August 7, 2018 Show with Chris Strevel on “The Lord of Glory: The Transforming Presence of Jesus Christ”

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Afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live-streaming at iron sharpens Iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnz and your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this seventh day of August 2018.

I'm so delighted after knowing About this individual for many years going at least back to the 1990s that I am finally having on the program for the very first time Chris Strevel, he is an author and he's the pastor of Covenant Presbyterian Church of Buford, Georgia Which is a congregation within the Orthodox Presbyterian Church denomination.

He's also a blogger at from the pastor's desk. And today we are going to be discussing his book the Lord of Glory the transforming presence of Jesus Christ and it's my honor and Privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to on interpreters iron radio Chris Strevel.

Thank you.

Now I just I should have done this before the we went on the air, but is it strevel or streevel? It's actually streevel. That's fine. Okay. I had a feeling I messed it up especially when I was. I actually pronounced the word privilege like Barbara Walters.

So I knew that I messed up before I even got to your name. I was a little little tongue-tied there. Well Before we even go into the book today let our listeners know something about Covenant Presbyterian Church of Buford, Georgia.

Well, we started as a very small Bible study for each other and here growing up within the church in this very Suburban area the Lord truly blessed and Thankful for his grace in our lives.

Praise God. Well as I normally do when I have a first-time guest I have them give an account a summary of their account of How they were saved. Obviously were all saved in the same way by the blood of Jesus Christ and by his grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, but.

But as far as your own personal experience What were the providential circumstances that rose up in your life that drew you to himself? Let us know something about your religious upbringing if any and how this all came to be.

Yes, I was brought up in a very Christian home, but my parents are believers. My Lord now in glory. But he was training us scriptures and family worship and we Went over Atlanta looking for the eighth.

Maybe nine. I came under a very strong conviction of sin and my need of Savior that I was going to stand before God one day.

That grew.

That conviction grew through my teenage years. Probably they came under a conviction I need to and meditate upon scripture and take my faith my Savior. Seriously, my words evicting messages and a little primitive Baptist Church.

We were in and then in the Presbyterian Church that we were in as an older teenager. The Lord really used the word to Draw me to Christ.

Praise God and in fact as Much as I have some differences With my primitive Baptist friends on some areas of Calvinism where I think they go a little high if you understand what I'm saying. But I happen to say that I absolutely love acapella primitive Baptist him singing.

Yeah, they should do and then the harp singing are you familiar with the harp. Yeah, I love that stuff. It's really beautiful. Well, uh, we are going to be discussing as I said moments ago Your book the Lord of Glory the transforming presence of Christ Jesus before we get into that.

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And I want to read for our audience an endorsement or a commendation and a commendation by A very good friend of mine that I've known for many years Pastor John Otis. I've had him on this program a number of times Pastor John as an author himself and In fact, I don't even know if you know this Chris but years ago on the old iron sharpens iron radio program That was broadcasting out of New York.

I interviewed John Otis on Freemasonry the cult if you will of Freemasonry because he wrote from what I understand is the most exhaustive exhaustive critique of Freemasonry written by a Christian a Bible-believing evangelical Christian in all of literary history.

But After doing that interview. He got contacted by a listener in Dublin, Ireland Who actually? eventually arranged a debate with John in London England with a high-ranking Mason who also happened to be a Sweden Borg enist and And and that debate was held.

I guess it was back sometime in the late 90s, I think but About yeah, actually, I'm sorry, not in the late 90s the more like the 2009 or 10 or something. But anyway, John has been a dear friend. In fact, John I Was so delighted that just to fill you in about a little something personal to me I actually a number of years ago That went to an alcohol Rehabilitation ministry in Boone, North Carolina because I had fallen off the deep end with that the sin of abuse of alcohol and I went to this ministry Hebron Colony ministries in Boone, North Carolina and John and his wife Christine Were kind and gracious gracious enough to make the long drive to Boone to be there in the audience when I graduated from that ministry.

So but anyway John says in regard to the the Lord of Glory the transforming presence of Jesus Christ the book by Chris Strievel that we are discussing today. He says I want to highly recommend Pastor Chris Strievel's book the Lord of Glory the transforming presence of Jesus Christ over the years I have read quite a few theology books, but pastor Strievel's books is one book is one of the best I have ever read.

Unfortunately today there are many Christians who want to make a distinction between doctrine and practical living as if there is such a Distinction the scripture on the other hand teaches us that sound doctrine leads to godliness.

The central focus of the Christian life is our personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. The Apostle Paul expressed this importance when he said in Philippians chapter 3 verse 10 that I may know him and The power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings being made conformable unto his death.

