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Welcome back to the channel. It is October 30th, 2024.

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Big Yankees win last night. You know, it was a good game. Everybody got in on the hitting. The Yankees won big.

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And I had come to the place where it's like, I'm not really a Yankees fan, but I do like them. I was okay with them getting swept.

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I thought that would be fine. And also, you know, as a Mets fan, you know, it would be, I think, a better chance to get

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Juan Soto. But I'm glad they won. You know what I mean? Now that they've won, I want them to take it a little bit further.

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So we'll see what happens. It's been a not -so -great series, but it's been interesting.

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So, you know, at least we have baseball for one more day. In any case, I wanted to let everybody know, a lot of people in the comment section took issue with the fact that I had not watched the whole

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Eschatology Matters Tobias inaugural episode, right? They took issue with that, and they said, you really shouldn't comment on it without watching the whole thing.

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Now, I don't really agree with that, because I addressed the parts that I addressed, that I had seen.

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And I, you know, of course, you know, the stuff I hadn't seen, I said, hey, it could be gold. You know, who knows?

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But I didn't really agree with that. But I kind of got to the point where enough people said, hey, you should watch it.

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There's some really serious accusations and things like that in there that you need to take seriously.

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And so I kind of had come to the point where it's like, yeah, maybe I will watch it, right? And so I went back to the old

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YouTubes this morning, and guess what? Videos deleted.

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Yeah, that's right. The video is gone. It's been memory hold. Now, I actually don't think it's going to be memory hold, because memory hold means it disappears and you never hear anything else about it.

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I don't think the Eschatology Matters guys are those kind of guys. If they deleted the video, they deleted it for a reason.

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And, you know, I am kind of in a privileged position here. You know, I'm on the

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Right Response Ministry's board. So I kind of know what's going on behind the scenes.

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I've seen and heard some extra content that nobody out there on the

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YouTube has seen. So I think I know what this is about. I think I know why it was deleted. But your boy

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A .D. Robles was ready, because last night while I'm watching the Yankees, you know, that's the thing about baseball.

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You don't have to pay too much attention. So you're watching baseball, and I started thinking to myself, you know, if this video gets deleted,

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I'd like to have a copy. You know what I mean? A .D. Robles has learned a thing or two in his few years in the reformed corner of the

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Internet. I've learned a thing or two. And I said, hey, A .D., why don't you go ahead and record the audio?

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Which I did. So I have the audio of the episode that's been memory -hulled. And I will continue to have it.

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I'll hold on to it. It's going to be mine forever. So I have listened to a little bit more of it, and I've also listened to some additional stuff.

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And, guys, this is a real mess. This is a real freaking mess, and it really didn't need to be this way.

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This could have been a mess privately, and it should have been a mess privately, because ultimately, the alleged sins in question are not that big a deal.

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Most of them, in my opinion, aren't even sins. But, at the same time, there were some charges in the rest of the video that I didn't cover yesterday that were very serious, and that should be taken seriously.

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That, quite frankly, and I'm going to say this with as much restraint as I can,

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Tobias says he's got the receipts. I've seen some of the receipts.

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And he doesn't have the receipts. Now, that's kind of weird to say. I've seen the receipts.

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He doesn't have the receipts. What I mean is, he doesn't have what he thinks he has. Let's put it that way.

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It is pathetic. It is preposterous. And really, the only point of understanding

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I can have with Tobias, who I don't know, and I don't care about more than I would care about a standard, random brother that I don't know from another country.

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There's a certain amount of care that's required for someone like that, but it's not really a personal care, like a personal relationship.

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I didn't even know who this guy was before a few weeks ago. It doesn't go beyond that.

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But I do have some sympathy for him being a pastor in Germany. Because if you think that our generations or previous generations in America have been psyoped, you don't know anything.

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The people of Germany have been living and breathing and eating propaganda for their entire lives to a degree that you just have to have sympathy for everyone who is in Germany.

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It's a real situation. So I do have some sympathy for Tobias in that respect.

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That being said, Tobias is a liar. Tobias is lying.

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And I don't know why he hates Joel Webben so much. I don't know why he doesn't feel anything about just telling wild things about Joel Webben that are objectively, hear me saying this, objectively untrue.

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I don't know why he feels the need to mudsling the way he's done. But I've seen the receipts.

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And that is exactly what he's doing. But you don't have to take my word for it.

