Evangelicals for Harris

Welcome to the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host, John Harris. We're going to talk today about evangelicals for Harris. And I don't mean me. I know that's my last name. I've had some people ask me about it is Kamala Harris in the family.

Are you related? And my answer, according to my father is no, that there's two lines of Harris's. One's Scottish and one's English. We're part of the Scottish line. She's from the English line. That's what he says.

Maybe he's just trying to distance himself. But for all the other Harris's out there, I probably should have had it up on the screen, but I didn't think about it till just now. I will have a shirt and I will wear it on the podcast.

I will show you that says Harris is against Harris. So for all the Harris's out there, we needed to come up with something. And I remember when I was thinking about this, I was like, you know, there aren't many Trump's out there.

I don't think there's a lot of Biden's, certainly not a lot of Obama's. I'm trying to think, I think I've met one Bush in my life, you know. Harris is such a common name. We haven't had a very common name for a while.

So Harris is against Harris. I think that could include a lot of people. That could be a grassroots identity politics organization. Anyway, it's good to have you all on the podcast today. I see people are coming in.

And if you want to be part of the live chat, you can go to YouTube, you can go to Facebook, or you can go to X. And leave a comment there or a question. And if it's a question, especially I will do my utmost to get to it.

So thank you, Andrew. Everyone does have their cross to bear. And mine is having the last name Harris right now, apparently. So I want to let you know before we get into everything that I am speaking, I'm pretty bad at this lately, and I need to get better because I have some speaking engagements coming up, but I am speaking.

In fact, this is old, July 28th, obviously is past. So I can take this off. That's almost a month ago. This Sunday, I don't have it up here. I will be speaking at Evangelical Fellowship Church in Stone Ridge, New York.

If anyone lives in the New York area and you want to come on out, that's where I'll be. That's this coming Sunday. But I do have some conferences I'll be at. And so I wanted to let you know about them.

I really need to edit this because obviously May 5th through 4th has also gone by. So let's skip ahead to September 27th through 29th. That's where we're at now. And the Fundamentals Conference is coming up.

That's a men's conference at Camp of the Woods. It's only a weekend, so it's not a huge time commitment. I know some people are trying to make arrangements to stay a day longer. They're coming out a day earlier to enjoy the camp and that kind of thing.

But this is just a Friday night, Saturday and Sunday morning thing in a beautiful area though. And you can go to fundamentalsconference .com to find out more. That's all I'll say about it now, but we have a lot of people signing up and we're gonna have a fishing competition.

I have more to say about that. I have more announcements to make. And when I have the trophy, I will show it to you. October 11th through 12th is the Future of Christendom Conference in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

I think you can look that up on a search now. I don't have it linked here because there wasn't a link when I first put it down, but I'm pretty sure you can sign up now if you go on DuckDuckGo or whatever search engine you use and type in Future of Christendom Conference, Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

And then the Jesus and Politics Conference. I'm really looking forward to this because I've done this for two years, I think. And I was supposed to do it last year. And unfortunately, my mother-in-law passed away and wasn't able to go.

And I obviously, under the circumstances, didn't wanna be there. I needed to be with the family, but I did miss going last year. And I'm looking forward to being there this year in Syracuse, Indiana. And Rod Barton's gonna be there this year, by the way.

So is William Wolfe. And I don't know, actually, everyone, so I probably should stop talking. I'm pretty sure Joseph Spurgeon's gonna be there. Obviously, Tim Bushong, he's the pastor who sponsors this.

I know I'm leaving people out. I'm not sure who he has coming, but I'll be there. And then in November, November 2nd through 3rd, the Strong Pillars Conference, Jeffersonville, Indiana, which is right near Louisville, Kentucky.

So if you are in that Tennessee-Indiana border region, come on out. This is actually going to be, I think, right before the election. So I hope I can get home. I hope I can get home. And then we have stuff coming next year.

