August 21, 2019 Show with Brent Ward on “Christians in the Military: One Veteran’s Testimony & Counsel”

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Brent is a former army 82nd Airborne paratrooper and Gulf War veteran and he is currently the director of development at IRB s theological seminary in Mansfield Texas. Today We are going to be addressing Christians in the military one veterans testimony and counsel.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Brent Ward.

Thank you, Chris. I'm really glad to be.

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Well before we even go into your personal testimony and as we have a tradition here on iron trip and Zion radio where our first-time guests give summary of their salvation testimony including the kind of religious atmosphere if any they were raised in and What providential circumstances were raised up in your life to draw you?

To our Sovereign Lord and save you. But before that tell our listeners who have not yet heard anything about IRB s theological seminary Tell them something about this wonderful seminary, which happens to be a key sponsor of iron sharpens iron radio.

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What kind of religious atmosphere were you raised in if any. And How did our Sovereign Lord draw you to himself and save you.

Yes, thank you. So on Baptist now is truly the kindness of the Lord. And the charismatic movement and in particular not just the charismatic movement. But if you are familiar with the world, oh, yeah.

I've had Kosti Hinn on this program who is the nephew of Benny Hinn and Kosti is now a reformed Baptist and cessationist Pastoring in Arizona.

Isn't that wonderful?

Amen my.

My father a charismatic pastor. I Believe that you'll find that that is still the case but during this time when we're talking about the 70s and so it's nothing for us than to be in someone's home or people being in our home and capturing some kind of experience and so while I would say that it was anemic in the sense that It wasn't very deep in regards to looking at the character nature or what to do with how I was Feeling at the time and what kind of experience I could have that makes sense.

Yes, and so I I was I never really made a professional faith during that time. I was much late at a young age and Every young man when he is in rebellion against his parents and is to join the military.

And so, you know, if I'm not going to be obedient to my dad, I'll go and join the army. Again, my dad was more than happy to help me sign up.

Now just out of curiosity, let me just interrupt you for a moment. What did you have other family members in the military army?

My my grandfather was a war to Vietnam veteran. My dad was. My dad was a Vietnam veteran. My grandfather was World War two veteran and So I did have a background having service to my country being a really big deal.

But it was a great idea just to get away from the house, you know. Every rebellious young man probably needs to go in the army. So that being said. And like I said, my my MOS was Or a Calvary either being, you know mortar fire 11s with the copperhead missiles or naval gunfire.

So we were the guys that had the radios and we'd call that in actually in Korea and Cool and then send me to a leg unit in cry. Hey, that's what happened and.

And then.

After that one year I went to the 82nd there for Bragg in North Carolina which is about two and a half hours from my hometown during Wilmington area and. We we did and then the go into that a little bit.

During that entire time I was not serving the Lord in fact. You know when we get into it a little bit in detail and I know that other people's experience is quite different than my own. But for me, I saw a lot of people make professor render to Christ.

I don't know if I saw Christianity during my military stint on Wilmington and and honestly my dad. Probably had one of the wisest things make a reconnection with your family that are younger than I'm.

One was nine years younger and the other 11 years younger, you know, I'm about 22 years old and. And I did. I wanted to make that connection again with my family. He says look will you just consider those and then after you know, Sunday afternoon Sunday evening just you know Spend time with us with the pants hit mess against.

God got greater and greater. I was an angry a lot of bitterness is going on in terms of just mental anguish. Not realizing the Lord had me right where he wanted me the entire time I'm sure and he was X special appreciate him.

He was a kind of a tell it like it is kind of guy. He had uh, it suggested that I read.

Did you say wrecks you say are you? wreck ed.

It did the gospel of John. Absolutely, and it really is of these, you know. Deity. Well, the church helped a decisional regeneration, you know during that time and. And so from the book of John. After I completed that I decided when you get an agenda, those are great.

Some of the others when you start getting in before a young guy was the Lord just showed his kind. I desire to. I'll use that term because I didn't know what else to do. Other than just to the friend of my father's, although he was a cure.

You.

Recommended was Calvin and Spurgeon and John MacArthur of these types of men. Just in regards to you are Providentially put that man in my life. I eventually Moving to Dallas, Texas where I met my beautiful wife Calvinistic while going to a charismatic Bible.

Can you mention the name of that institution? Here in Dallas, Texas.

