Ghosts and Aliens - part 2 | S7 E3

So what you're about to hear is part two of our aliens episode and it was very interesting

We had brother bill back. We had a brother Jake Romo up here instead of Parker We replaced him because Jake is better than Parker.

That is Parker's exact words, actually So we moved past the idea.

We spent a few minutes referring to Spacemen that idea of aliens and we I won't say dismissed but we definitely came to an agreement on our stance on that and we moved on to more of a

Demonic activity on the earth and what some people would call aliens

Here on earth that really is an alien in the sense that when most people think about it And it was a very good discussion and I learned some stuff and I think

I think was really good It's always good to have bill on and Jake on Jake will be back on soon for another episode

But tune in guys and I think you'll like what you hear with further without further ado.

Let's get to part two Today I've got with me my man Bill Floyd and my buddy pal friend and children's director and safety coordinator

Jake Romo I Am pastor Josiah and today we're doing part two on aliens so what

I want to do to get started before we get into what we mean by that word and all of our

Theories and possibilities and what that looks like from a biblical worldview, which is really what the three of us care about I want to pick up where we did leave off last time and Last time we all came to conclusion that whatever we mean by aliens.

We don't mean Intelligent life on Saturn or Mars or the moon or anything like that.

We all agree with that All right. Now just real quick Jake Do you believe there's intelligent life on other planets and if not, is it possible that there is given a biblical worldview?

Do I think that life originated in other planets? No, I do think there's a possibility that Stuff could be floating around our solar system, but not in origin

Okay, and what about intelligent beings for example? We won't call them human life.

Is there is it possible that not just plant material? But there's actual other intelligent life on Saturn or the more

Mars or the moon or whatever? I mean possible sure, but I don't think that's what's happening

All right I'm gonna come back to you in a minute because I have a question on what that would look like in relation to the atonement But before I do

Bill same questions to you when you say the word alien. Are you referring to spacemen?

No, no, and is it possible given a biblical worldview that that type of thing exists?

I'm kind of in the same boat. I don't think so and my main obstacle to that would be the silence of the

Bible, I mean I mean that's a pretty thick book and if it were

Jake and since I'm more of the moderator kind of thing and not moderator. Sorry Presidential debates

I've gotten confused with what those people are supposed to do What would that mean for the atonement so I think

I know what you're gonna yeah, so I think Any possibility I would give to that and I'm not gonna say that I know yeah at all

However for extra biblical reasons, it's it's worth considering however,

I would so I gather from your question that Intelligent life would equate to Knowledge of savable

Savable life and that we would wildly diverge. So I That I don't think is so the whole question of like well if there was

Spirit filled beings and you know Alpha Centauri. Yeah, then did

Jesus die for them, too? I write the and I don't I think that's way beyond the scope of the question and I think we're all on board there

So I fear that in three minutes. We answered the original question of what the questioner sent in about alien life

I think that's what they meant And so just to clarify on that, we're all in agreement that whatever any of us might mean by alien life.

We are not referring to Intelligent life that has rebelled against the Sovereign Creator and is in need of a

Savior the Bible. I think pretty clearly prohibits that I Mean the scriptures talk about him saving humanity and that humanity is what rebelled against him that he came to save Humanity for there is one

God and one mediator between God and man The man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransom for all a testimony at the proper time

He would have had to have become the kinsmen Redeemed. Yeah Exactly.

Exactly. So yeah, the what what? Golgotha what

Calvary did was for humanity in the entire message of that book is

God glorifying himself and Reconciling man back to a right step with him. I think it's the best one sentence description of the

Bible and It would be the loudest It would be the loudest

Missing piece of the Bible if I were to discover that Oh, no by that God meant he also died for Martians that somewhere also they weren't at Eden You know

So all right moving past that since they were at now the question is and brother

Bill was getting to it last week On what brother Bill and possibly brother Jake mean by alien is they mean?

demonic activity on The planet and Bill why don't you talk a little bit about that?

I know you got to last week just to refresh people on what you think that might be looking like in 2024 Well, most of our most people in our culture are

Not church. They don't go to church. They do not or if they do There's the

Apostasy that's going on. Yes, sir. They don't they don't know the truth They reject the truth

Any lie will do Mm -hmm. What's it say? You're tossed to and fro by every way

Because you have no foundation. All right, so easily persuaded people is what you're getting at Looking for a

Savior coming from the sky. That is not Jesus. Yeah, well said

Jake you want to add to that or take a different direction? Yeah, I would I would Back up a little bit so If I was having a discussion like if someone brought this to me like Just out of the blue.

