May 13, 2020 Show with Daniel P. Buttafuoco, Esq. on “How We Got God’s Word in the English Language”

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this is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio Wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 13th day of May 2020 momentarily

God willing we're going to be joined by One of my best friends on the planet a man who's been a very important Person in my life not only as a

Christian But in the radio industry and specifically an iron sharpens iron radio.

His name is Daniel P. Buttafuoco Attorney at law. He is the founder of the law firm of Buttafuoco and associates

PLLC And he's also the founder of the historical Bible Society, which is our main theme today

Not only the historical Bible Society, but also how we got God's Word in English Dan.

Are you there? Yeah, you too brother Staying safe.

Well, yes, I am trying to stay safe and and by the way, I've got to introduce you to a

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Dan since the early 1990s He has been a client of mine going back to when

I was an advertising age, I mean an advertising executive at WMCA radio 570 on the a .m

Dial and he continues to be a sponsor of the Iron Trump and Zion radio program And not only that he's a dear friend and brother in Christ and I'm thrilled to have you back on the program

Dan That's the most important thing we're brothers in the Lord and I can still fondly remember recording commercials in the

Calvary Baptist Church building from the pulpit mic Where you would get up there and record your commercials and even your daughter came in Danielle and and knocked off a couple of Kristen Kristen Kristen, that's right

Kristen and she without even making a mistake was able to record two ads

Flawlessly And should be interesting, right? Yeah, but tell our listeners first of all before we go into our theme tell our listeners about But if you go and associates

PLLC Well, first of all, we are Personal injury medical malpractice trial lawyers.

I know that sounds like the devil to some of your listeners We actually represent a lot of Christians in fact what we're doing now is we're representing businesses all across America In the business interruption insurance claims because the actual the devil is actually the insurance company

They don't have to figure that out yet. The insurance companies are denying these claims based on the pandemic exclusion

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We support the kingdom and You know, it's just an unusual way and maybe not something that you listen as they used to you know

I also preach Chris knows I I preach and have a master's degree in theology Well, praise

God. I'm so glad that you're making headway with the insurance companies trying to basically rob people of money that's owed them so I'm thrilled to hear that and you'll be hearing commercials for but if you go and associates

So you can contact them and make sure you got to make sure you tell them that you heard about His law firm from Chris Arnson on iron sharpens iron radio

And you have been an attorney how long I? Can't believe it's almost 40 years

Wow, you know Kristen is which is a little girl would you that commercial and now she's a mother of triplets and I'm a grandfather six times

But we continue to plow forward because you know, I wrote a book about the New Testament Yes, and I've made that available to some of your listeners and which is funny because everyone's quarantined

I'm getting all kinds of strange calls and texts of Quarantine and a national health emergency to get you to read it

But I actually got one Israeli guy that he read my book five times and accepted the Lord Oh, wow happy about praise

God. Yeah, I'm good stuff is going on You know God always works through all this nonsense and even though you know, we're we're hurting and that's part of a part of life

You know in this world, you're gonna have trouble but be of good cheer for I've overcome the world for the Lord So we're we love

Jesus and we're happy to serve him and we like to serve him when things are great But we are very happy to have him when things are rough.

And so that's where we're at Praise God. Well now tell us about the historical

Bible Society Well, the historical Bible Society started and Chris you were part of the infancy of it

Actually was when I collected my first rare Bible, you know

Just something that I did on a whim. I was actually on a malpractice seminar I was in the in the

Waldorf Astoria They have a rare book shop there and I happened to notice that they had some very ancient and old

Bible So I bought one paid too much for it got home became fascinated with it And decided

I want to have an original King James a 1611 King James, you know Who wouldn't want to have a 1611?

You know, we located one we bought it and I just was enamored with it

I mean the thing is gorgeous and it's full of history I became really interested in the history of the

English Bible and I started to do research and I started to go to different states into different countries and learn about this and But it's a formulated collection and you know

Basically, I would people go of my house and I'd pull out this book and I'd show it to them I'd bring it to court.

They'd show people I'd bring show it to the judge I remember showing a judge in federal court. Look at this cool book I remember bringing it to, you know, different places and mostly in my home

Well, I saw the reaction of people, you know, who sort of you know, I don't know I guess

I'm trying to generate interest in the Bible, but I didn't think it would have this kind of impact People were sort of blown away.

I was like, wow, this is amazing Invariably a discussion would ensue about the Bible and about Christ, which of course is where you want to have a discussion, right?

and so I noticed that it was a good tool and I got started to speak to my heart and I started to collect more

Bibles and then we became Purposeful in our collecting and we started to fill in blanks in the collection and we got a

Tyndale and we got a Coverdale And we got a page from the Gutenberg and we got a Texas Receptus So we got a you know,

Erasmus first edition 1515 New Testament and we got ancient manuscripts So we got copies

I had copies of the Dead Sea Scrolls that are so authentic looking They the Israeli government forbid the guy to make anymore.

I Artists made them friend of mine. Yeah, you haven't seen those they're amazing and they're so good that there's only two copies in the world

I have one copy and the Pope has the other copy I Believe who is a very famous Israeli artist and he made them and so we use them

Of course, we tell people that they're fakes, but you can't take Dead Sea Scrolls out of Israel So we have these facsimiles that's the correct term and we bring them around we go to churches

We go to schools and we talk to sixth graders And we talk to twelfth graders and we talk to all the people younger people book at the

Billy Graham Library We did a presentation at the Billy Graham Library. We did a presentation that the

DL Moody Seminary Moody Seminary and we bring the books and it generates a lot of interest and I even taught a class that Alliance Theological Seminary one or two classes regarding the history of the

Bible the professors just turned the class over to me and I covered that aspect as part of what I do, which is apologetics

So it was great and so all this has generated a lot of interest and we have a website which we don't maintain very well

So, you know a little caveat there a little disclaimer, but we go to churches In fact, I had about four or five engagements canceled because of the

COVID mess But yeah, we're promoting the Word of God and we're trying to generate interest in the history of the

Bible Predominantly I've got into English because I think that's a fascinating story

Yes, it is. And I've seen your presentation I think close to if not exceeding ten times and was always riveted to it was always fascinated by it and Even though obviously facts don't change you change it up a bit every time

I see you do it. So it's a refreshing New experience every time

I've witnessed it. So I'm looking forward. Thank you. I mean, you know, that's what a trial lawyer does You know, we used to talking to juries and we try to make a presentation that you know

Sort of fits the audience. And so if I see somebody twitching or yawning, you know, I Adapt I want them to hear me and my goal is to get people saved to get people

They'll listen to the Bible as the Word of God to make the case for why we believe the Bible is the Word of God Not there's a very good case for that.

There's good evidence behind it good proof But that's the basis of my book consider the evidence a trial lawyer examines eyewitness testimony for the reliability of the

New Testament So we're trying to make the case because you know, even Christians are straight away from the

Bible I don't don't have to tell you you go to some of these churches Yeah, you don't even know if you're in church. You think you're in a movie theater or on a

Broadway show, right? Jesus hardly comes up if at all I watched one guy preach for 40 minutes.

He never talked about anything Wow I'm sitting there like what this is. This is ridiculous. This is an abomination.