Pastor Strievel has done a marvelous job of showing how practical it is for us to fully understand the work of our precious Savior. Understanding these magnificent doctrines of Christ's work is truly spiritually transforming.

Read and reread this book and you will be blessed and once again, that was pastor John Otis oh, and he also adds here a pastor Strievel is one of the best preachers you will ever hear and he is equally one of the best Christian writers and We thank you pastor John Otis for providing us with that wonderful commendation for the Lord of Glory.

Well.

Obviously. There are books on the presence of Christ and the transforming of power the transforming power of Christ that have been written by authors both living and long in glory with Christ in eternity.

Why the need for this specific volume that you wanted to add to the other volumes already in existence?

Well, that's a good that's a good question. I don't. There's nothing It really grew out of. Personal conviction that We relate to Christ in terms of his word. He teaches us throughout that we must hear his voice and so that when we read the Gospels.

And a lot of this book is taken from things of our ways that he worked that these are not just in 2 ,000 years ago there recorded for us pretty much a collection of essay some new some old on aspects of his person work and that he is the living Resurrected Savior and we know him.

An author that really helped me as an old Hugh Miller biography of Simon Peter or Hugh Martin wrote a biography of Simon Peter and and It also book called the abiding presence, which probably where I plagiarized the title from but or the subtitle, but just.

That we know Christ in his word that he is this is the way that he relates to us. This is what we can expect of him as we walk and walk in pages. My conviction that we need to take the word. Seriously, and we don't need anything in addition to the word in terms of knowing Christ need to take.

I believe walk with him daily. Walk with him in that word and expect him to be who he is.

As he has for building and you have broken up this book into six parts and The parts include glory incarnate They crucified the Lord of Glory Exalted extolled and very high the Lord of Glory in his kingdom Christ in us in union with the Lord of Glory transforming glory walking with glory.

And If you could other than the very first Portion or segment of this book Every other heading includes the word glory. Oh, actually, I'm sorry and it's in every segment because glory is the first word in the first segment glory incarnate.

Tell us what you mean by glory. Because that is a word that is used in different ways our Pentecostal and charismatic friends seem to use it quite often. They may mean something different by it on occasion, but what exactly do you mean by this word glory?

Just I don't have any yet. There's no specialized definition of glory here. Probably John 114. They beheld his his majesty his his awesome nature his divine glory.

Amen. Well, let's start with the first section. Glory incarnate. In fact, I just had on the program very recently twice. Actually, dr Stephen J. Wellum. I don't know if you're familiar with dr. Wellum of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

We were discussing his new book on.

The.

God the Son incarnate but your first section is Glory incarnate and if you could tell us about in a summary form the different aspects that you deal with under that heading.

Of course to understand Christ. You have to begin with his incarnate is Broadly the broad theme arts eternal son after one some of his I am Statements that would touch on this some of his power as the Son of God and really the idea that our Redeemer as the confessions and Creeds of the church and catechisms that our Redeemer had to be fully God and the transforming power of Christ in our lives.

We have to find glory.

Amen. We have a listener in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. We have Susan Margaret who asks. I know that we who are reformed are very leery of our Evangelical brethren who are constantly referring to their feelings and of course there are completely deceptive Moments when people are trusting in their feelings.

Such as the Mormons who are convinced that they have the truth because of the burning in their bosom and other Silly and superstitious ways that people put an overemphasis on feelings, but having said that Do you believe that there are Certain feelings that we as Christians are to expect when we are actually Experiencing the transforming presence of Jesus Christ.

I say this because I have met many Christians who appear to be dead in their orthodoxy and have no life in them. Wow, that's quite a question.

Again a passage like and I think one of the essays is is just on these three verses John 15 9 through 11 where our Lord said I have continued obeying my father and have remained or abided in his love.

And then he turns and says to the disciples in the upper room if you continue in my love. If you continue my obedience and you'll remain in my love and then he says I think in verse 11 I've said these things to you that my joy may be fulfilled.

Obviously, you know feelings our feelings are fallen. Our feelings are no more reliable a guide than any other aspect of our humanity. Our feelings need to be redeemed just because we have a feeling doesn't mean it's a legitimate guide for our life at the same time we're on a living person and Therefore in communion and fellowship with him not just in John 15, but in other places he talks about my peace I believe with you these are.

These certainly have an emotive emotional aspect to them. So that as we Live in fellowship with Christ as we walk in obedience to him even in very dark places He can extend to us in ways that probably we would not otherwise learn but in that dark valley.

