Cessation vs. Continuation

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Yeah, screw your freedom there you go. Arnold, yeah, that's a great quote from Arnold, huh? Arnold, you know, if you don't like America you could go back to well wherever you came from. The country you left because of the lack of freedoms there.

Yeah. There was a reason he came here just because he liked freedom. Yeah. Oh, we got a captain Black Eagle is visiting from Tampa, Florida been was down there recently everybody so. Hmm are you distracted by something there?

No, I'm looking at. I got new computers. All right, so I am Andrew Rappaport and I'm not co-host here pastor Justin. We're gonna talk about. Well gifts tonight, huh? What do you got? Yes, somebody gave me a gift.

Someone gave you a gift. I got I got a gift to today. My gift is not a mug. My gift was a bunch of. Someone didn't want me to know that they gave this to me because they gave it just a return address.

No name. But let's see. I got a critical race theory Southern Baptist Convention and a Marxist solution that won't work. I got is that really the name? Yep. There you go. Yeah, I got this one. It says s is for social justice the language of today's cultural revolution the dangers of the truth of social justice.

Earth Day and a total transformation for the post-christian world and then a book. This is a book not these are all booklets the book The Good Shepherd calls so to whoever sent that out. I would say I appreciate it Jeffrey.

Oh. Yes, I guess you weren't as good at hiding your your name for me. That's okay. Well, come on. Thank you well. Really like I get I this actually looks like some you know. When I get things in them in the mail from the ministry and they don't have a name of her phone address I usually get nervous and so you're holding something up, but we can't read it because it's too small a font.

So, you know, why don't you just tell us what it says the cradle the cross and the crown?

Andreas Kustenberger. Okay. I've gotten.

About 300 pages in I've got. This is for the New Testament Studies class. It is Incredible if you want to know detail. If you want to know some detail on Intertestamental period or any issues with the scripture?

They've had this is really good. Yeah, so the yeah, we had I've done in the past or once a while I get really strange in the ministry and One of the ones that we got I remember we're getting a notebook and the guy I mean like almost everything was in red text except a little bit in black, but it was basically like the guy was adding to scripture and he was Giving judgments on like, you know, Hillary.

He was naming all the people that were being able to judge Hillary Clinton Bill Clinton Trump I mean like every every politician every Person that's in sports. They were all gonna be judged by this guy.

He was speaking for God. It was just it was literally like 90 pages of ramble. It was like, okay. Why did this person send this to me? Oh Wow, that's really the thing. I sometimes wonder but but these actually look like books at all.

I'll read and enjoy. You know, you get gifts that you could use. I usually get gifts that I guess I don't right. Well, okay.

I speaking to gifts. I got this.

My beautiful wife holding something up that we can't hold it up the old and the new.

Okay, this is from dr. Michael block. He's my hermeneutics professor at the Shepherds. He's it's understanding the New Testament and authors as they quoted the Old Testament, it's. It's it's incredibly good book.

Phil Johnson's much guys. I guess one or standard. They stand behind it. John MacArthur. Well, and.

Really really good. Okay. Well we have our you know, we always have to give the quick Writing of Captain America. There he is. Chris on holds. He's saying hey all plugging in before I start my drive home.

So we are gonna be driving him home. I'll be throwing at mighty shield, you know, hey, I saw that that mr Han holds host of voice of reason radio was with dr. James White. There's a picture of the two of them together and and and James White speaking of gifts got a gift of an Ultraman which I have no idea what that was, but I guess it's was announced on his show and I think he got a gift too, but I don't know if I'm allowed to name that.

I'll leave that up to mr. Han holds if he wants to say what was in his hand because I I vowed I wouldn't mention.

That little true man is Ultra man is the guy that fought Godzilla, I think I have no idea. Well, this is like back in the yes.

Some better stuff here. Okay, we're gonna we got to talk about tongues and things so let's let's start since you got your chart there of logical fallacies over your shoulder. We're gonna have to pick one and so, you know.

What might be fun is we should probably let the audience just pick a row and column and let them pick one. Then then we then I can't get blamed that I knew which one you were gonna pick. So maybe maybe Chris Han holds while he's driving can give us a row and column.

Maybe not. No, he should be driving. Five there's five. Oh, it's five and five. So let's go first with the the row and then the column. Okay, the first person to put in into the chat a row and column.

