May 8, 2019 Show with Terry L. Johnson on “The Identity & Attributes of God”

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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this eighth day

of May 2019 and I am thrilled that we have returning for a second time

our guest today Terry L Johnson.

He is an author conference speaker and the senior minister of Independent Presbyterian

Church of Savannah, Georgia.

We are addressing today his book his new book the identity and attributes of God

and we're also going to be Discussing and announcing the East Coast ministers conference of the banner of truth

Where pastor Johnson is on the speaking roster and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to

iron sharpens iron radio pastor Terry L Johnson.

Thank you very much.

Well, although you did this on Monday, please let our listeners know.

Again, especially those who missed Monday's show tell us something about Independent Presbyterian Church of Savannah, Georgia.

Well, it's a downtown church five on

the basis of a and it has

Continued and I've been

there since January of 1987

32 in a ministry

and

worship.

And.

Is it still an independent church or has it become a part of a denomination?

Denomination such as the PCA the OPC or other Presbyterian denomination.

We have four ministers and we are all members of the PCA, but the church itself is independent.

It has been independent and it predates the Presbyterian when the

Presbyterian autonomous the

denomination

know over the

decades and well.

Tell us something now about the upcoming East Coast ministers conference being run by the banner

of truth here in Pennsylvania at the Elizabethtown College.

I know that you're speaking.

On the general theme the umbrella theme is I believe in the Holy Spirit.

But if you could remind me and inform our listeners who are hearing you for the first time what?

Subtitle or subtopic you have underneath that umbrella.

Theme of I believe in the Holy Spirit at this conference.

Well, I'm going to weigh in

with

beginning with how the minutes and then

each one

to Substantial

parts of the

gospel or to tone

it down We're going

to be content to

and then I

think that upon the

Holy Spirit.

And that and you

might even say in the medieval

Survey

prayers of intercession

and those intercessions were then further divided into Five different

categories.

For the intercessory

that does

understand in

the public service.

All the prayer genres are going to be present.

You may recall First

Timothy 2 1 2 where

the Apostle should be offered.

When the church gathers all sorts of prayers all those genres all the different types of

prayers for all these it's upon the Holy Spirit.

You're going to be calling upon God giving and confession of

sin and intercession of illumination.

Prior to the reading and preaching and at the end

the former's believed in what they established in their orders today.

Well, if anybody would like to attend that is if you are a man in ministry leadership.

Whether you are a pastor or an elder and I believe those are the same office by the way.

And or deacon or parachurch ministry leader as long as you're a man in ministry leadership.

You can register for the East Coast ministers conference, which is being held from Tuesday through Thursday

May 28th through the 30th and I will be there.

God willing at the Elizabethtown College in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.

So if you attend, please try to look for me ask around say where's Chris Arnzen from iron trip and Zion radio?

The other speakers in addition to our guests today Terry L Johnson Include.

Jeff Kingswood who we've had on this program a real remarkable preacher and teacher.

David Vaughn a Reformed Baptist missionary in France.

Steve Nichols who is the president of Reformation Bible College the college founded by the late RC sprawl and

Ligonier ministries Michael Morales and Chad Vegas who has been a guest on iron trip and Zion

radio as well.

That's Tuesday, May 28th through Thursday May 30th at the Elizabethtown College at

Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.

The website to register is banner of truth org.

Banner of truth org.

Click on events and then scroll down to East Coast ministers conference 2019 and you can also

look up books by our guest Terry L Johnson and other Phenomenal authors that the banner

of truth publishes.

You just can't go wrong with a banner of truth book.

Now the book that we are discussing today as I already mentioned the identity and attributes of God.

This is a beautiful 400 page hardback, by the way.

If you could before we get into the contents of the book I am curious

as to why.

There are three heroes of the faith to whom you dedicate this book.

Stephen Charnock George Swinick and William Gurnall if you could in a

summary fashion.

Tell us why these three heroes of church history.

Which may be completely unknown to the general audience of iron trip and Zion radio other than The more

studious or well -read that reformed listener.

Tell us why these three men are so important to you that you dedicated the identity and attributes of God to them.

Charnock entry so

my title is a play on his title his was existence and attributes.

Mine is identity and attributes and Charnock's work is.

You fail to find the superlatives really to to describe it.

It is extraordinary.

