June 8, 2020 Show with Brian G. Hedges on “Thriving Grace: Twelve Ways the Puritans Fuel Spiritual Growth”

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Brian G hedges who is lead pastor of Redeemer Church in Niles, Michigan an author of a number of books including the story of his glory active spirituality and watchfulness recovering a lost spiritual discipline.

Today We're going to be addressing one of his latest books that he co-authored with dr. Joel Beakey Who is no stranger to iron sharpens iron radio has been a guest a number of times. The book is titled thriving grace 12 ways the Puritans fuel Spiritual growth and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Brian G hedges. Thank You Chris. Good to be back today.

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Tell our listeners something about Redeemer Church in Niles, Michigan.

Now, would you describe it in more detail. Is it's Baptistic. Is it Pato Baptist? As a Baptist Church and A few years ago. We kind of renamed rebranded the church now. So we're unaffiliated with any denomination.

Where you would be coming from a theologically reformed framework. Yes, definitely. Yeah, so I would be. If anybody wants to look up.

And find out more information on Redeemer Church there in Michigan in Niles Michigan to be precise. I go to their website and that is Redeemer dot ch. Redeemer dot ch and. Can you tell us something about.

Approximately when and how in Your journey as a Christian you developed a love for the Puritans. How did you discover them? And how did you fall in love with them as many? Especially reformed Christians have not not exclusively reformed.

There are even some of our non Calvinist fundamentalist Friends fundamentalist Baptists who have fallen in love with the Puritans as well and and others even some charismatics. Have fallen in love with the with the Puritans, but tell us what was specifically involved in your journey.

Yeah, my dad is a preacher and I grew up so you didn't have to overcome a.

Stereotype that may have Blocked you otherwise or prevented you from even touching a work by a Puritan because it's so tragic that there are many people who speak without Knowledge and wisdom and education on the subject and they will merely read what the enemies of Calvinism have have written and very often those enemies obviously will vilify the Puritans, right.

And They have been described in all sorts of horrible ways. There are some elements of truth in the negative history of the Puritans, we don't want to candy-coat or Cover up anything. That's that's true.

But the there are grossly exaggerated teachings about the Puritans and That they were a really dull killjoy.

A.

Kind of party killers if you will that in even worse that they may have had a bloodthirsty hatred for Baptists or anyone outside of their own group. They may have had very strong vociferous disagreements with with many of those who were not among them and sometimes it led some among their numbers to do Harmful things but.

The.

Really evil.

Description that is painted of them is is a really slanderous exaggeration, is it not. And you know, fortunately for me that Right.

Precious remedies against Satan's devices. Yes.

In fact, in fact.

Precious remedies against Satan's devices. May have been my introduction to the Puritans I'm pretty sure. It's a banner of truth. Publication. And there and maybe.

Published by others as well since it's yeah public domain now. Yeah, it's in their period paperback series, right?

Now, how did you and? Dr. Beaky wind up getting together to collaborate on a Single book of your own about the Puritans thriving in grace.

Well, I've just my book watchfulness and then I've edited well.

One of the things that the Puritans are known for and Which has led as I was saying earlier. Some folks who started out.

Spreading.

Some of those slanderous lies about the Puritans like some and I have to be very careful the way I speak I don't want a broad brush, but some of our independent fundamentalist Baptist friends Who are not reformed or? Calvinistic in any way some of them at one point were spreading the same vicious slanders about the Puritans that others have and and still do but then Some of them thankfully began actually reading them.

And I know a number of Fundamentalists who because of the the saturation of biblical truth the the biblical driven writings and lives of the Puritans drove many of these folks that I know to do 180 degree turnaround and they have come to love and Enthusiastically Recommend the Puritans even though they may disagree on some important theological issues with these folks, but because of the fact That they are so Bibliocentric or should I say were but they they still live among us now in their writings tell us How the scriptures themselves? Have Been a force and fueling spiritual growth.

Yes, yes and.

Of course.

There is no better place for Someone that you adopt as a Christian hero. There's no better place for that hero to be gaining his own wisdom than from the authoritative scriptures, which are inerrant and infallible and the only infallible rule of faith for the church.

And.

Before I go to any other of the ways Of these 12 ways that the Puritans fuel spiritual growth How do you overcome an argument that will that some have said. Especially perhaps folks like a fundamentalist Baptist.

Why are you wasting your time reading the Puritans? They are not authors of the Divinely inspired inerrant scriptures. Why don't you just stick with the Bible? How do you overcome an attack like that?

They weren't they were not infallible. Nobody's claiming that they were. I don't agree with everything I read and every Puritan. Yes even.

Dr. Joel Beakey. Not long ago probably two years ago, maybe three at a banner of truth conference that I attended even he who is known as a great lover of the Puritans in fact naming his His seminary that he founded Puritan reformed theological seminary.

Even he at the banner of truth conference had at least one session on how we should not imitate the Puritans.

So.

That goes to show you we. Although we. I don't think there's anything wrong. In fact, I know there's nothing wrong and everything right about having a healthy view of developing heroes. From the history and even from the present day.

There's a difference between having heroes though and idols.

Absolutely, yeah and.

But.

The one of the things that the Puritans have helped those who have read them do is lift our gaze to the greatness and glory of our triune God. And perhaps the primary Words we should be looking at in this This next question that I'm asking you greatness glory and triune very often.

Even though on paper. You'll have every Truly evangelical church believing in the Trinity believing that God is triune. We very often do not treat him or speak of him. That way our theology doesn't reflect that our prayer life doesn't reflect that our worship doesn't reflect it.