I don't even have everything filled out for next year. But those are some things that are just coming up this fall. And I wanted to make you aware of them so that you know where to see me. And I'm looking forward to speaking at all these various places.

We're gonna talk, like I said today, about Evangelicals for Harris. And while we do this, I wanna get into a couple other organizations that seem similar, that I've seen people who are more on the left and claim to be evangelical.

They're sharing posts from these other organizations. And so we're not just gonna talk about Evangelicals for Harris, but obviously we are gonna talk about Evangelicals for Harris. And did I misspell it?

Someone's saying Evangelicals for Harris misspelled. Hmm, did I? I don't think I misspelled it. H-A-R-R-I-S, that's my name, right? Chastity Hill says, "'Loved your interview with Pastor Joel yesterday "'and can't wait to hear what you have to say today.'".

Oh, by the way, for those who have watched my interview with Joel Webben, I didn't know exactly what we were gonna be talking about. I think the conversation just developed. And we talked an awful lot about abolitionism and slavery in the 19th century in the United States.

And I think it initially started, if I remember, I think he had asked me, because it was over a week ago we filmed it, he had asked me to do something on the Confederacy. And we talked a little bit about the Confederacy, historically speaking.

But I said, well, you know, we have the 1607 project out and I directed that and produced it. And I wouldn't mind talking about that. That's a bit of a passion project and I'd love to get the word out there about it.

And we ended up talking mostly about antebellum abolitionism and the debate over abolitionism. So if you wanna know more about those topics, whether it's the Confederacy, early America, the founding fathers, how they wrestled with slavery, Christianity, and how it relates to that, the Bible, all of this stuff, you know, how apologists specifically try to defend the Christian faith when people bring this up.

I have a two-part series right now that I have filmed within the last month, I think I've done both videos. And it's only for Patreons though. So if you are a Patreon, patreon .com forward slash worldview conversation, you can have access to those videos and the slideshows that go with them with all the primary sources.

And it's good for, I mean, if you wanted to even go over it with a small group or something, you could do that. But this was another area where I just thought, there's a number of areas like this, but I don't see good material out there.

I really just don't see Christian apologists handling that topic well. And in a way that atheists or those who oppose Christianity can't just really make you look stupid for. And I've seen a lot of Christians look very stupid, unfortunately, in college ministry settings, doing evangelism and that kind of thing, where you get a college kid who usually they don't know much but they know enough to know, hey, the Bible says this about the institution of slavery.

And they've been told what they've been told in their American history class as well. And that usually gets coupled in with it, or maybe they're upset about ancient slavery or biblical slavery or whatever, but they have a gripe and they talk to the Christian who's supposedly trained in apologetics or in evangelism.

And the answers they get, they're like Swiss cheese. They can really just make you look foolish. And I've seen that happen a number of times. And so it's one of the reasons that I handle it differently, I think a little differently than some of your more mainstream, popular Christian apologists.

And I felt compelled to put out some material and produce some material on it. So if you're a patron, you can get access to that. At some point, I may make it available for everyone, but that is one of the perks to being a patron.

And I've really thought lately there should be some perks. So that is one of them. So I appreciate everyone who supports me on Patreon by the way. But anyway, so people weighing in about that. My interview with Joel Webb and we talked about some of those things.

My brother, David Harris says, I've never felt so supported as a Harris. So many evangelicals are for me. Yes, I think they're talking about someone else. Pretty sure they're talking about someone else.

So the Ann campaign. Yes, I've talked about the Ann campaign a number of times. We're not gonna talk about them as much today, but the Ann campaign is the same as evangelicals for Harris. Jimmy Starfish says, but they pretend to be neutral.

Justin Gibney is a grifter. Yeah, I just don't feel compelled to talk about them or the American Solidarity Party, to be quite honest, which is different because they are actually running, I think their own candidates that you're supposed to write in and stuff.

But they all have this third way approach. Republicans are no good. Democrats are no good. And we need to transcend this. I think the difference with maybe the Ann campaign is I think they do lean more left, like they don't have their own candidates they're running.

