Sheriff Richard Mack: Return of the Constitutional Sheriffs under Trump! DMW#252

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We had Sheriff Richard Mack return He was on about a year ago and he is infamous for being a sheriff in Phoenix Challenging the federal government on the

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So Yeah, the episode was good with Sheriff Richard Mack. I mean, he's been famous and infamous for decades and we had him back on the show

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And he was talking about his organization cspoa .org Which that is also in the link below too if you want more information on that And what he's doing as a past sheriff talking to sheriffs local boards

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County Commissioners talking about states rights we got into the border issue a little bit and what we can do as Citizens of the

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United States that are just looking we got a regular nine -to -fives, you know We got a family to take care of we got work all these things

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Church What can we do about the border? You know, we just don't want to leave it in the hands of a

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Trump administration Yes, that's great that we Have Trump coming to office and sheriff

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Mack made the point of making sure he gets to office Let's not forget we had assassination attempts twice on President -elect

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Trump so make sure he gets there and then what we can do is people regular normal citizens to help

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You know tamper down the tyranny of the federal government and make sure locals and states have their rights upheld

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So it was a very good conversation. I think it only went about 30 minutes, which is just perfect We went over some of those things.

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I think you guys are really gonna enjoy the episode I know I did any time I talked to Sheriff Mack I get fired up because he is just out there in the grind doing the hard work rallying the counties and the sheriffs and the commissioners and the

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Supervisors and the trustees and the board members at the local level going look at it's really all about us

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Government is strongest at its local level. We don't need federal bureaucracy and charity from from the top down we need

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Constitutional laws from the ground up from the locals up. So that's what we talked about more of a political episode

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But one that I found very informative and exciting and fun to talk about so the next voices you'll hear it will be me and Sheriff Richard Mack talking about those subjects.

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Here we go. Well sheriff Richard Mack Welcome back to the dead men walking podcast. Good to have you back on again Well, thanks

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Greg, it's great to be with you remind me why it's called dead men walking so it's dead men walking

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It's based in Ephesians 2 we are ones dead in our trespasses and sin, but now alive in Christ.

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So we talk about theology doctrine culture politics So as a scriptural reference, but believe me

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I get a lot of people going. Are you a zombie podcast? What are you? So just a reminder that we're all dead in our trespasses and sins but alive in Christ and So back again, welcome back for those who didn't

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Kind of get to meet you the first time last year when you were on. Can you give us a little origin story of? Richard Mack and what you're all about Well, yes,

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I was in law enforcement about 20 years. I Did everything imaginable in law enforcement?

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I started in Provo, Utah And I am I was actually trying to get the FBI wanted to follow my dad's footsteps

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He retired in the beer from the bureau back in the 70s And I'm so grateful that fate took me in a different direction it just wasn't meant to be and I stayed on with the

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Provo Police Department for eleven and a half years and then my wife's parents had an epiphany and they decided that I was supposed to move home to Arizona where both my wife and I were from and Run for Graham County Sheriff in my hometown and I said they were crazy

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My wife said for them to leave me alone that we weren't doing it we were perfectly happy where we were and then my wife and I had the same epiphany and We picked up and moved home to Arizona ran for sheriff miraculously won and then miraculously won reelection in 1992 and Then in 1994

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I became the first sheriff in American history To launch a major lawsuit against the federal government to stop their overreach and to fight against the gun control

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Known as the Brady Bill Brady Bill movement There were five Brady Bills scheduled to be passed one year after another until the

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Second Amendment was completely destroyed So six other sheriffs joined me in that lawsuit

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Sheriff Prince and I ended up at the Supreme Court in December of 1996 and Justice Scalia writing for the majority gave one of the most powerful rulings in the history of our country and without question the most powerful

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Tenth Amendment decision in the history of America and This is a copy of the decision

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That I have put together What I did just so all your listeners and supporters and members

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Know that this is the most powerful book you could have in your pocket If it's it's very small, but you get them at cspoa .org.