But if you could just Give us some insights into this aspect of lifting our gaze to the greatness and glory of our triune. God.

God is fine and so on in the same way that John Owen does but Owen is particularly good in that regard.

Yes, and you brought up John Bunyan earlier John Owen Demonstrated very wise discernment and humility Being a man of Great education and esteem He even let the lowly tinker preach from his pulpit And they became friends and so on.

Be just instrumental and get it right. All we think. Yeah, right. Just because he recognized.

Not only the amazing gifts of Bunyan, but the biblical truth that he possessed.

And.

As far as the Puritans convicting our consciences of the subtlety and sinfulness of sin That is one thing that Puritans are known for but perhaps Even outside of reformed circles is is that they are Very in their writings very Thorough in Convicting the hearts of their readers about their sin and sometimes Even this has been exaggerated as if this is all they talked about and all they were doing was Keeping their congregants and their readers gripped with terror non-stop.

But.

If you if you read enough of the Puritans you realize this is not true because they were also extremely grace centered and So tell us about this Way that the Puritans convict our consciences to the subtlety and sinfulness of sin.

And they see rebellion against it with God and. So they've been. And as a good physician during that we have to go to our first station break.

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Go to nasbible .com. That's nasbible .com to place your order. Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full program is Brian G Hedges lead pastor of Redeemer Church in Niles, Michigan an Author of several books including the story of his glory active spirituality watchfulness recovering a lost spiritual discipline and The book we are addressing today thriving race 12 ways the Puritans fuel Spiritual growth which was co-authored by dr. Joel Beeky.

And our email address if you have questions It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and as always give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and Your country of residence if you live outside the USA please only remain anonymous if your question involves a Personal and private matter and Before I go to a listener question I wanted you to.

It's kind of off-topic, but we just had recently a tribute to the late Ravi Zacharias a man greatly beloved in the body of Christ by a very broad spectrum of professing Christians and I had Two people who knew him very well personally and also I played an encore presentation of.

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An interview I had with Ravi some years ago and.

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Hoping that you could just share a little bit about how Ravi Zacharias Touched and blessed your life.

Yeah, thank you when I was a letter encouraged. Well praise God and but if anyone wants to.

Look up the The the tribute that I aired in honor of Ravi Zacharias, you can go to the archive at iron trump and Zion radio .com and Go to the past shows podcast section. Click on that and if you type in RAV as in victory I That will surely come up among.

Probably my original interview with him, but I hope you enjoy that. We have a listener. From Lisbon, Iowa. His name is Jake and Jake says. How do you think the Puritans would have responded to the state's Closing church services for an extended period of time.

Due to the supposed health concerns. I don't know the centuries that went before that's.

Hard for me to answer. I would never call myself an expert on the Puritans and it's also a Lot of guesswork that needs to be done When you go back in time and try to Figure out what a Person from centuries ago, even a faithful Christian may have done what they may have done with something involving Something that just recently happened in our generation.

Of course.

I believe that the Puritans as Many of my heroes from centuries past If it was a very serious plague or Pandemic Where you know, we're talking about The things like on the level of the Black Plague and so on where there were there were countless lives perishing All around your your average Christian in certain areas of the world.

I would have hoped to think that they would have no problem with a a temporary Withdrawal from public gathering and doing things that the medical wisdom of their day Thought was appropriate and best. Martin Luther even wrote of such things in the 16th century With the plagues that he was faced with.

But I obviously I can't be certain with that. I guess one of the things would be Also in regard to laws that are developed by secular authorities and The Bible commands us to obey the secular authorities, but there is a limit when we have to say enough is enough because we're trying to Do our best to obey God above men and we're supposed to be fearing God more than men.

All right, so.

Well the Puritans in that regard. I mean a form of the in 60 great. Well, by the way, Jake.

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So, thank you very much Jake. We hope to hear from you many more times in the future. One of the twelve ways That Puritans fuel spiritual growth according to you and dr. Beeky is.

That.

The the Puritans open our eyes to the beauty and loveliness of Christ. And there you have. I'm sure a Mythbuster going back to what I originally addressed in the very beginning of the show This horrible horrific solely terrifying grim pessimistic and frightening group of people that the Puritans allegedly were according to Many who have never read them thoroughly enough to discover the truth.

But this obviously is A refuge to run to when we are faced With the the horror of our own sin the beauty and love loveliness of Christ. If you could continue.

Paragon of our joy. Any generation. And they wrote in part, you know, we have.

Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. Who wants to know Why is it and how is it that today in our day and age? When we have at our fingertips due to the miracle of the Internet.

Access.

To Greek in Hebrew and Aramaic and how we can derive and glean from some of the greatest minds that have ever lived within Christendom. And yet today. Rarely does the church produce an example of a pastor or a scholar and theologian on the level of the Puritans.

When they had so many more hurdles to overcome than we do now. Well, thank you very much Harrison. You've also won a free copy of thriving in grace. So make sure we have your full mailing address in Mechanicsburg.

Going back to The twelve ways that we are discussing in which the Puritans fuel spiritual growth. If you could tell us more about the how the Puritans liberate our hearts with the freedom and power of grace.

Baxter and his Doctrine of justification I think is less helpful on these Freedom and again other than from Richard Baxter whose.

Reformed pastor is one of the most highly recommended and.

Read.

Books by the greatest reformed minds, but he Sadly was not an example of a thoroughly reformed theologically reformed.

Right. Yeah, that's right. So honestly, I haven't read Baxter as much as some of the others I've read the reformed pastor in. It was sometimes easy to forget of sanctification. We're by no means antinomians generated creatures.

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