts that cannot understand, eyes that cannot see.

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And John chapter 12 says that the fulfillment of that is the Jews rejecting Christ. They had ears that could not hear, eyes that could not see, hearts that could not believe.

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And what is that speaking of? That Jesus Christ proclaimed to be God. Yes. And they rejected him.

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And so what I'm saying is, it's my worry for you guys today, and what I used to believe in, that for 19 years,

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I truly believed that I was blaspheming the name of God for 19 years, guys. Oh. I was rejecting the

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Jesus Christ of the Bible. And I'm saying that I think you guys are doing the same thing right now. And I'm terribly worried for you guys.

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And so how are we saved then? How are we saved? I want you guys to repent. So repent, that word means change of mind.

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Change of mind. Not believe that Jesus Christ is different than God. I want you to look to Jesus Christ alone for your righteousness, because it's his finished work upon the cross.

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What was the final word that Jesus said on the cross? Do you guys know? It is. Forgive me. Forgive that.

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So that's the first one. I don't know. I would have to open it up. Right, right. No, I believe that.

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What's the last one then? The last thing he says is, it is. It is finished. When he was like,

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I'm just done. So that word is a transactional word. And in Romans chapter 6 verse 23 it says,

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So our wage, our righteousness, the thing that I think I do that's good, is actually death.

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It's collected a debt. It's sin. And so the wage of sin. So when

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I go to work I get paid with money, right? When I live in this life and I try to do good works, it's death.

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That's my wage. That's your wage. That's my wage. Okay, okay. And so that word, tetelestai, there's ancient

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Greek documents of receipts. So you know when you go to the store and you pay with a credit card or a debit card and it says at the bottom, total owed zero.

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You paid it, right? You paid in full. You get to go out of the store and not have to worry about them calling the cops on you. Okay, okay.

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That Greek word, tetelestai, is found on ancient Greek receipt documents. So you go buy a donkey and let's say you paid $50 for it, they would say, tetelestai at the bottom saying, you owe nothing more.

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Okay. And so Jesus Christ, it says that knowing all things had been accomplished. The only reason he could know that all things were accomplished was because he was

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God in flesh on mission. It said, tetelestai. God's finished.

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I paid it. I paid it all. And then he died. Yeah. And then he was buried. And where was he buried at?

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In a garden where no one else had laid. And where was Adam and Eve at when they first were created from the dust of the earth?

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In a garden that they couldn't obey. They were cast out into the world. Jesus went into the world, obeyed it perfectly, and we cast him back into the garden.

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But he can't obey it. Okay, sorry. He obeyed it, right? Yeah. He lived the life

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I could not live. He died the death that I deserved. He was buried and rose again on the third day.

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That's the gospel message. So if you guys were to leave this doorstep right now, I think this was absolutely sovereignly accrued that you were able to knock on my door here.

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I really do. I'm telling you guys right now. You've been on your mission for four months?

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Three weeks. Three weeks. I'm telling you right now. Galatians chapter 1, 8 through 9 applies to me and it applies to you as well.

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Are we going to fall upon the gospel that was proclaimed in the 1800s? Or are we going to fall upon the gospel that's proclaimed in the

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Bible? Because Joseph Smith proclaimed this. He said, in verse 19 of Joseph Smith's history,

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I actually was reading it today. It says in there that he sees the Father and the Son. Jesus says, no one has seen the

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Father, no one. Joseph Smith says that he saw him. And he says that the

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Son, Jesus says that all their abominations and professing creeds are nothing but, what does it say?

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All their professing creeds are an abomination in my sight. Those are the creeds

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I hold to. And so Joseph Smith is saying that my creeds are an abomination in the sight of the

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Lord. And this is my creed. I'm saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

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And that's according to the Word of God alone, and it is to be His glory alone. And I'm going to worship Jesus. I'm going to be prostrate before Him.

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I'm going to sing worship to Him because He did what I could not do on my behalf. And so we're saying two completely different gospels.

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We're talking about two completely different gods. And would it be fair if you guys were to leave here right now, and I was to say to my neighbors,

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I'm Mormon. Would it be fair for me to say I'm a Mormon? I say I reject Joseph Smith. I reject

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Russell M. Nelson. I reject the temples. I reject the Book of Mormon. Would it be fair for me to say I'm a

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Mormon? No. Yeah, of course not. That's a categorical error, right?