They're playing the third way thing, but they're playing it to the left. And it's definitely an on-ramp for evangelicals to vote for Democrats. And Michael Ware, who is one of the founders of the Ann campaign, of course, was a Democrat strategist.

So figure that one out, right? Yeah, we're not talking about the interview I did with Joel. I don't want that to suck the oxygen out of the room, but I do have some comments. I'm not super convinced of some of the points you made in that interview, that there was a viable path to freedom in the South if the North had not forced it.

I don't know if I phrased it quite in those terms. I just said that there were gradual emancipationists in both the North and the South, by the way. It wasn't unique to the South at all, but who wanted to end slavery, or they foresaw the end of slavery in a more responsible fashion than it ended up happening in.

And that's a historical fact. That's not really, I don't know what point, like that's not something, like I'm not making an argument for that. I'm just stating that this is how it was. I suppose the argument that I would make, if you want to relate it to an argument, would be if I lived under the conditions of let's say the 1830s or the 1840s, I probably would have been a gradual emancipationist.

And I would have probably, if I lived through the Civil War, I would have looked in horror at what became of many slaves and ex-slaves after that event. And with the estimates being that a million of them starved and died and they were freed into an impoverished war-torn land.

And it poisoned race relations for years to come. And so, yeah, I definitely think there was a better way. I mean, at the end, see, I don't want the oxygen sucked out of the room, but here we go, you're tapping into my nerdom here.

You know, in 1865, at the end of the war, the Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, had even, he had signed into law. It was too late, but he had signed into law that they were essentially figuring out a way to grant freedom for slaves who would agree to fight for the Confederacy.

So, and there's a lot of other things I could point you to. Joel didn't really ask me about it, so I didn't get into it, but there's a number of other factors you can look at to say the moral will to end it was there, or at least, you know, it was, I think under the right conditions, you could have foreseen that happening.

But the, you know, that's one of those things about history. Like you can look back and say, what if the American Revolution was never fought? You know, what if the allies hadn't won World War II? There's all these what ifs, and you just don't know what history, what would have happened.

That's a very speculative thing to get into. And so I try not to be too speculative if I can avoid it. I love history, Striker says. Yeah, I do too. That's part of the, I mean, I guess technically, you know, that's one of my areas of study.

So in undergrad, that was a big area of study for me. In grad school though, my area of primary focus was evangelicals, specifically evangelicals on the left during the second part of the 20th century, which is modern history.

It's not really, it's not, it almost, it barely qualifies as history. And that's what we're gonna talk about today, evangelicals for Harris. So, all right, last, I'll allow this one last, this one last, this is the last comment on this.

One fact that I've never here mentioned is that only in America were slave populations self-sustaining with more births than deaths because of this abolishing the slave trade ended slavery everywhere else.

I'm actually trying to wrap my head around this. Okay, so, yeah, there were, the population was rising and abolishing the slave trade ended slavery wherever else. Yeah, so by 1808, it was supposed to be ended.

There was still smuggling happening, but I don't think it did end slavery everywhere else to be quite honest. I think it went on. I mean, Brazil didn't end it till, what was it, 1883. I mean, there was a lot of places in South America and the Caribbean that still had slave ships going to them after it was banned in the United States.

So, all right, we're done with that. We're done with that. We're going to talk about the issue at hand because we're almost 15 minutes into this podcast. I don't wanna get side-railed too much. So, Evangelicals for Harris is the, and I have a number of videos, a number of things to talk to you about regarding this.

And we're trying to make sure that the Democrats don't, well, I think they already have, but they don't, even more so, give us the kind of crushing civil slavery where you're a number and where, frankly, just very twisted and ungodly policies are forced upon you and your children.

And you're a number in the state apparatus. So, we're approaching that. And that's one of the things that I think causes a lot of angst. This is what dystopian futures in novels like 1984 and Brave New World depict.