Every page of it is

find myself wanting to underline whole pages at a time

that my background was Charnock

in college a Seminary president by the name of Earl Rotmach

that he challenged

and read Charnock's existence and attributes and he said if anyone will do that I will buy them the copy and

He he you know he referred to several years later called him up and said

1 ,200 pages.

I can imagine he's an English Puritan.

He's writing in them

mid to mid to late to me.

I wanted to dedicate that the book to him and then

Swinick wrote a work I've never heard of until just a couple of years ago, and it was it's called the

incomparable miss of God.

And it's only a hundred thirty three pages, but it too is just.

Extraordinary.

It's a you might call the Reader's Digest version of Charnock.

He gives you an 133 pages.

You know the best of short and just like Charnock.

He is illuminating.

He isn't it's

just wonderful.

Page after page after page and.

Then.

William Gernal's Christian incomplete armors another book.

I was reading around the same time right he

writes on 11 verses Ephesians 6

and Like Charnock and like Swinick.

He doesn't ever seem to repeat himself page

after page.

Threshin

it

just by the time I finished reading these things

and there were others writing the book.

You know I just was left with this.

It's almost as though these men were from another planet.

Where did they get their insights?

How did they sustain it?

Where did they fly in from?

Are they are they a completely different breed of just the depth and the

profundity.

Yet the accessibility of of their writing that

I should let me just tell you this when I finished reading

Gernal.

By the way, I recommend reading people like Gernal

four pages a day if you do that at the end of the year.

You've you've read all of existence and attributes, or you've read all of Christian incomplete armor.

You know you have three pages a day you read over a thousand.

And I think that that's about the right take of the depth of what?

Charnock mid -december complete

it came over me because

William Gernal and

speaking to me

I could add to really the whole study of the attributes.

God started for me by reading knowing God by J .I. Packer.

I read that my junior year got halfway through it and gave up.

And back to it my senior year and read it.

I was so moved where he

was only exchange letters and

1977 to 79 and studied at Trinity, Bristol.

So I've always had this this bias this

Foundational to standing of God

builds on that everything is based on that every error those great

flawed view of the nature of God.

So that's always been on my mind and a conviction that

I.

In.

2013 wanted to provide for the local college students the

opportunity to study the attributes that I felt like I had had by reading.

So I set out on the

attributes in the fall.

She passed it began for local

college

banded and

grew.

How much benefit I was getting from it and what I hope to pass on

my congregation.

The difference between the book and the The sermons is.

Most of the sermons did not have all of the quotations.

Avoided that some of the very best of them, but in the

book itself I wanted everyone to have the wonderful

illuminating when

a few Henry

Matthew put up the name.

Well before we go into some of the attributes of God and I already know Looking at

this nearly 400 page book that I'm going to want to have you back if you are so

Desirous yourself Perhaps in June after the banner of truth conference because we're all

full up in May now, but I'd like you to Answer

the question in a summary fashion if someone were to ask you like I am going to do right now

What is the identity of God?

That might you know take years to answer or you could give us a synced Summary of things that are

vital and necessary for a Christian Orthodox biblically sound

Answer to that question.

So how would you answer in a succinct fashion?

What is the identity of God.

Well, I'm making a distinction in the title itself between identity and attributes because I

wanted to deal with God as creator God providence or God as

governor and and God as father.

So those are aspects of his identity.

Exactly attributes.

So you when you talk about attributes, you have to communicable which are true of God alone like God is infinite

eternal and you have

communicable attributes.

Those are which he passes on to us that we can share

holiness and

Righteousness.

You have the two kinds of attributes communicative identity.

God is our maker.

God is our God is our father of

the who God is.

I think we needed to know okay.

This God is the one who created all.

God is the one who sustains all and this is these are the characterist

Attribute of attributes.

Well, I'm gonna

give our listeners our email address right now.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own for Terry L Johnson on the

Identity and attributes of God our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com

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least.

Your city and state of residence in your country of residence if you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous if your question

Involves a personal and private matter.

Well, let's start with what you call the badges of divinity in

a series of Explanations of the Incommunicable attributes of

God those that you just mentioned that God alone possesses, okay.

Yeah, go through in more detail some of those things that if you're giving an orthodox Description of

God and of course since we have finite fallible and sinful minds

We can never plumb the depths of a complete and perfect definition or explanation, but there are

those things that You would have an unorthodox or even heretical

understanding of God if you didn't include them.

So what if you could even go into a broader explanation of the incommunicable attributes?

