August 19, 2021 Show with William F. Hill on “Advice to Young Ministerial Students”

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As always, I am looking forward to my interview today with someone who has proven to be an excellent guest on this program, someone who I love to interview, and he has become a friend, and I also share with him many of his convictions, even though I am a Reformed Baptist and he is a Presbyterian.

We do have most things in common, and I'm speaking of Pastor Bill Hill. He is pastor of Providence Church, which is a congregation in the Presbyterian Church in America in Evansville, Indiana, and today we are going to be discussing, I think, a very important theme.

Pastor Bill is going to be giving advice to young ministerial students, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Bill Hill. Yes, we did, I think, a fascinating interview on the most recent PCA, Presbyterian Church in America General Assembly, and if you could make sure your mouth is as close to whatever thing that you're using.

I tried something different this time.

Yes, I was very saddened, as you know. This individual will remain nameless, but I was very saddened and surprised that a fellow PCA pastor requested that I remove him from my email list promoting Iron Sharpens Iron Radio because he believed our discussion on the PCA General Assembly was hate speech, and that is quite baffling to me, how a professing evangelical, a professing subscriber to the Westminster Confession of Faith and the Three Forms of Unity, how such an individual could find the belief that homosexuals need to repent and and be transformed by Christ in order to be considered worthy of membership in the church, and even into the office of a pastor, elder, etc., how that could be considered hate speech.

That's kind of chilling in a negative way.

The climate in which we continue.

Yes, I wonder if that same individual believe it's hate speech to urge a heterosexual adulterer to repent and to put aside his sexual proclivity and activity, and I don't even understand it. I can understand it from the left, the open left, obviously, but that is not the subject of our topic.

Yeah, we could spend the first hour talking about that, but let's not.

If you could, tell us about Providence Church in Evansville, Indiana.

Sure, I'd be glad to. I was called in about 100. It's been really enjoyable, ups and downs.

If anybody wants to find out more about this very important church, which I believe, if I'm not mistaken, there are not a whole lot of confessionally Reformed churches in your area, are there?

Are you talking about the Evangelical Presbyterian Church denomination? No, I'm talking about Evangelical Presbytery. Oh, Evangelical Presbytery. Yeah, there you go. Thank you.

Yes, and I know that they would be very much in harmony with other churches that adhere to the Westminster Confession, except they permit the ordination of women, and they believe in, or they are open to, the charismatic sign gifts.

Yes, I don't...

Well, anyway, we don't want to spend time dissing another denomination.

Oh, no, I'm not trying to...

I actually do have friends in that denomination, as much as I may disagree with those two things I mentioned, strongly disagree. But if anybody wants more information on Providence Church in Evansville, Indiana, you can go to providencechurchevv .com, that's Providence Church E, that's for Evansville, VV, which is also a part of the abbreviation for evansville .com.

Providencechurchevv .com. All right, now tell us about The Parchment.

Oh, that website that I started, and occasionally I'll...

And that website is theparchment .net, theparchment .net. By the way, we have a listener in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who asks, Why does your guest sound so upset? And he's not using, actually, the phrase upset.

He's using a more colorful term that goes by the initials P as in Peter O. I don't know. Well, I think it's largely because you're a New Yorker.

It could be, I don't know. Yeah, I'm just chilling in my study.

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Seminary, Church Planting, and the Crisis Facing Young Christians

Well, initially, what was the catalyst behind you wanting to discuss this theme? And I do believe it's a very important theme because so many young people in the 21st century, in the faith, who may even be in very conservative, biblically orthodox denominations and congregations, are going off to either college, Bible college, or seminary, and they are being deprogrammed from Christianity.

They are being brainwashed. And some of these leftists and apostates, who may even be disguised as Christian professors, are actually making headway. They're having an impact on the minds and thinking of young Christians and leading them to abandon things that have always been believed by biblically faithful Christians.

But if you could tell me your specific reason for wanting to discuss this.

I don't know if there's any specific...

You even entered seminary later in life than the average seminary student, didn't you?

Yeah, I did. I went to seminary when I was 40. Another thing, too, thinking about it, I had a guy contact me.

I could have been.

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And that website is gpts .edu G-P for Greenville Presbyterian, T-S for Theological Seminary .edu. I just thought I'd throw that out there. And by the way, Joey Piper, if you are listening, I left a voicemail for you about a week ago hoping that you return as a guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

It was a rich pleasure to interview you in the past and it's been far too long. But anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Oh, he's probably... I think he was out of the country.