I would immediately like the word alien, right? It was different Different context

Similar question right if I say the word Crusades. Yeah, what's the first image that pops on your mind horrible

Middle Ages murder? No, but like like pop culture wise Is there something that pops in your head if I say the word

Crusades I still think of the Middle Ages and okay So I asked if not,

I think of Billy Graham I asked a half dozen people this morning after service and every single one of them said kingdom of heaven the movie.

Well, okay And I asked the

I asked about aliens to like what's the first word that comes to mind one person said

Illegal immigrants coming over the border. Yeah, right and and they have a particular job field where that makes sense right, and the point is you have certain words that There's already so much bad

People are thinking of Tom Cruise War of the Worlds Mel Gibson signs. Yeah, or a whole host of other

Marvin the Martian I think and I think the word supernatural. I think we do the same thing with that.

We do it with demons, right? Whether because of pop culture or poor education in church or whatever, right?

So yeah, I think even saying like it's demonic activity That could that could mean a wide swath of things for a number of different people so You know that that word automatically has connotations attached to it regardless of whether you like it or not, you know

So for example the whole the the whole Can Jesus be the savior of intelligent life from other planets right behind that is the assumption that bit for because of movies and other things that you know there's a

Counterpart to humanity out somewhere that came here and there's a one for one kind of equivalent just from another place

You know I'm saying right So I think that and I reject that yeah me too 100 %

So you know in And I'm not sure where you where you wanted to go with it, but I wanted your take

Maybe laid out better better words when we say things like and I'm referring to like how we here on planet

Earth Interact with So what it what for example in your opinion?

What is a demon? That you that you would say like the Bible taken as a whole

What is it sure so I do take the fallen angel view that they are

Fallen angels know whether or not the phrase maybe you've heard of this a third of the angels

I haven't quite decided if I believe that's a literal 33 % or not But it doesn't matter it is a portion of the angels that rebelled against God along with Satan for example and and Are roaming the earth there are a portion of?

Them that are currently locked up in the abyss the pit and will be released at a later time they are

Misery loves company. They're doing the will of Satan and everything against God trying to thwart

God's plan of salvation They know their time is short They know their end is destruction they know they will not win

Fact they beg Jesus to not go ahead and throw them in the abyss like they thought he was going to in Matthew chapter 8

So that is what I think a demon is so so based on that right so The angels that have not fallen the interactions that we see with humanity given revelation from Scripture Angels can have physicality.

Yes, they can hold weapons drive chariots eat food and They wear clothes.

They're not like a dog. They can yeah, presumably Some being out there is making the clothes that the messenger showed up with I mean

We could presume right unless God just poofed it the angels sword

Chariot clothes into existence. That's a possibility but Do you see

Because the interactions that we have of demons with humanity right largely from the New Testament.

I think it's 90 % is from the New Testament and Given that view why can't demons also take on a physical manifestation?

What we see angels do it we see we see the messengers of God when they're sent take on physical manifestation

So so we know they have geographical Locale in one capacity or another whatever that is we know that the angel that was hindered from coming to Daniel, right?

There's something geographical going on there. They were hindered from physically coming. They're physically coming to Daniel's location.

So what I get the point you're making what I would say to that is Nothing Possibility -wise

Since I take that demons are fallen angels nothing possibility -wise would keep them from taking the form of a man.

For example, okay the reason why I Am skeptical of that is because I don't have an example of that in the scriptures

Okay, every time I seem the scriptures they are Either referred to as an unclean spirit.

We're assuming those are the same thing It's the best I can tell they are there seems to be used interchangeably because sometimes

Matthew or Luke will say an unclean Spirit and then the parallel account and Mark or John will say a demon.

So I'm assuming those are Same same phrase ology. I don't see them like angels who can just appear and not be inhabiting somebody

Just appear at the tomb or whatever. It seems to be they either have to be inhabiting somebody or something or Influencing in that way, that's that's how

I see it, right? Yeah, it pigs for the pigs for example

Well, it says Saul was how does it word it tormented by an unclean spirit isn't that how it words it?