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That's true. You guys can't claim to be a Christian.

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You just can't because of the definitions, because of that which is in the Word of God. And so once again,

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I'm the chief of sinners. Guys, you've got to trust me on this. Oh, no, I don't. I promise you this.

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I know you're a good guy. I'm a chief of sinners. But my sin be so great,

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I have a far greater Savior, God Himself standing in my place. The Trinity is that there's three persons, the

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Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yes. One being. Not three beings. One being.

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Just as you and I are one person, one being, God is three persons, one being. Because why? God has said there's none before me, none after me, but we have three separate persons in both the

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Old Testament and the New Testament that claim to be that one being, Elohim, Yahweh. Yeah.

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They all claim it. And that cannot work if we say that there's a plurality of gods, because then

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God has lied about it. Right. God has lied. So what are you guys going to do today?

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Because what I'm saying, guys, this is what I want you to do. You fall upon your knees before Jesus Christ and the

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Bible. I think I'll pray. I'll pray and see if the things that you're saying are true. So this is my encouragement for you.

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Is two plus two four? Yep. Is it four depending on how I feel about it? No. Is it four depending on how you feel about it?

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No. What happens if I said I really feel like it's five? Two plus two is five. You're wrong. Okay.

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No matter what kind of feeling you get about the Word of God, this is truth. The Bible is truth. John 14, verse 6 says,

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I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. What if I believe very equally strongly about the

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Book of Mormon? So then let's look at the claims in there and compare it to the Word of God. In James 2,

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Nephi 25, verse 23, it says in there, For by grace ye are saved.

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And if it's ended there, I'd be like, sweet, amen. It says after all you can do. In Moroni chapter 8, one of those two chapters, it says,

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If you deny yourself of all ungodliness, then his grace is sufficient for you. It teaches what's called a works -based salvation.

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Just like what you were saying is the gospel, is that we have to endure to the end and obey and be baptized and so on and so forth.

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Once again, that means that Christ, according to Galatians chapter 2, verse 21, Christ died needlessly.

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Does it ever say similar things like how works are needed, right? No. Does it say that ever in the

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Bible? No. So James chapter 2, which I'm assuming is what you're thinking of in the back of your head right now. No, I actually don't.

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So can I show you something really cool? So if you guys go to your mission president and say,

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I had this wacko Christian guy, right? He said he was Christian for 19 years.

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He's going to say, or you're going to say to him, he said that somebody saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

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It's not our works. You're going to say, well, the Bible says faith without works is dead. Yes. And so therefore the book of Mormon is true.

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So James chapter 2 is one of my favorite chapters in the entire Bible. So I'm sure you guys heard this.

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Did you guys graduate from seminary? I did graduate from seminary, but we missed one of the years. You did not?

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What? Oh my goodness. So I graduated from seminary with all four years and memorized all 100 scripture masteries.

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That's why. We switched it up, so we don't memorize anymore, but that's awesome. They don't anymore? What? Yeah, I know. I got screwed is what you're talking about.

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So James chapter 2, the context starts in verse 10.

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So let me walk you through it without reading this whole thing. But chapter 10 says, For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at one point has become guilty of it all.

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So have you guys ever lied in your whole lives? Absolutely. You're guilty of all 10. You're a murderer. You're a blasphemer.

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You're an adulterer. You are guilty of it all. Got it. So the wage of sin is death. You're guilty of it all.

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You're deserving of the full wrath of God. It just means that I get what you're saying. You're just saying that this verse is just saying that. It's very important.

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It's like how we're like cherry picking. Yeah. So James chapter 2, this whole context here is speaking about Christians, right?

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And in verse 14, it says, What uses it, my brethren? So he's speaking in a church context.

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If a man says he has faith but has no words. So he's saying, look, if there's this guy over here that's saying he's a

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Christian, but yet he has no words. Is it speaking about justification between God and man?

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Or is it speaking about me looking at a man and telling him he's safe? What do you think? I don't think so. No, it's definitely just between him and God.

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It's speaking about like if you said I'm a Christian and you were kicking a homeless person. You're literally kicking a homeless person.

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I'm going to say you're not a Christian. You don't know God. You can't say that you're a Christian to act like that.

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And so it's about justification between. It's a horizontal justification. I get what you mean.