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Sorry. Let me slow down CS POA stands for Constitutional Sheriffs Peace Officers Association CSPOA .org

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and order my other books. I have about seven or eight books But this is the most powerful book you can have.

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It's the cheapest one. It's where we don't make any off of this This is so America can see what the federal government can and cannot do the most powerful state

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Sovereignty local autonomy case in the history of America and one real quick quote

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Justice Scalia quoted the New York decision of 1992 in this decision and he said we have held however

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We have held however that state legislatures are not subject to federal direction and Quote, they're not our boss the states formed the federal government not the other way around and The states have now got to exercise their authority to keep the federal government in its proper lane of jurisdiction and so that's where we are today and this decision

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Gives us gives all of us credibility and you want to pass these around to your local public officials

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Especially your sheriff chief of police City Council County Commissioners. Make sure you get one to the county attorney

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But these are available and they're very inexpensive. They're three for five dollars and and By while you're there join

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The CSPO a posse which is all about helping you work with your sheriff and joining his posse

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Well, we'll make sure that we link that up to so any of you guys that are watching this or listening to this

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You can just click in the link below and it'll take you right to that pamphlet in that book that Sheriff Mac held up I think this is an important discussion and really something that a lot of Americans don't understand the value of states rights

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And actually the value of having locally elected officials and sheriffs that aren't authoritarian

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But understand states rights as well, too And unfortunately,

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I would say the majority of Americans don't really understand it We don't really talk about it too much and it's really been eroded by the federal government

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I think you would agree what I've seen when I'm working in my state capital is that it's that it's

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That we we give up our power as states to the federal government Because laws have been written in such a way to where we want to get some of that tax revenue back

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Yeah, where a lot of states are giver states and in roads and infrastructure and things like that For every dollar we give the federal government they give back 96 cents to us and then they decide where the other four cents is gonna go around the country and there's all

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These things where the federal government says, yeah, we don't have the power But if you don't do this, we won't fund that and the state's kind of give it up And really

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I think that goes back a little bit. I'd like your opinion on this Richard It really goes back to to federal

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Congress making laws that erode states rights as well, too And the stage is kind of laying down and taking Not just eroding but almost entirely demolished

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Yeah Well, let's let's go to Scalia on this decision. He addresses that that topic that you just brought up.

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Let's see what he says federal grants The government points to a number of federal statutes

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Enacted within the past few decades that required the participation of state and local officials in implementing federal

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Regulatory schemes. Oh, they're schemes. All right, right. Some of these are connected to federal funding measures

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And can and can perhaps be more accurately described as conditions upon the grant of federal funding

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Than as mandates to the states So yeah there these are just conditions upon which we can get some of our money back and I'm telling every governor and state legislature in this country it's really stupid to allow this the federal government to come in and steal all our money and Then promise to send us back two or three percent.

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You said four percent. Yeah. Okay. Let's say it's five percent It's not that it's not usually that high

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But the federal government has no authority to do that and all this is is a legalized bribery system that they've established and Quite honestly, there's no such thing as a legal bribe

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Yeah, and I was just saying just in for instance for roads. That's one of the highest paying we get back

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So for every dollar we send in we get back 95 or 96 cents just for roads. You got to realize there's education

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There's infrastructure. There's all these different things on education. We get back about 4 %

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There you go What I have a real problem with too is not only are they taking the revenues from the states and locals?

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But then they're just moving decimals in a computer and printing money and I say that facetiously. They don't even print it anymore, right?

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They just create it out of thin air You know famously under Joe Biden the ARPA funds if anyone's familiar with that.

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He said, oh, we're gonna do this infrastructure thing It's gonna be great. It's the anti -inflation bill They just created a couple hundred billions of dollars and then went to the states into the counties and I had to deal with This I said, oh

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Monroe County in Michigan. You want your 29 million dollars? Here's what you have to do with it, right? and then they stipulate or mandate and say if you want some of your money back and also this

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Created fiat money that's gonna kill you in inflation This is what you have to do with it And it's it's really a crooked shell game is what it is and we have very few states that will actually stand up and say well, no that's wrong and two we have sovereignty we have autonomy and Not only are we not going to feed into that money game

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But we're not gonna accept anything from you or the mandates that come with it and then once states start doing that and then you

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Have elected officials like sheriff said understand their authority, right? a lot of authority and they just you know, once they get position take the

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Kind of the big government side of things. I would say I've met some sheriffs that you know

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You you would think they're the director of the FBI Once they come into office and kind of take this authoritarian stance.