We'll pick that one. For the so KT says to row to column three. What is that one? Okay begging the question. Begging the question. Well, we did that one last week. Yeah, okay, but we didn't do that. We did do that one last week, but what we'll explain it for this week.

Maybe some people didn't listen to last week so begging the question is a fallacy and you're gonna read that to make sure I get this right, but I may not be worded exact but begging the question is a fallacy where you are you actually are trying to prove.

The very thing that you have to accept in the argument. So in other words you you state something as true the and that's the very thing you're trying to prove now the example we used last week of that is the example of well things like the dot this source document called Q you have to assume it exists in order to Believe it now.

I'm gonna use that same begging the question fallacy for our topic tonight. I had a I was involved in a debate on the issue on this very topic of the sensation or continuation of gifts and The person his name was.

You know, I'm gonna I'll leave the names out don't want to you know. Get the guilty looking bad, but the person who is taking the position that that tongues continued till today. He made the statement right at the beginning which was That if you you cannot understand the Bible unless you believe that the gifts continued.

And so right there that's a begging the question why because he's trying to prove the gifts continue from Scripture. But he's saying unless you first accept this you won't see this in Scripture well, that is a begging the question fallacy a bad argument to be made by the way is to say that we only see the continuation of the gifts if You see them In in by looking at them first accepting them and then you'll see it in Scripture.

Well, duh, of course you will. So that is a bad thing to do logically. All right, so let's get to the issue now I'm gonna let me I will drop into the chat here two links so this first link is to an article that I wrote many many years ago called the biblical view of tongues and the second one is Is.

Let's see it is.

Have tongues ceased so I'll drop those two into the link. So you guys can go and look at those if you want to. We're gonna I'm gonna reference some of those when we talk about this issue of tongues continuing.

Actually when we talk about gifts continuing. We first with the first article I gave is an overview of 1st Corinthians 12 13 and 14. Why those. Because those are the ones that deal the most with it and I want to just say that what most people do is get This the whole way of looking at this passage incorrectly.

Why? Let's look at 1st Corinthians chapter 12. High-level just giving a high-level view what you have in 1st Corinthians chapter 12 Is the idea of the diversity of gifts? The focus of 1st Corinthians chapter 12 is that we all will not have the same gift now if the argument is that everyone should have the gift of tongues as some claim Then 1st Corinthians chapter 12 is wrong.

Okay, if the the sign of baptism of the Holy Spirit is the gift of speaking in tongues Then that would say that everybody must have that gift and the whole purpose of 1st Corinthians chapter 12 is to say that God gives Each of us different gifts and within the body of Christ.

We all have different gifts, but we act as one body so Someone has a gift of teaching that doesn't mean everyone has a gift of teaching but one two, three. However, many will have that gift. Some are gonna have a gift of mercy.

Some are gonna have the gift of exhortation administration these different gifts. You're not gonna have just one gift. By the way, you're gonna have the Holy Spirit at salvation gives gifts. Now, let me for folks who may be new to this topic let me make a distinguishing factor between a talent and a spiritual gift.

A Spiritual gift is something that you get at salvation. It's a something that the Holy Spirit gives to you. A Talent is something you're born with. So I'll use myself as an example. I Was born with a talent of organizing.

Now Justin, maybe you've heard me use this example. I liked to organize everything which made my sister by the way very unhappy because as a child her room was always compared to my room and my room had Everything where it needed to be.

I was one of these kids that Would when most kids when they're in first and second grade, they would run out to after lunch. We'd run outside to the playground and everyone wanted to run around and play.

Not me. It frustrated me to no end when everyone would just drop their lunchboxes on the on the ground there and When they would drop their lunchboxes. They would be disorganized. So what I would do in my lunchtime.

Organize all of the lunchboxes in size order, by the way, Justin not just not just in Random, I mean they had to be in size order. I kept them kind of color-coded where where they would be. This was the thing.

I've been cursed with this all along when I got married my wife first. Yeah, well because when I got married I tried to explain to my wife that okay when we do laundry like all my shirts I have to be long-sleeve then short-sleeve.

The long-sleeve button-downs by color short-sleeve button-downs my car and then other you like the the pullovers and thing. She just looked at me and said you got one of two choices. Do your own laundry or let me put it any way I want.

She had the spiritual gift of leadership.