There is the badges of divinity

praise that I borrowed from 19th century.

Yeah, I actually love him.

I've done a couple of programs on Brother at Thornwell with my friend Jeff

Waddington, and I believe one or two other guests who discussed this

hero of the faith and interesting view of of Baptism that

many Presbyterians today disagree with because Thornwell did not believe that we should embrace

Roman Catholic baptism.

But anyway, that's just another topic for another day.

What.

But if continue.

Well, the you know, they are

all of the other attributes

in the shorter catechism.

They begin with God as a spirit infinite eternal and unchangeable.

The

introductory

Attributes infinite eternal is

infinite with her.

He was

eternally holy.

He was he is.

So the incommunicable attributes sometimes called sovereign attributes or power attributes.

They're the attributes that in which we have no share at all.

They are the goddishness of God.

You could almost say the thing that that makes God God is the.

Are these incommunicable attributes?

God is independent.

He is self exist.

We are none of the above.

We are dependent.

We are

not.

God is unchanging.

We are not.

We are constantly changing fluctuating.

Changing our mind in our outlook.

God doesn't change his character doesn't change

unreliable

way.

I've

treated

infinity

as I Applied in infinity to various fear.

So God is some with power.

So he's always omnipotent.

He's infinite in connection with time.

So he's eternal.

He is omnipresent.

So

communicable actor another that people don't

speak so much about is that God is the simplicity of God.

God is a Unity and the attributes and indeed are not different parts of God.

God is thing with an aspect of his immutability.

He doesn't he doesn't change.

He doesn't have body parts or passions.

As.

Profession of

faith and the theologians.

These are all

act.

We tend to think of God as a larger rather

than in being of a higher order of being right

beyond us.

I don't think anything could terrify me more than viewing God as a larger version of myself.

I.

Think God is independent.

This is

why the prophet

Isaiah will say look his ways are not our way are not our thoughts.

The Apostle Paul Who can move

known?

He's beyond but able to know him comprehensively.

We can know him truly, but to the Almighty.

He's we are finite and he is infinite and That

should always be kept in mind.

Yes, and I think that when we do I think that we are more likely to all Before him and worship

him one on the same level with us.

Amen, and brother if you could remember to keep your your mouth as close

to whatever microphone or device You're using because sometimes you get a little muffled and sometimes you're crystal

clear.

So whatever you could do.

Yeah, whatever you could do.

That'd be great.

We do have a listener in White Plains, New York.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York.

Who asks, how do you explain how.

God.

Well, I guess we're gonna have to wait for our guests to call back.

Our guest Terry L Johnson just got disconnected obviously and Hopefully he'll be calling back momentarily.

But while I am waiting for him to call back.

Let me repeat our email address for those of you listening who want to join us on the air with a question.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

And and here's and brother Johnson.

Are you back?

Hello.

Yeah, that's strange.

I am going to read RJ's question now and we'll I'll have you answer it when we return from our first break.

RJ in White Plains, New York.

He says How do we defend the immutability of God the fact that

he never changes and Yet there was a point in time in history when

Jesus Christ Who always existed as a part of the Godhead even before he

received the name Jesus?

Became incarnate in the womb of Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Therefore there is a change that took place because of the fact that the second

person of the Trinity took upon himself human flesh and Remains the

God -man for all eternity something that he was not Prior to the incarnation.

How do we explain this?

Without robbing God of his immutability in our explanation.

Of course, we can never rob God of it His immutability but in the way that we describe that

we may give people an erroneous or heretical understanding of him and we'll have you Answer

RJ's question when we come back from the break.

And if anybody would like to join us on the air our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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We are now back with our discussion with pastor Terry L Johnson author

conference speaker and senior minister at Independent Presbyterian Church of Savannah, Georgia.

We are discussing his latest book the identity and attributes of God.

And we're also announcing the East Coast ministers conference of the banner of truth.

Which is being held from Tuesday, May 28th through Thursday, May 30th here in Pennsylvania at the Elizabeth

town college on the theme I believe in the Holy Spirit and our guest today Terry L Johnson is

one of the speakers.

If you have a question for Pastor Johnson our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and pastor Johnson.

As you most likely recall before the break.

We had RJ in White Plains, New York asking how can we explain the? immutability of God

while at the same time Teaching accurately that there was a point in time and space

in history When the second person of the Godhead who always existed and still exists for eternity

became incarnate which was a Change of sorts that it that took place

involving the Godhead if you could.