This is terrible you know Christ should be the centerpiece of whatever we do and You know the

Bible certainly Christ is the centerpiece the Old Testament talks about him even Jesus in Genesis everywhere, you know the

Bible is a portrait of Jesus Christ from beginning to end and so we try to make that case and We try to use that and read that into an apologetic sort of format and do what lawyers do which is to persuade

You know, the Apostle Paul was a great lawyer You know, he actually was a lawyer and he used those skills to persuade people to the truth of the gospel

You know people didn't like him beat him up stoned him and try to kill him People that you know, listen became

Christians and the church was you know born So we're all about that and if I can do that,

I'm happy praise God Well, I'm going to give our listeners our email address If you'd like to join us on the air with a question for Dan But if you go about how we got

God's Word in the English language The email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com

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All those things are valid reasons, but if it's a general question on history in regard to the scriptures

Please at least give us your first name city and state and country of residence well first of all tell us about how these manuscripts that no longer exists the actual

Autographs the ones that came right from the pen of an amanuensis of one of the authors of scripture

How these these manuscripts that were originally in? Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek how did they eventually wind up into a combined?

Book that we now call the Bible Wow that could be the

Question of the Something that would take you know

Something the size of the entire cyclopedia Britannica to answer, but you know just a short summary

Is that what we're dealing with predominantly is? Eyewitness testimony, which is what

I like as a trial lawyer You know the the Apostles if you read the book of Acts if you read, you know, the the writings of Paul You know, they were eyewitnesses the fact the word

Apostle means Eyewitness, you know witness and so and of course implied that it's eyewitness, you know

They're just not you know witnessing like the way you and I witness, you know, well, we like to say well We eyewitness to somebody, you know, yeah,

I witnessed to somebody about what Jesus did for me I witnessed to somebody about my own conversion.

I witnessed to somebody about the power of the Holy Spirit my life I witnessed to somebody about the efficacy of the

Bible I can do that. I can't witness to the resurrection of Christ I didn't see it. You know,

I wasn't there. I didn't walk around with Jesus for three three and a half years, you know but the disciples of the

Apostles did and And they would not only was there were concentric rings around Christ, you know

There was the inner circle Peter James and John And then there was the extended circle of the twelve.

Of course Judas was a traitor, but then they appointed Matthias In the book of Acts we see that but he it says right there in the book of Acts, you know

Let us appoint someone who was with us from the beginning so clearly there was a bunch of Concentric rings around Christ We know there was the 70 that he sent out and it probably were more than that that sort of traipsed around with Jesus including women

We know that because they supported him Mary Magdalene and others Oh Naomi and Basically, you know these people were with Christ and they were witnesses of the of the miracles

Oh, they were witnesses of you know, his teachings which weren't said once by the way, you know people like well

How do you know they remember what Jesus? Said or taught you know, Jesus taught repeatedly the same stuff over and over and over again

Even the Gospel of John Does it suppose that you know, we were to record all the things that Jesus did we wouldn't have enough books to contain them

So the Gospels are representative samples of the stuff that Jesus did in certain occasions that stuck out

And that were reiterated over and over again over the three -year period that they were with him then of course ultimately

They're witnesses of the of the of the death the trials The the mockery of a trial the death the burial and the resurrection which is the most important event of all humanity so those things were recorded and if we look at Luke, you know

Luke was a investigative reporter Reporting to Theophilus who was some kind of a

Roman patron some kind of a high -ranking person most excellent Theophilus at the title and He went out and hired

Luke most likely to Go on because all of Jerusalem was in an uproar not only

Jerusalem, but the whole Western world It was this virus. It's a terrible use that word now, right?

but it spread like a virus, you know kept in a good way and it sort of just took over and If you read the book of Acts you get that sense, you know

That but this thing is just spiraling out of control the authorities can't control it and you can just see

Theophilus You know telling Luke our cake what what's going on? You know, what's the basis of this?

Is there anything behind this is it's just hysteria. A lot of people are believing in Jesus Tell me about it and Luke of course

Undertakes a thorough investigation and he's been verified to be a historian of the first rank according to scholars many people who have challenged his writings have come back as believers and You know trying to take the book of Acts and correlate it to other facts, you know in the ancient world and other writings and you know, it's very nicely there's what we call corroboration that kind of evidence and So these things then have become you know

Sort of solidified and Luke writes this report, you know He wrote the first one writes the book of Luke which is volume one the

Theophilus and then the second He mentions in my former treatise, you know meaning the book of Luke and now he's talking the book of Acts He's reporting to this patron and it was a serious

Roman Offense a serious and grievous offense to misrepresent any facts or to Lie to your patron that the patron system and ancient

Roman and Palestine was part of Rome Israel What was was was very serious?

It was a very important institution and to lie to a patron or to be disloyal to a patient or to fabricate a story would have

Been probably punishable by death What what was something very severe and so Luke had every motivation to get it accurate and he did

I mean Even the terms he used have been verified to be exceedingly accurate You know the chief man of the island of Malta or whatever, you know

They did actually criticize Luke using that term until they found the things that actually said that's what they call that guy the chief man of the island

So His phrases, you know, the tetrarch and this and all these things that he used

Highly accurate and highly specific so we can conclude Based on common sense and just based on types of tests

We'd normally use to verify these ancient documents that this is a very accurate writing but you know, we have

Luke you got Matthew and you got Peter which is really mark and You know, you got

John who was basically essentially Christ's best friend the one leaning on Jesus's breast at the last supper

So and he lived to a ripe old age and all these witnesses lived, you know

Even when Paul was writing talking about the resurrection. There were many who would see fit of still alive So this is what

I'm done in the corner as Paul says in his speech Before I think was fastest, you know, these things were not done in the corner.

Everybody knew about them And so it was easy to check out the witnesses and verify the stories and that's exactly what was done so these things were all put down and what we call the autographer and Then there's a gigantic other answer as to how it was recorded, which

I don't want to just ramble on too long But that itself is an amazing analysis and process

Well, there came a point in time where the Roman Catholic Church Demanded that the

Latin Vulgate be the only available edition of the

Holy Scriptures and anybody else with a Bible in their native tongue or any other language faced some very harsh consequences and that at times even led to infamous tortures and executions and so tell us about the time when

These persecutions were taking place tell us about some of the more notable heroes of the faith

Who were translating the Bible in English and paying the price for it? And then we can find out more information about how it became

Readily available in our language here in the English -speaking world All right.

So this is where we get into some good and your your reformed listeners will get excited We can get to some good

Roman Catholic bashing You know that You know being that I was never

Catholic I tend to be more charitable to the Catholic Church because You know, they didn't do anything to me the people that I know who are the least charitable to the

Catholic Church are the people who were Catholic and who were in Catholic Church and weren't saved and You know later on got saved and realized hey,

I was in church my whole life and never really heard the gospel and that's it Having said that there are some great

Catholic people. There are some great Catholic priests I know lots of Catholic theologians that love

Jesus that are thoroughly saved and that's shocking to some people But yes, but there were major problems with the

Catholic Church, especially from around 400 AD To about to about 1500

AD and even beyond but let's just concentrate on that period, you know Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts.