And I think people feel like we're careening closer and closer and closer to that. And it is surreal to hear the Democrats talk about being the party of freedom and that the Republicans wanna take your personal freedom and invade your lives with the government when it just sounds like projection.

And so, let's talk about, I'm trying to think what clip to even start with you. Let's start with this clip. This is Evangelicals for Harris. And this is a video that they just put out supporting Kamala Harris.

And really, it's just an attack on Donald Trump, but it's supposed to persuade evangelicals that this is the candidate.

I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? It's, like, incredible. Somebody, if I happen to be president and I see somebody who's doing well and beating me very badly, I say, go down and indict them.

I alone can fix it. They're poisoning the blood of our country. That's what they've done.

All right, so it says, read 1 John 4. It says, quotes, not every spirit, don't believe every spirit who comes to you. And of course, this is talking about false teachers who come to introduce destructive heresies, but they're applying it to Donald Trump.

And they're saying, this applies to Donald Trump. He's a false teacher in the church. And I would just be quick to point out that Donald Trump is not in an ecclesiastical position. He's not in a church.

He's not, he wants to be president, but I don't see anything about him. There might be some people making him out to be more than he is, but he's pretty honest, I think, about who he is. And you heard in those clips, he's certainly not an Orthodox Christian.

So the things that come out of his mouth when he talks about Christianity are often not Orthodox things. He has a certain love for a cultural Christianity of some kind, but he's not our guy when it comes to, like, he's an evangelical.

I would never consider him that. I never have considered him that. And I don't know of many evangelicals in my circles, at least in conservative evangelical circles who do. I think there are those on, in more charismatic Pentecostal circles who may.

And I think the reason for that, and I'm not saying all charismatics are Pentecostals by any stretch, but I think that in some, especially more word of faith churches, they already have very low standards for whom they qualify as Christians and whom they don't.

And I even have personal stories along this line. I remember being at a Pentecostal church years ago, and there was a girl who was involved in the ministry there, and she had gotten pregnant out of wedlock.

And the way it was handled was she was exonerated because this was the devil. This was the work of the devil in her life, as if she had no responsibility in the matter, and she was still allowed to carry on with ministry and those kinds of things.

I'm not saying that's across the board for every Pentecostal church at all. I'm just saying that that kind of thing is a little more rare to have that kind of an obvious sin and to kind of hem and haw about it and come up with an excuse in more Orthodox, Protestant, conservative evangelical churches.

So, yeah, you might be able to find some people in those circles, but in general, no. I mean, Trump is, he's seen as someone who is going to be poisoned to the left more than anyone else. And he is going to, as he says, try to protect or maintain or preserve Christianity, cultural Christianity.

He wants people to say Merry Christmas. He doesn't want Transgender Day of Visibility on Easter, that kind of thing. So he, that's who he is. He's not someone though, who's directly our guy. And Evangelicals for Harris wants to make a big deal about this.

And of course, the curious thing to me though, is they want to promote Kamala Harris as if she's an exemplary Christian, which I'll show you in a moment. But that's one of their last, I guess, advertisements.

I debated playing another one, but we'd be here forever. There's too many videos to play. So let me show you, let's see, let me show you the organization that Evangelicals for Harris is actually under.

So they, so Evangelicals for Harris is not a 501C3 or C4 or an LLC or any of that. They are under a 501C4 themselves. And that 501C4 is called Faith Voters, Faith Voters. And if you go to Faith Voters, I don't know who funds them.

I looked, I tried to look into it and I'm not exactly sure with the amount of time I had, but they say that they're a diverse community of believers pursuing the common good and seeking to build a more perfect union.

Our nation thrives on its leaders, our people of good character, guided by core values of faith, integrity, and justice. As citizens and voters, we believe it is our responsibility to man that our leaders hold to those values.

So no one's going to disagree with any of this, right? This is all general enough that Republicans could see this. And I think this is part of actually the strategy. They do try to keep things as general as they can for appealing to your unassuming evangelical voter.