I'm not doing that. Yeah, exactly. Exhortation. But I always had the inkling the Idea and the way of organizing things that just came natural to me. Some people are have a talents in other ways. Music, you know, whatever some people are just natural leaders or teachers.

But a spiritual gift like for example the gift of teaching. I never desired to teach before I got saved. In fact, I hated to be in front of people. But when I got saved I Started to enjoy explaining to people that the truths of God's Word or other things and I started to really enjoy teaching.

That is a spiritual gift. That's something I got when I got saved. But I also believe that I got not just that but there are other gifts as well. You I think the Holy Spirit gives a different amount of gifts things like you know.

Mercy exhortation giving. Justin. Do you have the gift of giving by any chance? Well, not. When it comes to you, I'm trying not to be too giving, you know, I was gonna give you the missionary handshake.

Your hand out in front of you. Oh, I'm sure you were. You know, you're a pastor you've met missionaries before so so you have so let's just distinguish what a talent is versus a spiritual gift. When the Holy Spirit gives gifts, he gives gifts for the purpose of benefiting the body of Christ and so when we have those gifts.

What we end up seeing is that These gifts are meant first off for the body of Christ not for ourselves. Second off that we end up seeing is that these gifts are To bring us together. So within the body of Christ, we should have all the gifts represented in one way or another so when someone says that everyone should be speaking in tongues because that's proof of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

That would go against 1st Corinthians chapter 12. So let's just get some basic things out of the way now. Is that proof of baptism of the Holy Spirit. Now we have to get into more definition of terms here.

Justin.

Okay, just about to ask you if you're gonna give me a term for what the baptism of the Holy Spirit is.

So well probably because you have read my book. What do we believe? Yeah, we explain some of these things so baptism of spirit is different than The indwelling spirit different than or sorry different than the filling of the spirit.

So when we talk about baptism of spirit, it is a one-time thing that happens at salvation. Notice what I said there at salvation. We'll see that in 1st Corinthians chapter 13 Of 12 and 13 that we're all baptized into one spirit.

So what you end up seeing there is we have one baptism of The Holy Spirit that's when we're immersed with spirit. That is what we refer to as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is part of the New Covenant promise that we see in Jeremiah 31 and in Ezekiel 36.

I think so what you end up seeing there is The promise that we would be indwelt with the Holy Spirit no longer needing a priesthood to teach us God's Word. But the but the Holy Spirit would indwell us and illuminate God's Word to our understanding.

That is the baptism of the spirit that's different than the filling of the spirit the filling of the spirit is Something that you have over time you you may have this the filling is more of a controlling and influencing where the spirit Comes upon you for for something in ways where he leads you guides you and in those times He can come and go the filling is something that comes and goes where the baptism is once at salvation and you have that The filling kind of comes and goes now why make this distinguishing?

Well, the distinguishing of these two things are important because When we look at these two Most people will confuse the two of them and when people confuse the two of them What ends up happening there is that people end up?

Going and starting to refer to the baptism of spirit as something that can kind of come and go. Well, I Put this comment that Melissa Owen says that referring to my book. What do we believe says? It's an excellent book Andrew.

My daughter stole it from me, lol. Well, that's not good. Melissa. Maybe you need to contact me and we need to send you another one. Just saying I would I would do that even for would I do that for you Justin send you?

I don't think you would. I've been waiting for mine. I gave mine away to somebody. I've never seen it since.

You're waiting for for Anthony to send it to you see. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah, where's he at now?

Let's say I think he went to is.

Helens or something. Yeah, actually, that's right. He is in Mount St. Helens today. Yeah, it should be a Mount St. Helens headed up to Washington he'll be preaching this weekend in Washington doing a Training up there.

So he was in Portland. I think last weekend. So he is he's doing the north the the Northwest tour and Taking it all in. Yeah, he did send us a message said that let me get the exact wording He said just got done at Mount St. Helens.

Absolutely stunning. So I I don't look good I don't think that's his first time but it may be he and I were up at Mount St. Helens But I don't think we were we didn't go up to the mountain. We just went to the Creation Center there that's there.

So what's Melissa saying there Justin? I'm sorry. She says, oh, that's that's sweet Andrew. I would pay for another because it's worth it to support you. Oh, oh That's pretty nice. Thank you. Justin. That's that's.

That's good, you know. So so what we end up seeing with these distinguished marks is the baptism spirit one time that's the indwelling the Controlling of the spirit or what the scriptures would call filling of the spirit that can come and go.

