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Hailey Bieber interviews Yvonne Orji. With Paul Washer.
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- To me. Oh, no, nothing good ever comes after those two words
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- Hey everyone, it's Haley Haley Road Baldwin Bieber married to Justin Bieber model and media personality
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- YouTube channel with over a million subscribers Today is a conversation with the incredible Yvonne orgy
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- Yvonne orgy Actress and comedian best known for her role in the television series insecure.
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- Let's see what that's about Well, it looks like she doesn't take the third commandment very seriously
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- We both in different ways work in this industry where I feel like a lot of the time people
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- Misunderstand God and believing in Jesus and sometimes it can be difficult to be in this industry believing what we believe in.
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- That's great Celebrities who believe in Jesus. I'm sure it must be difficult to be a celebrity
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- Christian without compromising on the gospel I'm looking forward to seeing how they navigate this difficult path
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- You have a book that's coming out called bamboozled by Jesus full title is bamboozled by Jesus How God tricked me into the life of my dreams
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- So Yvonne wrote a book about God trickiness and not just trickiness
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- Trickiness into living the life of our dreams. I'm getting a strong your best life now vibe here
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- But he will tell you to do some stuff that either you don't want to do or you are not certain how doing it is
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- Going to get you to a place that you don't even know you can go to and so that's part of the process The whole point of being bamboozled is that you get tricked into the life of your dreams
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- Yvonne says that God's goal is to give us the life of our dreams But Yvonne, what if we're sinners who want the wrong things?
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- No, God's goal isn't to give us the life of our dreams It's to change our hearts
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- So that the life of our dreams become a life of worship and obedience to the
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- God of the Bible You're saying God is centered on us, but it's actually us who should be centered on God When God told me to do comedy,
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- I kind of had this back and forth. I was like nah fam You don't know me. That's also how I talk to God like nah fam.
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- You don't know me. Ah, yes I remember Jesus appearing to John in the book of Revelation with a two -edged sword in his mouth and John saying to Jesus Nah fam.
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- Oh Wait, no, John fell at his feet as if he were dead
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- Because it's like people think there's like a certain way where you need to have this certain type of relationship with God But like he's our friend.
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- I give him the side eye all the time Jesus is our friend, but he's not a homeboy kind of friend.
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- He's also Lord and King of the universe He's also the infinitely
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- Holy Creator God. Here's a question. Are you approaching Jesus with the reverence he deserves?
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- Do I do the thing that I say? I I believe do I do the thing that I sing about in all the songs that I'm learning at in church
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- It was like, all right Well, he must know something about me that I don't know about me yet and he did and that was 2001
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- Wow cut to 2020 I released my first HBO comedy special So Yvonne you're saying
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- God's goal in wanting you to follow and obey him Was for you to be able to release an
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- HBO comedy special and here I thought God's goal was to conform us into the image of Christ and to use us to proclaim the gospel of sin and salvation to the world
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- You're an actress. You're on this show where you are doing sex scenes and cursing and doing things that a lot of people who are
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- Christian would probably see that and be like Oh, well, you're not a real Christian because you're doing sex scenes and you're doing this and but Yvonne Real Christians have had their heart changed and don't want to sin anymore
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- You're voluntarily choosing to curse and do sex scenes, which are clearly sins
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- There seems to be a contradiction between what you say you believe and how you're choosing to live your life
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- I would be concerned if I were you In a similar way sometimes
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- I'll you know for my job I have to show skin or like I'll get photographed in like underwear or lingerie or like something and people are like well
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- That's not a good representation because you're not modest and you're not this Haley you're displaying your body sexually to the public to men who are not your husband
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- That's called sexual immorality and it's clearly a sin like Yvonne There seems to be a contradiction a hypocrisy between your professed faith and the decisions you're making
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- Just because sexual immorality has become normalized in our society doesn't mean
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- God is okay with it. Here's Vodi Let's say that there's a pornography scale of 1 to 10.
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- Well, I think culturally we probably live every day around a 3 or 4
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- Just in commercials and just in you know, it just just in that just in things that we become desensitized to God knew who he could trust with certain bodies because if I had your body
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- I would wear pasties to church every day Oh my god, just crop tops and pasties Yvonne.
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- You're joking about wearing crop tops and pasties to church I thought church was a place to worship
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- God not a place to show off your body sexually Yvonne do you worship
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- God or yourself? When he brought me to Hollywood I was like alright fam
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- So what does look like and so we had conversations of like alright is cursing off limits and he was like nah
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- God told you cursing was off limits But God already said in the
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- Bible to put away obscene talk Either a different God told you that or you're saying
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- God contradicts himself Both appear to be serious problems So I was like, okay.
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- Well, how do we navigate sex scenes? I just person was like I'm not showing anybody my areolas for nothing
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- I always wanted to say I wanted to leave something to the imagination for my husband So the line you won't cross is being filmed naked.
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- I think you've drawn the line in the wrong place Yvonne, it doesn't matter what you're willing or not willing to do
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- I think you should listen to what God says we should and shouldn't do I think
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- I also like take a place where I'm like, okay, I wouldn't want to ever be shot naked but like Props to any woman that's comfortable doing that But Hayley if you're giving props to women who are willing to be filmed naked
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- You're saying that's morally acceptable. There's a problem though That's sexual immorality and God says something about giving approval to sin
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- I Also knew I couldn't go in there and be like,
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- I'm a Christian. I love Jesus. So what I'm not gonna do They'd be like great. Let's recast her now So I had to meet them where they were in order for me to understand how to help them meet me where I was
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- Yvonne you would rather compromise on what you say you believe to keep a roll
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- It seems to me that if a company is requiring you to compromise on your faith
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- Then that's not a company you should want to work for but maybe acting and success are more
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- Important to you than faithfulness to God just a thought. I Definitely did get
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- Christians who were like, I just don't understand how you can say you love God and still but that seems to be a
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- Perfectly appropriate response from Christians. How can you say you love God and at the same time?
