November 27, 2020 Show with Dr. James R. White on “Should Christians Adopt the Leftist COVID-19 Protocol? (A Christian Response to Mask Hysteria)” AND John L. Cooper on “Awake & Alive to Truth”

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COVID-19 Protocols, Mask Mandates, and the Great Reset

And I'm so thrilled to have both a regular guest who has been on this program many times. In fact, he was my very first guest on the very first program, very first episode of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio back in 2005.

And he was also the very first guest when we relaunched in 2015. His name is Dr. James R. White, and he is the director of Alpha Omega Ministries. And during the first hour, we are going to be discussing, should Christians adopt the leftist COVID -19 protocol, a Christian response to mask hysteria?

And then the second hour, we're going to have a first-time guest. It happens to be a friend, a very good friend of Dr. James R. White's, John L. Cooper, who is lead vocalist, bassist, songwriter, and producer for the two-time Grammy Award nominated 12-time platinum band, Skillet.

And he's going to be discussing his new book, Awake and Alive to Truth. But first, it's great to have you back on the program. My dear friend, Dr. James R. White.

Well, first of all, Chris, you sound much better once you got started. James was worried that I was nasally before we went on the air, so it could be. Yes, I can imagine during that first debate at the Coral House in Baldwin,.

I can imagine that if John Cooper was in the audience, that you would somehow try to get my attention, wave me over and say, I think you better get security. There's a strange-looking guy in here. You better get him out of here.

Making me nervous.

Oh, yeah. Right, I remember.

In fact, I think there were always people at every single event they arranged for you. We're making you nervous for some reason. But we are discussing today something that is dividing the body of Christ.

In fact, it has actually split a church that is not far from where I am sitting. People are leaving churches because of this issue. People are getting very nasty in social media with each other. And people are vilifying and accusing one another for being careless with the lives of others.

I will repeat the theme. Should Christians adopt the leftist COVID -19 protocol? A Christian response to mask hysteria. Now, I know that you happen to be, and anybody that watches The Dividing Line knows that you are very opposed to mask mandates.

And in fact, I heard your description of your Thanksgiving celebration before it occurred. And you said, if you are invited over my home, you better not be wearing a mask, because the first thing that's going to be ripped off your face by me when you walk through the door is your mask.

I don't remember being quite that forward.

Yeah, you might want to ask Rich about that or watch the broadcast again.

I don't remember saying that.

Oh, yeah.

I did. They're not talking about cancer. They're not talking about tuberculosis. Not talking about meningitis. They're not talking about the other forms of influenza and so on. They're just talking about this one.

It's like it cured everything else. You don't die of anything else anymore. It's like, coming from, what is the purpose of all of this? And so...

Would that be a dominoes?

I could tell the audience.

But the Italian places were never dives. You've always enjoyed those.

No. In fact, my favorite...

All right. Merrick.

Healthy and meaningful exposure. Something at high altitude to do in the first place. And they're afraid then upon any type of serious studies. And more of them are coming out. You heard about the Danish mass study, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Preponderance of a bunch of studies came out. The government mandates. I called this back in April because I realized after that. Sad to have to tell you, but I'm pretty certain there will be a COVID -21 submit to this regular and mandates first started.

It always said. Now, of course, we recognize there are people who asthmatics and da, da, da, da, da. And if you have a medical reason, really, if you have a medical reason, what about you? That's in essence what has...

What a real honest... In very kids that aren't even expect age 20 in perfect health gets shot. A random person to identify cause of death. And it's... There's no comorbidity factors. But the vast majority of people who die from disease have multiple factors involved.

And so a dear friend of mine, his church got years of age for about 9 and them with or working together with.

In fact, we're going to have to pick up. We're going to pick up where you left off there because we have to get our first break. So just remember the cold morbidity factors will pick you up right there.

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Welcome back. And I'm not sure if you know this, Dr. James R. White, but that voice that you just heard of my client, Dr. Banu Gadi, who is a pharmacist in New York. He is a fellow elder along with your very dear friend, Doug McMasters at New Hyde Park Baptist Church.

And he has rescued, that is Banu Gadi, has rescued people that had all of the factors that made coronavirus serious, you know, overweight, diabetic, elderly. He has actually rescued some of these people off of their deathbeds in the hospital just through vitamin D3.

And it's amazing to me that the media hardly said anything at all about vitamin D3. They would mention it in passing, speaking perhaps of sunlight or something like that, but they would never really delve into that issue, even in the conservative media.

So it's just quite disturbing. But before the break, you were talking about how they elevate the actual numbers of COVID-related deaths in hospitals so that they can get extra government funding when these deaths, the person may have had COVID, but it really wasn't the cause of their death.

And if you could pick up where you left off there.

Yeah, well, I was on that. This has been absolutely unique in a nation that kills three out of four people it infects to someone else in here. Then we should have been masking in the 20th century. Tuberculosis or meningitis or diseases, way to quote-unquote love, or to say that I'm actually loving-nating my own.

We can now all fundamental impacts upon the freedom of the proclamation of the gospel, because we are seeing coronavirus together with what's called the Great Reset, which has to do with transgenderism and homosexuality and everything else in the process.