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It's a real difficult Game that we're playing we need more guys like you sheriff's that understand states rights that rule with Sovereignty, but also not authoritarian but but more libertarian

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I would say right exactly Very much so the Constitution is very libertarian

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Yeah, so what we have now, let's shift gears here a little bit because we are airing this, you know about a month after a

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Trump re -election we have a border crisis And in anyone who says we don't has never

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Visited the southern border. It is absolutely horrendous and everything you're talking about states rights being eroded under Biden you had

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You know state saying well we're going to do something about it then the federal government coming back and saying you better not

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Uphold your laws or even federal laws or we're gonna start jailing and arresting some of the ice members some of the local deputy sheriffs and things like that actually

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Threatening them with jail for just upholding laws that are already on the books, which just blew my mind

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And it didn't get that much coverage in mainstream media We know mainstream media has an agenda obviously and doesn't report on certain things.

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So do you see anything shifting? Under a Trump administration. Do you see anything getting any better or any laws being enforced or what's your thoughts in general on the border?

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Situation over the last four six ten even twelve years Well, yes,

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I've during that time. I've been down to the border several times. It's it's only an hour and a half hour 15 -minute drive from where I live and where I was sheriff now.

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I live in the Phoenix area, but yeah, the the border when

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Reagan Granted amnesty to three million illegal aliens It didn't seem to be that big of a deal back then

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But it set a precedent that was a big deal and it was a huge mistake. He shouldn't have done it and and they

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I'm all for work Border crossing work programs, but it's got to be it's got to be handled properly where the people go home and that they're not citizens and they do not get

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Social Security checks and they do not get free housing and and and Free food and and all these freebies from the government.

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The government has got to stop the freebies You can't say don't come here But when you do we'll give you a free housing free health care free free free free all these freebies

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That's ridiculous. It's stupid and the taxpayers of this country have no

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Responsibility to pay for them if they want to come here and work then their work is is how they stay afloat and That they send money back to to their families.

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That's fine But they need to go when the work is done seasonal work They go back and they want to keep coming across but they've ruined that now the

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Biden administration The Obama administration has ruined all of that. So now we have a

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Frankenstein monster that is now turning on us Destroying our country from within because now this is allowed terrorists cartels and the worst enemies of America to infiltrate our country and the

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Democrat Party was more than willing to have that happen and to risk national security

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For the increased voter rolls that these Illegal aliens have provided them but what it has done.

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Also, it is allowed to cartels to set up shop here. It has allowed international Terrorists to set up shop here.

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Yes from the Middle East CCP dissidents are here Russian dissidents are here and they're ready to attack us from within and Anybody who thinks they're not is just ridiculously stupid or you're selling something because this is this is obvious what they're planning and what they're going to do these these groups that hate

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America are Planning to do something. Are they planning to do something before Trump?

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takes office January 8th when they count the votes or January 20th when he gets sworn in This is not a good scenario

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This is not a peaceful scenario This is not one where any of us should be complacent or saying.

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Hey, yeah, Trump's got this now we've got to do work with him and the CSPOA is putting it out that every sheriff needs to cooperate with and voluntarily assist

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The new Trump administration and Tom Homan in Identifying the people that need to be sent home and the sheriff's know the counties better than any other person on the face of the planet and so the

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Military, which is its only responsibility would be allowed at the border

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That's the only place they lawfully can go so send the military to the border

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Have them stop the bleeding and stop the illegal immigration and then have posse's and sheriffs

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Go and identify and help round them up. Yeah, so I don't know why this is so hard for half of the voting population to understand if I'm a if I'm a bad actor if I'm a bad guy and I go

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I want to cause harm to A country and I look at and I look at their sovereign borders And then

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I see a huge gaping hole a porous area where I can easily get through I don't care what country

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I'm from. That's the way I'm going in Mexico has pretty lax immigration anyway So let's say

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I'm from the Middle East or anywhere else Asia China, right? I would enter through that southern border and that's of course

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That's pretty simple logic to me if I'm a bad guy, right? I didn't tell me like me can they have that out?