They quote scripture quite a bit, for he himself is our peace who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, which of course is about the law and Jews and Gentiles being one in Christ, but they apply it to America.

And they say our freedoms as Americans and children of God calls us to love and service. Americans are better served when building one another, loving thy neighbor and embracing the unity that comes with being free.

So, and they go on, but this is, you know, scripture taken out of context over and over. Live in harmony with one another, do not be proud, but enjoy the company of the lowly, do not be conceited. And they say in this, our purpose is not defined by a party acting justly may not fit into party lines, but the call remains the same nonetheless.

Our common goals should unite us, not just as a people of faith, but also as American citizens. The country was built around our values and the idea of a common good. And when, this is funny to me, cause they say when party identification causes us to lose sight of our fellow Americans, we must walk humbly, learn from one another and use our faith to investigate the motivations behind our politics.

But then if you go to our work, it says evangelicals for Harris right there. So they wanna play this third way type thing, which is the typical way that you get evangelical. You can't just go to an evangelical typically and say, you know, I'm far left and you should join me and let's go to the Democrat National Convention.

You have to ease them into it like the frog that boils. You have to give them grades of sliding into it. And so I think that's why you see the end campaign and our values for faith voters, sorry, faith voters and other organizations vote common good.

They do this thing where they try to say, we're not really for any party, but then you look and clearly they're trying to funnel you into the Democrats. And there's more that could be said here. They take the example of Christ and try to say that this should influence our policies, that he emptied himself, taking the form of a servant.

And of course, I guess that means Democrat policies are more in keeping with that because they wanna take your money and they wanna give it to various groups that may not even be victims, but they claim a victim status.

They have a scripture guide. They say, read our scripture guide, but if you click on it, it takes you to a blog with various issues. And here's one of them taking a biblical stance on immigration. So they wanna be biblical.

It's very interesting. They use that term a lot. So they know the language that appeals to evangelicals. And if you read the article, I'll just give you, they quote Leviticus 27, 19, which says that God's people were aliens in the land of Egypt.

The alien who resides with you shall be to you as a citizen among you. You shall love the alien as yourself for you are aliens in the land of Egypt. I am Lord your God. And I do not know what translation this is and where they got citizen from exactly, but I'm pretty sure this is a modern translation of some kind.

Cause I don't remember seeing that word when quoting Leviticus 27, but they of course use these kinds of things to then promote their migration or at least shift you from a more Republican or more conservative position to being more accommodating to looser immigration laws and that kind of thing.

It says loving my neighbor is about more than just the people next door to us. Immigrants can bring a lot of good to our society and scripture supports the view that welcoming the stranger is a Christian duty.

So again, it's general enough. You don't know exactly what that means. Like I could look at that sentence and I could say that there's points of agreement. In fact, you know, maybe if I framed it the way I would wanna frame it, I could say that I agree with the whole thing.

Of course, you know, loving your neighbor means the people that you're in proximity to and those might not always be the people next door. You do have people that travel and so of course, you know, on a personal level you obviously should be loving the people who are around you.

Immigrants can bring a lot of good to our society and it's possible. Of course, it doesn't deny the fact that they can also bring a lot of bad, right? And so you have to weigh those things and scripture supports the view that welcoming the stranger is a Christian duty.

Well, I would say, yeah, we welcoming someone who's in proximity to you, who's come across your path, the story of the good Samaritan, who is in need and they're different culturally than you. Of course, you should help them and welcome them.

But again, what does this have to do? You know, where is this trying to shift you? This is really pounding these things, emphasizing these things for the purpose of, in the beginning of the article, Donald Trump's rhetoric on the wall and immigration.

So, you know, it's saying that that's wrong. It's signaling to you that that's wrong. Donald Trump's wrong. And this is even the image here they use is someone's being kept out from America. And that's a bad thing.