He was tormented by an unclean spirit. It might seem off -topic, but there's there's a reason why I'm bringing this up so The reason why

I say that right and so there there's a possibility, right? I'll leave it as a possibility.

Yeah, sure obviously Bill and I are

I have a little bit different view of what demons are and personally I don't think it matters as Long as that has to in my opinion to make sense of a lot of the weird stuff that goes on in this world

We have to have that kind of consideration Somewhere we see the angels of God interacting physically with mankind right in a very

I would This is what I'm saying about the word supernatural. We use the word supernatural is like You know here we are and then supernatural is somewhere else, right?

And then sometimes they interact we covered this last week when we say the universe is a spiritual place

What we mean is that this is the stuff that's not gonna last forever. Yeah, but there is spiritual thing in this room,

I mean And someone posted this on Facebook. I think this is a good way to think about it

It's not that I am a body and have a spirit I think the more biblical way of thinking about it is

I am I am Josiah. I am a an eternal spirit I will eternally exist somewhere and I have a body for 75 years.

I think that's a better way of looking at it Right, so yeah, and so and Given what we have in the

New Testament that 90 % it seems more like Demons are disembodied spirits and there's a

Recognition believe it or not even among non -believers that there seems to be a physics to things like angels that As goofy as it sounds it would not be goofy to a physicist who understands hyper dimensions of our current reality that one of the greatest discoveries of 20th century is that As little as it has to do with us normal humans, you know sitting around a table and eating dinner is that this physicality that we experience as Four -dimensional space -time right is really ten dimensions as out there as that sounds if God Created the angelic host as I'm just making something up But say six -dimensional creatures all of the goofy stuff that we see happen in Angels interacting with humans doesn't see it isn't that weird it can be described with math

Them coming through walls right that they are solid sometimes and not solid they can appear and disappear

None of that is weird from a physics perspective I think it's

Telling personally that we don't see those things from the mnemonic side we can take the stance that the

Demons because okay. So if they are fallen angels, then maybe in their fallen state they now are

Like Adam when Adam fell there was probably a physical change to his body Not just spiritual

Yes, that also maybe happened to all the time. Yeah, exactly. Maybe there's a physical change

But Maybe there's now fit whatever way you take it, right?

we need a space where I think We have to have this thing where the demonic has a physical influence in this world.

Yeah, good Okay, so That lead up Which I think was helpful in clarifying

When you said the demonic has to have a physical presence in this world to make sense of stuff

Yeah, that is the crux of what? The two of you mean when you use the word alien

Well, I'll get I'll get to that. I don't think that you know things flying around are necessarily physical manifestations of them

However, I know what you mean by a bill It's close close enough. Yeah close close.

It's a b -plus and it's really close So you talking about you're flying around stuff and then would you when he's done with that?

Would you talk about what you mean by it's close? Tell me tell me flesh that out a little bit. They'll go Well, they'll go first Bill's more important.

Yeah It's more important to me. Yeah, that's fair. I Think that they must be

In clothes in flesh. Okay I Think that the demonic the demons are different from fallen angels.

Okay I believe the Fallen angels have bodies

They have physicality and I don't think the demons are okay, okay

They can only be active I think when they're in this

Plane. All right. So so the demons are The ones that if we want to use the word possess indwell people and control or influence or make mute or Make death like in the

Bible sometimes and the fallen angels separate from that don't inhabit Separate human beings, but they have their own

Physical bodies, is that fair? Yeah. Okay. Got it. Fallen angels demons All right

I'm clear on how you're reading that and I think this is important to and it might seem like a separate issue, but it's not but Because there's non -believers who are taking things like the older Christian traditions

Go Enoch and Genesis 6 and pulling that into their worldview to also try to make sense of all this stuff

So a certain reading of Genesis 6, right sure. Yeah. Yeah, but the right

Numbered in this room, even if I count the sound beep, I'm still on number Oh, okay, but but I'm one non -opinion and I'm worried on you and one on me.

I'm willing to concede it doesn't matter however, I do think it needs to be addressed and and and here's why that if The if a non -believer is going to pull that in and try to say this thing

You know with these things coming down and interacting with humankind have been happening for a long time

The Christians even have a tradition of it. Then I think it's meaningful for us to say Hold on because yes, that's in our tradition

But that's has nothing to do with what you're saying, right? Because when that happens when that happens in if we do take

Genesis 6 was this was the angelic host coming down and having illegitimate children with with human women if we do take that if you're gonna try to borrow that then we have to point out that They were the bad guys.