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This is the thing. Because I don't think that these private conversations that I've heard,

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I've heard them now. I don't think they necessarily need to go public. And if somebody asked me,

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A .D., what's your opinion on it? Right now, as I sit here on October 30th, 9 .30

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in the morning, I would say do not release them. That would be my advice. I would say do not release them, but don't lose the files either.

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Because I might be a nice guy, but I'm not naive either. You may need them. You may need those files.

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Because I've seen how this works. So that's what my position would be.

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You don't have to take my word for it. You know, you trust me and you do take my word for it, then great.

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But you don't have to take my word for it. Because if you listen to the entire

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Tobias presentation, and you just do what I've practiced, I've tried to practice, you know, my whole time on YouTube.

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Just assume everything that the person is telling you is correct. And see if his arguments hold any weight once you've done that.

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That's the best way to go. Because you can quibble with the facts, and in this case, with Tobias Flagerschmack, whatever his name is, with Tobias, all of the things you would want to quibble with, chances are you're right about them.

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He's not correct. He's not giving you the truth. But forget that. You don't have to even worry about that.

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Just assume he's telling the truth and see if his argument has any weight.

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Because here's what happens with people when they're just making stuff up. What happens with people when they're making stuff up, it's very difficult to lie.

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Like, it's not difficult to lie. You could just lie at any time. But what it's difficult to do is to remember all of the things that you've said to keep it consistent.

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That's why when you see police interviews, they ask you the same question five, six different ways because they understand how difficult and how energy -consuming it is to tell lies.

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And so if they ask you in a slightly different way, you may forget how you answered the first time. And so they catch you in the lies, and then before you know it, you're in prison.

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That's why you always need a lawyer, by the way. Are you willing to talk to us without a lawyer?

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The answer is no. I don't care what you've done. The answer is no. In any case, you don't have to take my word for it.

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And I want to draw attention to this thread on X. You know what?

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I'm calling Twitter X now. I've held out long enough. And enough's enough.

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It's X. I want to draw attention to this thread on X here.

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So this is an anonymous X user. And he has a thread here that includes some video clips of his analysis of these accusations against Joel Webben.

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And I thought it was really well done. I want to draw attention to it. I'll try to remember to link it in the description of this video so you can see.

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But he does exactly what I try to practice. And I've been practicing this with The Woke Church for a long time.

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He just takes Tobias' word for it. See if it holds weight in and of itself.

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Is it even consistent at all? And I want to draw attention to this. So let me just start by reading.

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And we'll watch some of the videos. And we'll go from there. So here's with Son of Jephthah.

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Jephth. Some of Jephth. I need to learn how to pronounce words, man.

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That's a big problem of mine. Here's what he says. He says, If you are in reform circles on X, you are probably seeing quite a few clips from a new podcast with Pastor Tobias Rameschmeier of Germany in your feed.

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Tobias makes a slew of serious accusations against Joel Webben, including being a slanderer, a liar, full of hatred, and a key proponent of Jew hatred.

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That's what he thinks Joel is. He also claims anti -Semitism is prevalent at Covenant Bible Church, which is

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Joel Webben's church. Prior to this point, I had never heard of Tobias. I only have his words in his podcast to go off of.

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I've listened to many of Joel's sermons and podcasts, and respect him as a brother in Christ, although I do not attend his church.

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I spent the afternoon evaluating Tobias' arguments, nearly two hours worth. What I found was a lack of good faith and charity, clever sophistry instead of Christian admonishment, intentionally inconsistent standards of argument, vendetta, and perhaps ulterior motives.

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Looking solely at Tobias' own words, I'd like to highlight my concerns with what's really going on here.

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Here's the first thread of or the first point. To set that stage, the dispute seems to be over a former member of Tobias' church who is now a member of Joel's church.

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The individual shared a Holocaust meme in February. Prior to that point, Tobias says he was in communication with this individual, and he had said anti -Semitic things to him.

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A Zoom call occurred, blogs were written, podcasts done, etc., etc. This is not meant to be an exhaustive timeline, just general context.

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In the first three minutes, Tobias claims that Joel is one of the quote, key figures and key proponents of anti -Semitism and is dangerous, end quote.

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Bear in mind that Tobias is doing this podcast because he says he's been slandered by Joel, although after listening,

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I could never quite discern what the precise slander was. Also bear in mind that Tobias will later accuse

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Joel of using the playbook of the left. Think about that for a moment. Our politics, who's calling who a

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Nazi? And which side are you aligned with? Here's the video clip he chooses. This is about a very dangerous and evil development in the church, even within the

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Reformed church, that is creeping into more and more churches, local churches. And this needs to be addressed.