Absolutely. And so what you had is a situation Where you know for whatever reason they only wanted the

Bible in Latin Jerome translated the Vulgate at the request of Pope Damascene the first right around 384

AD and That's a good thing, you know I give the Pope credit for ordering that Jerome was a scholar a saved man

He actually said to know the Bible is to know Christ and to not know the Bible is to not know

Christ Jerome was thoroughly Catholic. That was Augustine really wasn't much else going on at the time

You know, the great schism didn't happen. I think until 1064 So here they are and you know, this is the only game in town.

You're Christian. You're part of this organized church But unfortunately the church became as I think everybody pretty much knows at this point if you took 11th grade social studies in the church

Pretty much became, you know more interested in temporal power than it did in being humble and doing the works of Christ I think that's a problem by the way that anyone could run into not just the church

And I think that's all equally true and a lot of these megachurches that we see so that's another story

But you know what happened was they only wanted the Bible in Latin now there's two reasons for that one

The dark reason could be well, we want to control access to it And we don't want anyone to read it and if it's in Latin then you know, we get to be the guardians of it and we interpret it and there's certainly that and Then there's the other reason which is you know,

Latin was the language of scholars in those days Information wasn't easily transmitted

So you have Scholars in Norway that speak Norwegian, but they also speak

Latin and scholars in Italy who speak Italian but they also speak Latin and scholars in Spain and France and England and so forth.

They all speak Latin. This is the language the lingua franca of the realm Just like just like English is the business language of the world

In fact, that's right. In fact in Norway, they conduct their business meetings in English Even if everyone in the room speaks

Norwegian Strange and that's correct That's what we're at which is actually really funny because it's ironic actually because the

Catholic Church considered English to be the most Vulgar and horrible of all tongues and that was the last line was they wanted the

Bible in right? So now it's funny to you sort of like you said it's the main one of the main languages of the world

But anyway, you know, so the Catholic Church is very against the Bible being in Latin But I mean anything about Latin but surprisingly there were some

German translations and there were some French Translations and some other translations that leaked out that they were frowned upon But right around the time of the

Reformation actually before that starting with Wycliffe I think Wycliffe was the one that really kicked them off I mean, they got them so mad the

Catholic Church that they if they died they dug them up and burned them at the stake I mean talk about overkill

Right, I mean, you know the guy's dead already. They dug him up. I think they burned You know,

I actually had the minutes of the Council of Constance where they where they actually Condemned them and it's in it's in Latin and talks about the errors of John Wycliffe and John who's of course who's?

was a Check man bohemian actually

Who was the follower of Wycliffe and He was Thomas safe passage and he was burned at the stake in 1415

They actually used Wycliffe's manuscript Bibles as kindling for the fire, you know, just to really make a point

So he was condemned at the Council of Constance who's us HUS and Sometimes you see him rendered as Jan J and who saw

John same thing, you know But when Wycliffe was condemned, but he was already dead

So at that same Council, they were both condemned and which was a promise safe passage. They lied to him.

They waylaid him they put him in jail and Then they unfortunately burned her at the stake. Of course the church didn't do any of these nasty things

They only made the secular authorities do it so they could say the blood was it on their hands? But but it was a terrible time, you know

Wycliffe Who he actually translated the Bible actually held one of his manuscripts in my hand in the 1380s that's very early on I consider

Wycliffe like a pre -reformer and his followers were called the wallets and He produced dozens of English Language manuscript copies of the scriptures that the problem with those is that they were translated from the

Latin Vulgate But in other words, they basically took the Catholic Latin Bible, which is actually not bad But you're all the better, you know, he did a yeoman's job on it

He was quite a scholar and they translated from the Latin into the English Very early type of English.

It's very tough to read, you know, very unusual, you know wording but you know that that was done in the late 1300s and But but they didn't make that many which is why the manuscripts today are so valuable and worth millions

Because you know the printing wasn't invented until 1455 and this is a tedious task

And he had a lot of help and you know, a lot of people were following him and and making these manuscripts But it took a long time to produce the

Bible like a whole year to produce one copy So, you know, they didn't really get out that far.

Really. It really didn't start going crazy Which really where we really got it out in the major public until printing was invented and of course, you know

Printing was started by Gutenberg in Germany mines, Germany 1455 was the first book they ever printed was the

Bible and you have a page from the original page I have an actual page from that press.

We're proud of that page. I tried it out of a guy's pension plan Believe it or not

He owned it as an asset in his pension plan. This is true. It was a book dealer And I said guys today you got to sell me this page

I needed I got done doing these displays and he finally agreed. Did it do you know we have that?

Do you even can you even calculate how many millions of dollars a complete Gutenberg would be? Yeah, we left one that was sold was sort of under the table sold not illegally

But just quietly and it was reputed to have sold for 55 million dollars

Wow, and that's a good 20 years ago It's priceless. I mean, it's it's considered the Holy Grail of book collecting

So it's not just Bible collectors that want the Gutenberg. It's anybody who collects books and Even people who don't collect books just rich people in general who want valuable things would would want that There's quite a few of them in New York I mean there's one in the public library which amazing because people walk right by it and don't even realize it's there and then there's this the

Morgan Library has three copies, which is incredible and Yeah, I have a copy in there and Harvard and a few other institutions and as you near Bible Society as a copy

There's a bunch of about 44 I think in the world that are complete that are out there And then there are fragments and I have a page so great

That's enough to make up point if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours With a little more than an hour to go is

Daniel P but if you go and we are talking today about how we got

God's Word in the English language and One of the reasons we're discussing this is that Dan in addition to being the founder and senior partner of the law firm of Buttafuoco and associates

PLLC is also the founder of the historical Bible Society And if you have a question on this issue how we got

God's Word in the English language Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com

and before we go to any listener questions Dan if you could pick up where you left off We were talking about the availability of God's Word in print due to the

Gutenberg press Yeah, Chris. Thank you. Well, what once the Bible what's the printing press got going and and and knowledge was

More readily disseminated, you know, we had an information explosion, you know, certainly not like the kind we're having with the

Internet, but It was definitely much easier to print large quantities or to produce rather large quantities of information

Whereas before it would take a whole year to make a Bible or a book So now that stuff could be sort of mass -produced.

It was only a matter of time before you know things started to spread and and and Printers would be looking for things to print

So they started to print all manner of books and of course the Bible was there now up until then however, the

Bible was only really allowed in Latin and Then what you see what you see happening really where the cat gets out of the bag was when?

Erasmus Erasmus von Rotterdam who was a very very learned and and sort of politically connected

Catholic scholar decided in 15 15 around there to produce a

New Testament a Greek New Testament And he was working with only a handful of manuscripts because the the

Really get his hands on when I say manuscripts original Greek manuscripts representing the New Testament This is the

New Testament. I'm talking about and so he asked the Pope if he could have access to the

The best available manuscript, which was the Codex Vaticanus Was a fourth early fourth century manuscript was complete.

It had been in the Vatican Library since 1492 this is early 1500 and Erasmus was like let me at it

I want to you know, use that and the Pope said no and So Erasmus had to make do what he had and by the way,

I did a fairly good job With seven or eight manuscripts. He did not actually have the full text of the what

I understand of the New Testament he actually had to use some of the Latin which had already been translated from the

Greek Into Latin so he had a reverse translated back to the Greek just to make sure he had a complete

New Testament surprisingly did a fairly good job and We have this book printed in 1516, which is the

Erasmus New Testament in Greek. I actually have a copy of that book actually have one.