They were the fallen they were in disobedience to the Creator. It doesn't fit your framework

You know, I'm saying so I do think it's worth at least knowing enough about to whether you agree with it or not

It's worth knowing enough about to be able to engage it intelligibly from an apologetics perspective

I am gonna go off on a very quick tangent just in case anyone hearing this needs to hear a quick word about what he just said everyone listening to this if you are an unbeliever you

Perhaps unnecessarily. I mean, excuse me unknowingly borrow from the Christian worldview Even in English the phraseology used like he wouldn't lift a finger to help me or he would give you the shirt off his back or go the extra mile are all biblical phrases all of them the

Though when you are in a culture that at one point was a Christian nation say like ours

You have people accidentally obeying The Bible in certain portions of life and they don't even know it because it was ingrained in the culture

People people have no idea. They don't even recognize that So with that being said when

Jake says people are borrowing from that remember they were the bad guys this kind of stuff happens all the time where people will say things like Murder rape and incest are wrong

Not recognizing they're only saying that because they were raised in a society that at one point

Loved the Bible where if you've been raised On an island somewhere where there's still cannibalism right

You would have no basis of saying that's wrong Then that's what people don't understand and and people have been doing this for forever

Oh so this this point in particular since Genesis if you talk to any Greek or Roman around the time of Jesus and you said

Where do because they had people people all over got possessed with demons, right?

So, where did those what are those? Where do they come from? Right? They would say the same thing the

Norse would say the same thing the Hindus would say the same thing that when the gods when they feel like it come down here and interact with with Human women it creates things that when they die become unclean spirits.

They all had but but the difference is right the if you want to take just the

Enoch is just a biblical commentary or polemic if Creates the off the opposite idea.

This were not benevolent gods coming down creating demigods. These were disobedient beings in rebellion against the

Creator and These things that it created were evil I'm totally fine with with Enoch being just a polemic right if that's the an answer against the views of the world

It does provide some answers for stuff however, I Think that needs to be remembered that you know, if hey if you're gonna try to borrow this from from our worldview

You need to put it back in the original context by the way before Jake continues Enemies of the

Christian faith often point out that the idea of God coming to earth and becoming a man -like creature is

Ancient even before Jesus and I would answer yes But no account of God becoming man to die for man and be killed by man in order that man could come live with him

That doesn't happen. That's the message of the gospel. Anyway, go ahead Jake you were talking about the demonic presence in the world

Yeah Physicality, right? So so the physicality so What is happening with all this right and I think there's

Two totally different things we need to talk about because there's a human element in all this and then there's the spiritual element

So the kind of spiritual element is kind of the one we're kind of talking about right now because we as someone who grew up in a very traditional very

Iconic and that iconic is not the right word it stereotypical Very stereotypical

Southern Baptist Church, very small Southern Baptist Church where Big ideas are not really thrown out there, right?

You the word sanctification is Has 400 meanings not a particular meaning

That's not very helpful you throw the right you throw the word well everything sanctification everything sanctification, right?

Same thing for the word demon, right? Yeah So anyway, you slice it whether fallen angels are demons or they're two separate things

There are things that interact with and physically manifest with mankind

And I think it viewed in the light of what? Because what's unique about say compare it to the ghost discussion, right?

It's easy to lop it all in double. That's weird stuff. And how do we respond to it? Well, they the simple answer is the gospel.

However It's different culturally or it's becoming different culturally because ghosts there's not like a message tied to ghosts unless you're kind of a

New Age Hippie, you know trying to do a seance There's a message attached to this whole

UFO alien phenomenon. So let me just speed this along. I'll go bill first and then

Jake And then I'll go last When we see

It happens often especially now more cameras and Unidentified flying object a

Unmanned flying object whatever new acronym we're going to use today Going faster than we thought we could go or maneuvering in ways that we didn't think previously possible

We being whatever country filmed it. Let's say the United States or whatever or claims that it's beyond our technology

Do you? think a That is something that is created or at least

Made to appear that does not come from this planet in other words

Is not terrestrial is not from Mine or do you think? Vladimir Putin is getting a lot better at making planes

That's that's you understand the context Yeah, I know where I fall on that, but I want to hear from you and Ukraine is going so well.