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He says he has faith, but he has no works. Can that faith save him?

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It's a dead faith. It's not a real faith. And so that's why it says even the demons believe in shudder.

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It's a faith that doesn't save. It's speaking of something that is a false belief. And so when your mission president takes you here, what's the example of the works that are given in James chapter two?

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So let's say we're justified by works. James chapter two says without works, faith is dead.

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What are the works that are talked about in James chapter two? Abraham offering up to Isaac.

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That's how Abraham was justified. Should I take my son right now and go kill him? Probably not, but that's the example in James chapter two.

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It does not say in there for me to obey the Ten Commandments. It tells me to go and kill my son like Abraham did. Right. So that's not the application that we want to take away from this text.

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It quotes from Romans chapter four. It says that Abraham believed

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God and was reckoned righteousness. That comes from prior to Genesis chapter 20 or 22 where he offers up Isaac.

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So it says in Genesis chapter 15 that he was reckoned righteousness.

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15 is before 22, yeah? Yeah. Was he reckoned righteousness before he offered up Abraham or Isaac?

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Yeah. So it's just speaking as an evidence goes. I say I'm a Christian and if I'm kicking a homeless person,

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I'm not a Christian. But if I say I'm a Christian and I'm giving that homeless person the gospel, I'm clothing him, I'm feeding him, was

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I saved when I did that or was I saved the day I believed? Exactly. Amen. See, James 2 is one of my favorite chapters to go to to show faith in God alone for our immediate salvation.

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So he quotes from Romans chapter 4 too as well. May I ask you before we continue? I understand.

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I understand. I understand. Let me just read this with you real fast. Okay. I understand. Yeah. So Romans chapter 4, it says,

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What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, according to the flesh, has found?

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For Abraham was justified by works. For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

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For what does Scripture say? And Abraham believed God and was reckoned to him as righteousness. Now to the one who works his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but what is due.

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It's reckoned as a wage. So there is no such thing as a faith plus works salvation.

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It's either you're going to obey all the law and be perfect the day you're born and go on without sinning.

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Because we're not perfect. We won't ever be perfect. It's only through the righteousness of Christ.

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Why are you such a nice person then? Why do you continue doing good things? And that's what it says. That's what it's saying.

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That's a great question. If you're claiming you're a Christian, but then you're not showing it, right? You're not showing it.

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You're not doing the things that Christ has told you to do, right? Then you're not a Christian. Then it's blasphemy. So what if you believe in Christ?

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What if you are kicking a homeless person? So you're not a Christian. So that's a great question. Let's just say, for an example,

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I was saying I was a Christian and I'm still kicking a homeless person. You have done a lot of things before.

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Your foot just slips. Let's say it just slips. There's times as Christians I still sin, man.

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I know my sin far better today than I did yesterday. And I know today I'm far better or far worse sinner than I was yesterday, yes.

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But John 14, it says that God gives us a commandment that as Christians, he says that you should love one another and the whole world should recognize you because of your love.

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It should be the veil. Just as a married woman wears a veil or an engaged woman would wear a veil, just as I wear this wedding ring so people know

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I'm married, the world should see he loves people. He's a Christian. That's how I'm going to recognize him.

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And in that same area of verses, it says that the world's going to actually hate you because they first hated me.

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So even when the world hates a Christian, even when they're cutting off our heads, you're still going to love them.

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You're still going to share the gospel with them. And part of that love, if I saw a train coming down at railroads and I say

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I love this person, would it be okay if I walked away as it about to get hit by a train? Or would it be loving for me to push him off the tracks?

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It would be loving for you to push him off the track. But you could still be Christian after that. I'm pushing you off the tracks of LDS. I'm pushing you off.

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I'm telling you. I know you guys have a testimony. I had one too. I believe it.

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I know you guys have read the Book of Mormon. I know you've prayed about it. I know you guys think that you know

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Joseph Smith is a prophet. I know that you guys think that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints is true.

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I know without a doubt that you guys know these things. You see again,

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I'm saying something different than you. You're saying something different than me. And the

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Joseph Smith story contradicts that of Jesus. So my question for you is who are you going to trust?

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Joseph Smith or the biblical Jesus? Because I'm telling you guys you can't trust both. Yes. My friend, what's your name again?

