Matt Slick Live: August 15, 2024

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The Sabbath, the Mosaic Law, and the Meaning of Rest in Christ

All right, buddy. Welcome to the show. How are you doing out there? Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. We have three open lines right now. You can also email me at info at CARM .org, info at CARM .org.

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But we'll see. Anyway, like I said, if you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276. Let's just jump on. Oh, today's date. That's right. August 15th. Do that for the podcasters and stuff like that, because sometimes they need to know.

And for strategizations, strategery, I think it's called. All right. So, hey, look, let's get to Kara from California. Kara, welcome. You're on the air.

Hello. I was the last caller two days ago, and you didn't get enough time to answer the question that I had. The question is this. Why was a man stoned for carrying sticks on the Sabbath in numbers 15, while Jesus's disciples were allowed to pick heads of grain on the Sabbath in Matthew 12?

Because in number 15, they were breaking the law, they're in their theocratic system, they're not to do any work. Heads of grain is not work. It is feeding. And you're supposed to eat on the Sabbath. But to carry sticks, according to the law, you could do it a certain distance, but not very far.

The idea was not to do any work because the rest of the Sabbath ultimately represented Jesus Christ's sacrifice and the rest that we have in him. And so to work in that context was to violate that principle of our salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, and what God has done in the person of Christ alone.

So eating is not a work. It's not doing anything other than what is normal for every day of the week. Okay, that's all.

Okay. And it seems to be a also a question of what necessity is. Jesus made it clear that acts of necessity and piety were allowed on the Sabbath. And I was thinking, was it possible that the man carrying the sticks did so out of necessity?

Or in contrast, did the disciples really need to pick heads of grain to eat on the Sabbath?

Well, they would need to eat heads of grain because they're eating. But the movement of sticks, you know, if a stick falls and going to hit somebody and you stop it and you move it and throw it away, that's not a work.

Even the law says you can take a cattle, you know, whatever it is, out of a ditch on the Sabbath. It's a lot of work to do that, but it's to save life. It's to make things better. And so that's the idea.

What the Jews did back then for that kind of thing is they turned it into a super detailed list of do's and don'ts of righteousness. So by the time Christ came along, even to pick a head of grain, oh, you're violating the Sabbath.

And they weren't violating the Sabbath. So it was what the Pharisees mistakenly concluded was that it wasn't forbidden in the law. OK.

Is the function of the man carrying the sticks, it isn't specified in scripture. And many commentaries, they state that he could have been intending to light a fire, which would have been a violation of scripture, because in Exodus thirty five, three, it condemned, condoning a fire and one blowing place on the Sabbath.

However, couldn't that be an act of necessity, like to warm himself or something?

Perhaps. But obviously, the one who did that in Numbers 15 was breaking the law. A lot of people think that just if your intention is good, therefore it's OK. It's not always the case. Now, it does matter in the issue of law and murder, killing people.

If you accidentally kill somebody, you're not to be held responsible the same way. It was an intention of murder. So intentionality does have a lot to do with this. In the instance in Numbers 15, an individual was breaking the law of God.

Whether you, you know, you know, I was an illustration. I lied about all this and that because I intended to do good. Well, you know, lying is not justified even in a condition like that. So we have to go with what the law of God says, particularly those people in the Old Testament had to.

And so the man who was in that position was was breaking the law. So that's just what it was.

And he was in trouble. OK. All right.

OK. I think that's it. OK, here's a principle.

This is a principle. When you come across stuff like this in the Old Testament, put Jesus there, put the crucifixion there and and see what's going on. It's like in Second Chronicles 20, a bunch of people were coming down to destroy Israel, going to destroy Israel.

And God said that this battle is not yours. This battle is mine. And he wiped out the bad guys. Why? Because if the bad guys had come down and destroyed Israel, then there would be no Messiah. So that makes sense.

Oh, I get it. So God intervened on this because he wanted to make sure that the people of Israel would continue and the Messiah, Jesus, would be born and we could be saved. So then you go, oh, I get it.