Even a statement in Hebrews 12 of for the joy that was set before him. He endured the cross so our Lord didn't and then don't want to be around chicken little theologians I mean he said that about himself a I came eating and drink, you know but rose and negative and certainly he had times and seasons of tremendous heaviness as he Bore our grief and sorrows and in our salvation, of course Gethsemane and the horrors that faced him as he looked at the cross, but it was still in him and Indomitable just looking but you went and the sword of justice.

It's about to follow me. Yet, I think that probably probably why it's quite too much dead orthodoxy among the Orthodox significance and to walk in obedience to him and nothing about Technology or for microscopes or satellites.

God doesn't he hadn't changed anything like that at all or or the way that we find and that is to devote ourselves that's not in any sense meritorious or Jesus is the only merit or and and he you know purchased our redemption He gives us his spirit right God's law in our heart.

So there's we make some progress and like he and father not not my will but your will be done. Then we know some of our Savior's choice some of his feet and and the other Aspects there. So that's kind of a long answer, but it's a real.

It's a real important point. I think that's one reasons why obedience and duty have fallen on such hard times. You know in our day and age and the broad evangelical church is looking for Stimulants that are quite artificial.

And over time will prove to be quite ineffectual against the devil Gospel and Jeremiah spoke of the old path. Those are the paths of joy. Because God knows what's best for us and he knows what's best for us is to obey him with her.

Yes, and even the so-called frozen chosen Presbyterians who drafted the shorter Westminster catechism Westminster shorter cataclysm catechism I should say very first question What is the chief end of man.

And the answer man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him forever. That's right. That's right. And it seems that a lot of people who would Confess or profess that the Westminster confession and Catechism are their own seem to live like they never read that first question in the shorter catechism.

Well, yeah, I guess and of course we can't distinct moments of anger even mark chapter 3 verse 5 Heaviness, we're not as heavy that there has to be the next bad thing happening. And of course in our culture, you know, people make a lot of money selling fear.

Selling it's the end of the world, you know as we know it. And yet somehow as Christians, you know. We're our foreheads are marked because we like Ezekiel said we we weep over the sins of our land. But at the same time like our Lord said in John 16, I believe 33 in the world.

You're gonna have trouble. But be a good cheer because I've overcome the world. So as Christians are both both both realms. Yes, we're strangers and pilgrim at the world we're three over the hardness of Nate and he said a God's made me happy.

I didn't write that first letter to you to make you sad. But if you saw it under repentance, that's a good thing. So we we got to keep these things in mind it. Yes, there's heavy heartedness. Yes, there's trial.

Christians are not fools who walk through life. You know not feeling anything not going through difficulties not weeping. We did we do all those things our Lord did at the same time because and we take our cares and our griefs to him.

There's also that you know, Psalm 28 7 my heart trusted in you and I'm helped. Even by the trust even by the casting my cares upon you. You see that throughout the psalms David begins with a. Yeah, I can't stand this what's happening?

I feel bad. You can't he's praising God and and I think. In some cases or in other cases, but at the end of it he's hoping God worry, but at the same time it's in.

Yes, and I in no way intended by my comment to insinuate that as some of our charismatic and Pentecostal friends do or even just Evangelicals that are emotion-driven I'm not trying to assume that if you walk into a church and people are Reverent and orderly in their worship and sometimes even.

Solemn.

That they don't have the the indwelling of the Holy Spirit or that the spirit is not present in that worship service. And that is a slander by many people who walk into worship services that are more traditional and where people in their efforts to take what is occurring very Seriously and to view it with awe and reverence they are not to be viewed as Automatically being those that are dead and lifeless when it comes to the spirit.

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We have Christopher in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York. Christopher says when you refer to the Transforming presence of Jesus Christ in the title of your book What do you mean by? Transformation, I think that you may agree with me by ver that very often in Modern evangelicalism and even elsewhere in Christendom.

You have people who believe they are Christians and they are have not been transformed at all. In the way that they think or act or live. Before they made this profession, isn't there something more to Christianity that involves this transforming presence?

Well, 21 you shall call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins. I suppose that one verse would Very well summarize what I mean, at least I do not mean by it is your circle right now if it's commonly Turned into a fairy tale or something along those lines.

What I mean is That the Son of God incarnate our Lord Jesus Christ the mediator of the Covenant. He took upon himself our sins on the cross. He's removed our condemnation. He rose bodily from the dead.

He's ascended to the right hand of the Father. He's poured out his Holy Spirit. Through that Holy Spirit transforms us giving us the Roman six walk in newness of life. To put away our sins to fight against our sins, especially those sins that so easily beset us and so that there is a Verity, it's not perfected in this life.

But it's untrue, you know taking delight in those things that God delight. So yeah a Christ that doesn't transceives me in my lust of various kinds is no Christ. Praise God.