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And sadly, one of the key figures, the key proponents of this dangerous development is

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Pastor Joel Webben. Okay, so that's his, he's just showing you what he said about Joel.

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Now, one of the things I wanted to add to this, son of Japheth, is, you know, he says he's been slandered by Joel.

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After listening, I could not quite discern what the precise slander was. There was no precise to slander. This is just the standard thing where you disagree with someone and say that they're wrong or that they've lost their mind or something like that.

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And the other side says it's slander. This is why even in real slanderous situations,

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I try not to use the word slander because the power of the word slander has been so sullied over the years that it's essentially meaningless at this point.

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Even though slander is real and it does exist, like, for example, just spitballing here, saying that Joel Webbin is one of the key proponents of antisemitism and Jew hatred and stuff like that.

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Like, that is actually slander. It's not true. And it's designed to sort of, it's designed to sort of destroy a man's reputation.

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Like, that's the whole point of slander. Even in those situations, I try not to use the word slander because it's just so meaningless these days.

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And so, you know, son of Japheth here is wondering what's the precise slander of Tobias. There was none.

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There was none. It's just that he said he lost his mind, which he definitely did. He definitely lost his mind.

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But even if you disagree that he has lost his mind, that's not slander. That's just my freaking opinion. Anyway, let's continue.

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He says, now in this clip, Tobias presents a partial clip with Joel saying some of the ideas his church member had articulated.

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Joel is not articulating his beliefs. He's trying to steal man his church member's perspective.

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Yet notice how Tobias conflates the two. He plays the truncated clip, then claims that, quote, this is what

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Joel is saying about the Jews, end quote, before going on to make Joel's arguments for him, and then denouncing the trumped up argument.

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Joel is trying to be charitable to his church member's perspective. Tobias is building up and tearing down a classic straw man of Joel.

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This isn't good faith argument. It's sophistry. Let me try to translate what he's trying to say here.

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Tobias is about to play a clip of Joel saying some things. And Tobias is going to assign those things to Joel's beliefs,

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Joel's perspective. And then he's going to try to knock it down, saying how dangerous Joel is, you know, he's a purveyor of Jew hatred, talking points, whatever.

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But this is not what Joel was doing. Joel was describing in this clip, it was Joel speaking, but he was describing the views of somebody else.

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That would be like me saying that, you know, Thabiti Anya Bwili believes that you should, as a

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Christian, vote for Kamala Harris, because blah blah blah blah blah, and I say a bunch of stuff, a bunch of stuff. And then somebody clipping me and saying,

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A .D. Robles believes you should vote for Kamala Harris. And here's why that's wrong, and here's why that's evil.

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That's the equivalent. That's how dishonest Tobias has been. And yesterday, when

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I watched the clip, I hadn't seen this clip. I hadn't seen this part of it yet. But I had seen him do this exact thing in another clip, one of the ones

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I talked about. He did this exact thing. This is...

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It's so beyond messed up that there's not strong enough words for it.

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This is... It's not even sophistry, it's... It is sophistry, but it's more evil than sophistry.

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You know what I mean? It's intentional. You know, sophistry, you're like, Oh, well, the guy's an idiot. I mean, he just doesn't know anything.

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No, no. Tobias knows what he's doing. Tobias knows what he's doing. And I know he knows what he's doing.

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I know he knows what he's doing. But now let's continue with this podcast, and I want to go back just a little bit, because here we hear what

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Joel is saying about the Jews. Here we hear what Joel is saying about the Jews.

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Okay, so he's assigning this to Joel's beliefs. When in actuality,

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Joel is trying to steel man his church members' perspective. Joel's not saying this is his perspective.

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He's saying this is the church man's perspective. I'm going to talk about this. How many prisoners of war were actually taken?

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How many of them actually died? How did they die? Was it malicious? Or was it that they died through starvation because Churchill cut off all trade, and so your own people, women and children in Germany, were starving.

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And when your own people are starving, the prisoners of war usually are going to get the shortest end of the stick.

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Okay, so when he's talking about prisoners of war, again, he is talking about the Jews in the concentration camp.

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Maybe not exclusively, but he includes them. That was what we talked about in our online meeting, in our

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Zoom meeting. That's what this brother said. And that's what Joel is talking about because we never talked about anyone else.

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We never talked about any other prisoners of war. We exclusively talked about the Jews. So when

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Joel is talking about prisoners of war, this is his terminology. Jews are not, you know, they were not really treated badly.

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It wasn't malicious. They are just prisoners of war, and that happens in war, right?