It is all a part of one movement. They are connected together. They cannot be disconnected from one another. And that does explain why that is not conspiracy theory. I came out this summer. He's the head of the World Economic Forum, WEF, fundamentally remake the economic situation of the entire world.

And I have yet to have anyone talk me out of this, no matter how hard they tried. Together with, for example, the transgender craze.

I'm familiar with it only through the dividing line.

This is not hidden in some places. This is not a conspiracy. Years ago, right now, Labor is actually giving them warning and helping them to protect their children. Especially, I don't know when you first heard me start saying it, but one of the first things on the agenda of a Biden-Harris administration, if that happens, maybe one of the very first things that's going to home and into the States.

They got rid of homeschooling many, many, many years ago.

The Caller’s Challenge About Staying Focused on Theology

Well, we do have a listener in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. Harrison, yes. In fact, that's where you were born, right? No, you lived there.

I was born in Minneapolis.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's where you were baptized in Mechanicsburg.

If that's Camp Hill and Mechanicsburg.

It's actually in Charmantown. It's in Charmantown, which is right next to Mechanicsburg.

Charmantown, right. Charmantown and Camp Hill, those are the two.

Okay. Well, Harrison says, I want you to keep in mind that I am not saying this, but how do you respond to people who would say, Dr. White, you're a brilliant theologian. You are a New Testament Greek scholar.

You know so much that can be of such great benefit to the body of Christ. Don't you think that you should not be preoccupying your time with things outside of the gospel, theology, and doctrine? And we have to go to our midway break.

I know that you are going to stick around for a little bit longer when we have John Cooper on during the second hour, who is the lead singer, bassist, producer of Skillet, an award-winning rock band who has also written a new book that we are going to be addressing today.

And I am looking forward to it, especially after hearing Dr. White's glowing commendation of it, awake and alive to truth, finding truth in the chaos of a relativistic world. But we'll be right back after these messages.

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Am I right? Has John joined us? Oh, it's great to have you on the program for the very first time, brother. And I know that you're probably very pleased to know that our friend James White is still on the line with us.

So he'll be with us for a part of the program anyway.

I am worried if it's going to be something that holds up too much of John's time because I know he has these long pre-memorized speeches that he gives for his book. No, he doesn't. He said about Mark Rubio, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, but no. Hours on end at high altitudes. So I'm not sure if that made it better. The oxygen deprivation. Because he was converted to very young age. Background there. Years ago, when great debate series we did on Long Island.

We did it for 10 years. Reformed Baptist type guy. That John probably would never have crossed Chris's mind. I've certainly relaxed a good bit over the years.

And to give you an idea, John, Jerry Lewis once called James White a nerd. That just kind of gives you an idea.

That tracked John down because I saw the comments he made. We've had a great time talking about what he's been trying to. And of course, I've become 10 Ks a few days ago listening to Skillet. So I do recommend that to anyone.

If you want a high-paced workout, listen to Skillet. You'll be pushed along common sense. And let's not get lost in the woods. Which sometimes people like me, we can sort of get lost in the woods. But John comes along and says, so what you're saying is this, right?

Yeah. Okay.

Then why didn't you say that? 430 nights. That's cool. Yeah, it's been fun. We are an unlikely duo. I'm not going to teach it necessarily. No nonsense. I think that our culture has gotten so far in helping.

Or maybe on the fringe of a little part to say, hey, it doesn't need to be that complicated. Let's do what pleases God.

Skillet, Christian Music, and John Cooper’s Testimony

And if we could, for our listeners who may be totally unfamiliar with Skillet. And by the way, since you're on my program today, we're going to have to rename it Iron Skillet for Iron Sharpens Iron. But tell us about Skillet and what our listeners should know about that.

I know that there are Christian musicians that are recording artists. And their recordings are not necessarily Christian, even though they are Christian. They're not explicitly biblical lyrics and so on.

Although they would not be if they were obviously a true disciple of Christ. They wouldn't be anti-scriptural, anti-God. Or they wouldn't be perverse or anything that would be displeasing of God. But nonetheless, they are still secular artists.

And then they have, obviously, there is a huge world of Christian recording artists who make sure that all of their lyrics are specifically things that are gospel-oriented and so on. So where would Skillet fall into the wide spectrum of music that exists that Christians are involved in?

Well, I guess the first thing...

And I've interviewed Pete Orta, by the way. Fascinating interview.

Oh, really?

He was one of the guitar players for Petra over the years. And he actually admitted on my program for the first time that he was not even a born-again believer when he was with Petra. He became a Christian later on in his life.

Wow. Seeing about my family, people proclaimed that that touring life in the secular rock world...

And if you could, we have a tradition here on the program, and we have a first-time guest. We have that guest give a summary of their testimony, their salvation testimony, what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

And James already hinted at it a little bit before. If you could give us a little bit more detail on your upbringing, and obviously not every child in a Christian home is a Christian from the womb. And so tell us something about your own story.

Sure.

My mom was about the Bible. I'm one of those kids, sometimes I tell these stories while they're listening, and my mom would do these like... Each one, every letter would be another Bible scripture, and we had to memorize eight.