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There's much smarter evil people that that would go Okay, this is where we go and the cartels have helped them

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And why not right there's probably monetary benefit, you know Benefits there and whatever deals have worked out.

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So we have this huge issue And I think that was really a referendum on why Trump won and won and all those swing states, right?

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that were even the ones close to the border that they said oh he would never win because it's racist and misogynist and sexist and neo -nazi and every adjective that they can think of right for just Really rule of law, right and I would say you and I probably agree that we are not against legal immigration

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Coming through the border the correct way taking the citizenship test having a background check, right all those things

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I think those are good things for for the United States But illegal aliens here breaking the law committing crimes and obviously planning terrorist attacks

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We don't want but yet we have Half of the nation that seems to think that it's not an issue or they can't see the issue with it

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And I'm hoping that under a Trump administration we can at least sway some more people to understand the dire need we have in immigration and Organizations like yourself which are rallying our locally elected sheriffs

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That do have a lot of authority I know we spoke about it a little bit on the on the last time you were on and that was some time ago

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But just to reiterate, you know as a County Commissioner myself I understand the ultimate authority that a sheriff holds and the way in most state constitutions.

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It's written They do have authority to enforce laws and even supersede the authority of Federal agents in their jurisdiction

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Because of state laws and I fear I've talked to sheriffs that don't even really understand that Unfortunately, and I'm guessing you kind of go over that in your organization as well of them under we provide the training

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Yeah, we provide the training that the sheriff's need about that and we train them on the Bill of Rights But we train them on this case and we train them on the oath of office

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I'll bet you 90 % of the sheriff's and public officials in this country. Don't even know why they swear an oath of allegiance to the

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Constitution and And it's actually in required in article 6 of the US Constitution Most of them don't know that most of them have not read the

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Constitution Most of them don't know what the role of the sheriff and peace officers are

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When it comes to preserving our constitutional Republic Most of them don't even know that we are a republic.

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So it we've got a lot of work to do to try to Make have the people the people have got to understand this too because they are the only boss the sheriff has

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Yeah, folks. Did you understand that? The county commissioners are not the boss of your sheriff

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They work out the Commission with they work out the budget the commissioners work out the budget with your sheriff

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But they're not his boss. He doesn't report to them. The county attorney is not his boss. He's a legal advisor

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He can take his advice or tell him to shove it There's one person he reports to and that's the voters of his

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County and he is the ultimate authority to tell the federal Government when and how they can come into his

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County and they have very limited authority yeah, when it comes to law enforcement across this country, and so I you know,

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I Just want people to know what government is for and why we have government officials

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And the federal government has gotten way out of control and it's a bureaucratic nightmare in Washington, DC That is oppressing the people look at the crimes that the

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FBI has committed the last 10 years Look at the IRS Abuses and crimes that they have committed that now the

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FDA and the DEA and all the other bureaucracies in Washington DC are following suit and Somebody has got to stop this and somebody has got to help with the deportation and that would be the sheriffs working with The Trump administration to get our truck our country back on track

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Yeah So you bring up the FBI which I want to ask you about this because I'm in a unique position

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To where I have the utmost respect for authority when I was younger I wasn't allowed to call police officer cops.

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My dad would correct me and go you call them police officer I never thought that was a bad term or derogatory in any way.