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And, well, he's always talking about how many were there, how many died. I don't care how many died.

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Now, don't get me wrong. I do. But that's not my point. Yeah, so I've listened to the

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Zoom call. Tobias. Oh, yes.

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Oh, yes. I've listened to the Zoom call, and he's right. That's what the church member was saying.

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That's what the church member was saying. That's right. By the way, not a sin.

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Not a sin. You might disagree with it. Not a sin. But do you see what he's done here?

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He's conflating the church member's beliefs and statements with Joel's statements.

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That's how he frames it. That's what Joel is talking about here. That's what

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Joel is saying about the Jews. Yeah, Joel was speaking, but he was talking about somebody else's position.

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This is all intentional. To me, sophistry almost makes it seem like he's just an idiot.

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Tobias is just an idiot. I mean, I don't know Tobias. Maybe he is an idiot.

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I have no idea. A lot of people that I do know and I do trust don't seem to think he's an idiot.

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I'm inclined to believe them. I'm inclined to believe them. Tobias is not just an idiot. He's intentionally doing this, is what

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I believe. That's what I believe. We go on.

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Son of Japheth says, in this clip, Tobias will claim, without any substantiation whatsoever, that the

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Holocaust meme shared by one member of Joel's church is indicative of, quote, a mindset prevalent in Joel's church.

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End quote. No support is given, nor do I think it's possible for him to substantiate such a claim.

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The man is in Germany. To my knowledge, has never visited the church, nor spoken to the majority of its members.

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This is pure guilt by association, a logical fallacy, and a common smear tactic.

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By the way, a common leftist smear tactic. No good faith

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Christian argument here either. He's slandering hundreds of people who have done him no wrong at all.

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Here's what he says. Well, Joel wants to make it about this. If it had been shared publicly, that's not our problem.

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The problem is not was it shared publicly or in a smaller circle. The problem is what this meme actually tells you about not just the mindset of this young man, but because of the mindset that is prevalent in Joel's church.

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That's not what it is about. Because a member of Joel's church shared a meme that you don't like, a meme that you think is

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Jew hatred, a meme that you think is racist or whatever, Nazi whatever, what that means to you,

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Tobias, is that the church itself, this mindset is prevalent. How you could possibly know that, who knows?

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But he just says it. Because this isn't about what's true and good and right for the church.

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And I'm talking about Joel's church and God's church at large. What this is about is destroying

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Joel's ministry. There was a woman in my comment section who said that somebody she knows,

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I'm not trying to reveal too much here, used to donate to Right Response Ministries and came home in a fuss, in a tizzy over Tobias's Take a deep breath,

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AD. Take a deep breath. Listen, I'm talking to myself. I mean,

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I told you I was a little crazy. Anyway, came home in a tizzy and was all upset,

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Joel's a fraud, he hates Jews and now we're not going to support his ministry anymore. And I told this person,

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I said, this is what this is about. I don't know why this is the case, but certain people want to destroy

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Joel's ministry. They want people to remove support. They want his platform destroyed.

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And so that is what this is about. So if they have to destroy an entire church in the process, they do not care.

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Tobias has no idea. When I say no idea, I mean no idea if this mindset is prevalent in Joel's church or not.

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He doesn't, but he just says it. He just says it and he tells you, that's what this is about. This is a

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Jew -hating church. He doesn't know that. I've been,

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I haven't been to the worship service, no I have been to the worship service of this church, that's not true. I've been to this church.

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I've been to men's meetings at this church. I've talked to tons of people at this church.

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And do you know what our conversations were like? Who wants to guess what the conversations were like?

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They were normal conversations, not about this. Now, do some people talk about this?

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Sure. People talk about all kinds of stuff. I posted on X earlier today that nobody has ever seen

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NoQuarter80 Roblox. Nobody. I've never put out any NoQuarter content before. Now, I've gone in on the channel before, but nobody on the internet has seen

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NoQuarter80 Roblox. It's as simple as that, but if I, if I, if you see

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NoQuarter80 Roblox at some point in the future, I wouldn't be all that surprised. I'll just put it that way.

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Because this is it's so you know,

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I don't even have words for it. Let's just move on. Let's just move on. Son of Japheth says, the hypocrisy on full display in this clip is next level.

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Tobias claims that Joel is a protector of Jew hatred. Despite the fact that Joel did a podcast in which he specifically calls out where he disagrees with the young man.

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Joel never defends Jew hatred. If he did, Tobias would have played that clip.