I think I've shown it to you and you know, he was racing against the Simultaneous effort by Cardinal Jimenez at the

X I am e n e s in Spain who was producing what was known as a

Complutense Ian polyglot. I mean he's crazy names for these things and he didn't complete it because it was so enormous until 1522 though Erasmus beat him by about six years, which you know

Was was enough to make his the first edition in a while of the Greek New Testament Well, once that happened it was only a matter of time before other scholars would get the the bright idea like hey

Let's let's put this in English. Let's put it in French. Let's put it in Italian Let's put it in German because that's exactly what happened now right about the same exact time

Martin Luther Was having his problems with the Roman Catholic Church I'm sure

I don't have to tell your listeners what was going on in Germany in the early part of the 16th century and you know

Petzl was trying to raise money for the building of st Peter's Basilica and it would tell it shamelessly selling indulgences and even pointing weird phrases

You know the coin in the copper as the coin in the copper Springs I mean rings the soul from Purgatory Springs and you know making sort of a mockery out of the gospel and of salvation and soteriology and Just infuriated the people but it really infuriated

Luther who by this time, you know Finally got saved, you know, you don't hear that term anymore, you know, you have to say where I was a kid, brother

You say yeah, I'm saved, you know, you know when you say Well, Luther wasn't saved in the beginning even though he was about Catholic and the monk and he was so sure

He wasn't saved that he was tormented by it. You know the story. I mean right subject of books and movies and You know, he was terrified of God.

He did have he didn't have peace with God You know people talk about when Messiah comes when Messiah bring peace, you know, they try to talk about it yeah, well the peace that Messiah brings is the peace with God, which is the most important kind of peace and You know,

Luther didn't have that peace until finally, you know What he was asked to teach a New Testament course of the university stumbled upon He actually bothered to read the

New Testament and came across, you know I had a Rayma experience where the words jumped off the page and he realized it just shall live by faith

And he realized that we're saved not by works We're saved by faith and that the Bible is the final authority on this and that is how we obtain our salvation

Through faith by grace through faith That it works that a man should boast and that the church is not the dispenser of salvation

You know that the church had sort of set itself up as a pez dispenser of salvation, you know, they'd hand it out

You know in dribs and drabs in exchange for you know And money mostly and it was very corrupt, you know

It became a way to control people even after they died people would leave their fortunes to the Catholic Church for novenas and masses

To be said in perpetuity really silly. So anyway, you know Luther, you know posted his 95 theses and you know

He actually posted them in Latin the idea being we're gonna have a theological scholarly discussion about this but the time was ripe and people ripped it off the door of the

Wittenberg Castle Cathedral their church and and You know put it in German and circulated it and then, you know, basically a religious riot ensued

Which lasted for many years and ultimately about bloody wars and uprisings but became known as the

Reformation but one of the contributions of Luther one of his major contributions was to translate the

Bible into German in 1522 which he did while he was holed up at the castle if you remember if I was

Fred it was Frederick the wise sort of scooped him up before the church could get him and he became his protector and That sort of saved the day for the

Reformation because they were ready to stuff it out by Having this guy burned at the stake just like Wycliffe and Huss and every other person that ever challenged them

And so Luther was able to continue to pump out material and by the way Luther was

One of the original best -selling author of history, I don't know if you know that I mean I'm not counting that the

Gospels and that kind of stuff but in terms of his own Religious writings his pamphlets and his sermons

Wow at one point more than 50 % of all published material was Luther's Imagine that Wow Yeah, it's crazy, you know,

I was watching I was watching a show on the Reformation once with my dad and he was sitting with me

A couple years ago my dad's still alive. Thank God and we were looking at it They were showing how it was printed and they had all these pamphlets and my dad's like, oh, this is so cool

I said, yeah, I said, yeah, would you like to see some of them? He's like what and I went down and I got a bunch of Luther pamphlets with the sermons that I have from 1522 1523 1524 and he was amazed

I did they put these things and I also have some From you know, some of the

Swiss reformers Wingly and others I collected stuff, you know And it was really cool fact.

I got me into a Lutheran Church not too long ago My daughter was having her kids

Taught there in the preschool. This is my other daughter that Kristen and I was talking to the priest And you know, he's got the collar and the whole nine yards and very nice guys named

Neil and I said to him I said, oh, you know, you're Lutheran. This is great. I love what you're doing here I said, would you like to see some of Luther's original writings and his

George rocked and actually, you know they let me preach in the church three three sermons, which is really nice and And I brought the collection and really helped them out and they were very kind to me

So yeah, this becomes a bridge for me to to help pastors and help other

Congregations because we don't we're all the same, you know family of God, you know, we may have slightly different Beliefs on the non -essentials.

I don't really care so much about that. I think they're not important But I'd prefer not to dwell on that and now, you know, try to keep the unity of the body

Christ so anyway, so this was the traveling the Bible in 1522 and You know people started reading it and next thing, you know

We have was also an English Bible and that's important because the next thing you know You got William Tyndale and that's really where it really got to go

Completely bananas right now understand that the the the The time period was such that Henry VIII already had problems with the

Pope Not because he was so devout and was such a theologian But because he basically wanted to be divorced and needed an heir and the

Pope wouldn't grant him an annulment He was looking for an excuse to to do something and he did he ultimately broke away as everyone knows

He became declared himself the head of the church instead of the Pope and of course the Anglican Church was born and This is all happening right around the same time.

So the time was very ripe for all of this and In spite of that Henry still considered himself a

Catholic and so when William Tyndale started to produce copies of the of the

Bible in 1525 He was very gotten very much trouble with the church and even the secular authorities and he had to flee so he fled to a free city and I Remember was

Antwerp or one of those cities But anyway, they tracked him down and somebody betrayed him and they grabbed him and they threw him in jail for like a year

Where he was cold and miserable and shivering and finally they burned him at the stake in the meantime, they collected all of his

Bibles that he printed the Bishop of London bought them and And Funded new printings by buying them, you know, he created the man, you know, he kept buying them and burning them and they just could put him up and Consequently, you can't get a first edition anywhere of the

Tyndale Bible 1525. It's it's very fancy There's one that I think in the Morgan library.

It's worth millions and it wasn't even a nice printing it was sort of hastily thrown together because the idea was to just get the word out and You know, there's not many of them left but very important I have a 1555

Tyndale and first illustrated which is actually quite beautiful Tyndale's dead by this time, but they kept printing it and it was very important because Tyndale is considered to be the architect of the

English language and It's sad because no one knows about him anymore. No one teaches about him in public school

Didn't he invent the words that are now commonplace in English? Oh, yeah, the word beautiful He invented the word that we use all the time.

Wow, beautiful. That's a Tyndale word Oh only 90 % almost of the King James Bible is the work of Tyndale You know, he was brilliant.

He spoke eight languages and He spoke each language so perfectly that people said they would think any one of them was his native tongue

Just imagine that right and he was not dumb people. These are Really smart people more so than I could even conceive of I guess because I didn't have

TV, you know You know, they did nothing to do but learn. I mean they did these people were beyond intelligent and beyond learned and so he

Translated his Bible and had you know, his help is who's part of a group called the white horse I think it's the white horse in society about that makes him.