And that's why he would say the battle is not yours. This was mine. So when you put Christ in there in the Old Testament, when you have questions, you have doubts, put them in there and see if what is happening represents Christ.

So if the man was carrying sticks, the violation on the Sabbath, because the Sabbath is a day that Jesus, excuse me, that God rested. But he created six days on the seventh. He rested. Now, it doesn't mean he was tired.

It just means he rested. And the Sabbath ultimately points to Jesus, because Jesus has come to me. All who are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Matthew 11, 28. And also in Genesis chapter five, there's a genealogy between Adam and Noah.

When you put the names of the Hebrew names in English, you get a sentence. It's appointed mortal men. Sorrow, the blessed God will come down when he dies. It will come bring into the despairing hope or peace or rest.

And so the you can even see there that the gospel message is in the Old Testament encoded and the necessity of of obeying the law was several reasons. But one of them was to show the holiness and separateness of the people of Israel compared to other nations.

Another reason was to show that the law, it can't save us. This is why it says in Galatians three twenty four that the law is a tutor that leads us to Christ. The law is that thing that shows us we can't keep it.

Deuteronomy 27, 26 says that you could do everything in the law and the law is summarized and love God with everything you've got and love your neighbor as yourself. I can't do those. So I can never fulfill that law.

That's the requirement of the law. It shows us that we can't make it by what he does, by what we do, only by what Christ does. So the law leads us to Jesus. It breaks us and it destroys us to show us that we need the gospel message, which is the in Galia in Greek, which is the good news you and Galia means good news.

And so the good news is you don't have to keep the law to be saved. You're justified by faith alone in Christ alone. So numbers 15, the man on the Sabbath is working. It's like saying, but he's not doing it, but it's like this this typological thing that he's trying to earn his salvation by doing good works on the plate in the place of the Sabbath, which requires none because it represents Christ's crucifixion ultimately.

And this is why he was in trouble. So when we have someone who gets something to eat on that Sabbath day for food, it's OK. You feed a sick, you help people and that's OK because the intention there, the law and the aspects of what you do is not to thwart the issue of the rest in Christ ultimately, but to continue our life and do those things.

Now, if someone has to move a pile of sticks to stop a fire to stop something that's going to fall on somebody that's that's permitted in the law, but it's not the issue of doing works and construction to make yourself better or whatever it is, make a home, make a bed, make whatever on that day not to do that.

OK. OK, that makes sense. All right. Well, good. Can I ask how old you are? Just curious. You don't have to tell me, but I'm just curious.

Yes. Thank you very much. OK. All right.

All right. God bless. All right. So it's Kara and I enjoy those kind of questions. Good stuff. All right. If you want to give me a call, eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Let's get to Peter from North Carolina.

Near-Death Experiences and How to Test Them by Scripture

Peter, welcome here on the air. Hi, how are you, Matt? Pleasure to make you doing all right.

Hey, nice to meet you. Yeah. OK. Question, I'll leave it with you. I really don't have an opinion one way or another. I'm just really curious from your biblical standpoint, how to how to understand this.

I've been reading a book, Imagine Heaven from John Burke, and it's been interesting about near death experiences and just all the experiences folks have had. And I'm curious about your perspective on salvation.

And it seems as though when they have these experiences, it contradicts biblically the idea of accepting Christ before your death as opposed to after your death. And it seems like many of them have some kind of conversion or some kind of experience after death.

So I was just curious what your thoughts were on that. And I'll stay quiet and just listen to your answer, if that's OK. That's sure. That's fine.

First of all, there is a recorded NDE in the Bible. The second Corinthians twelve, two through four, Paul says, I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago, whether in the body, I do not know or out of the body, I do not know.

God knows such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man, whether in the body or apart from the body, do not know. God knows was caught up into paradise and heard in the confessable words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

So it's a biblical. All right. So what do we do with these NDEs where people, they meet Christ, they see things, they have demonic experiences, they have all kinds of things. What we do is we judge them by scripture.

If they have an NDE and whatever state condition they're in, that says some entity says, oh, everything is OK. Jesus is just one of the ways to God, et cetera. And then it's obviously a demonic influence upon that person.