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Brayden. Brayden, I really appreciate your words. I hope you know that. I appreciate hearing that. But there's just one thing that I would just like to say.

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Yeah, absolutely. I've done a lot of talking. I think you're a great guy. I think you really do care about me another while.

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I do. I do. I know that you've researched. You've had questions. You have it all. No. You're trying, and I can tell that you're sincere.

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And the way that you move your mouth and the way that you talk is phenomenal. Well, thank you. I think you're great at talking.

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I think it's good. But the one thing that I know that me another while have is the gift of the Holy Ghost. Yep. Right. And right now, it's just giving me the feeling.

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I got you. And as much as I would love to trust in what you say. Totally, totally. But you're saying that you're having a feeling of the spirit of contention.

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Is that kind of what you're saying? No, no, no. Oh, okay. That's what I was saying. Not even contention. No, I definitely think that you're being honest and you're trying to be honest.

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I don't think there's anything. Okay. Good. I was like, I just want to come off as conscious at all. Heavens no. Heavens no.

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But there's just the thing that I feel like is gone and that the only reason why your words have no effect to me is because of the gift of the

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Holy Ghost. It does not reside with me. I got you. And I know that you can call upon it. I know that you try in that.

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Yeah. I would love to believe in your words. I know. But I just know for myself, and I know that otherwise for himself, that the things that you say are truth.

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100 % are truth in what you say. So will you guys accept a challenge at least for me? Absolutely.

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There's no need to accept a challenge. Absolutely. Wherever you want me to read from the Book of Mormon, I'm going to read it. I love it.

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I love reading. I'll read it tonight right after we get done with this. But my challenge for you guys today is without working on feelings, without depending on feelings, because truth is independent of feelings.

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I hope feelings come with knowing who Jesus Christ is. I love Jesus. That's a feeling. I love Him. I love the Holy Spirit. I love

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God in flesh. I love God. That comes with feelings. So I'm not saying don't have feelings.

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What I'm saying is truth is independent of feelings. This is 2 plus 2 is 4 no matter what. True. 100%.

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I'm encouraging you guys to do this. Go and read 1 Corinthians chapter 51 through 4 and ask yourself if that is the gospel that's found in the

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Book of Mormon. Will you do that for me? Will you do that for me? My friend,

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I would love to. What challenge do you have for me? Because I want to take something from you guys too. To try and recognize the

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Holy Ghost in your life. Recognize the miracles. Recognize the little things that happen. The stories of people.

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And to truly try and see if when you read the Bible you feel something.

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That you feel that there's more than just words. And I know that you have those feelings.

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100%. I can see it. I can see it in your face. I can tell. I can tell. I really can. I can tell that you really try.

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But I just know. And it's nothing that anyone else could persuade me.

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And I'm very sorry. And I hope in the next life that I see you there. I really do.

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This is my worry though. Is that you guys go away from here. This is why I want to grab you guys and keep you inside my house while I'm talking to you.

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Because this is my worry. Is that you guys walk from here. And you guys get hit by a car. And you have a heart attack.

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And you guys die thinking that you guys come before the same

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Christ that I'm talking about now. My Lord and my God, just as you say,

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Lord, I'm going to profess him.

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I'm going to see him and have evidence. And why?

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It's casting out demons. It's prophesying. It's in the name of Jesus Christ. It's those works of iniquity.

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According to Jesus Christ, if you're using those as means of salvation, they absolutely work. And so, guys,

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I appreciate your time. Like I said, I want to hold on to you. Keep on telling you about this Jesus Christ. Because what we're talking about is two different things here.

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And I think we're 100 percent agreeing on that, right? We're talking about two different things.

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Very great truths and very great similarities. I agree with you on that. The terms are the same. The definitions are different though, right?

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100 percent. 100 percent. So I appreciate the time. But, my friend, I really can testify to you that this is the true church of Jesus Christ.

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And I know that what we say might not affect you. And it won't. I'm assuming that it's not going to affect you guys right now.

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I'm hoping that, guys. So, for the 19 years I was LDS, man, you want to talk about a

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TVM, a true -blooded blue Mormon, right? I was it. I was it, okay? I was

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TVM as you can get. Okay? I'm 26 now. I'm a pastor. I've been

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Christian and born again and saved for seven years by God's grace. I would have never thought that the day before I was saved.