How did those two things coexist?

How do we explain them correctly?

They

him without confusion.

What we have in Christ human in the

divine of an

eyed man.

And and he is not a humanized the deity united in

the one person true humanity and true divinity.

But each retain the point of the

incarnation divinity.

It's that divinity In was united in the person of

Christ with humanity.

This does not involve an alteration of the immutability of God.

In fact, it presupposes it it was it was only

because Divinity was united to humanity.

To use one example would be so

it was necessary for there to be an incarnation

Value so Christ suffered in his human nature and it was necessary for

God to become man because God in his own nature is incapable

incarnation priest the ability of God both.

Because God cannot suffer in his own nature.

It was necessary for divinity to be joined humanity so that in the in the one person of

Christ Suffering could take place in in his

humanity not in his divinity the divinity as the

explains upholds And adds value to that suffering but the suffering takes

place Within the human nature.

So you have the union without confusion.

I know there's a very many ways.

It's beyond deep.

It's beyond me also.

But I think if you know the writer to the Hebrews for example makes

necessity of the Incarnation if there was to be suffering in connection with

the

poses

Immutability.

Mm -hmm, and I think that it's important to keep in mind to the the Bible

utilizes Anthropomorphic language throughout and this is where the Mormons get get very very

confused.

They're not having an arm.

God is a physical being and they don't understand that

the Bible is utilizing Anthropomorphic language speaking of God as though he were a man for the

sake of our Ability to comprehend what he is speaking of so

that there is that in God which corresponds to a hand power

but.

But we're to understand that that he does not have a hand.

How do we know that he does as

the children's catechism say God is God is a spirit that has not a body like men.

So in the same way Language that speaks of God repenting and

changing and these sorts of things.

I think that we have to understand those Anthropomorphic

speaking of God in human terms so that that which corresponds to

in human actions Finds a point of contact with with

God.

God is acting we do when we repent.

But we're not to think that God changed his mind.

I mean we change our mind.

Because we're taken by surprise by something because there's some unanticipated Factor that

comes to play so we decided we do one thing and and now we have to change and decide to do something else.

Or we learn something new.

Well, that's never the case with God.

He's never learning something new.

He's never becoming something other than he was.

He is always omniscient Always aware never taken by surprise and

so

well.

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Just a a quick comment from Tom and West Islip, Long Island, New York.

God's suffering is impossible without incarnation makes so much more sense.

Now.

What a great point.

Thanks a lot, Tom.

Let's see here we have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania and

Susan Margaret asks What do you think are the primary errors

within Christendom today in the 21st century, especially in? regard to the

identity and attributes of God.

Primarily those things that are left out of a proper description by many pulpits

today and many popular Christian preachers teachers and writers.

I.

Think the most obvious one is that the love of God is

preached what we perceive of as his harsher.

Yeah.

I Packers said

years ago

and That is I think the case when it comes to dealing with the attributes if you don't preach and teach the whole

Council of God.

And all you ever say is that God is love which is a very important foundational

fundamental truth Cherished by believers everywhere.

But God is love.

But God is a lot more than love.

God is also.

Light.

Same formula, you know saying grammatical construction.

God is love.

God is light.

God is a.

At the

end of Hebrews 10 even

holiness of God.

Judgment day eternity heaven.

I think those are the those are the mistakes of our era.

I think that we want to talk about the positives.

I think we want to encouraging or to

find to be uplifting and quote -unquote and ignore

Realities, which is there's a judgment day.

Why is there a judgment day.

Because God is just because God is holy.

Because God is righteous.

God is going to vindicate his holy name, and he's going to punish evil

and that's why.

There is a cross and that's why Christ came and why Christ died.

Sort of the fact that we only preach the love of God.

Undermines our gospel altogether.

That's the irony of it in the name of the gospel people preach only about the love of God the grace of

God, but by doing so you actually

pull the rug out from under the purpose behind the incarnation and

the purpose behind the atonement these presuppose.

Humanity is in need of salvation salvation from what salvation from damnation a

Damnation because of what.

Because we're sinners.

Condemnation of a just and holy God.

The problem with the truncated gospel of our day is that it is in

in the long run.

It is self -devouring it is self -destructive it undermines the reason

for the gospel itself.