So we have lots of NDEs and I've studied them. I've read a few books on them over the years. And the NDEs are very interesting. I like talking about them. They're interesting to me. But I don't have any problem with them.

I do have a problem with I should say this. I do have a problem with them when what anybody says contradicts scripture. Then I know that they're wrong. Now, what happens when you have someone who's an atheist, let's say, gets in a car accident, near death experience, is attacked by demonic forces, whatever it is, and then he wakes up and he's alive and he doesn't want anything to do with that.

And he comes to Christ. Is that fair? Is it workable? Sure. No problem. Because he has not passed over permanently to that position, that state. We don't know exactly how it works with people who are dying.

The brain can be alive for minutes after breathing stops. You can be decapitated. Your brain can still function for a while until the oxygen destroys the brain or lack of, I should say. So we don't understand exactly the spiritual nature of how it all works.

So what we have to do is just go with what is observed. And so if a person dies, he's not permanently dead any more than second Corinthians 12, two to four. The person was permanently dead. So in that sense, comes back, receives Christ and then he dies.

I don't have a problem with that. And we have a break coming up. So hold on and then we'll get your comments after the break. OK. Hey, folks, if you want, you can give me a call. All to do is dial eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

We'll be right back.

It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. I guess we lost that caller and that's all right. If you want to give me a call, the number is eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Real easy to do.

We have wide open lines. So about NDE's. I enjoy all kinds of things and, you know, I don't I don't enjoy sports. I don't watch sports. I don't care about that stuff. I like documentaries and science fiction.

And I'm kind of nerdy. And one of the things I'll do is read different kinds of books on different topics and philosophy and quantum physics. I like near death experiences. I'll read about the occult UFOs.

To me, that's kind of fun. All right. So these NDE's. I've read varying stories of them and were people who have died or technically dead on the operating table or whatever situation. And they somehow make it back.

And sometimes they'll talk about what happened. And I talked to a man in Salt Lake City years ago. I forgot his name. And we met when I was down there once. And he talked about how he was shot and how he encountered things in the afterlife with God.

He's a Christian and he survived, of course. And we were talking about it. It was really an interesting story. I was the only one I've ever met in person who's had such an experience like that. He says, oh, yeah, it's all real.

It's there. And, you know, Jesus is real. And so NDE. So like I said, it's in Corinthians 12, 2 through 4, where Paul says, I know a man, whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know. So this is an interesting thing.

See, this theology or this scripture deals with a couple of topics. Near-death experiences, but also with something else called substance dualism versus property dualism. Property dualism is basically what materialists hold to.

It is the teaching that the physical brain produces the mind. So when the physical brain ceases, the mind ceases. So each is tied to the other. And the mind exists because of the physical brain. So that's called property dualism, which means that a mind of a person is a property of the construct of the physical brain.

Now, this is a problem, and I'll explain why and other stuff. I'll just talk because there's nobody calling right now. The other view is called substance dualism. And that's what Christians hold to, substance dualism.

That's the view that the mind, you know, the soul, the mind, whatever we think we are, is separate from the body so that when the physical brain ceases to function and dies, we continue on afterwards because we're a different substance.

It's called substance dual to dualism. Property dualism is simply the view that the physical brain produces the mind. And so when the physical brain ceases, the mind ceases. Now, there's a problem with that.

So one of the things I'll do with atheists is I'll ask them questions and they're getting more savvy about this stuff. And they don't want to fall into intellectual and logical traps. So what I'll do is I'll say you're an atheist, right?

And I'll say, yeah, that's OK. Do you believe in anything supernatural? And then they'll say, well, no, there's no God, no spirits, no angels. It's OK. So then does everything operate under the laws of physics in the entire universe, chemistry, physics, motion, matter, all that?

They say, yes. Then I got them. OK, I'll show you how. So then that would mean, I will say to them, because now we're talking property dualism, that would mean then that the physical brain produces the mind, right?