Yes Yes Yeah, Michael Horton named his radio program after that okay, well like 50 guys including

Miles Coverdale and John Rogers and a bunch of other guys that were meeting over over You know and discussing how do you get the

Bible in English and conspiring? allegedly all of them were killed except for Miles Coverdale and He went on to print the

Coverdale Bible, but by this time, you know the cat is sort of out of the bag and now people are tripping over themselves to print the

Bible and of course Calvin gets involved in Producing what we know is the Geneva Bible and I have a copy of the first ever

Geneva Bible printed in 1560 I also have a copy of if you notice I've got a

Calvin's Institute for the Christian religion You may not have seen that one. I haven't no first edition

We can't get the first edition, but each edition is considered a separate edition because he kept modifying it

So I have the last edition that he did during his life That's why

I did it up sort of a first, but it's not the true first But I think it's just amazing because you know now everybody's relying on the scriptures

You know the the sola scriptura of the Reformation is sort of you know, the resounding cry that's rallying everybody

But the craziest thing was the room Reaction to people hearing the Bible, you know for the first time

I mean Thomas lineacre right guy. You don't typically hear about he was an

Oxford professor in the 1490s He was the personal physician to King Henry the seventh and eighth in England He decided to learn

Greek and after reading the Gospels in Greek and comparing it to his Latin Vulgate He wrote in his diary either this the original

Greek is not the gospel or we're not Christians Wow That's how that sort of help help sort of corrupt the black the

Latin Vulgate had become or at least the teaching of the church and Then in 1496

John Colette His followers would be called Coletti That's how we get the

Italian name from Coletti. I was an Oxford professor the son of the mayor of London and He started preaching

In St. Paul's Cathedral Now typically St. Paul's Cathedral today holds maybe two or three hundred people and you know

It's a big place, but maybe two or three other people have boasts are ever in it There were 20 ,000 people packed in the church in those days and more outside trying to get in and all we were doing

We were reading the Bible in English Wow people were so Enthralled in the Bible, you know starved for the

Word of God Jesus said man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, right?

So so these people were truly spiritually hungry. We take it for granted I mean you and I have probably significant portions of the

Bible memorized, right? And even if we don't have it memorized we have them on our phone. We have it on our desk

We could access it. These people didn't have access to it. They just couldn't and You know when he's preaching in English, I mean that the public were crazy

I would that that would happen again today at some point actually church. You should stop preaching the

Bible That would be a good idea, wouldn't it? Efficacy and a power

That is just unsurpassed. It's you know, even when we do apologetics There's a thing called suppositional apologetics

Where you just quote the Bible and rely on the strength of the power of the Word and the wisdom of Scripture and the

Holy Spirit I don't believe that's the only type of apologetics we should do but it's certainly powerful

So so that's what was happening and and for his trouble with I'm sorry

Pindell this brilliant man Wonderful person who actually got into an argument with one of the one of the clergy

Who said he said in the argument and people heard it and he was really risking his life He said I defied the

Pope and all his laws and decrees He said I would that I would make the scriptures so readily available

And even the plow boy should know more of the scripture in the Word of God than the Pope That was a quote he made us and and and you know people just went you know religious people

We went crazy when they heard that because you know that hope how would you dare say that but you know what it came true?

Because you know as we know from from the Puritans and the pilgrims and England people were so well versed in the scripture that You know

They would he actually said I would that eat the plow boy We even hum some portion of the scripture as he plowed the fields and actually happened

You know became so prevalent and of course that was became the basis for the founding of America You know the new world, you know, they brought that tradition which is we're still benefiting from that today even though we've strayed from it, so you have this tremendous move towards the

Word of God and Which is really what drove Christianity for the next, you know, 500 years except now

Unfortunately, we were going backwards But I think we need to get back to the Bible and that's my mission to encourage people to read the

Bible You know to to explain to them that you know, we owe a lot to these great men

The Luther's the Tyndale's the Colette's the Gutenberg's the line acres and and Whitcliffe and all these guys

And then of course John Fox who wrote Fox's book of martyrs That's where we're getting a lot of this information, by the way, because Fox chronicled all of it was his life's work

I'm not talking about the paperback that you get in the Christian bookstore, which is about you know, 50 pages

I have an original John Fox I have a few of them actually and the volume will take you five years to read it

It's so dense and packed with information and it serves for the woodcuts Because it not only tells about the people being burned at the stake.

It's got artwork showing them burned at the stake Yes, I have seen that at your presentations

Yeah, we have one that we bring that colored that we bring that somebody, you know hand colored it

We like that one because it's very vivid, but it's actually a two -volume work, which is enormous

I mean, it's probably weighs 40 pounds and the pages are very big and they're very dense this is a monumental life, you know magnum opus of this guy and It just goes on in detail about every martyr since Stephen that he can come up with It's Fox's book of martyrs and starts with Stephen from the book of Acts And then goes on we don't know where he got the information

But he brings it special emphasis on the martyrs during the reign of bloody Mary and and in the

English Reformation So you see about all these guys about their trials about their statements about how they were executed

It's all there in detail I encourage you if you can find this information to read it if you're interested in it and you'll see them you know being burned and tied at the stake and all the different various torches that were inflicted upon them and it's like the

Cartoon words coming out of their mouth sometimes saying things, right? You can see what they're saying and he actually even records that in That there was

I think with seven men and women who were burned at the stake And their only crime was teaching the

Lord's Prayer to their children in English Wow, I mean if that's not horrible, I mean imagine that you burned at the stake by the

Christian Church For teaching the Lord's Prayer Your children in English and I that is just you know, horrible, but it happened well we have to go to our midway break right now and Folks, please be patient because the midway break of the show is always longer than the other breaks because grace life radio 90 .1

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Dan That I'd like I'd like to read to you First of all we've got a question from Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina and Grady has been quite a faithful and generous supporter of iron sharpens iron radio

Financially and we thank the Lord for him. He says hi brother is Chris and Dan you said

John Calvin translated the Geneva Bible What did he translate it from? It's my understanding that before King James It's my understanding that before King James I had the

King James translation done His grammar is rather clumsy

Grady. I'm sorry about that. But you're not really getting your question here I had the

King James translation done That all I see it says before King James the first Had the

King James translation done that the Geneva Bible was used by the Puritans Was there so many of the

King James Bibles available that the populace switched to them or was it a better translation?

Interesting and Dan. I'm pretty confident. You'll confirm this. It's kind of interesting how we have very

Sectarian and Nasty sometimes and bigoted

King James only advocates who Who even go to the lengths of saying that that if you're using another translation, you're not saved

It's interesting how although the Puritans didn't go that far. I understand they viewed The King James Bible as a liberal translation because they love the

Geneva so much, but but also please answer Grady's question Okay You've got a lot at me here the

King James is a very interesting translation. It's the only Translation.

It's the only book actually that is a masterpiece of what that's a masterpiece of English literature

It was produced by a committee it was produced by about 50 scholars meeting in Hampton Court in England and They were basically

You know different factions that were trying to get together to produce what's called an authorized translation and Up until that time the most important Bible was the

Geneva Bible The Geneva Bible was considered a thoroughly Protestant Bible the

King James Bible however, which is basically 95 % of the

Geneva Bible is basically the Some people like you said are so enamored with it and the

Protestants That they are considered King James. Only they think that's the only inspired translation.