When we I was just saying the other day

that was a You know, there was a rugby player in Australia who got booted off of the

national team because

was asked about homosexuality and he quoted 1st Corinthians chapter 6 and and said that you

know that it was sin and That God didn't approve of it and the such shall not inherit the

kingdom of God.

So they wouldn't be going to heaven and there was a megachurch Pastor there associated with

Hillsong throw this Christian

rugby player under the bus and say well, I believe that God is love and Then

he yeah, I believe there's sin,

but you know.

But what I really believe in is that God is is love and that Jesus came to save.

Well, the obvious question was save.

From what and I just thought it was completely irresponsible.

When you have a layperson

enough to stand up and say what he believed and here's this pastor of a megachurch and

May there was distance between Him and

a rugby player.

I thought it was irresponsible.

I thought it was cowardly.

Yeah, obviously and a.

Congratulations to that Courageous rugby player.

He probably didn't view himself as being courageous just telling in plain simple language what he believed.

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We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who asks

Pastor Johnson, are you familiar with the controversy that is currently roaring on?

Especially amongst Reformed Baptists over the impassibility of God.

It seems that both sides of this conflict are Saying they

truly do believe and believe that it is a vital teaching that God is immutable.

But both sides disagree on whether or not his emotions have any

fluctuality or changed.

Even the side that believes that there are God's emotions do change do not believe anything

catches him by surprise.

And they do not believe that God has emotions just identically like a human.

But they do believe that there is a variation and fluctuation.

That he for ordained before the foundation of the world as a part of his own being.

So if you could let us know.

What you think about this controversy if you're familiar with it.

I'm somewhat familiar.

I think

it's a very

the deep thing

languages used and how that relates to the language of emotion and

And how that in turn relates to I

think it's I think it's a very difficult Subject I think that it's undoubtedly the case

or relatedness to

eternality all the incommunicable after

you give up impassibility you end up eroding the foundation for the others

for eternality and

immutability and other crucial doctrines, and I think that that's not always been

appreciated and So it's very very careful

thought has to be done.

God is never the victim and He liked the language that the that the

caller used

Chooses his responses.

He's not a victim.

We are a victim of our emotions.

And I think it's essential that we understand that God never Is a victim

he's never caught off guard

God what God doesn't doesn't do.

He chooses to do in God the core

and yet is very very different from ours for example God doesn't have a body so what does it mean to have emotions

when you emotions are our

significant degree of physiology?

Our emotional response is significant degree

physical response.

And if we're not careful We'll find

ourselves Given that

eternal and unchanging that God is perpetual

and grieving.

Because sin is always taking place in in massive

Quantities all over the globe and if God is Angry in the sense that human

beings are angry then God is perpetually miserable and that can't be

I think the picture of heaven That we get from the Bible is heaven is a very happy place and God is a very

happy God.

Heaven is a place of joy heaven is a place of celebration.

Heaven is a happy place.

God is a happy God and So however, we understand a

language of emotion as it's attributed to God.

We need to make sure that one that we don't make God of him further that we

envision that that God is is is made miserable.

By that we don't do and

I think that I think

that are going to be surprised at the strength to which

the older climate and I

mean the classic Protestant writers, I mean people like John Owen and

Jonathan Edwards to name two Stephen Charnock to name another.

They affirmed the classic doctrine.

The Westminster Confession says that God is without body parts and passions.

And something in God that corresponds to emotions but we need to understand them very differently

than our own the Bible means what it talks about the emotional life

of talking about is God Responding to us as we do

when when

we are

typically what the Bible means by it when it uses this kind of anthro Morphic language

where to understand this is God is acting in a way that

peril we When when we are

characterized by the given emotion that's being being described.

Let's see here.

Oh you before I go to our next listener question when I have spoken to my brethren that

are on the side that Does not have a fully confessional understanding

of impassibility.

No, none of them that I know would say he would outright deny his impassibility.

They would just say that they have a different interpretation because they would say that God does not

Have passions like a man, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have passions or emotions, but

they are afraid of portraying a concept of God who is much

like a Perfect and omniscient mr. Spock,

you know from Star Trek Who was just devoid of emotion.

Other than when his his human side erupted on occasion on the TV program Star Trek but you know what

I'm saying that where Love is not really a deep and profound and amazing love and wrath

is not really a frightening and terrifying wrath.

It's they would claim That if you deny any kind of change of emotion in him

that it muddles those things and makes them less.

Severe if you follow what I'm saying and does it in your opinion, I

gotta say these are this is a this is very nuanced.