Okay, this becomes an important distinguishing when we talk about these things now first Corinthians chapter 13 Overall of that book. What's the chapter? What is the issue there? The issue there is the priority of the gifts and they're the idea the whole issue of chapter 13 is Justin what is it?

What's that chapter all about when one word?

Church I'm gonna say that church administration.

Love you go ahead love. Okay, you're gonna go love. That's the passage that everyone reads at weddings, right? You said chapter 12, right 13. I'm sorry. I thought you said 12. Yeah, we used with chapter 12.

We're now well, you went pretty fast. I gotta ask you question before you go any further. Will you you know, keep up with us? Okay, you want to ask her question?

Okay I'm gonna ask you some questions before we go any further because I'm gonna actually push on some of these things because I want to I want to make sure that that everybody has the the the same.

We're at the same point of view. Well, you know, we actually announced that I I'm I'm the sensationist and you're the continuationist, right? So so we'll just state that for the record. No No. We're both sensationist and if anyone wants to challenge us or debate us they need to do apologetics live .com.

Exactly that there at the at this on stream yard. So now I'm gonna point out for everybody that I'm not a sensationist.

I'm a cessation. Okay. Yeah, he says he says sensationist and I'm like, I'm not sensational. We sneeze with that stuff, okay, there you go, there you go. Okay. So here we go. Um, I Wanted to find terms here in we see in the scripture that there's About four main passages really that deal with the spiritual gifts a lot of people say so What are the spiritual gifts and where we find them and and the spiritual gifts?

Three main passages and one sub passage. Go to roleplay, okay Katie says I thought you have some roleplay. But anyway, so we see that there are three main passages that kind of deal with the the spiritual giftings and what they are.

According to the scripture and and that's where we have to keep our definition at we I mean today the spiritual gifts are you know, but what is it toking the Holy Spirit and You know, I'll just all kinds of crazy stuff.

Holy gibberish and This is it doesn't matter what it is. It's just they just throw it out. But we have to stick to what the scripture tells us is the spiritual gifts. And so, you know, I mean if you want to look at say for example Romans 12 6 through 8.

That'll that'll tell you that we have we have gifts that are differing according to the grace that given to us and Each of us is to exercise them according accordingly and then we find out that there's prophecy In the proportion of your faith and some of those that are teachers, you know as Andrew said a moment ago Those that are teaching the those that do exhortation.

The ability to give is actually one of those gifts as well so, you know if you've got it and you you can give it to the body of Christ and. And the entire context for the for the vast majority of this is dealing with the body of Christ so.

Give liberally those that need. Did you see what I did there? You're talking about the gift of giving. Look look down there. Support us at striving for attorney org support. They were just I'm sure you said if you know I'm I'm trying to work with you here.

If you have the gift of giving make sure to please do and we could we could use the support.

You just have probably for the you know podcast listeners. There you go.

There you go. But one thing to make sure of though is that you're you're giving and supporting your church first and foremost. You know, we definitely believe in that and that's what this is really discussing and that's why I was talking about church function because this is most of this is Seen inside the body of Christ as we as we outdo one another in love and good works as we show the world our love for each other in the body of Christ and so we look at Those who show mercy with cheerfulness Those who lead with diligence, but it also says in verse 9 Romans 12 9 let love be without hypocrisy.

And so this is all about loving. This is all about the idea of Being a loving cheerful giver to the body of Christ verse 13 says Contributing to the needs of the Saints and practicing hospitality. So this is not about for our own personal benefit.

This is about how we serve and love one another so Let's see. Let's go to another another passage just quickly. We're in Romans 12. I'm sorry. First Corinthians 12. We have a comment.

That you have there. That's one asked of you. Is there such a gift of deeper understanding of the scriptures and not? Devoiding and it says devouring but they later corrected devoiding from it. But understanding it.

Sorry if that's confusing. Really? So I guess the question is is there is there such a gift of having a deeper understanding of scriptures? No, that's the role the Holy Spirit plays in our life. And that's the process sanctification.

Yeah. Yeah, and so that's not a gift and what Justin's doing is giving the list of gifts. Yeah, Romans 12 is one. Now, where are we gonna go?

Well, we're at first. Corinthians 12 4 through 11, I believe. Yeah.