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Now, that's a little obvious, don't you think? Like, and this is what I wonder, like, a lot of people were fooled by this

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Tobias video. Fooled! And I'm talking about smart people. Were fooled by this, by this video.

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And on one level, I can understand. Because when somebody is speaking, and they're very confident, and they've got a slick accent, and I'm being straight up with you, the accent affects me too.

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I get it. I get it. And he says things so confidently, and you believe he's a brother, like, you believe him.

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You take his word for it. But don't you stop to think for one moment, that if he is going to claim that Joel protects

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Jew hatred, that he'd play one clip where he doesn't? Just one? Instead, he doesn't, because there is no clip like that.

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In fact, there are numerous clips of the opposite. Numerous clips. Now, he doesn't protect

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Jewish people to the point that a lot of people do, where it's like they can do no wrong. That's true.

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But he doesn't play that clip. So let me continue with Shun of Jephthah. He says, he claims that he's a protector of Jew hatred, despite the fact that Joel did a podcast in which he specifically calls out where he disagrees with this young man.

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Joel never defends Jew hatred. If he did, Tobias would have played that clip. The cognitive dissonance required for Tobias to call out

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Joel for slandering him in a two -hour podcast, when he is quite literally slandering Joel in his own nearly two -hour podcast, is astounding.

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Again, proof of his accusations is promised, but never delivered. Let's continue. That is what

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Joel is defending. Please understand, Joel is doing a two -hour podcast to slander another pastor.

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Why? To protect this man. I hope he's still a brother. I don't know. To protect this man.

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The sin of this man. The Jew hatred of this man. To protect this man, member of his church,

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I hope he's still a brother. What do you expect him to do if he believes he is a brother? He did your little kangaroo court,

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Tobias. He didn't have to, because you're on the other side of the freaking planet. He could have just told you to focus on your own

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German stuff. He could have said that, but he didn't. He sat there for two hours, listening to you rant and rave.

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Guys, I'm telling you, I've heard the Zoom call. It is exactly what you would expect any woke church

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Zoom call to sound like. Any one of them. It's exactly that. And there's people clutching pearls and freaking out.

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There's a British guy on there that, oh, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. It's exactly what you'd expect.

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And he goes, why does he do it? To protect this church member. All of you should hope and pray that your pastor would protect you as well against the mob who calls for your pound of flesh.

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When the mob insists that you do not belong in the fellowship, and the pastor knows you do, you should pray that your pastor would have the guts, the stones to stand up to the mob.

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And by the way, that's not why he made the video about you, Tobias. He made the video about you because you did numerous podcasts about him.

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That's why. You made it public. Let's continue.

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Son of Japheth says this next clip really takes the cake. It's downright dishonorable. Tobias claims that this church member had told him things

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Joel had said. Socially, we'd call this gossip. In court, we'd call this unreliable hearsay.

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Now, at first, Tobias says he will not talk about these claims because he cares too much about the

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Bible and lacks the proper witness to make such an accusation. And then in the very next sentence, he proceeds to do what he claimed was unbiblical.

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Tobias says this church member told him that all of this hatred and anti -Semitic beliefs are due to the influence of Joel Webben and his church.

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You don't even need to take my arguments anyway. Tobias is indicating that Tobias is behaving unbiblically.

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This is what I mean. Like, just hear what he says and listen to it. Does it hold any weight?

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You don't have to take my word for it that the Zoom call was insane. You can if you want to, and I have a feeling that you're probably going to hear about it at some point.

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Not yet. But just listen to Tobias. I can't talk about what was said to me privately that I need two or more witnesses, but by the way, here's what was said to me.

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Brother also told me things about Joel Webben that Joel Webben had said. And I will not bring them forth.

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I will not talk about this because I do not have two or three witnesses that I... Your testimony is untrue, according to your own standard,

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Tobias. But oh wait, we've got 20 seconds left in this clip. Let's hear what he says after this. ...would need in order to bring forth an accusation against the pastor.

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While Joel Webben might not care, but I care about the Bible. Yeah, sure you do. So I will not say that.

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But one thing I can say. This brother told me all this new thinking, all this saying that he is an avowed anti -Semite.

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He says this is due to the influence of Joel Webben and his church. I can't talk about it because I don't have the two or more witnesses, and I care about the

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Bible. But what I will say is that Joel influenced him to be an avowed anti -Semite.

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You just gotta love it. You gotta love it. You gotta love it. Let's continue.

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Now Tobias plays a clip where Joel says that before he did this particular show,

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Tobias had gone on several shows attacking him, and so here he is merely responding to the attacks.