Okay, cuz now there was a Christ for the nation's here on Long Island when I hear when I say here. I used to live on Long Island of in Pennsylvania now, but where I was born and raised on Long Island.

There was a Christ for the nation's as well nation. They decided that they wanted to Pentecostal with the church several different charismatic churches that was in our home a little over 20 people the desire to and I just wanted and if if.

You could to define for our listeners who are either new Christians non-christians. Or they're just not familiar with the term cessationist if you could define that for us a continuationist.

Let's start the one that would marvel get into more. Although it is a second title second tier issue and it affects how we view and she gathers.

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Jealous. Oh, you felt the call. Believed. You believed. You had the call from God to Enter into the ministry. I sometimes. Wrongly, I think use as most of us do the word felt and I apologize for that.

But it is a part of it. I mean, it's not just intellectual knowledge. There is a feeling and emotion that is attached but We can't base our lives upon feelings. So tell us about you your call to the minister.

Sure, so it was my intent in Bible College to ordained with another church. Like I was telling you the pastor terms of now we're going to get into what we did. So it was your dividing line because I called them out looking about that Dividing line.

You had a little over 20 people at that time I'm not quite sure on the number during that time in my hands on Baptist Confession.

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It's not really that little it's about ten times the size of the.

It's true just knowing that I am just Met with me over lunch and services. As I'm doing this I'm going to be teaching that class and until you take dr. Ennis of the class in the form back turn that to be the case and Renahan and starting to learn more about our confession did adopt to the now.

We have we have friends outside of confessional Christianity who wrongly believe that confessionalism is a violation of either sola scriptura or In a more fundamentalist way of looking at it the Bible alone as our sole infallible authority, so How do we?

Briefly because we've already demonstrated in past programs. Why this is not true, but how would you? Put our listeners at ease who are unfamiliar with confessionalism and to dispel these paranoid and false Stereotypes that they may have and I mean obviously there are people who may abuse confessions and treat them equally with the God-breathed canon, but that's a rare thing.

I think but if you could just explain in summary form. Amen. And it connects us with our brothers and sisters in Christ from the past going back to the 17th century and even further before that because they were Not teaching novel things that arose for the first time in the 17th century but it's a guardrail and it's a sign if a church is departing from their confession that they may be Accepting or adopting a novel idea a heretical understanding of certain areas of Scripture, so it is a important part of the I think that the Christian life is to be confessional and obviously the confession has to be biblically sound to begin with and the Reformed confessions are are just that although we would we would disagree on infant baptism and church polity and government when it comes to Our friends who accept the Westminster and the three forms of unity, but those still have much in common with our London Baptist Confession.

You know and just to know that we they we well.

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We are discussing Christians in the military one veterans testimony and counsel. Our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chris arnson at gmail .com. And if you could Brent now focus a bit more on your military experience.

I know that you had mentioned earlier that you didn't really Experience much of a Christian witness anywhere and of course you gave the caveat that many other Christians in the military do have a different experience than your own.

But if you could tell us about that and other negative experiences before you go into the positive experiences that our sovereign Lord providentially Brought to you when he placed you in the military.

Thinking a lot about about this, you know knowing that you and I were going to talk about it I think that young men going in. So can you give us some?

Detail as detailed as you care to. Experiences that you've faced that really were at least from a human perspective. We know that God works all things together for the good for those who are. For those who love God and are called according to his purpose, but as far as a human experience.

What you believe were at least at the time detrimental to you. While you're thinking I'm going to give our email address again, it's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris ARN z en at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least city and state country of residence.

If you live outside the USA only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And one of the reasons that I'm asking you for more detail is because you had mentioned that after you returned home after your experiences in the Gulf War etc. There was Anger and Dissatisfaction and in lack of content and there were things there was a bit of turmoil going on in your life.

And how much of that had to do with your military experience?

Sure. Okay, so that that's that's helpful. I think. Let's listen to the military to be on the two demilitarized zone Terry demarcation line and On the North Korean side there to stay 150 demarcation line.

You do have you know, we never real tribes owned. You know, you are going to have those kind with the enemy. Fortunately for for me Being attached to at that time and then and you would just. I don't have any any really stories Other than the fact hunkered down pretty whack of my legs as I'm in a six pounds on me and I am definitely afraid of snakes.

Nineteen year old young man who had to really keep his mouth shut a poisonous. So born have you. Yes, it does and we're going to our midway break right now.

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