What what's shocking is that? Most of those people are largely unaware that it's a Catholic Bible.

I mean it was produced by Catholic scholars You know pretty much at a time that where they were using

It in part the Roman Catholic arenas New Testament They took that into consideration in spite of that, however, the

King James Bible turned out to be a very accurate an excellent translation and I think part of the reason for that is because each broke the 50 scholars into different committees and Each committee of about I guess about five or six scholars was given a book to translate

They would translate it and then it would be circulated to the other members and it was continually revised and it was also

Produced with the idea of having a cadence a certain cadence to it So it would be easy to memorize which

I think is what made it so famous and what gives it such a beautiful sound

However, that is not the Bible of the Protestant speaking world And it's not even the

Bible of America that America was founded on the Bible I came over on the Mayflower was the

Geneva Bible and that was produced as I said earlier by John Calvin with the help of John Knox and It was produced in Geneva.

How exactly they did it I don't know but it was the first Bible produced with chapter and verse 1560

Geneva have a copy of that. You've seen it Chris and It's the first ever Bible with chapter and verse before that Basically, it was just the sections were numbered or lettered like a

B and C if you'd have John Chapter one and it would be section a B C Whatever and the

Geneva Bible at 1560 was the first one to actually number the verses which we all take for granted now

Which is very helpful, of course the study now that Bible became so popular in 1560 this very

Protestant Bible coming out of Geneva, Switzerland that It was the Bible of the

English -speaking world for over 50 years And and only gradually was supplanted by the

King James Version, which was produced as you know in 1611 the the

King James Version slowly over overtook the Geneva Bible and became the

Bible of the English -speaking world Well, it's really interesting that the

Bible that most people think of as the King James Bible is really the 1769 version of it

But they always say 1611 in the preface sort of like telling people It's it's based on that version.

So what do you know these King James only people? They're not even reading a King James Bible. They're actually reading the 1769 version

Which was revised the revised Oxford edition of the 1611

King James I actually have an original 1611 King James and will be slightly different when I say different I mean the differences are so minor, you know, even as you could see the

Geneva and the Bible and the King James are about 95 % similar. So and but most of that is based on the work of William Tyndale I mean when these people were translating the

Bible they relied on All of the translations that went before that even translations that weren't so great so the you know backing up a bit, you know

We missed some things in doing the timeline which I think will help sort of answer the question the

As I said We printed the Bible 1525 and then the members of the white horse in had various versions the

Matthews Bible Rogers Bible the Taverner's Bible the Coverdale Bible and it's in their

Bible was continuously revised, but in 1539 We had What's called the

Great Bible, which is the first time being printed. It's actually the first Authorized English Bible every

English Bible prior to 1539 was illegal and was sort of like garage print

I call them garage printings, you know, like they were done in a barn. They were done surreptitiously 1539

Because of King Henry VIII and his break from the Catholic Church. He finally decided flat -out to Authorize an

English translation of the Bible and that's called the Great Bible and it went through I think 11 printings I have a 14 a 1541 copy of that 1539

Great Bible very hard to get because they were they were chained to the pulpit in the

Crypts of many of these churches and they were literally read to death and people would just shred them take their favorite verses out and pull out sheets and you know

And then it was of course a great fire in London in the mid 17th century that a lot of these books were destroyed so they're very hard to get my own copies missing a few pages

But that was the first authorized English Bible now prior to that interestingly enough

Even the illegal printings were dedicating the Bible to the king I guess sort of like, you know kissing up to him like maybe if we get caught with this

We won't be burned at the stake because we dedicated to the king But up until 1539 that it was actually legal and that was called the

Great Bible But the Geneva Bible continued to be the Bible of choice but the problem with the

Geneva Bible was that there were so many footnotes and so many commentaries and as the religious wars were heating up the

Reformation and the counter -reformation each side calling each other ever greater names by the later edition of the

Geneva Bible they were flat out in the margins of the of the book calling the Pope the Antichrist the beast and You know, we don't like stuff like that.

This was fomenting trouble in the realm So the 1611 was basically an attempt at peacemaking in Which the various factions sort of came together and basically

King James who wasn't much of a theologian at all that look Bible but and you guys figure it out, but no footnotes.

That was his attitude Just just no footnotes. I don't want any margin notes. No footnotes Just text of Scripture because he was tired of all the violence

Rules don't like violence and so the King James Bible was then in that way

It has no footnotes the only notes are just some explanatory notes of a very minor nature

Regarding the text. So that was the Bible for many many years. But again since it's based on The Texas Receptus, which is the third edition of Stephanus's printing

Which is the 1550 Texas Receptus, which in turn was based on Erasmus's 1516

Greek New Testament, which in turn we said earlier was based on only seven or eight manuscripts

The King James has some problems, you know this over 27 ,000 ancient manuscripts now available for the

New Testament and Many of the earliest and best manuscripts had not been discovered at the time that these

Translations were made and even if they had been discovered like I mentioned earlier the Codex Vaticanus It wasn't available when they made available to Erasmus So you have all this karma over this

King James Bible, which is a great Bible though. Don't get me wrong I love the King James But it's ultimately based on seven or eight manuscripts and some of them weren't even that early and since then we've had many manuscript discoveries many more manuscripts available and for the modern

Translations like the one you're promoting on your on your show and the NIV are much more accurate than the

King James There's about a hundred lines of the Bible that the New Testament that are in dispute That's due to copyist errors

But with all the new you know Discoveries of manuscripts were able to reclaim the text with greater and greater accuracy

And if you read your modern translations, they usually bracket the questionable You know parts of the of the of the

New Testament and they say things like this Section is not in the these verses are not in the earliest and best manuscripts, but it's so rare It doesn't affect the doctrine of Christ at all.

Does it affect the teachings of the apostles at all? It's just on some minor things

So that's pretty much been the state of affairs up until the present time by the way

I will add that the Bible that William Shakespeare quoted from over 5 ,000 times is the

Geneva Bible Wow, as I said earlier the Geneva Bible was the Bible that came over on the

Mayflower And that was the Bible that they used to lead Pocahontas to the Lord So the

Geneva Bible is very important. That is a true Protestant Bible coming out of the free city of Geneva, Switzerland under the auspices of John Calvin and John Knox the great reformers and Was the

Bible of choice until? Really until the 1611 King James gradually

Supplanted it now that the Geneva Bible has been out of print since I think 1660

Right around that time And so if you get your hands on a Geneva Bible, it would have to be a facsimile copy usually of the 1560 edition

Yes, I think in your ministries, I think we're promoting a facsimile somebody was but Now when you said earlier

That the King James Version is largely a Catholic Bible Obviously the translators were

Anglican But are you talking about the fact that the textus receptus was established by Erasmus?

Who debated Luther on the bondage of the will is that what you really mean about the Catholic?