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Tobias decides to nitpick Joel here, arguing that he went on two shows to criticize Joel, and that two is not several.

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However, about six minutes prior, Tobias claims that Joel always makes it about the numbers, and that it is wrong regardless.

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Tobias is using different weights and measures between himself and Joel. That's not a good faith Christian argument. Yeah. This is just, like, when you're trying to mudsling, it doesn't really matter.

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You just use anything you can. You know what I mean? You know, everything, the kitchen sink, and everything. This is all just nonsense.

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Let's just listen to it because it's funny. So, I went on several shows.

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Well, Joel, several sounds a lot. Maybe you can substantiate that. I spoke on Iron Shaman's Iron Radio, and I had one podcast with Eschatology Matters.

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I'm not even sure if I mentioned Joel's name there, but maybe I did. But we're talking at two shows at the most.

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Maybe two shows. You know, like, I mean, that stands on its own.

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That stands on its own. Here's the final one. Hold on.

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Hold on. Here we go. Now, like I said, I know nothing about Tobias, and I would have no idea why he decided to engage in this two -hour smear fest against Joel if Tobias hadn't let his motives slip in the very first few minutes of the podcast.

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Quite simply, Tobias says the quiet part out loud. He is a Reformed pastor in Germany. I'd estimate the number of Reformed Christians is probably in the thousands.

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He plainly says he wanted an American platform. He was approached by, quote, well -known pastors and given such a platform, but they advised him to use it to denounce

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Joel. He quite literally says the topic was forced upon him.

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Tobias went from someone I'd never heard of to someone everyone is talking about by tearing down a

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Christian brother. He got exactly what he was looking for. Let's listen to this clip.

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I am pastor of Evangelical Reformed Baptist Church in Frankfurt, Germany, and this is my first show, and it is also my first show in English, a foreign language.

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So, how did this come about? Well, a few weeks ago I was walking through the woods and thought to myself, well, it would be nice to have a platform in America to be able to address certain things.

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But I don't have a platform. And two days later, the brothers from Eschatology Matters approached me and offered me my own show on their platform, on their channel.

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I thought, well, it seems God has opened a door, so let's go through it and do this show.

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Again, my first show in a foreign language, so bear with me, have patience with me.

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I'm sure I will improve, but we have to start now. And, you know,

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I was wondering what would be a good topic for the first episode of my own show, what should

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I be talking about, and well, I didn't have the luxury to actually choose an own topic, because one topic was forced on me.

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And I'm not really happy about that, but that's how it is. So, a few weeks ago,

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Pastor Joel Webben of Right Response Ministries published a video against me.

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And I didn't even listen to that until a few days ago, but I didn't even want to know what he had said.

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But several pastors, well -known pastors, you would know their names, they approached me and they told me,

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Tobias, you have to respond. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, I got the meme of Ian Malcolm.

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Well, there it is. I just watched Jurassic Park the other day. Well, there it is.

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There it is. He wanted an American platform and some well -known pastors that, for whatever reason, stuck their beaks into this one, wanted to put

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Joel in his place, told him he had to talk about that he had to do this.

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This is the first inaugural episode for your new Eschatology Matters show. I had a thought yesterday after I released my video, because I was thinking to myself, like, why in the world, like, why in the world would someone want to make this their opening topic, like their opening statement?

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You're launching a new platform, a new podcast, and you chose this to talk about.

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Remember in the video yesterday, I said, maybe take a few warm -up swings first, and then maybe swing for the fences. And then

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I had a thought. This was a pretty cynical thought. And I saw on the

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YouTube channel, you can't see it anymore because it's been taken down in two days, the video was taken down.

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And I saw it was doing numbers. You know what I mean? The video was doing numbers. I don't remember where it ended up, but it was a decent amount of, when

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I saw it last, I think, if I'm not mistaken, unless I have this confused, when I saw it last, it was around 11 ,000 views, something like that.

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Maybe a little bit more. I could be mistaken. I can't fact -check myself because it's been deleted within two days of publishing it.

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Thank God for that. Thank God for that. And I had a cynical thought, and my thought was, oh, that's why they did it.

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Because Joel is a lightning rod. Joel's name does numbers.

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Joel is being remembered. Joel has been targeted by every which way.

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Joel is promoted every day on Right Wing Watch, saying obviously basic biblical things, and they think it's the worst thing in the world, and he's promoted again and again.

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I'm not complaining. I wish I was promoted on Right Wing Watch. Joel's name is so bad that people recognize him in the street and curse him out.