So Pat J. Packer would say God.

Well, that doesn't mean he is immutable unmovable or that he is.

So God is responding.

But he is responding is not Is not

responding.

Um, we're

unanticipated or taken by surprise or shocked.

So that is I

think you have to be very nuanced when you when you when you get.

When you when you start to dealing with these things.

There's things that we have to affirm and then there's things that are just a mystery to us.

So God's truth doesn't change and don't change.

He is never others

the way we talk about these other things so that we don't turn God into

an object of pity.

So they're victims so they don't have these kind of poor God appeals.

He's so frustrated and you know, he didn't anticipate.

So that we end up with

again we end up with a God who's just a bigger size a larger size version of ourselves.

And not not one who compels our worship and adoration.

And.

Does not him and

The mind of the Lord.

We have Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina.

Brother.

Terry it always seems that we hear from the world and even from the Evangelical Church.

About nothing but the love of God.

This is something that you said earlier.

So maybe Grady didn't hear that but as you know, we all deserve his wrath.

Have you included a section on his wrath?

How important is it we stress the wrath of God when sharing the gospel.

The justice.

Two chapters on the holiness of God and to

chapter justice

I elaborate on the Apostle Paul's declaration that God is just and

just the fire of the one who has faith in Jesus.

I don't think that we can

comprehend the gospel without justice.

The gospel collapses.

It doesn't make any sense.

You know James Danny a 19th century Scottish theologian lived into

the 20th century.

But he wants to use the analogy

Straight

how much I

love and he hurls himself off of the end of the pier and drowns himself.

Well, he demonstrated

lover as he demonstrated that he's a fool.

Drowning

drowning you are saving somebody from their own death.

So greater love has no men than this and you lay down his life for his friend.

It must be that you are saving someone.

And unless Jesus is saving us from something His death becomes incomprehensible and these

other attempts at in the moral theory of the atonement of

these others.

What they lack is that from what is

his death saving us from.

He's saving us from our own death.

Or more eternal death from damnation from the wrath of God from the justice of God from the day of judgment.

From condemnation for our sin.

He's bearing our guilt.

He is our substitute.

He is dying in our place in us

true.

Then we just lose the whole gospel and I think that that's what's happening in the evangelical world right

now to

the gospel because What ends up saying.

I cannot say anything that would be disturbing to the unbeliever that might frighten them.

I'd chase them off that he might of which he might disapprove.

And so I end up watering down Tony the just

side of Just and justifier and what I do so against the gospel.

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Joey and Clifton, New Jersey says dear Terry.

Thank you for your comment about the formula of union without confusion.

It is very important to avoid christological heresy as a general principle.

I think the hypostatic union is quite clear.

My question involves how to view the union and operation of Christ's two natures in

General during his life and ministry for example in his stages of growth in

stature and knowledge Times when he apparently exercised or not exercised his divine attributes,

etc.

Can we make any general systematic statements about this?

Is it that although in Union? Christ chose to sometimes not

exercise the prerogatives of his divine nature it seems that in some sense

this must have always been the case or Alternatively was the

distinction in the natures in some way related to the phenomena we see in those cases.

Can you shed any light on a systematic? View of this and I wish we would stop getting these moronic

simplistic questions from.

Anyway.

Well, I you know, I have four

Gospels and I'm I'm working my way through the Gospel of John the second time and

I don't.

You know, I've not checked this out with other people, but I don't think there is a systematic way to determine that.

I think you have to look at a crime.

Calling

upon the Holy

is calling upon The father to

him in response to

the prank even the raising of Lazarus

Jesus calls upon the father.

So was that Jesus exercising power or was that Jesus

maybe that

there's a clear answer in that example than in some others.

But I when is he drawing upon his

performing miracles

off of a

job?

These are the Sun

for example when

Jesus says no man knows

other knows.

They're clearly.

Jesus is not Knowledge of

his divine nature.

He's not allowing that knowledge into his human consciousness.

Now how exactly that works?

I am not able to say but I know that as the second person of the Trinity and the eternal Son of God

He is omniscient.

He knows all things but that knowledge was not allowed into the human consciousness.

So that he could honestly say no man knows and including the Sun.

Everything he did not know as as that he

grew he

did not know it in his humanity that would have been Available to him in his divine consciousness.

So again, you have Union but not confusion.

He was a truly a man human

life, which meant he

grew present in the divine consciousness was not president.