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No, but he said I know some people Just make make people do that. Well, he just said look at if they want to call each other cops, that's fine

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But you're going to address them as police officer because there's officers and you know And so I had this instilled in me at a young age that yes, you can question authority

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But you also respect it, you know, even biblically from where I believe I believe that The Lord institutes civil governments to bring justice to evildoers and to protect the righteous which is

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I think a good calling For police officers, so but I also look at things and I go and I wonder if you're in the same situation

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Richard That's why I'm gonna ask this is you you were a constitutional sheriff. You're in law enforcement

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Do you look at some of these agencies like the FBI and go? Yeah There needs to be reform there because unfortunately sometimes

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I think if you're in law You can kind of sometimes tow a line right and it happens in all professions like it's us versus them

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If I step out and say something against this agency Then it looks like I'm betraying all my brothers in blue or you know, whatever color of stripe you want to put on the flag

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Where do you land on that? Do you look at the FBI now go? Yeah, there needs to be some type of reform Are we okay with it?

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Or what would you do as a constitutional with it at all? My dad would be turning over in his grave

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There's there's far too much dishonesty, there's far too much the FBI is getting politicized

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They need to be fair and open and they're not And they lied about the

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Russian hoax. They lied about the hunter Biden computer laptop They got involved in this they tried to help the

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Biden the Biden campaign. They tried to help hunter Biden because of that They've gotten him way too big

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Gary Aldrich a former FBI agent wrote a book about 25 30 years ago that described how the

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FBI was used as political hitman It happened during the Nixon administration big time that he pitted the

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CIA against the FBI and They go too many presidents have used the

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IRS especially to go after their political enemies And these agencies are rogue they're criminal they're way out of line and Quite honestly,

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I would I would actually prefer Abolishing the FBI and starting completely over as to what the federal government has authority to do

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CIA is another one that needs to be completely undone and revamped and reorganized

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Because they have gotten to where they answer only to themselves IRS same thing if we could abolish the

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IRS week, that would be very easy if Congress would make the income tax and we can argue about whether there should be a federal income tax

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Which Trump is that actually more than just hinted that we need to get rid of we do But let's just keep it that if we were if Congress was honest and fair with the

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American people There would be the tax would be on a Postcard it would fit on a postcard yet.

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They have 77 ,000 pages of their IRS Income tax code it is crazy and it just gives them power over us and Control over us which they should not have and do not have lawfully.

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So make the tax code simple You read on the postcard. This is what the if this is what you made.

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This is what you pay And it'd be graduating up to the richer people and no one would pay over 12 %

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No one no one would pay over 12 % and if it was fair and honest

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But no, they won't be and so the Republicans have had their chance to defund Planned Parenthood before they didn't do it

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They've never revamped or brought in the IRS. So folks If if the

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Trump administration doesn't take care of defunding Planned Parenthood Abolishing the

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IRS getting rid of the criminals in Washington DC, then I'm gonna say

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Why did we change is this just the pendulum swinging back and forth and nothing ever happens?

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I believe in Trump and I believe that he wants to do what's right, but We've been in this place before and I want to make sure that we really get back to our constitutional principles

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Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's funny. I heard someone tell me, you know with all the Primary and secondary taxes that you pay and there are a lot of secondary right hunting licenses car registration

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These are all you know speeding tickets for one Yeah, property tax death tax real estate tax sales tax taxation through citation.

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You brought that up. I call that's what I call it Citations are just taxes. Yeah Well, it's like you pay about 50 %

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When it's all added up and I heard a preacher say once God only asked for 10 the government the federal government wants a man

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Amen You know, I'm open I'm open to like a flat tax or it could be progressive but it would have to be like you said that 12 % or less

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I'd even like to see eight or nine and then make it up on a VAT tax or something because an income tax really is

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A form of economic slavery. I've had this argument my more liberal friends They said if I work if you work for me and I take a hundred percent of your wages you'd call that slavery, right?

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They go. Yeah, I said, well, what if I did 99 % and gave you 1 % that's it So what number does an income tax not become a form of slavery and they really can't tell you?

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I know they've done a lot of studies and they show anything taxed over 32 % Production goes down by about 50 % because people go.