It doesn't make it says. Remember that that's Romans Romans 12 and first Corinthians 12.

Yeah, and and that's actually in the first Corinthians 12 gives us two sets of lists. So so that's really easy for you to understand Romans 12 first Corinthians 12 and the two sets of lists and first Corinthians 12.

Um first Corinthians 12 actually gives us. Now now there are a variety of gifts with the same spirit and there are a variety of ministries with the same Lord. There are a variety of effects. But the same God who works all things in all persons.

But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. We go on and we say for One I'm sorry for to one is given the word of wisdom Through the Spirit and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit to another faith by the same Spirit and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit and.

To another the effecting of miracles and to another Prophecy and then we go to another the distinguishing of spirits to another various kinds of tongues and that's kind of Where we're at. What I want to want you to notice is this is all given according to the the very gifts from the Spirit.

It's not what we manifest or what we produce and muster up. But finally it says in verse 10 it says. To another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all of these things. Contributing to each one individually just as he wills and that's very important to understand, you know, and if you want to jump in real quick.

What's the main thing that you see in that section. As you're looking as you're looking and studying that what do you what do you what do you see pulled out of there? You mean as far as the different gifts?

Yeah, what do you see that? Well, let's let's not say the gifts. For example, but what do we see that? Well from the Spirit. Yeah, and so what we have to understand in this is all of these gifts are given.

Not all to one person but they are all possessed by one right God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit and We say it in theological terms that Christ Perfectly manifested all of the gifts. He was the only one that ever manifested all of the gifts perfectly and the Holy Spirit gives to each one of us as He see fit.

We don't muster him up. And so that's where I want to want to make sure when we're talking about tongues and all these spirits.

So so and and so that's chapter 12. Let's let's dig into chapter 3 because I want to give an overview and I'm sure you know folks if there's folks that are watching. That you disagree. I'm I'm going to say in chapter 13 the chapter 13 of 1st Corinthians says that tongues Have ceased.

I'm gonna make that point a little bit stronger if you disagree with me, that's fine. Like let's talk about it come to apologetics live .com. Click on the stream yard link there and join us. All right now 1st Corinthians 13 This is the overview of this maple think of this with about the love chapter.

This is one where you end up seeing it it describes love. And and you see that in 1st Corinthians 13 verses 4 to 8 It gives a description of love. Why? Because the over and Overemphasizing point of this is that love is greater than any of the other gifts now.

Let me dig into at least the first two verses of this because there is some things here for people to note. One of the things Justin is and I know you know this but many people will say when they have they speak of tongues.

It is a gift of languages, which it is, but many people say they speak in angelic language. Well in in Acts chapter 2 where we see this gift, we we see the languages they're named there. So it's not a mystery of what it is.

They are languages. I am very upset with The Holman Christian Standard Bible they They had that was done, right? They translated the word tongues as languages. It made the issue clear so clear that the Charismatics got upset and well the Southern Baptist Lifeway decided to Change that and so when they did the Christian Standard Bible, they called it tongues again so that people can be confused.

We want scriptures that will be clear. Okay. These are languages. They're named there now I got to tell you a very funny thing that happened. If you ever go to see Justin Peters clouds without water seminar you'll see what he usually does is try to get people to help him out in the crowd and He'll he'll ask someone to stand up and get someone to stand and and he'll say now This is the way tongues would work.

So, you know we're in a church service and Mike gets up and Mike starts speaking Swahili and then he'll have Mike stand sit down then he'll have you know, Paul step up and say Paul's gonna gonna Interpret that and then Paul's gonna sit down and he's gonna say, okay Justin's gonna come up and Justin's gonna interpret that cuz they're gonna be two interpreters.

So he'd explain that but here's what happened. We're sitting there and he turns to Mike Gentry and says Mike would you just stand up for me? He says so Mike is Mike would would stand up and he would speak in fluent in Fluent Swahili.

Mike you don't know Swahili. Do you and all of a sudden Mike starts speaking in another language and Justin just looks at his eyes pop? He says no that was Latin. I was an altar boy. Totally through Justin Hoppy he was like he thought that Mike was actually speaking Swahili.

But but that's how it would be and so but what is this angelic language? Where do we see the angelic language? Well, there's only one place in the Bible. We see reference to an angelic language. Let me read this this is 1st Corinthians chapter 13 verses 1.