So can I conclude by just saying this is a mystery for us?

Is it not?

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answer the question when we return.

This is nearly identical to a question that we received earlier in the show.

I think it may have been Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, but there's a Significant word

change in here that may change the answer.

Lou from Sharpsburg, Georgia says what do you believe is the most neglected attribute of God within?

reformed Christianity today before it was really just a general question about modern -day Christendom and

evangelicalism.

But what do you think is the most?

Neglected attribute of God within reformed Christianity today, and we'll have you answer that when we return.

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And pastor Johnson as I read before.

Lou from Sharpsburg, Georgia Asks, what do you believe is the most neglected attribute of God within

reformed Christianity today?

Well, I would say the one that that I was.

Hmm.

Is that and I think it's

probably God is a theme that was very common

amongst reformed authors.

And it is and it relates in a significant way to impassibility and immutability.

But I Had never seen it really developed and actually though one of the authors you'll be happy about this as a Baptist

I think one of the the author who who who developed the thought more than any other book

of those that I read was John Gil they They are the old Baptist

theologian from nearly back to the pure John Gil

Broke down the blessedness of God into I don't know four or five or six different categories.

And I've I've written on this it didn't make it into this book.

But if there's a second volume, there's a whole two chapters on blessedness and to give it give you an

example of What we mean by this.

John Owen, let me if you don't mind I'll quote a quote a little bit from Bowen.

Owen said if God be properly and literally angry and furious and wrathful.

He is moved troubled perplexed desires wren revenge and is neither blessed nor

perfect.

That which is inconsistency is not to be

ascribed to God to do so cast him down from his excellency.

Can he be blessed?

Is he all?

Sufficient who is tossed up and down with hope joy fear sorrow repentance

anger and the like.

And of course his answer priest of God is a being

possessed of the most Absolute perfect and he is free

from everything.

That is contrary to happiness.

So that that those statements are rather typical of our theological and ecclesiastical

Ancestors ironically given the you know, the public image

that and reform people more generally

have so warmly of The

happiness of God one more from Edwards God is infinitely happy in

himself.

There is no such thing as any pain grief or trouble in God.

He is perfectly and unchangeably happy absolute happy with all possible happiness.

There can be no proper addition to the happiness of God.

Because it is that which he eternally and unalterably Had

oh, that's that was an aspect that I had not thought of before.

I had not considered this as an Attributes

and I learned a lot from the older authors.

Hugh Martin this 19th century.

Scott was another one who wrote Significantly on this on this subject and it was interesting

when I preached on this in my congregation.

It was so warmly received by the members of the church.

Because they too had never thought of it that way.

They had not thought of heaven as a happy place and God as a happy God.

They had thought mainly of God as you know disturbed and in turmoil and

Census and not

really about so that was that was eye

-opening for me.

It was eye -opening and it was very refreshing to give consideration to this

Theme that I here to for had not encountered.

Well, thank you so much Lou and you have our last free copy of the identity and attributes of God.

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Let me close the program with a question of my own.

The shorter catechism Asks what is the chief end of man as you know?

And the answer is to adore God and to or glorify God and enjoy him forever.

What does it mean to enjoy God?

Present I Think there's an enjoyment from the contemplation of his identity and attributes.

But I think that it goes beyond the mental.

I think that there is a an enjoyment a fellowship a Cognizance.

Of the Psalms I think are especially helpful with that.

The psalmist can speak of partaking of the fullness delights.

His loving -kindness is better than life.

He has the deer that pants for the waterbrook thirsting for the presence of the Living God.

How lovely are thy dwelling places O Lord.

A day in his house is better.

And then Jesus said that he's the bread of life and

Whoever feeds upon him will never hunger and thirst again.

And of course, that's the hunger and thirst of the soul.

He's speaking of The quenching of our hunger

within our souls that comes from knowing Christ knowing God in Christ.

And so I think the experiential dimension is Crucial and I think you have a very truncated understanding

of the knowledge of God if it doesn't include the experiential dimension.

To know there's knowing God and then there's knowing God.

Amen, in fact, even though that's the first question of this shorter catechism.

It's amazing to me how much I think reformed Christians have lost that sense of enjoying

God.

But I thank you so much Pastor Johnson and by the way, I am a reformed Christian for anybody

I'm giving a critique of my own people here.

But uh, thank you so much for being on the show today pastor Johnson, and I look forward to your return.

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