They'll say yes. And it means the physical brain must operate under the laws of physics and chemistry, right? Yeah. Can it violate those laws? No, it cannot. So then what you're saying is that one chemical state in the brain that leads to another chemical state in the brain produces, well, your thoughts, your intentions, right?

OK, here's a question. How does one chemical state that leads to another chemical state in your brain produce proper logical inference, logical thought? Now, at this point, they come up with all kinds of things and all I have to do is wait and say, well, your chemicals in your brain made you say that.

It doesn't mean it's true. Let me give an illustration of something. Let's say we're in a big laboratory with a gigantically long table. We have all kinds of chemicals and wires, electricity and diodes or whatever, not diodes, but, you know, chemicals and and wires and stuff like that.

Let's do that. And we have a source of current electricity. And then we take two chemicals and put them together. Does that produce logic? Well, of course not. Well, let's say that we have 50 chemicals.

We put wires between them. Does that produce logic? Well, no. When does logic occur in such a construction? Because that's what the brain is, is a set of chemicals that are interconnected, a set of neurons and electrical relationships that occur.

How does it produce logic? How does it produce truth? How does it produce true moral values? And they can't answer it because it's just a necessity of chemicals reacting. That's all it is. If it's the brains under the laws of chemistry.

Now, this means then that you can't know from that perspective. You cannot know if that position is true, if property dualism is true, which is materialism. Materialism necessitates property dualism. Materialism is that the material world is all there is.

There's no God. There's nothing, etc. OK. So then if the physical brain is nothing more than a reaction of stimulus to stimulus, sight, sound, taste, etc. And your brain is connected to the senses. The senses produce a lot of chemical reactions in the brain.

Those chemical reactions are just chemically necessary. How do you get truth out of all of that? How do you get logic out of all of that? They can't justify it. This means that a position casts doubt on itself because you can't trust that your conclusions are true under such a perspective.

And so, therefore, when you have a position that refutes itself, the position is not true. Hence, property dualism is not true. Materialism is not true. Simple. And that's what I do. And I have fun talking to atheists about it.

And you should see how they squirm. Let's get to Corey from South Carolina. Corey, welcome. You are on the air. Corey, are you there? Corey, Corey. OK, I'm waiting for you, waiting for you to say something.

I hear a little bit of noise. So I think you might be struggling there to do something. Maybe you can get me. There you go. All right. OK, how are you doing?

I'm doing all right, man. Doing all right. So what do you got? I want you to break down the difference you made between the Pharisees and the Sadducees and the scribes as far as why they didn't really like Jesus that much.

Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes in Their Rejection of Jesus

Well, why different people can have different reasons for that, why they wouldn't like Jesus. But let's go over the differences between them. A scribe is basically his job is to copy the law. They're scholars generally because they're in the law constantly.

And we've got a break coming up. So let's take the break. We'll get back and do this again afterwards. OK? So hold on, buddy. All right. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick live. Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right. And welcome back to the show. All right. Let's get back on with Corey from South Carolina. Corey, welcome. All right. Let's let's start this over again. Go ahead.

I was trying to get into the difference between the Pharisees, the scribes and the Sadducees and what happened to them. I know they don't exist anymore.

But what happened to them? Well, they they were they were doing very well, popularly speaking, during the time of Christ. Then the Jews rejected the Messiah. And then in 70 A .D., there was an uprising against the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire then set in, sent in a lot of people in an army and wiped out Jerusalem and basically destroyed much of what Israel was. So the scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees at that point then were dispersed and the offices were kind of wiped out a little bit, even though there were still some who adhere to certain principles as they scattered.

OK. I got you. All right. Anything else? All right.

Yeah. No, we do it, man. We do it. Thank you very much.

All right, brother. God bless, man. All right. OK. All right. Now, see, next longest waiting is Rebecca from Salt Lake City. Welcome. You are on the air. Rebecca, you're there.

Hello, Rebecca. We're waiting for you. Waiting for you, Rebecca. Hi, Matt. How are you today?

I'm doing all right. Doing all right. So what do you got?