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- Voluntarily compromise on what the Bible clearly teaches I think you should listen to the concerns
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- Christians have about the hypocrisy they see in your life I'm high -key making it easier for the next
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- Christian who wants to enter this field When they deal with a director of production company, they can be like we know how to work with you.
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- Oh, yes Let's help Christians who want to enter the acting field by being an example of someone who compromises on what the
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- Bible teaches To keep a role that you really want Maybe a better way to help Christians is to be an example of someone who risks losing a role because you won't compromise on what the
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- Bible teaches I Think people think that there's only one way to be a
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- Christian Well, there kind of is only one way to be a Christian believe and obey what
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- God has revealed through his word the Bible Believe in Jesus of the Bible not an imaginary Jesus that you've created for yourself
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- Your relationship with God is not gonna be the same as mine And not the same as yours or any other person in this room or in the world
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- Sure, our individual Christian walks might look different, but we still all have the same foundation the
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- Bible To me. Oh, no, nothing good ever comes after those two words
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- My relationship with Jesus is I believe that he was about love and acceptance
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- That actually explains a lot Haley, I think you have a one -sided view of Jesus to you
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- Jesus is all about love and acceptance But not about sin and punishment
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- But the Jesus of the Bible is about both Jesus punishes people who don't believe and repent of sin and he loves and saves those who do
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- But see in you doing your job by just being your most authentic self your most authentic self
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- I keep on hearing that phrase. What do you consider yourself a conversion therapy?
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- Survivor someone who's been shamed for their authentic identity, but we're sinners So our most authentic self is actually a problem
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- We're supposed to be transformed into what God has called us to be not stay who we naturally are
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- It's like your life being happy your life being The version of it that you want it to be it's the thing that it'll attract somebody to be like What is it like yes
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- Christians should be the happiest people in the world because of the gospel But if you're attracting people to your sinful and hypocritical lifestyle, you're not attracting them to the right
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- God. I Talk about in the book how I want to live my life in a way where someone can say
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- I'll have what she's having Oh, yes, I'll have what she's having I also went to curse do sex scenes and compromise on my faith to keep a roll
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- Do you see a problem with any of this Yvonne? And one thing
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- I say in the book is that Opinions are like booty holes. Everybody got them Everyone has opinions, but what the
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- Bible teaches is fact and you should listen to that If I end up seeing a comment, that's like you're this and you're a and then
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- I click on their page and it's like mom of four Philippians 413
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- Married wife God -fearing woman and I'm just like Huh?
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- I don't think it's a good idea to use mean Hypocritical Christians to avoid listening to the ones who are telling you the truth about your contradictory lifestyle
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- Because they care about your soul How is that showing the love of God?
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- Like how is that winning souls? Let's just ignore the unloving self -righteous
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- Hypocritical Christians Will you listen to the ones who are worried about whether the faith you say you have in Jesus is true saving faith?
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- Turns a lot of people off I believe to church I've met Christian people that are just super Judgmental and may I feel like I'm a bad person because I don't live my life the way they think
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- I should live my life It's not about the way we think you should live your life It's about what
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- God says in the Bible about how all Christians should live their lives
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- The question is will you listen to God? And I felt weird about certain like posting certain photos of myself or feeling like people in the church are gonna see this am
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- I? Doing something wrong. Am I setting like a bad example in the reality is is like it No, well, it is a bad example to be posting public photos of yourself that are immodest and sexual
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- That should be obvious and the fact that you don't see this is concerning You know the way
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- I was brought up it was like you're not gonna have sex until you're married It's just because I'm not just because I'm not
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- Don't yeah, and like they're not being any more of a bigger in -depth
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- Conversation of like both sides of it. If you do, here's this conversation and if you don't here's this conversation.
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- Let's talk Yes, it's important to also explain why sex outside the marriage is sin, but that doesn't change the truth
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- Only one side is right and every other side is wrong The Bible says fornication is sin.
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- What other side is there? Here's Paul Washer now Let's look at the word fornication.
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- It has to do with any sort of sexual activity outside the sacred bonds of marriage
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- Okay, maybe I want to wait till marriage. Maybe I want to wait till I'm 18 Maybe I want to wait time in a committed relationship
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- Maybe I don't want to wait at all Because there's that side of it too, but that side would be wrong
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- Haley you're giving people the idea that sex outside marriage might not be sin and The Bible gives a serious warning against causing others to sin
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- They asked me all the time. They're like Oh, what would you say is like the biggest thing in your relationship and you guys are really happy and I'm like, it's our faith
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- And if we didn't have that we wouldn't even be here we wouldn't even be together It's great that faith is important to you and Justin But your faith needs to be in Jesus of the
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- Bible Not a Jesus of your own imagination and creation It's serious hypocrisy to justify and approve of sin and sexual immorality
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- In this industry you need gracious people because that's actually what wins more souls
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- We need both gracious people and a solid biblical truth If we compromise and distort what the
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- Bible teaches then it doesn't matter how gracious we are We would be pointing people towards a false gospel that doesn't save My dear friend listen to me the true
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- Christian the godliest of Christians will struggle With the flesh they'll struggle with sin, they'll struggle with the world
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- They'll struggle with the devil in the most pious life. You will see men mourn over their weaknesses