That's a negative thing. That fence shouldn't be there. I guess everyone should have access to the United States. So this is the group that funds and is behind evangelicals for Harris. If you go to, well, this is a website, beta .canda .org and they supposedly can give you information, give you 990s.

There's no 990 for this organization. So I don't know what to tell you. It's in Great Falls, Virginia. I would love to know who's funding it, but alas, I do not. So back to evangelicals for Harris. And I'll take some questions after we talk about them and then we'll get into another organization.

But here's some posts that they made. And I should probably say the purpose of this, by the way, is not to be deceived by these people. That's really my aim in all of this. Don't be deceived by these people and what they're trying to pull on you.

But that's Democrats for Life. Let me go a little more forward. We'll come back to Democrats for Life. Here's evangelicals for Harris. And a few posts from them. First, you have a picture of evangelicals for Harris and a booth they have set up at the Democrat National Convention as I am talking.

Right now, you can go to Chicago, to the DNC, and you will find this banner. And it's a little surreal because you think outside they're giving free vasectomies and free abortions. Planned Parenthood's got their bus or whatever it is there and they're doing these operations.

And then you have evangelicals for Harris in the same coalition right there in, I don't know how many hundreds of feet, but they're not far. It says on the Twitter or X social media posts that they put out there, this is one of the things they say, at the core of our support here is the fact that living in a pluralist society means we're going to disagree with our neighbors, but as evangelicals, we know just to love them.

The Harris-Waltz ticket is pro-family and pro-America and we love that. And my first thought when I saw this was like how blatantly just surreal, how blatantly odd. Like, is there no shame? Is there no sense of self-awareness, self-reflection?

Do they not see who they're supporting? And their policies are obviously not pro-family. They're the, this is the party and Waltz is obviously a good example of this as the governor of Minnesota and the policies that he's pushed for transgenders or people who think of themselves that way.

They're the party that wants your daughter, if you have one, to be forced essentially to have to use a restroom that men are allowed to use in the schools. It's the party that wants parents to not have to be notified when their children want gender-affirming care of some kind in school or even an abortion for that matter.

This is the party that wants unlimited restrictions on abortions essentially. And you can have an organization that says they're evangelicals for Harris, just come at it so directly and so clearly say that it's pro-family and pro-America.

And you don't even know what to say in response to that other than do you even know what you're talking about? And of course they do, of course they do. They've convinced themselves that these policies actually aren't, they either downplayed them or they've thought that these might be actually positive.

And their speaker list, when they first announced that they were having a webinar to drum up support for this included a few people I've talked about on the podcast. And I wanted to mention this. So Ikemini Uwan was part of this and I have shared the story many times.

I know Trevor Loudon likes to share this story of Ikemini years ago at a crew event formerly Campus Crusade for Christ, telling all the students that Clip is actually in enemies within the church. I'm sure I've played it on the podcast but she's telling them that essentially God wants you to be a leftist.

She's for social justice. It's all about racial justice and what she's talking about but she wants you to be for reparations. And she's telling all these kids in crew. And then you have Dr. Jamar Tisby who was essentially very promoted in conservative evangelical circles most notably by Ligon Duncan in the PCA.

And he's even, I think had some, if I'm not mistaken I remember there was some interaction with Al Mohler at one point, but he was kind of like one of the racial justice guys in evangelicalism before 2020 to help evangelicals really navigate this issue.

And he wrote a book called The Color of Compromise which I've talked about. I've done podcasts on it. And I've talked about his book in my book, Christianity and Social Justice. You have Latasha Morrison.

I did a whole podcast on Latasha Morrison's book Be the Bridge. Every element of critical race theory is in that book. Blatantly so. And this is someone who also has spoken for crew. Lisa Sharon Harper.

I did a whole podcast. I think it might've been two podcasts on her book which was blatantly social justice and it gets the gospel wrong. Sandra Van Opstel right there. She's spoken at crew. She was the one that basically compared if I remember correctly in 2019, ICE agents to Nazis or Gestapo or something like that.