I've talked. Well, I've talked to you before. I can't recall. It was perhaps a month ago. And I told you about my near-death experience where I hit a semi in where I was taking out my jaws of life. And I died periodically for about a half hour.

But my brain, you can see my brain and part of it fell out, whatever. So I have extensive memory loss. But I told you at that time that when I came back, I didn't see anything. And if I did see anything with my memory, I don't know.

But I just came back with almost a smile on my face. And don't very peaceful, a peacefulness I've never experienced before and have not. So I don't know. Yeah. What do you say about that?

Well, that's common. People very often don't they don't recall anything. I've talked to people who, you know, and that's that's normal. It's within the realm of what happens. Some say they see things, some say they don't.

OK. OK. All right. I thought perhaps I was missing something. But anyway, I mean, it's true. And another thing that's kind of bothering my heart is when God, he gives certain people faith and other people, he grants faith and other people, he doesn't.

And I know he's a fair and just and holy God. But to me, that seems unfair. Can you clarify that for me?

Well, if it seems unfair, I can understand why you'd say that. But we have to have a standard of what is fair and not fair. The standard has to rest with God. And so when people I talk to them and they'll say, well, you know, God, it's not right for God to do that.

Really? Who said? And where do you get your standard from? So if it doesn't seem to be right, then you have to ask yourself, well, where am I getting this intuition from? Because intuition is subjective.

People can have varying degrees of intuitional awareness. And, you know, my wife and I, we've been married 36 years and she might see something a little bit differently than I do.

And well, I have a lot of intuition and I can see things are going to happen before they don't. And my mother had it and some of my sisters do as well.

Yeah, that's. I'm familiar with that as well. Clairvoyance, as some call it, and in words of knowledge, words of wisdom. But yes, I understand. OK.

OK. All right. So can you clarify that a little bit more? Why he would give some people faith and others not again? So I can really understand it.

He does so to some and not to others because of the of what his desire is. And he doesn't tell us. That's it.

Oh, so it's just unknown to us. Yeah, it's a mystery.

It's yeah, he doesn't tell us why. Because the Bible says he grants that we believe. Why doesn't he grant it to everybody? People will say, well, God won't violate our free will. That's not true. You go to Psalm.

I mean, Proverbs 21, one where it says God moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go. And so people that they very often do is impose on God a value they think is true. This is a very serious problem.

It's in the Christian church. So we have to judge what God says. So God does according to his will. And you can read this in Romans nine, nine through twenty three. But it doesn't mean God's arbitrary or he's mean or he doesn't want people to get saved over there.

And he has reasons that we just don't understand. And so what we need to do is just submit to it. So I don't get it. You know, because think about it. He he appeared to Paul, the apostle. He saved him.

Well, why doesn't he do it to everybody?

Like I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And he has like just to biblical history. He selected only certain people like Esther and the the prophets, you know, they were all very special people. I think Paul was too.

Do you know a lot in the Bible?

Yeah. So God chose Israel over other nations. Well, why didn't he choose the other ones? That's his choice. And people don't have any problem with that. But they don't like it when God chooses one person for salvation or to grant faith because they want God to do something differently according to what their system of thought is.

And this is this needs to be addressed in the church and rejected in the church. OK. OK.

I understand a lot more. Thank you for clarifying that for me, because I know he's a god of mystery. Yes, indeed. Yeah. OK. OK. Well, you have a blessed day.

Thank you. You too. God bless. All right. Let's see. Glenn from Virginia. Glenn, welcome. You're on the air.

The Torah, John 1, and the Gospel Connection to Jesus

Yes, Matt, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Yes, I can. So my question is, in the first five books, how is it connected to Jesus?

Very easy. I'll show you. So what we can do is go to Genesis one and John one. All right. And we can see the connection right there. So if we go to Genesis one, verse one, all right, do this right here.

I'm going to read it to you. And we'll go to John one, this New Testament. Right. OK. So it says in Genesis one, one, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth in John one. One in the beginning was the word.

The word was with God. The word was God. It says in verse two of Genesis and he the earth was formless and void and the darkness was over the deep of this and this deep. The spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

God said, let there be light. And there was light. Now, let's go back to John. He, the word was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him. And apart from him, nothing came into being that has come into being in him was life and the life was the light of men.