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You know what I mean? He's a known quantity. So you want to make a splash in your new

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American platform, Tobias Rockerschmock? Try to take down Joel Webbin.

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They'll do numbers. That's the thought I had yesterday. It's pretty cynical.

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Don't know if I believe it. It is apparent that there is an organized effort to destroy

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Joel Webbin's ministry. It is apparent to me.

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I've been down this road before. I've seen how this works before.

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I'm a veteran of Woke Wars 1. I know what it's all about. I know the strategies that are deployed.

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And this guy, son of Japheth, has done a great service to us all by clipping these things and showing you how the dishonesty works.

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And those of you who were with us during Woke Wars 1 recognize each one of these strategies, and they could understand them for what they are.

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They went after him. This is a hit job. This is a hit job.

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And I don't know all the details. Here he says he was approached by well -known pastors. You would know their names.

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And they told him, you have to respond to Joel. That's how you make the first episode.

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And if he was just going to respond to Joel, that would have been fine.

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I think that probably would have been a good episode, and it probably would have done numbers, and it would have been fine, and Joel is not above correction, and he might be wrong about some things, about how he's handled it.

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That would have been interesting to listen to. But to hear how wild he decided to get about this, this was so bad.

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This was so opposite of what really happened. This was so messed up.

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I've listened to the Zoom call. I've listened to it. And other people have as well.

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And there's talk about you know, how how did this all work in the background?

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Like, why was this the inaugural episode? Guys, I'm not involved in the decision to remove this from YouTube.

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I'm not involved in that decision. So when yesterday, we were all having a good time and joking, and I said this was the worst inaugural episode ever,

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I mean what more evidence do you need than the fact that the day after I said that, it was deleted from the internet.

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It was deleted. Do you know how bad it has to be in reality to get deleted from the internet by the people who put it out on the internet?

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It's infuriating. It's infuriating because even though I don't know all the inner workings of how this came to be, and I don't,

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I know enough about them to be honestly very shocked about who's involved.

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I don't know how much they're involved. I don't know all the details. I'm telling you, I don't know. But this is the first time

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I've seen a hit job like this be orchestrated, in part, by friends.

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By people that I consider friendly. I don't mean like personal friends,

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I mean like friendlies. Normally, this comes from enemies. And a lot of people are telling me, you know,

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AD, you're the naive one, and I've heard this many times in my life. People call me naive all the time. And you know what, guys?

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You might be right. You might be right. Ol' AD is just naive.

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He's a cock -eyed optimist. Maybe that's true. Maybe that's true. Because what they say is, you know, if you've never seen this done by enemies before, and now you're like, wow, how could this be done by friends?

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Maybe they're not friends. That's what they've said. And you know, Occam's Razor, the simplest answer, you know, they got a point.

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They have a point. Now, to this point, call me naive, call me whatever you want. To this point,

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I say, I understand why you say that, I don't want to believe that, and I choose not to believe it.

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So, I don't want to believe it, and I'm choosing not to believe it. But I'm going to have to hear something.

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You know what I mean? This is not something I'm just going to file away and, you know, in ten years, you know, whatever.

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I'm going to have to hear some kind of an explanation for this. I'm going to have to.

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Because I don't want to be naive. I'll put it that way. I don't want to be naive. Tobias Reigerschmacher, or whatever his name is,

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Tobias, I wish that he hadn't put out this episode. I really do wish that.

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But, I'm glad that he did. And I'm glad that it's gone down the way it's gone down.

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With everyone sharing it, that's sharing it. All of the people that just want Joel to be destroyed rejoicing about this great episode.

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Oh, it's so wonderful. It's so great. I'm glad they're all going to have egg on their face.

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I'm glad about it. I'm glad that it was deleted two days after it was put out.

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I'm glad about how this went down. Because this is one of those moments. This is one of those moments that we always talk about.

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We compare it to COVID, right? We compare it to the COVID situation. That was a mask -off moment.

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Where you saw exactly where everybody stood. And it made life easier because you knew who you could trust and who you couldn't.

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You knew who was calling to put you in jail and who wasn't. You knew. It's not to say there's no room for forgiveness.

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Of course there is. Even Joel bought the COVID stuff in the beginning. I was right about COVID, but a lot of people weren't.

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And people that weren't, that said, hey, guys, I was wrong. There's a lot of forgiveness for that. But this is another one of those moments.

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This Tobias video has become a litmus test. A line in the sand.