Yeah I would say that the that what we see that is are doing things that are physically impossible

They're evidently not So So do you see that as spiritual or do you see that as Kim Jong -un has just spent a lot of money on I think it's

Maybe us. Okay. Okay, so you don't you don't immediately think that is demonic angelic

It may be a combination of terrestrial and demonic, all right, and what would that look like That would look like an evil man influenced by Satan's minions now,

I'm talking about the actual ship itself Okay, the actual ship itself. So what would that combination look like?

Help me out easy. In other words Humans built it but yes given extra capabilities.

I want to have had without the spiritual aid Now I'm gonna throw this out and go ahead that's a can correct me.

Okay, so I'm wrong, but so there was some Stuff at Roswell. Well, let's back up more than that.

Okay, so Some history in the early 1900s, there was a guy named

T Townsend Brown Scientists He in short and this is there's nothing

Anyone can't go there's books on his life and his experiments and people have reproduced his work. He was all over Scientific American the

I struggle to remember the scientific journals of the early 20th century but there was a lot of stuff published on there there was a kind of a

Kind of a race to try to understand and everybody was all about physics because people were you know

Just after this remember people were splitting the atom So this is kind of where everyone's head was in in the realm of physics

Everyone's like, you know, what can we what can we what can we do right? There were no rules, right?

We certainly didn't have government regulation over a lot of technology technology building this guy

T Townsend Brown figured out that he could create Build things of a certain shape and if he applied a whole lot of electricity to it

It would start to do weird things with gravity And he published he published his work It was

I don't remember where he kind of fell off the map, but there was a certain point where the US government's like hey

Come come come over here in and do your so we'll give you money for experiment even that right there weird stuff with gravity

Gravity weird as in we hadn't discovered it not not it not until that point at least not that I'm aware of in the published literature the the weird stuff with gravity so not using

Aerodynamic means that would be akin to an evolution of the Wright brothers discoveries understand

Or using traditional propulsion methods, well at the time rockets hadn't been really in the mainstream yet, but outside of those means just applying electricity

Gravity seems to have less effect on this thing that he built. Okay, and so this was back in the 1910s moving into the 1920s.

I have an article somewheres from like 1921 in Scientific American where he's recounting a lot of the stuff that he did so way back then

This stuff was starting to pop up And even moving into World War two there was a this was like a sidebar thing.

No one was really putting money into it but a number of several countries were pursuing that kind of application of physics

The Nazis were to a degree Hitler didn't give it it give it hardly any money, but it was a thing that they tried to do

So This is within the scope of published American scientific history that these things were being pursued and then they kind of just stopped talking about it

Didn't there's no cover -up or anything like that. People just stopped talking about it probably because the government stuck him in a

Warehouse somewhere and just like hey do all your experiments here, whatever you find we're gonna turn into something But even way back then there were things heading in directions that today were like well

That's not possible because of my high school physics book. So There's absolutely a human element to what's going on here the problem is the problem is is it throwing everything under that banner is that there's

Credible accounts going back into the 1800s at least Brother Bill found one from 1600 1639

So I mean we're mean credible credible not, you know found one from 1639 stuff flying around Okay Jonathan Winthrop the

Puritan head of Massachusetts Bay Colony Wrote about it in his journal so Okay, so That unless I misheard you, right

Unless I misheard you You are seeing some of the

UFO Capabilities beyond what we previously thought possible to be either a lost technology refound a lost technology refound or a in other words

Something we previously didn't think was possible, but you're not necessitating that means is from another spiritual realm

You're saying that can be a purely human and never I Would say if we're talking about what's happening today

You have both and by and large. I would say the vast majority of Legitimately weird stuff that people say see today

Would be human in origin, okay Okay now that being said

There's a whole other discussion about the the spiritual side of things And I think maybe we don't even try to consider that because but if you stop and think about it, you're talking about fallen angels who were at least at least for part of the creation of everything

Saw how things kind of put together and probably understand how this universe works better than we do

At least from a if we want to call it a physics perspective They probably have a better understanding of that So if they wanted to come here and at least for their own purposes cobble something together

I have no problem with that intellectually or or biblically it would certainly prop them up as gods if That was the route that they were presenting themselves to you know a king or something like that They wanted to give their bona fides.

Well, I can do things that you can't Talk about them being in their fallen state, right? They can no longer do certain things.