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Well, why should I work so hard? So they really found that the sweet spot and I can't remember the name. It was a husband -and -wife

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Economist they did a study out of California no less and they found about 12 % is where?

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where Productivity and taxation is in balance. That's that seems to be the human nature 10 12 13 percent

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After that people start slowing down on productivity productivity because they go. Well, the government's gonna take the money

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Anyway, I don't need to work for that bonus. It's gonna get taxed Right. So yeah, we could talk tax policy all day, but I think that goes to a larger stories

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American if it destroys human initiative Yeah, and that's really the problem with socialism and communism and it's really crazy to me

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You go back to the Obama administration when I was at Lois Lerner who was targeting conservatives on the

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IRS and then when she was brought in to talk about it She she raised her right arm and swore to because she was being questioned by Congress.

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She pleaded the Fifth Amendment Said nothing. So she said

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I haven't done anything wrong. I plead the fifth and she retired. Yeah Well, you know

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I think that's part of the referendum on what happened here in 2024 to is a lot of people woke up to the fact that yes, we're being lied to in the media

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Yes, our government officials and bureaucrats don't don't care. They lie. They do deals.

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They do all this stuff That's it's a very seedy place, Washington DC and unfortunately a lot of state capitals

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I I've always found that the more local you go one

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You have a little more control and two you have a little more accountability by the voters, which is why I like Organizations like yours going we need to get to the sheriff's we need to get to the county commissioners

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We need to get to the supervisors and trustees the ones that are actually Making and you know making these

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Resolutions or ordinances or laws however, you want to phrase it at the local level One thing

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I do like about Trump and this will go along with what you're saying Richard I was at the White House in 2017 and 18

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One of 50 County Commissioners both times that were invited down by Trump and he sat down with us

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He was only there for about 15 minutes, but for eight hours. We sat with his Department of Energy Homeland Security his interior

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Secretary of Interior about eight or nine guys and they just grilled us and they said what are we doing at the federal government?

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That is hindering the locals or what are you guys doing at the local level that could help us at the federal level to let?

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You guys do what you do and get out of our way. That was two years in a row No president has ever done it before or since and I looked at that and I went okay

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Well, here's at least an administration that kind of understands what the grassroots have been talking about guys like you and me going

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Yeah, we have this huge autonomous federal government that bears down tyranny on the locals and you know trickle down to it

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And here's a president that takes time with his secretaries to go. What can we do to get out of your way?

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What are we doing wrong? What regulations do we need to remove and let's not forget in 2017 Trump's administration got rid of more regulation than any other president before or sense

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And I think that really helped with the economy boom in 17 18 and 19 Obviously 2020 hit and kovat hit and there were some different things there and we can argue on what we agree and disagree with Trump But my point is is he had this side his administration had this idea of hmm

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It is important to sit down with the locally elected. There were sheriffs their township supervisors their county commissioners there.

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I Don't think people understand how important that is at the local level to to make change within the local level

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And that's an outgrowth of then how we can reflect the state and federal levels, which it sounds like Is what your organization is doing?

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Yeah, that's part of what we're about No, no question and it it's that the sheriff's and county commissioners need to establish

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Some safeguards and make sure that the federal government is obeying and following these and it's called the

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Constitution What if what if your county? made a resolution

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Senate to the White House and Congress and and local authorities in your state and county and said

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The Constitution Specifically the Bill of Rights will be enforced by the sheriff's office in this county strictly

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Who does that hurt? The only person that hurts is a tyrant. The only person that hurts is somebody so arrogant in their own position and Narcissistic in their own position you can't tell me what to do.

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I'm with the federal government You're nothing you were meant to be nothing very limited the federal government only has very limited authority and powers and That's right out of my case

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Scalia said that only quoting the fed the the

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Constitution's conferral upon Congress of not all governmental powers, but only discrete enumerated ones

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That's in this case folks. You've got to get this book You've got to see what this did for America what it did for federalism and the division of powers

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Between the states of the federal government. It says in here that the federal government that the

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Constitution established a system of dual sovereignty that the states could have dual sovereignty with the federal government and they share the supremacy and That needs to be remembered and nobody teaches that anymore.