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I would have never thought that. I had a burning in the bosom testimony. And it wasn't until I was challenged to read the

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Bible that I realized what I was believing in. Because Jesus Christ, first of all.

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So, not only do I love you guys enough to tell you the truth. I love Jesus enough to want you guys to worship Him as God.

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I want you guys to worship Him as God. I want you guys to see Jesus on His throne. I love Jesus enough to say what we are doing right now is blasphemous towards Him by changing the definitions of who

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He is. In Matthew 24, verse 24, it says, Many false prides will go before you.

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There's false Jesuses out there. Galatians 1 .8 and 9, it says there's false Gospels. Muslims aren't believing in the same

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Jesus that you and I are. Jehovah Witnesses aren't believing in the same Jesus that you and I are. You guys aren't believing in the

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Jesus of the Bible. That's my accusation against you. And I understand. How are you guys?

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How are you doing? How are you doing? Hey, another...

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I've got so many missionaries at my door. How are you doing, man? Good. Good to see you again.

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So, what is your challenge? You haven't given me a challenge yet. You've got to tell me some word to read. To be fair, I know that whatever you read, you've probably read it.

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No doubt. No, I know that. That's true. I know that. No, 100%. I could open this up with probably more too.

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Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure it is. But, my friend, we won't take too much of your time.

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We hope you get back to your family. That's very important. But, I just want you to know that we do care for you. Thank you very much.

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So, let me be clear with this. You guys are always welcome into my house. Thank you very much. If you guys need a glass of water, you come in here.

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You got to. If you guys need Chick -fil -A money, you come to my door, okay? I'm telling you right now.

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I want to help you guys. I want to support you guys. I want you guys to hang out with me.

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So, do not view this door as a door of hate. I was going to say, that's our world. That's good. That's good.

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But, guys, man, I preach Christ crucified, and I hope that that's what you've seen tonight, is the

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Christ in the Bible. I'm really hoping that. What's the gospel message again, according to me? The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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So, you guys can have no excuse now for not knowing what the Christian gospel is, right? What is it again?

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Death, sacrifice, and crucifixion. So, death, burial, and resurrection. Just real quick. Death, burial, and resurrection, and most importantly, of Jesus Christ, according to Scriptures.

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And so, I can't just say Jesus Christ. I can't just say that you make up some weird definition.

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I can't just say that Jesus Christ is a physical, actual lamb. Like, he isn't a human being.

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He's a lamb. Because that's not that Jesus Christ, according to Scriptures, right? He was the lamb of God. But that has implications, right?

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But it's according to Scriptures. So, the Jesus Christ that I have faith in, my object of faith is only as good as the object.

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Or, my faith is only as good as the object I put it into, right? So, if I put faith in this jacket to keep me cold all night, is that probably going to work?

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Probably not. Probably not, right? If I put faith in a van that's out of gas, is that going to get me to Hagerman on Sunday?

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No. Faith is only as good as the object that we put it into. It doesn't matter if I'm using the same terms. It doesn't matter if I'm using all the right words.

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Faith is only as good as the object that we put it into. Only as good as the object. Well, it was really good.

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It was really good. Hey, thank you guys. Randon. Wild. Right? Wild? What's your last name? Rosevear.

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Rosevear. Okay, I like it. Hey, thank you guys again. Yeah, you have a good night. Yes. You have a wonderful night. Yes. Hey, thank you guys. I want to make sure that you guys all have one to be able to talk to.

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Hey, have a safe night, guys. You too. Sleep well. Yeah, you as well. Now, these are a couple missionaries

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I got to speak with a couple days prior at Chick -fil -A. And it was an absolute blessing to have them come to my doorstep out of divine providence,

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I would say, so that the gospel could be presented to them. If you are a

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Christian, I would encourage you to be praying for these two individuals that they might be convicted of their own sin,

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God's law, and look to Jesus Christ as their only means of salvation, His death, burial, and resurrection, according to scriptures.

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And if you're LDS, I would encourage you to repent and believe in that said gospel. As the one missionary stated, we are believing in two different gods, two different Jesuses, and two different gospels.

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And so the question for you is this. What is the gospel? It's found in 1

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Corinthians chapter 15, verses 1 through 4. Abandon your good works and look to the work of Jesus Christ alone for your salvation.