Maybe If they are stuck here, well Maybe there's some workarounds, you know,

I'm saying I think that's totally within the realm of with of possibility but it is

It's hard to get around You can't hand wave away all of the accounts that we have

So we have to figure out a way, okay, how does that fit in and where I think

I think one of the problems We and we do this with so many things Like for example

Social justice is a biblical concept that phrase in The past several years at least in the

United States has come to mean things that sometimes are anti biblical That's hard to deal with when those words are biblical justice is a biblical

So we've got it. So I think one of the problems that Some Christians have is

A balanced view so Hebrews 13 to says be careful to entertain strangers as some have welcomed angels unaware

So there we have right there a Scriptural teaching that hospitality is important to love your brothers and sisters hospitality is important to treat strangers, right?

And by the way every now and then it may not be a human but a human

Someone who's taking a human form who you're actually entertaining and they are a messenger from God for whatever reason he sees fit

They're not they're not acting outside of God. This is a letter to Christians Hebrews 13

To Jewish Christians, they were sent from God So I think one was it Tomas up we're talking about this this morning like when an angel appears they fall down on their face like sometimes

And sometimes you can't tell the difference. Yeah, exactly exactly But I think the other side of that is some

Christians are too quickly to hand -wave and dismiss and I think that's because We have some of our

Christian friends who see demonic activity under every rock the demon of alcohol

Their own sin. Yeah is do is is due to Demonic activity if they drop their keys in between their car

See and they're I mean I've seen this one demonic influence and Satan trying to work against them because If they had driven at the right time, they would have witnessed to the homeless guy

In other words, there is no realm It and maybe those those

I will almost say of us but those of us who are more skeptical to see

Demonic, I'll keep using the word activity for now in the world is because sometimes those on the other side see the battle of spiritual good and spiritual evil as a

Question of who's going to win In other words, there's sometimes there's too much of a

God's trying to outwit Satan Mm -hmm, whereas we from a biblical worldview have read the end of that book.

God's not trying to outwit Satan If anything the other one is doing that in futility

In futility Satan's trying to outwit Yahweh and spoiler for those who have not read the end of the book we win

God wins No, but in his heart, he knows that one of the most powerful scriptures to me is in first Peter when it says

I'm sorry Revelation 12 12 when it says he is thrown down with great fury for he knows

His time is short not that he thinks he knows his time is short.

He's read the end of the book Yeah, he knows this time short. So I think those might be two reasons why some are too

You know, like we're trying to find a balance. We're trying to find the right and the right balance is this

Is what's temporary? This this is the temporary. This is gonna pass away

He's gonna make a new heaven a new earth this yeah there there is a forever earth, but it's not this one

It says the elements will melt when he recreates this planet. I mean, that's a strange sentence in of itself

But at the same time human depravity is almost sufficient to describe most of the stuff that we have to deal with right in this world and The flip side of that though is if anyone thinks that like grand conspiracy can happen on a human level like The almost most almost successful grand conspiracy was the

Manhattan Project in my opinion and that didn't let the Russians stole everything and from the Manhattan Project it's just not within the scope of humanity, but also there is a conspiratorial view from the perspective of there are spiritual entities that do have the benefit of deep time and they are

Doing things you just use a phrase. I'm not familiar with which deep time

Our lifespans are short And from even if even if I am a king and I'm really trying to raise my son to follow in my vision and Pass that on to his son

That history shows that that doesn't last very long It doesn't like you can't go from you can't have a 10 generational deep human conspiracy and that be human in origin so As as one of the ones who tends to be more skeptical

When it comes to the word Government conspiracy, let me explain how

I am and Maybe this will help me see Whenever I hear someone say the government did that Especially in our context when you think about how many people work for quote the government

In other words, I have I mean, right Whenever someone says the

I had someone one time tell me a co -worker the government is behind every problem in the world

And I asked him Which government he said all of them. They're all the same and they're all in step with each other.

I Don't see that. I Do not believe the president of Guatemala is in step with Kim Jong -un

I just I don't see that our government Is very corrupt

But I believe they're all corrupt because they're all corrupt people not because they're all of one mind working together I don't believe

CNN and Fox News or buddy -buddy and they're calling it and that's a media thing and they're calling each other trying to say

Hey, what story are you gonna show? What story are you gonna show? I think they're all corrupt because they're all looking out for the person in the mirror.