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All the federal government is just in charge of everything They're not But if we let them they're going to be and we've got to take that back and folks

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You have to be in the involved in the process just like Greg said We can change all of this at the local level.

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You can't go to Washington DC and change very much I think maybe now with what you were saying because Trump is open

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I know the meetings he had with local officials, especially sheriffs Three or four times while he he was president folks

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There is a solution and it's county by county We must restore the

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Constitution The Bill of Rights must be the sanctuary your county must be the sanctuary for the

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Bill of Rights because it protects the civil rights of all people and Freedom is for everyone of all races creeds colors nationalities

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It doesn't matter freedom is for everyone and Washington DC Just does not get that we hope that that change is on the horizon

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Okay, I absolutely agree. So as we wrap this up here, let's say we have a listener out there

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They they've went to see is it CSPOA? Yes Org that org

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CSPOA org they've gotten the book. They've gotten the material they go. Okay I'm on board

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Trump won, but we need to keep fighting for states rights and for local autonomy What are some practical things that the average

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American can do to help further that cause? First of all, you want to go have a conversation with your sheriff and and your county commissioners but start with your sheriff and ask him if he's a constitutional sheriff ask him what he would do if If Kamala had got elected and they started confiscating guns

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Obviously Trump is not going to do that now, so we don't have to worry about that. What maybe

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For four four years if they still allow Trump to get in folks

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There's still a lot to do before Trump actually gets in one is the certification of the vote on January 8th

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Okay then it's He's got ignore Inauguration day and I sure hope that they have him covered and secured very well

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Yeah, how quickly we forget to assassination attempts on the exact trail and what in the very first one some very fuzzy

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Facts surrounding it and we really Obviously, we can't trust the federal government to take care of the president

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You know, so folks you've got to be involved in the process and it doesn't take that long

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But go talk to your county commissioners We have the we can help you with all of this be part of our posse and we can help you work in your area with your posse or with your county commissioners and make your your county a constitutional sanctuary and and list the

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Bill of Rights as the supreme law of your county and That they will be enforced and you and you get your sheriff and county commissioners to send that notice

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To all federal bureaucracies and all state bureaucracies in Michigan You would have quite a bit of work to do that, but you don't need your state's permission to become constitutional and to be focused on civil rights for everyone and this is a peaceful and effective process to take back our individual freedoms and liberties and so start with your sheriff start with your county commissioner and Folks, we already have the templates for all of this.

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We already are doing it. We're going all over, Florida making constitutional counties Virginia did a hundred and six

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Sanctuary counties for the Second Amendment All we ask is that they take that to the next level and say not just the

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Second Amendment But all the amendments especially the first ten which are the

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Bill of Rights. So let's restore Liberty county by county Yeah, oh that that's so good.

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I think I'm gonna steal that saying you don't need the state's permission to be constitutional

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That's a great. That's a t -shirt right there All right, Sheriff Richard back. Thank you so much for coming on the program again

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Shout out to everyone where and we'll link up below guys, but where can they? Get that material and then if you've got any social media handles or anything

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You want to throw out there for people to follow you go ahead and throw them out to the people right now Yeah, we're out there what's uh, what's done you what's our social media

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If not, I can find it I think I think he's she said she sent it to you But anyway, yes, we're out there on all of them

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I don't use them as much as I just want to use people email You want to email me sheriff

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Mac at hotmail .com? Hotmail .com and then just go to CS POA See as POA org make a donation

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Become a member of our posse and folks. Let's take this seriously. This is our this is our solution

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This is our peaceful and effective solution for the cause of Liberty today. It's just as important as it was in 1776 let's be involved.

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Let's be doers of the word not just ears and let's Take this back and let's get the sheriff's active with Trump to make this a peaceful process for deportation

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Talk to your sheriff about working with Trump in deporting The illegals especially the criminal element that is here.

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Yeah, so good. Thank you so much for being on again sheriff Mac We appreciate you. Thank you Greg. See you soon.

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