Mom taught me about the Lord backsliding period, or that, you know, a lot of times people get older, and they go, well, I never really understood what I was doing when I was a kid, and now I really want to give my life to Christ.

That wasn't my testimony. I just, honestly, God's been great to me since I was a kid, but I always need the parents to know that you teach your kids about a great God, and it matters that you teach your kids.

God taught me that, ever so thankful for that. So anyway, I got baptized after that.

How did you get involved in the hard rock music world? Oh, yeah.

Oh, actually, you know what? That's actually a pretty funny thing about my testimony. My mom was a piano teacher, a flute teacher. My mom made me take piano. She made me take voice lessons. So when I was five years old, I was at her house, she said, I hear this, and TV, he's like, it's music videos, and I didn't know what he meant.

So he turned on this thing for Michael Jackson, and I came home, and I was like, mom, you know, I heard music. I know you love music, and feed it to my mom. And my mom gave me all of my friends, and I was excited.

I was like, mom, guess what? There's Christian rock, man. It was easy. I mean, I would have been better off bringing home Iron Maiden before she passed away, wouldn't let me go. And I think my mom was having that, and I died.

This is, my mom made a deal with me. She said, all right, you can't go with your friends. I'll buy tickets, but they sacrifice satanic, and we'll go, this is a true story. We got in a call.

I have my own Petra story. I was dating a girl when I was a brand new Christian, and it wasn't really a very serious relationship, but we would date off and on. And I purchased tickets to a Petra concert for the both of us, and I hadn't spoken to her for maybe a month or so.

And I got a call one day, and she said, Chris, I've got some news. I'm engaged to be married now, but my second thing I wanted to say is, can I still go to the Petra concert with you? I don't know if James is familiar with Jerry Marcellino.

He's a very well-known Reformed Baptist, pastor of Audubon Drive Bible Church in Laurel, Mississippi. You know him, James?

Yeah.

Well, his father was the producer for many Michael Jackson albums and other very, very popular groups back in the day. So that just occurred to me when you had mentioned that one of your first experiences listening to music in that genre was Michael Jackson.

Did you say it was thriller, or was it... But beat it, right? On earth, other than the providence of God, how did you and James even get into contact with each other, James White?

Well, you know, I guess we need to get back to basics. We need to get back to this as quickly as we can, and I forget exactly how to make it clear.

Well, why did that even come up, James? Is this some kind of inside joke, the flute thing? I actually heard a... I interviewed a pastor years ago who actually thought that playing the flute was a sign of an effeminate man.

Yeah, that was 99 ad lib, all of that. But that was a good debate between two good friends. Yeah, it was. And who still remain friends, ironically. But very often when people are debating each other, they're not friends, but this is one of the cases that they were and are.

And this, obviously, the Pato Baptist issue should not be a reason why we cut fellowship off from brothers and sisters in Christ. But you have written this book, John, that James here, James White, has raved about, which was one of the compelling factors, actually, that drove me to get into contact with you and to get you on the program.

Awake and Alive to Truth and Living Faithfully in a Relativistic World

Alive, or should I say, awake and alive to truth. And the subtitle, Finding Truth in the Chaos of a Relativistic World. Is this your first book that you've written?

Yes, it is. You know, when you meet a fan whose, you know, life was changed. I think what happened for me was around 2012, 2013, and after you've been in church for three decades, you can write about this.

Even people in the Christian community, I started feeling very alone around the poor Christian. I wouldn't be sure if they were even saved, or maybe they were more like universalist, or else they just felt like they are not actualized, either, to things black and white.

Do you don't believe that anybody in the Christian community, are you? Do you really? I think he was like, yeah, come on, we're all doing it. And I said, no, that's actually not the case. That is the reason that I see these teenagers, but not true for me.

We do have some listener questions lined up. There are folks waiting to have their questions answered by you that have come by email. And by the way, if anybody else wants to join them, if you want to get in line, our email address again is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA. Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And it just so happens that our first question is an anonymous listener. And the listener says, John, how do you feel about music like yours that you record with skillet being used in a church service?

To be perfectly honest, brother, although I love the genre of music that you are in and listen to it for entertainment purposes and recreation purposes, and even to be edified, but at the same time, I don't feel comfortable hearing that kind of music in a worship service.

And I have a pastor who believes I shouldn't be listening to that kind of music at all. I disagree with him on that, but would agree that it's not appropriate for worship service. And I was wondering how you feel about that.

I grew up in a... I would agree per song not to be... For me, I would love... We should be singing, but for me... Now, I'm not saying that we don't have any songs that could work. We may have one or two.

Yeah, we may have one or two.

Sure.

Oh, yeah, I love that song.

Yeah, tell that to the Rolling Stones, James.

Yeah, it's his ex-girlfriend. I think I'm ready to say...

Want to let our listeners know again that you can get in contact with James White and find out about everything he's doing at AOMIN .org. A-O-M-I-N .org. That's for Alpha and Omega Ministries. And there are a number of questions that we never got to ask you from listeners during the first hour because it went by like a bullet.