Does that make sense? So I believe the government's corrupt, but I don't believe they can work together good enough to accomplish basically anything

I was just listening to a podcast yesterday It was a it was a former

White House staffer Seemed like a good dude. He's professing Christian White House staffer and good dude.

Same sentence He's a professing Christian and he wrote in his book that being in that being in that environment really showed him like a

Lack of sanctification as we would call it in his part and that this is not the road I want to go down. So I'm leaving. Okay, so he left for the right reasons

He was with the Trump administration, but the point is I'm sorry. He saw a lack of sanctification during the

Trump administration I'm shocked, right? No But but but the really interesting thing that he said was that he was he because he was like the communications director

Or something like that he was in in that scope of the Trump administration that he was there for a lot of like the high -end decision -making kind of stuff and He said he was shocked to see that these heads of industries these kings these presidents in a room

Talking about stuff that has global ramifications and nobody knows what the answer is

Right. These are these are humans just trying to figure stuff out. He said that was mind -blowing to him and that's that's

Pretty much what I've heard from people who are not that high up You know, I've known a few generals right that They've said the similar things, right?

you think like somebody somewhere surely gets paid the big bucks because they know what to do and it's and it's not like on a hue at the end of the day, we're human and We're just trying to figure it out.

But the foot what that means is Trying to get something, you know trying to say that the government has this grand conspiracy to drive human evolution or human progress or you know global ecumenical ism, right

One world government, right? then they have the power foresight and stability to do that is just I It goes against everything

I know about humanity like I don't see it. Yeah, we know that's coming right but and yet we know that's coming

So I think there's a pretty There's a point where you can see. Oh, there's spiritual influence here because you can't get over this line without Some help, you know,

I'm saying sure. So I think one of the most Amazing and I mean that in a negative sense sentences about the description of humans

Bill knots of us for is Ephesians chapter 2 1 through 3 Ephesians chapter 2 verse 1 through 3 says and you were dead in your trespasses in your sin and And using that phraseology when we think of physically dead we would think okay

Then there shouldn't be a verse 2 because that means you can do nothing But it's not being spiritually dead and he tells us what we do while we're spiritually dead.

He said and You were talking to Christians. You were dead in your sins and trespasses in which you walked according to the ways of this world according to the ruler who exercise authority over lower heavens the spirit now working with sons of disobedience and we recognize that from other passages to be

Satan himself and we all To what? Carrying out the desires of our flesh in our mind and we're by nature

Children of wrath like the rest of mankind and of course this the scripture thing lays out the gospel clearly and what salvation looks like But if we can just focus on that But that really gives you the contrast when you get to 8 verses 8 does but my point is every unbeliever on this planet

And including Christians who used to be every minute right now is

Walking not with Satan holding them on the leash. That's not what it says according According what a word according to the ways of this world

Sir to the age the spirit of the age to toss to and fro by every wind of doctrine

So what I'm getting at is we by following the person in the mirror You are in fact following Satan and I don't mean to say that you are the embodiment of Satan what

I mean to say is Humanity is so depraved such that the

Bible says all someone has to do To follow Satan is carry out the desires of the flesh in their mind

Flesh in mind and by doing so you are in step with the prince of the power of the air

Which is what makes this such a convincing lie Because it's not just I have to justify it within myself

Here's this thing that's coming down from on high. That is

Going to allow me to carry out the desires of my flesh. Mm -hmm so Is it important For us to identify

In other words In other words, you know the topics about aliens is if we move past spacemen

And we're and we're more in line with the strategy of Satan the strategy of Satan I think bill said this the spirit of the age and I think what bill means by that and I'll let bill jump in here is whatever is

Popular whatever is the current Yeah The current mood of the culture

That is propelled by Satan. I think so. Okay, so and He is capable using different tools of promoting that much faster than you used to be able to Now the beautiful news is we're sin abounds grace abounds even more.

So is the gospel in a different sense, but I When you say the spirit of the age

What's so hard for people to grasp is it almost comes to a point that if something is super popular in the world with no basis that probably should give us a

Moment pause. Hold on a second. In other words if like oh

Yeah, this is good. This is good. This is good or this is bad. This is bad This is bad just because everyone's saying that bill doesn't mean we got to hop on that train, right?