Yeah, well not only that Anglican is essentially Catholic, I think you know, is it up differently that Baptist, you know,

I consider Anglican is basically Catholic without the Pope. Well, there is a wing of Catholicism Anglo Catholicism that is

More in that category, but there are true Protestants Who are reformed and so on in the

Anglican Church? Do that The Catholic Church the part of the movement was so new at this point that really they're working with essentially a

Catholic text You know and in the sense that they were relying on the Vulgate they were relying. I didn't even get into the do a reams version

I have a 1582 Reams New Testament in my position, which is the

Catholic version, right? Of the New Testament, you know, what happened is once the cat was out of the bag if I use that phrase a few times

They'd sort of throw in the towel of the Catholic Church and with the attitude Well, if you can't beat him, we'll join them and they printed the do a reams version reams being the

New Testament do a being the Old Testament based on the cities where they were done and It was allegedly considered such a poor translation

That Bishop Fulkey wrote an entire Bible called Fulkey's refutation or Fulkey's Confutation, I think originally in 1599

I have a copy of that book actually a few copies of a 1602 version in which he line -by -line critiqued the

New Testament including the preface including the preface with the Preface that's out by saying something like you know we would have printed a

New Testament earlier, but we didn't have the money and you know, We finally by the grace of God decided to do it and Fulkey just blasted them.

He just said you don't have the money Are you serious? And not only are you are you are you follow it because you did have the money

You didn't even bother spending the money that you should have because there's such a poor translation And he just went after them every line

He just he just like every single point by verse by verse critiqued. It's called the Fulkey's refutation or a

Fulkey's computation It's an actual line -by -line critique of the Geneva. I'm sorry of the of the

Reims New Testament pretty hilarious when you read it But you know shows you how serious this was at that time, you know, and then in the

Catholic translation of the Bible You know, they would play with words I mean, you know, you can get into like whether this is intentional or just cultural

I don't like to I don't like to cast aspersions and impugn necessarily a bad motive, but you know, certainly you could

They took a word like like repentance and translated them as penance You know

Slightly and these are types of things we're talking about like these are not major, you know Overwhelming, you know things were like the thing that the devil is good, you know, and Jesus is bad

I'm not talking about those kind of errors subtle things where they're sort of pointing more to Catholic dogma

You know the idea of penance conveys with it that you have to do something or get something or perform some kind of a task

Where is repentance really indicates a change of mind? and so scholars would debate, you know, which is the more accurate translation and I believe repentance is a better translation, but you know, language is always shifting and changing

You know the King James Version for all its nobility and beautiful prose Does things like quit you like men.

What in the heck does that mean? Quit you like men. I mean, you know, the modern translations act like a man

Some of them don't even like to say the gender problem, you know, act like a man

That sounds like we're excluding women. So even more modern translations translate that verse

Act bravely Right. So here we go Evolution of the language quit you like men, which to me in the modern setting sounds like I should quit acting like a man

It actually means I ought to act like a man Implying why I should be bold brave and daring Later translations say act like a man and the more modern translations say act bravely or act, you know

Circumspectly or whatever. So so so you see the evolution of language and that's the problem inherent in all of these translations because Things today that they did even 20 years ago, you know, you know, you just see that in the way language evolved

So that's sort of an undercurrent and all these discussions and that's part of this whole transition

Well, we can't forget the Four Seasons version of the Bible walk like a man

You know in terms of these things I just want to encourage your listeners I know that you have some very intelligent people listening and you also have some very intelligent people who aren't familiar with this subject and Maybe have some left school people

Listening, but what I want to encourage people all of you is to understand that the Bible that you have

I don't pretty much care what it is is 95 % reliable and that no doctrine of Christ or the

Apostles is in serious dispute and That you know the best thing to do it, especially with the

Internet, which is what I recommend people to do is use multiple Translations if you have any question as to what's being said and you could do that on any number of Internet sites

I particularly like Bible hub .com Which compares about 20 side -by -side translations and you know

When you do that, you're going to see readily that there is not much difference in Any one particular verse over it in one translation over another they all are saying the same thing in Slightly different ways and what you'll find when you do that is you sort of get a holographic view of the scripture

Which I think is very rich and I remember when I was in Bible school and my professor who was a

Princeton doctor I had a doctorate from Princeton He said I want you to do a paper on on a passage of scripture and I go

I want you to use no less than ten translations and I thought he had two heads. I thought like this is not possible

And then sure enough, you know, he was right and and then they did the exercise that I wrote the paper

I realized that this is real value into what he was saying And it was just nuances of meaning but it gave me a richer view of the scripture

And I think that's something I recommend everyone should do. So just taking even modern translations

For example, the NIV is a it what's called an idiomatic translation, right? It translates meaning by phrases, but then

I think somebody like the NASB is a word -for -word translation It depends what you like I got a great

I know you taught that book. I love that book the NASB It's a great Bible, but it sometimes if you if you don't have the education

You may miss some of the meaning that's being conveyed because word for word Doesn't have the same meaning today as it did in ancient

Israel So the idiomatic translation which arguably is less accurate because it's not word for word

But also conveys the meaning so hey, why not use both? After you're serious scholars for you

Preachers and people who really want to get to the heart of it of what the board is saying I think you should use multiple translations

And I hardly recommend that the Bible that you're you're advertising I read it and it's a great book

In fact even though our mutual friend dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries Wrote the

King James only controversy controversial there are occasions where? During a sermon he will point out that he prefers a way a certain text the way that the

King James translates it so 316 it sounds great the

King James you know by the way It was either the last time or the time before when dr.

White was on this program He was raving about your gift to him on Christmas Some years ago.

I don't know how many years ago. It was when you gave him the Stephanus text from your collection

I Gave him a a textus receptus. I think I blew his bucket. You did

He's a true scholar, I do not pretend to be a scholar I mean to me I Am a an amateur scholar in in this and I just want to I think that every person no matter what your occupation is we

We owe it to the scriptures. We owe it to the Lord to You know have some proficiency in these subjects and more importantly we need to be able to answer the critics

I recommend you guys go on Quora. Has anybody been on Quora? Quora is a wonderful website

There's a lot of junk on it, but it's this great questions that are asked and I I'm laying in with regularity on Theological subjects

I now have a hundred and two thousand views And I've only been doing it a couple of months

And I'm enjoying it and I you can't even believe some of the things that people say so ignorant and so wrong and so evil

And I just sort of put people nicely in their place and defend the faith I recommend

And you get a feed in your box and people will ask you questions you list what your topics you want to speak about and There's nothing truly salacious on it.

I mean is it there's no nudity There's no pornography or anything like that. Occasionally, there'll be like a racy article.