Okay.

Actually, I didn't get it.

Yeah, I will do that. But do you agree with my assessment, though, that it is a real... I mean, it's not like this is anything new. This was happening in the late 19th century where people were hearing about higher criticism and beginning to adopt Darwinianism.

And of course, not long after that, the tragic fundamentalist modernist controversy rose up in the early 20th century. So this is nothing new, but the ideas are even more insane and satanic in these days that professing Christians are teaching and adopting.

Am I right?

Yeah, I think that's a problem. I don't know that that is why I was... You know, it's because the climate is so going to use the light world. Can they get out of the church when they've been in light?

Young men...

Ministerial Training in Hostile and Atheistic Contexts

Well, we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody would like to join us, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name, at least your city and state and your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA, only remain anonymous. If your question involves a personal and private matter. In fact, I'll read a question to you from a listener. In fact, I believe it's a first time listener and you can answer it when we come back.

We have Adam in Edgewood, Maryland, who says, What advice would you give to young men who desire to pursue ministry in a predominantly atheistic country? And he gives us an example, the Czech Republic.

I'm not sure why, since he lives in Edgewood, Maryland. But if you would like to follow up with another email explaining why the Czech Republic is of specific interest to you, let us know. But thanks for that question, Adam.

And we will have Bill answer it when we come back. He says, Go Blue Jays. I'm not sure what Toronto, Canada has to do with Edgewood, Maryland or Czech Republic either.

I'm trying to think if I know this person because I'm obviously a big Yankee fan.

And so he's rubbing it in by saying, Go Blue Jays.

I didn't mean to ring a bell. But if they know me and whatever, OK, fine. Go Blue Jays.

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The Value of Teachability and Seminary Study

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This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, our guest for the entire program today is Bill Hill, who is pastor of Providence Church, a PCA congregation in Evansville, Indiana, and we are discussing Pastor Hill's advice to young ministerial students.

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Adam, the questioner that I cited right before the break, who is from Maryland, he explained in further detail why he has a specific interest in the Czech Republic. He says, I've had a desire to pursue pastoral ministry since I started to repent and believe in the gospel.

I've always had a love for my heritage. So I'm assuming he's speaking of Czechoslovakia. So it made sense that love for my people and a love for sharing the gospel would merge. Pastor Hill and I spoke a few times in person at Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary.

I'm not the most memorable person, but I think I'm the only student who has had a heart for the Czechs. I thought that might have helped his memory. So if you want to give him any advice there.

I don't know the background.

One of the nice things about... Brother, could you go back closer to the mic again or with a phone, whatever you use?

Right on top of me.

Oh, really? Yeah, you sound kind of distant. I don't know why.

Maybe that's why I sound angry. Which I'm not, actually.

I know, you always sound angry, even when you're happy. I know that.

I think he is primarily addressing the atheist part, not the Czech part.

What kind of advice would you give to any ministerial student or somebody even intending to become a missionary where the majority of people around them are atheists? You might even include New York City in that.

If there are any Reformed people out there who are interested in church planting, New York City is a barren wasteland, except for a handful of solidly Reformed churches there. It's amazing to me that a city so large and so heavily populated would have such a small percentage of confessionally Reformed churches.

But having said that, any advice when it comes to a person desiring to pursue atheists as a mission field is basically, I think, what he's saying in summary.

Yes, I know personally, because we have listeners in Ukraine, which was formerly.

A part of the Iron Curtain and the USSR, and Christianity is beginning to grow and spread there, and there might even be some of my listeners from Ukraine who could give you some counsel in that regard.

There are even Reformed satellite teaching groups. I don't know if they're at quite the seminary level. They may be. I just don't remember right now. But I know that my friend, for instance, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, at one time anyway, was annually making trips to Ukraine to teach.

So obviously, when it comes to God and his sovereignty, nothing is without hope. He has brought revival in formerly atheistic countries or predominantly atheistic countries in the past, and he could do it again.

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Yeah, I think, through your church, by doing part of the preparation, not—.

Yeah, what I'm going to do, since we are entering into the time when we have to go to our midway break, I'm going to ask you another question and have you answer it when we come back. We have an anonymous listener who says, what do you say to an individual who really has a desire to go to seminary and to become trained for the ministry when his own elders do not want him to leave the congregation, they want him to rely on the education and training that is available in the local church, and they do not want this person to depart for formal education for degrees and so on because they believe he is of too much value in the congregation?

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