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If you failed here, you need to take a good look in the mirror, and you need to figure out why is it that I failed here?

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Why? I was so ready and so excited to believe the worst possible thing about Joel Webb, and why is that?

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Why is that? And it's not like you need to have secret knowledge.

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Like, again, I've listened to the Zoom call, right? So I know more than a lot of you guys know. It's just natural.

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I do. But you didn't even need that. Yesterday, I hadn't heard that.

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Yesterday, all I saw was two, was it three clips? It was three clips. 15, 20 minutes of this content.

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I hadn't even listened to the whole thing. But I was three for three. The three things I did randomly listen to, in the content itself, you knew

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Tobias was full of it. You knew he was grasping at straws. You knew he had an axe to grind.

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I was playing Tobias roulette. And all three, three for three, it was nonsense.

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I know I kind of flippantly said, yeah, maybe the other hour and 40 minutes is gold, and maybe I'm totally wrong.

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I remember saying that, but I knew deep down I could have played roulette for an hour with Tobias, and it would have been the same thing every time.

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Anyway. So, I don't know that this is the last I'm going to talk about this.

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As I said, the video is deleted from the internet, and I kind of do want to respect that to some degree.

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I do have the audio, which I'm going to keep forever. I'm going to keep it forever.

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And maybe I will do content on the other hour and 40 minutes that people said I had to listen to.

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I've listened to more of it. I haven't listened to all of it. But maybe I'll do some content on it, just to show you all of the tactics, all of the dishonesty, all of the lies, all of the smears that Tobias engages here in, just to really drive the point home.

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Just to drive it into the ground forever. I told some people privately like I'm like toying with the idea of blasting this into orbit.

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Just completely, no holds barred, no quarter whatsoever, just going freaking in.

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I'm not ready to do it yet, but I'm toying with the idea, and it will be magnificent.

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It will be magnificent. But I don't know.

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I have it. I have it. We'll see what happens. Anyway, son of Japheth, I don't know if you watch the channel,

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I don't know if you wanted attention drawn to this, but I drew more attention to it, so good on you for producing this thread.

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There was one more. Let's just finish it, because I think he deserves it. He deserves it. One more thread, no clip though.

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Son of Japheth says, the problem when you argue unmoored to principle is that you'll eventually contradict yourself or act hypocritically.

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Hypocritically. Hypocritically. Hypocritically. Something Tobias is doing all throughout this show. Before you make a judgment, examine how he's advancing his argument, and whether you believe he's doing it in a caring, charitable, and Christian manner.

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Ask yourself, who typically smears who as a Nazi without evidence? Ask yourself, who typically uses guilt by association in place of actual argument?

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And ask yourself, if you're comfortable with someone using that same playbook against a brother in Christ. All of those are good questions.

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You don't have to take anyone's word for it. Just do it yourself. Listen to what he's saying. Really listen. And if you take him at face value, is it what he says it is?

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Very interesting. Very interesting. This is a good one too. Natural Law Theonomist came up with this one.

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This is a funny comparison here, because people are accusing Joel Webbin of just being, he's only interested in platform building and stuff like that.

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And even Nathaniel Jolly got in on that. He did a nice Jesus juke with the platform building.

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Only unbelievers want their name to be remembered. I want Jesus' name to be remembered. It's like, you posted it with your own account when making a name for yourself.

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You have a podcast. Come on, dude. It's true, but everyone builds platforms.

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Everyone that has a platform wants to build a platform too. It's not necessarily because they think they're so great.

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It's just because that's what they're doing. It's all nonsense. Anyway, listen to this. This is one bonus clip here, where Tobias, again, is using different weights and measures against Joel than he would for himself.

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Here's the first clip. Remember, this is the part that's not okay, according to Tobias. I've heard people, good people, pastors, experienced ones, telling me for years, we are concerned about Joel.

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We believe he just wants to build a platform. We believe he wants to have a great name for himself.

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Joel's a platform builder, and now here's Tobias on Tobias. I was walking through the woods and thought to myself, well, it would be nice to have a platform in America to be able to address certain things.

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This is why the platform, you just try to build a platform argument, is so lazy. You could say that about anybody.

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Anybody who has a platform is just trying to build a platform. It's just so easy to say, and you have no idea what you're talking about. We're very concerned about Joel.

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He just wants to build a platform. A few weeks ago, I wanted to build a platform. It's just all insane. It's all insane.

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In any case, we've been at it for 50 minutes. I feel better. I feel better, yeah.

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I do. I feel better. In any case, I hope you found this video helpful.