If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels. But do not have love. I have become a noisy gong and or clanging cymbal. So let's at a high level examine this. This is this is scriptural interpretation.

Okay, we were gonna walk you through this. What is being said in that there is a comparison being made a comparison between speaking tongues and Love which one's the better love because if you don't have love but you have tongues.

He says you're just a clanging cymbal. Now is he saying that there is a Tongues of angels he says of whether I speak of the tongues of men or and of angels. So not just the the languages of men, but I speak the languages of angels.

Is he saying that or is it hyperbole? Well, I will say that he is exaggerating. Giving hyperbole. How do I know that? Verse two. Let's look at that if I have the gift of prophecy and I know all mysteries and all knowledge and If I have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love I am nothing.

Do you see the comparison there? The comparison is same as in verse 1. This is a Hebrew poetry. This is a style of writing that be very familiar to Paul of Hebrew poetry where you put two lines together that have the similarity.

That's how you do Hebrew poetry. It's based on parallelism not based on rhyme. So this is a style of Hebrew poetry what you have here is you have these two lines paired together you're doing the comparison now of having the gift of prophecy compared to love and if you have Prophecy without love you're nothing.

That's the point now why do I say the language of angels is hyperbolic. Because he's doing the same exact thing in verse 2 when he says having all Know that know all mysteries and and all knowledge and have all faith if you had You knew all mysteries and all knowledge.

What would we call you? God because you'd be omniscient and. So, you know, I was gonna ask that of Justin, but as you can see he's he's stuffing his face there. So, you know, that's why he took me off.

It took himself off camera. You know, it's hard. I'm hungry. I'm like sitting there watching him. Just chow down. It's I'm eating pizza.

It is so good. My wife made homemade pizza. I can't wait. I'm sorry. Hold on.

Pineapples and shrimp on top. No way. No way. Dude next time you come over we're gonna have some homemade pizza with pineapples and shrimp and you're gonna love it. What happened the last time I had shrimp?

I don't know what. I almost went to the hospital. Okay, remember shrimp was bad. I I can't do shrimp. I love pineapple and ham.

Okay, we do that. Oh, yeah. All right, so. Just so everybody see. Man, okay to get rid of that. All right. So what you end up seeing is that he's using hyperbolic language. Here we go. Chris. Chris hon holds.

I knew that would get a response from Chris even while driving. He gives us the green angry symbols. I can't believe he's driving and given green angry. Yeah. Well, he is a superhero. He could do those sort of things.

But KT refers to that as a pizza heresy. She's saying that we're two pizza heretics. All right. So what you end up seeing here in this in this is that we he clearly is not saying that he can have all knowledge.

That's impossible. Therefore that is an exaggeration. He's saying if I have all prophecy even even beyond that if I have all knowledge. Well, that's the same thing in verse 1 if I speak of all I speak all the languages of men even of angels.

He's going to the extreme in both of those cases. So no, I don't believe this is an angelic language. Now it was kind of interesting being at the Kenneth Copeland Thing the other week where they were talking and one of the things that they talk about is the fact that the reason to speak in tongues is because you're speaking an angelic language and That way you're speaking only so only God and the angels can hear and not Satan.

Now now Justin I'm gonna need you to help me out here. When we think about different types of creation we have we have animals they could be broken down into birds and fish sea creatures land creatures mankind.

What category would Satan be in? Created being. Well, what type of creating being. He's gonna be one of the angels. Angels, huh? So you think that Satan being an angel wouldn't be able to understand and Angelic language that only angels can understand.

You see a problem. I'm gonna give you another problem.

Um. Nowhere in the scripture do we see that Satan or any of the angels can read our minds? There's only one that knows every one of our thoughts and every one of our actions and deeds. And we will stand before that one that one alone.

Nowhere in the scripture does Satan or the angels know what we're thinking.

They might be able to. Saying that Satan isn't putting ideas and in in the minds of people. I don't think he's doing that.

I think he's guiding a movie. I think our own wickedness is what's doing that.

Yeah, and that's the thing. Many people think that's how Satan made me do it. Especially for Chris. He did not um, you know, he a he doesn't have that ability. That's right. Be he can't indwell a believer because the Holy Spirit or in.

And scripture says greater is he that is in you then he that is in the world. He that is in the world is Satan therefore Demons, I would argue based on that cannot indwell a human being. I Would agree with that.