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The second section of your book. Involves one of the most pivotal events in earthly history they crucified the Lord of Glory and The mystery wonder and awe is one of the things under that sub. Under that subheading if you could.

And he bore our curse. The wonder of the crawl is that. That's what script the church. That's why the Apostles were transformed. They didn't open their under that the Christ. Even the cross saves us. No, I don't know if you go into the uniqueness of the reformed.

Understanding of this monumental event, but I think that Nothing in Christendom comes close to the reformed understanding of the atonement which would include particular Redemption which would include definite atonement and of course as it's commonly called limited atonement.

Not because it's limited at all in its power. It's the opposite that it is unlimited in its power but limited in its intention and Limited in its scope of for whom it will be applied. Am I right on that?

Absolutely, and don't you think that one of the reasons why our reformed understanding is It's such a more amazing and wonderful and glorious Understanding or the event itself is more amazing and glorious in its truth the way that it is historically being understood by reformed Christians is That it is not a theoretical work.

It's not a hypothetical work.

Christ.

Came and completed the work that he intended. From eternity past you might as well hang a banner on the cross. Mission accomplished. He said it himself in his own words. It is finished and therefore everyone for whom he died those that he Intended to redeem will certainly be redeemed and their sins will certainly be atoned for.

Because of that death that there is no theory. He did not just die to make men savable. Did he?

Know he died to save his own in time and in eternity by his death on the cross. Amen. And yeah, so that so the essays in that section and really throughout Are predicated upon that understand what happened at the cross?

It's not to be saved. It's not. You know peace with God so that did. I could go in and earn the rest of it. It's not opening the door so that my efforts at self-atonement will be effectual before God.

You know the glory of the cross and really why the church historically links with more specificity. The reason she's come to this conclusion Is because of who he is it's impossible which salvation by his death on the cross Isaiah prophesied it the Passover of the Old Testament pointed him out.

This is the Lamb of God who takes away Historical Christianity. Admittedly, I'll find out a little bit dress it up a little bit, but that's not because that truth is lost any of its power. It's because it's lost its hold upon us and perhaps our faith has grown weak and we're some maybe we're you know part of that virgin group.

Kendall is a Biblical understanding of the power of praise God.

We have. Let's see here. John and Bangor Maine. Who says is your book seeking to correct misunderstandings of many in the church at large in regard to The presence of Jesus Christ, what are prominent?

Failures in the understanding of modern evangelicals, can you cite?

That's a good question. The book is not I can tell it's not essentially negative. Meaning it's not Prompted by ten errors that I wanted to speak against correct some of that. So I think that the heart to me the heart of the you talk about the presence of Christ.

You know for a lot of people the presence of Christ. I had a dream I mean dreams are making a huge comeback is being somehow normative for you know our faith and personal experience or You know, I relate to Christ by a mystical encounter with him local, you know, very prominent preacher here in Atlanta.

You know, it's come out. Don't base your faith in Jesus on the Bible because if the Bible comes under attack You know, you'll lose your faith in Jesus. And so what he's really promoting is that each individual Christian has an existential encounter with Christ independently, it's kind of a strange thing is especially since for example with for Jesus goes into the synagogue and His own hometown takes the scroll of Isaiah in his hand.

Those where the passage in Isaiah is finds it reads it puts his finger on it and says this is here In your midst now, and of course John 15 and if this is if I could encapsulate Christ indwells us by You know in his New Testament teaches as we abide in his word himself in his word apply it.

Where it's appropriate follow him obey him for shun to fit its transforming power. Is hey, let's bomb 119. So that's that's not how we know the president.

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Look at that. It's like and yet. We take his own exhortation. We got to pick up. We have we have an anonymous listener.

Who says I'm a member of a church that I love but one thing that Depresses me on occasion is when we are gathered in prayer. It seems that this Reformed Church looks down upon an Over emphasis of praying for healing now I understand that you can be overly focused on that.

But at the same time, I think that we should be praying with expectation of God. Answering our prayer when you said earlier that transformation does not involve our lives getting better while this not may be Necessarily always true on this world.

Isn't it often true? It doesn't. The Lord often blesses children with answers to prayers in the way that they desire and doesn't eat often restore marriages and give people better sources of employment and Improve their health and do many other things while we are on this earth.

I am NOT echoing John old Steen's heresy of Your best life now, but at the same time I don't believe that our lives after becoming Christian will necessarily remain just as miserable as they were before we were saved.

No, I agree what I meant by the earlier comment not to enter into debate but with with simply that Yeah was distinguishing the idea of transformation from if I do this. Did my circumstances are always? inevitably going to change sometimes.