The light shines in the darkness and the darkness is not comprehended. So we go back to Genesis chapter three and continue to read, says God said, let there be light. There was light. Verse four, God said, so the light was good.

And God separated the light from the darkness. So you can see right away that the gospel of John, the beginning ties Christ himself to Genesis chapter one and created order. OK,.

I got one more question. And how does OK now in the first five books, the people that I talk to, they say that that when Jesus died, it didn't line up with. The you know, the time, the time didn't line up to how, you know, the Sabbath and the the his resurrection lined up.

He said it didn't line up. So how does that line up?

Well, when these people say this, it didn't line up. I'll say, show me the documentation. Don't just assume that what they're saying is true.

Right. I don't see it. And I talk and I talk to them, you know. Yeah. OK, go ahead. Ask, ask them to prove it. Ask me, show me the verse.

I'll do this all the time. Show me the scriptures and let's see. Don't assume that people who hear things down the gossip line and they repeat it to you, now you've got to answer it, refute it. No, just go show me where it says that.

Show me this. Show me that. Show me the verses. Show me the scriptures. Let's talk. And if you don't have that ability to show me what it is, then you're just essentially you're spreading gossip and you don't want to do that.

That's what I'll do. Yeah. OK.

All right. All right. I'll go with that. All right. I appreciate you.

God bless. God bless. All right. OK, let's see. Let's get to Jose. Jose from Texas. Jose, welcome. You are on the air. Hey, how are you doing? Doing all right. Hanging in there, man. Hanging in there.

Oh, there's a break. There's sorry about that. There's the music. So hold on, brother, OK? We'll be right back. All right. Hey, folks, we're right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

Christians, the Democratic Party, and Political Responsibility

Matt Slick live. Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right. And welcome back to the show. Let's get back with Jose. Sorry about that. Break timing there. All right, man. What do you got, buddy?

Oh, hey, hey, hey, Matt. Hey, man, just quick question. I know this is a pretty heated subject with the upcoming elections. Should Christians encourage the body of Christ to take a stand or, you know, to vote against the Democratic Party?

Now, what he's saying is I'm not endorsing Trump. I'm not you know, I'm not saying Trump is a Christian. No, nothing of that nature. But for all we know is that Trump is not on that side of that agenda.

So I don't know. What do you think about that?

Well, it's a difficult thing. So in my opinion, I don't see how any knowledgeable Christian could be a Democrat if they know the Democratic Party stands for because it's the party of pro-slavery back in the 1800s.

KKK, also in the early 1900s, it was the KKK and Jim Crow laws. And, you know, I talked to Democrats about, well, we've we've we've changed. Well, the slavery issue is still in effect with them because they they enslave people through through giving them money, you know, welfare.

Right. And they're now dependent upon the state, the master to take care of them. And that bothers me. Plus, they welfare is OK for the people who need it. You know, I'm not knocking it. It's just there's way too much.

And they need to get off off of it and work whenever possible. I get that. But also the issue of of killing the unborn. This is ungodly, pro homosexuality, pro LGBTQ, pro woke. All this stuff is insane.

How could anybody's a true Christian, true Christian ever support the Democratic Party? I don't get it. Well, is the Republican Party that much better? Well, it is a bit much better, but it's still problematic.

They're compromising. We have a problem. Now you got Trump. What do you do? Well, Trump. OK, he's got some he's got some problems. But we look at Biden and Harris. Oh, my goodness. These guys are socialist Marxists, and they want to promote killing the unborn and the promotion of LGBTQ and the attack on Christianity and Christians and so many things.

So what we have to do is balance our needs with with what they are presenting and with scripture. So I offer this to people. What if you had an atheist, an atheist who's running for office? And this atheist guy or girl, call him a guy for now.

Let's say he believes in the Constitution. He does not believe in shoving the LGB to the alphabet mob mentality down everybody's throats. You let the states decide. I mean, I'd be like, yeah, who is this guy?