You can just skip over that but Most of it is actually very excellent But what it is is it's a public forum to discuss these things and I've got

I've debated a Muslim Scholar a Muslim professor in Pakistan and by the end of the debate

He was coming around to Christianity very favorably getting some up votes Yeah, because you can upvote an answer and you can

Comment on an answer and then of course you get you know Totally melodic people who just say the dumbest things and they you know chastise you which is all part of the

Listen the Apostles were persecuted, you know, the flesh on their back was ripped from them

I could handle a little bit of you know Dopey criticism from somebody on the other side of the world who's never read the

Bible and wants to criticize the Christian faith you know, that's what you get and So yeah, if you can do that, but the point of this is that we have to be well -versed in these things whether you're a lawyer

A plumber a police officer a teacher so you could speak to the people in your realm of influence

Because teachers listen to other teachers and cops Listen to other cops and lawyers listen to other lawyers and not that you're going to get everybody saved

But at least you could put up a party defense for the gospel and for the truth of Christ. Amen. I have a question from Cork Ireland that I am going to read and I'll have you answer it when we come back from our final break and This relates to something about what you were just talking about We have

Mary and Cork Ireland who asks I have heard that there is more evidence pointing to the reliability of the

New Testament than there is for such great works of Antiquity as Shakespeare and others and I have heard that even

Bart Ehrman reluctantly agreed to that fact Is this true? so if anybody else wants to Join us now's the time to shoot your question to us to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com

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This is Chris Arnzen if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours has been

Dan Budofuco attorney at law and founder of the Historical Bible Society and Mary from Cork, Ireland as you probably remember

Wanted to know if it is true that there is more evidence attesting to the authenticity of the

New Testament More evidence for that than there is for the greatest works of antiquity such as Shakespeare Yeah, okay.

Let me just say it was worth it that question because she brought up Bart Ehrman All right, and the question is yes,

Bart Ehrman would agree That there is more evidence for the New Testament, which is the most indisputably

Documented ancient writing in the history of the world There's more than 27 ,000 ancient manuscripts in a plethora of languages

That give you know credence to the New Testament that are that are various quality of various completeness but spend many centuries going back as early as the first century to You know the 10th century and even later

Ancient documents that that we can be caught collated compared analyzed sifted and cross -referenced which will give us a very good idea of what the autographers say more than a very good idea actually and amazingly accurate idea of what the autographers say, you know

And yes the next the next most attested to ancient manuscript

Technically Shakespeare would not be considered ancient since he printed his portfolio in 1620 that the first folio

Shakespeare is dated 1620. That's considered modern times because that's the printing and So I think what she's meaning is the next most attested to one would have been

Homer's Iliad and there's approximately 1 ,000 ancient manuscripts and I believe the earliest

Complete Homer's Iliad is something like 15 notes 2 ,200 years after Homer wrote so there is a huge gap between what

Homer wrote and when The earliest complete manuscript and only a thousand ancient manuscripts and yet scholars believe we have a very

Reliable rendition of what Homer wrote maybe 1 ,500 years But regardless, it's a very long time between the earliest

Between Homer wrote and our earliest complete Homer Unlike the New Testament where we have actual manuscripts from almost the time of when

Matthew lived when Mark Luke and John lived So and even though they're not complete it gives a greater a sense of reliability

And yes, Herman would agree with that now in his book misquoting Jesus He will say, you know, obviously he sensationalized it in order to sell books which the motive is obvious you know, he became famous and he'd be made a lot of money and Before that I read the book

I critiqued the book and He makes some valid points, which is that there are some copying errors in the

Bible but Even he would have to concede that the copying errors are such that it doesn't change

Any doctrine that Christ taught or any of the stories of the New Testament Really is just a couple of lines or hundred lines and doubt.

So yes, that is true. Mary is correct Great. Well, thank you, Mary. And now we have a first -time

Questioner Carlene and forgive me if I mispronounce this city in New Jersey A pack

Kong H O P a TC o NG in Sussex County, New Jersey she asks

Did what did Whitecliffe have assistance in? Translating the

Bible into English or was he doing that all on his own? You know, that's a good question.

I mean this happened in the late 1300s. His father was with the Louds. I my belief is that Whitcliffe did the translating himself and But that he had helped with the actual copying by his assistants, but I believe he did the actual translating himself

Because not many people were that proficient in ancient Greek But I'm not 100 % who would know if he had help in you know

Translated a passage or Collaborated with him or something. I don't think that question is answerable.

I just don't know that the complete answer Well, thank you Carlene and guess what since you are a first -time questioner you receive a free

New American Standard Bible So, please make sure you give me your full mailing address in Hopat Kong New Jersey and sorry if I'm mispronouncing that again

Mm -hmm We have John and Bangor, Maine Who wants to know how far are you willing to travel in the

United States to give your historical Bible Society presentations? You know, well, it's changed since the

COVID -19 situation, you know, we had access a friend of ours lent us his private jet

We had to pay for the fuel and we had to pay for the pilots and we were able to go down to the

Billy Graham Library from New York, and so that's quite a quite a flight now. It's about an hour and a half flight

That's in Charlotte, North Carolina from New York. So that's pretty far We would probably and we went to also to Chicago to Moody with the same plane and another occasion

It really depends. I mean, I'm willing to go anywhere. I may not be able to bring the Bibles, but I'm willing to go anywhere

So let's have them call me and we'll see what we can do Once this thing lifts and once we develop the herd immunity that we're hoping will happen soon or some kind of a vaccination well now

I'd like you to summarize in Several minutes what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today regarding our subject

Yeah, that's great. That's a great point My summation here would be that the Bible that you have on your computer on your smartphone

In your hands on your desk in the pocket in front of your pew That your pastor has on his pulpit or on his desk.

I don't care what Translation it is Unless if it's something really funky that is, you know, like a

New World Translation, which is brought, you know Which was translated by people with it with a clear agenda

But we've got even that Bible you can get saved with if you read it But but the

Bible that you have accessible to you is the product of the work of many great scholars and men and women who have risked their lives given their lives shed their blood and Suffered tremendous tortures so that you could have the

Word of God in your language God has superintended over his word and he's preserved it and this debate which is the

The father of scholars who you know, like not only splitting theological hairs, but splitting, you know

Translation errors and and and subtle meanings and esoteric meanings of words Other than that, you know, the average person would not even understand the debate

I mean, you know, we can get into the critical text and the majority text and you know, really confuse everybody

But the bottom line is the Bible that you have is reliable You can read it with confidence.

You have the words of Jesus. You have the words of the Apostles No doctrine of the churches in dispute.

They all essentially say the same thing when we talk about variants, which that's the correct term in terms of Alleged copying errors.

We're talking about leaving out a comma and apostrophe Making something plural that shouldn't be plural a capital letter where it should be a capital letter and a hundred lines in dispute at the most

And these are all counted as variants even if the same thing is repeated over and over and over again and so it's really not something that you should worry about and You can be bold and confident in knowing that you have an accurate reading you have an accurate copy of what

Matthew and Mark and Luke and and the disciples all wrote the

Apostles and what Paul wrote and you can read it with confidence and you can put your heart and Believing it and you can trust the

Word of God as the very words of God and I really mean that Well, praise God, you know it's been a thrill for me to have you back on the show after such a long absence

Dan and I hope that you're not a stranger for too long before you return and I just want to make sure that our listeners have all of your contact information first of all the website for the law firm of Buttafuoco and Associates is 1 -800 -now -hurt .com

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That's also our phone number, 1 -800 -now -hurt 1 -800 -now -hurt is not only our website. It's also our phone number.

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Well, I would love to have you back in the show to discuss that if you would like Yeah, whatever. I mean, whatever great.

Well, I'm here. I'm here and I'm available. I support you, buddy You know, I love what you do great Well, I want to thank also everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write.

I Apologize for those of you. We didn't have time To ask your questions But keep your eyes and ears open for Dan's next visit and maybe your question will make the cut next time

But I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater