April 5, 2021 Show with Dr. Carl Trueman on “The Rise & Triumph of the Modern Self” PLUS Dr. Jeffrey C. Waddington

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Carl Trueman on The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self

And I'm so thrilled to have back on the program Dr. Carl R. Truman, esteemed church historian who previously served as the William E. Simon Fellow in Religion and Public Life at Princeton University, author or editor of more than a dozen books, including The Credal Imperative, Luther on the Christian Life, and Histories and Fallacies, and currently professor of Biblical and Religious Studies at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania.

Today we are going to be addressing his brand new book, The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to Sexual Revolution. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Carl Truman.

It's great to be here, Chris. Thanks for having me on.

Oh, it's great to have you on. And I'm also thrilled to have joining me as a co-host for the first half hour, while Dr. Truman is with us, and also transferring over to my guest for the remaining 90 minutes of the program we have today, Dr. Jeffrey C. Waddington, who is pastor of Faith Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Fawn Grove, Pennsylvania.

He's an author, a conference speaker, vice president of the board of directors for the Reform Forum, and article editors for the Confessional Presbyterian Journal. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to the program, Dr. Jeffrey C. Waddington.

Oh, it's always a pleasure to be here.

Amen. It's great to have you on all the time, brother. And I want to give our email address immediately, because Dr. Truman can only be on with us for the first 30 minutes of the program during previous scheduled appointments that he had.

So, if you'd like to join us on the air with a question, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence, if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And before I even ask a question, I just want to read a really powerful endorsement for this book by my friend, Rosaria Butterfield, who has been a guest on Iron Trump and Zion Radio a number of times, and has written a glowing endorsement for this radio program as well.

But Rosaria Butterfield, who, by the way, if anybody listening is unfamiliar with her, she is a former lesbian and also a former leftist professor at Syracuse University, and she doesn't mind that description.

She is very open about her left-wing fanaticism at one time before coming to Christ. But she says, this is a characteristically brilliant book by Carl Truman helping the church understand why people believe that sexual difference is a matter of psychological choice.

The Cultural Catalysts Behind the Book

What was the most compelling factor that you saw happening around us today? Not only the things and the issues that challenge the body of Christ, but even things that are corrupting our world in general that led you to the point that said, I've got to sit down and begin writing an answer to the rise and triumph of the modern self.

What were the catalysts involved in that?

I think, above all, it was when Bruce Jenner slash Caitlyn Jenner came out as transgender, and it became obvious that gay marriage in the culture for the previous decade, really, that gay marriage was not going to be the end of the revolution at this point, but it stayed in the book, wasn't it, for a long time.

Yeah, one thing that fascinated me when I was broadcasting live out of New York years ago from 2005 to 2010, actually, when I had addressed the issue, or should I say, most of the time when I had addressed the issue of homosexuality with a guest who had written on the subject, or perhaps I was interviewing a former homosexual or whatever the case may be, there was a listener on Long Island who would frequently call in when we actually had call-ins rather than email questions from the audience, but a guest would call in who was a licensed professional psychiatrist who was openly identifying himself as a liberal and most things political, and yet he knew that there was something tragically wrong with homosexuality and something that was tragically dangerous about it to the human psyche and to humans in general, and he saw that there was a lot of dishonesty going on in the world in regard to this, including it being entirely removed from the psychiatric journals as a mental disorder, but so there are people even outside of our conservative Christian circles that are viewing this issue in quite a startled and disturbed way, aren't they?

Oh yes, yes, and I think that the book I look at in many ways are very courageous. Yeah, it's quite fascinating how sometimes things arise where the most conservative of.

Evangelical Christians and even fundamentalists find themselves side by side with feminists on issues. In fact, it was pretty much for decades we were in agreement on many things involving pornography, being mutually opposed to it, and now the transgendered issues where women are being stripped of their rights, ironically, and even you have people who identify themselves as homosexuals being opposed to much of the transgender movement's activism,.

Aren't they? Oh yes, I mean I joked to friends that you know you're getting a good goodie, not a badgie, but you're up to a year or two ago. So you would actually describe what's.

Going on as a revolution, I know. Can you tell us something about the architecture of the.

Revolution? Yeah, debating the limit of the idea of debate. Now we're going to expand highly by whether being fundamental to who we are. We see that really gaining pace in the 18th century with the French philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseff's romanticism.

In the 19th century, we see major assault on the idea that moral shit comes in different forms. Karl Marx attacks it from a kind of Hegelian position that changes over time. Nietzsche just gets rid of the whole metaphysics of human nature and it's only a matter of time.

Human Nature, Gnosticism, and the Body

And I know that Dr. Jeffrey C. Waddington loved.

Your book, and I know he's chomping at the bit to ask a question, so especially since Dr. Truman can only be on with us for 30 minutes, why don't you ask what's on your mind before we run out of.

Time? Sure. Yeah, synthetic, drawing, Gnostic development, Gnostic-like development, psychological, give us some broad strokes. Yeah, and I think the key issue there, Jeff, and that is that authorization of that, think about that statement.

I'm pretty sure that was not the case, Jeff. I'm pretty sure it wasn't. I don't doubt that either, Jeff, but you know, it's the sign of the... Well, I have seen Jeff kill and eat a squirrel with his bare hands, so I'm just...

The very fact that your bodies are not things that we inhabit, like we inhabit a house or a suit of clothes. Our bodies are actually who we are in a deep, profound way. And being that we're bodies also means, yes, who we are is, we are those who are totally dependent, we become more independent, complete, and that's a good...

We need to hold on to it. We tell ourselves things in emotions, actually incapable of accounting for...

Dissident Christianity and Survival Under Surveillance

We have a listener who happens to be a dear friend of mine dating back to the 1980s. Her name is Dr. Latane C. Scott. She is an author herself, and I've been pleased and blessed to have her as actually a guest on my program a number of times.

And she has written, among her many books, she has co-authored Talking with Teens About Sexuality and Protecting Your Child from Predators. She co-authored those with Dr. Beth Robinson, and she was so excited that you were going to be on the program today, and she has submitted two questions for you.

Dr. Latane C. Scott says, I know that Carl and Rod Dreher are colleagues. I greatly admire the thinking of both, and I thank you, dear friend Chris, for having Carl on your show. I would like to hear Carl's thoughts about the mechanics of forming a dissident body or bodies of believers.

That's her first question. Yeah, it's an interesting one, and I mean, I think that is, I do think it's very difficult for Christians, impossible, which must be the site look different in what we engage in hospitality.

I think when I grew up, aligned with the biblical ethic, even though, but we can no longer make that assumption, so I think very proactive. And Dr. Scott also says that she was reading chapter two.

Of the Gulag Archipelago, and how the Russian government efficiently shut down all dissidents, given that surveillance has gone far beyond 100 years ago, and is now an advanced art in the 21st century world.

How can we expect that dissident Christians can survive?

It's fair, and that's a very interesting question, because

Thank you for your excellent questions, Latane, and please give me your full mailing address in Albuquerque, New Mexico, because you have just won a free copy of The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, compliments to our friends, or of our friends, I should say, at Crossway, and also compliments of our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, cvbbs .com, who will be actually shipping that book out to you once we have your full mailing address.

We have, I believe, a first-time questioner, but I'm not 100 sure, Johnny in Ocala, Florida. Johnny asks, now this is a question that could get you and Jeff in a lot of trouble, but I'll have you both answer it.

Has the Orthodox Presbyterian Church been infiltrated with any of the sexual identity issues? I guess what he means by that is people affirming the LGBTQ community's definitions and so on, and instructions and dictates, I'm assuming that's what he means, but I'll start with you, Dr. Truman.

Do you care to answer that?

I'm not aware of that. Now, Jeff, he's probably maybe dealing with this, I guess, dramatic, that movement. Now, Johnny has a question for Dr. Truman, a second question,.

That I think is an inside joke, perhaps, but he says, Dr. Truman, have you ever had a student.

That was as culturally hip, HIP, as Charles Williams? Well, Johnny in Ocala, Florida, give me.

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The Hope of Christ and the End of the First Hour

Jeff, I know that Dr. Truman has to leave shortly, so I'll give you.

The honors of asking him a final question. Thank you, Dr. Truman, for an excellent contribution to.

Our program today. Do you have, in a minute or so, before you leave, any summary of what you want.

Most etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today? I think a couple of things. One, I'd want something played out in front of our eyes. It's the result of a long stage, so that's not a cause.

One is, and then the second ground for hope, of course, is the obvious one, at the gates of hell. Amen. Well, Dr. Truman, I hope that you could come back as a guest soon and often on the program, and hopefully next time for a longer portion of the two-hour show.

Amen. God bless you,.

Brother. And we are going to be continuing this subject with our co-host, Dr. Jeffrey C. Waddington, and if anybody else wants to join Dr. Jeffrey C. Waddington with a question on this subject that we are continuing for the remaining 90 minutes, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, we were privileged with the presence of Dr. Carl Truman on our program for the first half hour to discuss his new book, The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to Sexual Revolution.

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Dr. Waddington, this issue, unfortunately, as was hinted at by a listener question, although he was incorrect about any apprehension as far as your knowledge, or Dr. Truman's knowledge, about the LBGTQ agenda having been infiltrated as of this point into the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, and I'm sure what he was referring to was actually in the leadership amongst those who are preachers and teachers and those that have a realm of authority there.

Thankfully, you both were unaware of that, but it is, as Dr. Truman just mentioned before he left, it has seeped into to quite a significant degree in the Presbyterian Church in America, the PCA, and of course we have to be quick to remind our listeners that there are many, many fine, outstanding pastors and Christians in the PCA, so we cannot indict the entire denomination for this.

But what would you say are some of the most dangerous aspects of this whole mindset that are being endorsed by otherwise conservative Bible-believing Christians, even Reformed Christians who believe in biblical inerrancy and agree with us on many things, but on this issue they're putting their own spin on it?

What would you say some of those issues and approaches to those issues are?

Well, while it's interesting how all these ideas are filtering down, or later, weddings, I think will become more, are becoming more common, not will become, but are becoming a more common issue. Carl did make reference to, of course, they wrote things about how does the church...

What I mentioned earlier when I asked Dr. Truman the question about, you know, the LGBTQ involved, their identity is going to have to. It's not an apologetics book, call it that, of the ocean. The rise and the triumph of the modern set depended upon college campuses who react to having conservative speaker, university, and this is...

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Banu Gadi earned a doctorate in pharmacy degree and is very knowledgeable on the current coronavirus pandemic. Please contact Dr. Gadi so he and his expert staff can give you proper guidance amid all the contradictory confusion we are all hearing in the media.

To find the pharmacy nearest you, call 516 -354 -2000. That's 516 -354 -2000. Or order online at leesdrugsrx .com. That's L-E-E-S drugsrx .com. Don't forget to ask about their discount generic drug program.

Greetings in the.

Matchless name of our Lord Jesus Christ. My name is Banu Gadi. I'm a pharmacist in New York, which is the epicenter of the latest crisis the world is going through. In Psalm 139 verse 14, the psalmist offers praise to the Lord like this,.

I praise you because I'm fearfully and wonderfully made and wondrous are your works that my soul knows very well. He saw God's goodness and mercy, kindness, and the beauty in what God has designed, and he has erupted into praise.