And she really thinks of the gospel in terms of social justice. You know, it's a social gospel essentially. Dwight McKissick is a Southern Baptist pastor. Raymond Chang, who we've talked about him in relation to the Asian American Christian Collective.

And they were very big on the COVID -19, you know, backlash Asians were getting backlash for this. And Christians evangelicals needed to stand up for anti-Asian racism. So, and Claude Alexander, I recognize the name.

I don't know if we've talked about him but these are just some of the names that when I saw this, I thought, wow, okay. So this actually is, like, you're used to seeing these groups where they have like fake evangelicals I like to say, like they, and I would maybe argue that these people are also fake evangelicals but it's more out there.

It's like an organization I'm about to show you called, well, maybe I should just show you now. We'll take this little side tangent and I'll show you this organization that these are the kinds of things that we're used to seeing.

So this is called Vote for, Vote of Common Good. Vote Common Good, I guess is the name of the organization. And Doug Padgett is the first name. He's the founder. And Doug Padgett is one of the founding fathers you could say of the emergent church.

So postmodern Christianity blatantly. So these guys were the first wave, you know this is before Shane Claiborne, there he is. Red letter Christians, you know, these guys are this is the sojourners crowd, right?

The Jim Wallace sojourners crowd right here. And of course, you know, if you go to, they have this series on Christian nationalism that, you know that's the threat really, I guess, is Christian nationalism.

And they talk to people like Catherine Stewart and Andrew Whitehead and Samuel Perry and Kristin Dumas. And so I consider those guys part of the sojourners crowd myself, to be honest even though there's overlap, they end up getting promoted by the Phil Bishers of the world.

And, you know, I think, you know Kristin Dumas is at Calvin college, I believe, but you know they're, they're out there. And so they, and they'll partner with these people. There was an article about them in 2019 and the title of it in the New Yorker was teaching Democrats to speak evangelical, you know very unashamed about what they're doing and very forthright with it.

You know, we are trying to get evangelicals rope them into the Democrat party. So I'm used to seeing this kind of thing. I definitely am, but I'm not used to seeing as much. This is maybe the first election cycle where I've seen this as blatant as it is a bunch of names that have been associated with organizations like crew and the gospel coalition and the Southern Baptist convention all they're promoting Kamala Harris.

And I think it's rich that this is also coinciding with the release of Megan Basham's book where she talks about this kind of thing. And you have all these people from the gospel coalition and the Southern Baptist convention saying that she's, she's lying.

She's deceptive in her tactics. She has the wrong associations. She she's this, she's that. And her thesis is playing out right before you with this organization, evangelicals for Harris. And I'm actually surprised.

I don't see CBD and Abuela here because I'm pretty sure he's also supporting Kamala Harris as he did Hillary Clinton in 2016. And the gospel coalition published his piece on that. Here's some of the, this is really the work that's happening though.

This is why an organization like this exists. Cause you might think, you know what evangelicals are going to join this? Well, it's effective. Even if you don't have evangelicals directly participating you have this kind of thing.

You have headlines from the USA Today. This next one is you got the Hill. You have MSNBC of the new Republic. And what are they saying? Evangelicals for Harris, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz ticket draws surprising support from these religious group by of course it's by Liam Adams at the Tennessee.

And of course it is, you know, he's I think he's one of the most instrumental journalists probably in trying to push evangelicals to the left through his reporting. But anyway, you know, they're carrying this at USA Today that, you know, this is, there's a surprising support.

And this is one of the reasons it's the one thing that does give me a little hope I suppose with the election is that I know that this is propaganda when I see it. I know it is because it's not like there's a groundswell of evangelicals who have joined this particular group but these stories I believe are aimed.

I think this is their purpose to create more of a groundswell to try to peel off. If they can just peel off a small percentage of evangelicals, they can turn the election. So it doesn't take a lot. So yeah, I think that this is, that's what's going on here.