Right Not us not us not us if things sort of lose their

Sparkle and shine to people that aren't Christians. Yes, sir. They'll be something coming in right behind Something else something there's always gonna be so always something to distract always

I think there's good reason though to think that this is Maybe distract from the need of God, right?

Yeah, I think that there's there's Good precedent to think that this is we're moving more into the endgame though So you think look at what some of the things are being said about this whole situation

Genetic tinkering and you know, you hear a lot about that. Well, the ancient alien show has been saying it for like Well 13 14 15 years, right?

And as absurd as that show is it made it culturally common to hear in the back of your head, right

So you have these weirdos like Zechariah Sitchin came in who you know, you could objectively say hey everything he said is is wrong, right?

What's funny? Well, actually Michael Heiser built a whole website to show how Zechariah Sitchin was wrong

But he's still popular because it's an attractive message But that's that's the things that are being said that you know humanity actually had its origins from these returning space brothers, right

What I actually actually but I went to anything to not believe in a creator God, huh, right?

But I went I went to some very old books Some of the more popular ones Jubilees Jasher Josephus mentions some of it and you look at kind of extra biblical commentary on Genesis 6 right they it mentions not just that and don't don't think that This is necessarily evidence to verification or anything like that only that This is a very old concept is my point

But one of the things that those those rebelling angels did right?

Was to start to mix and match Animals together we would call it genetic manipulation right with our common vernacular but They said that one of the sins that they taught humanity was how to mix different animal kinds together

Hunter talked about this when he brought in Right, but but in my only point bringing that up is that this is a very old concept people are talking about this 2 ,000 years ago, so and this is still what's being pushed and it's being associated with You know this whole mess so I see a recurrence of history is what

I'm saying I kind of see this as a culmination of if you want to talk about the strategy of Satan a culmination of a bunch of tactics

Coming together in something of an endgame Nothing new under the Sun Yeah, so whether that was maybe true not true a complete lie doesn't matter

It's been in human. It's been in humanity's head for at least 2 ,500 years

Yeah, so We're gonna get short on time in a little bit

I want to Do some last words But before I do quick word of encouragement and Bill said this earlier or Jake said earlier when the scripture says

He did not give us a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear But in the spirit of adoption by whom we cry out of a father the scripture says

You know, it's funny the most common command in the Bible Anyone got a guess do not be a fear not do not be afraid most common command in the

Bible I can't remember how many it is 365. Is that right? Yeah I Would be cool to have like a god doesn't like leaders.

I was that because I'd be yearly devotional with all of them lined out Yeah, yeah, don't be afraid The child of God Has God's promise that he works all?

Things in accordance with the counsel of his will that not only are we more than conquerors

But that He will withhold no good thing from me and that everything is being worked out in his timing

What's act 17 say at the appointed time? Christ will return and at the appointed time somebody well intending

There's a certain vein of theology that teaches that hey Matthew 24 says the gospel must reach the whole world

So as a way to raise mission money, they said don't you want Jesus to come back? Because he must rain there's still two tribes somewhere in Ecuador or whatever, right?

Listen at the appointed time Is what Jesus said that's what he meant It will always happen at that time.

So when we see things like this or see things on the news don't understand or see

Russia doing this or China doing this or the u .s. Doing this or The Christian is the one who speaks the loudest message

And he's the only one not running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Amen to that, but hey

God is God We are to be wary. We are to be watchful. We are to stand firm

We are to watch and pray but at the end of the day the sovereign God wins every time so There's that bill

In whatever direction you want to go a few minutes go last words, okay I got first Peter 5 8

Be sober -minded be watchful for your adversary the devil prowls around like a lion like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour and then second

Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 11 ish They received not the knowledge of the truth and God gave them

Strong delusion that they might believe a lot. Yep. Yeah, so they received the truth

And you know the scripture repeats this over and over again Repent why so called today?

Repent why so called today Matthew 24, I think it says four times Be not deceived don't be deceived

Amen, amen I Would just encourage people because this isn't this isn't gonna go away this is being pushed and it has the false veneer of being science

II it has the attractiveness of You know humanity has hope you're referring to the genetic crossing you're referring to the

UFO all that stuff, right? Well something we didn't get into but there's there's a message Attached to all of this the people who are the voice the mouthpieces behind, you know

Hey, we need to pay attention to this or we need to get the government to knock down Walls of secrecy all that those people who are doing that have a message

And sometimes they totally disagree with each other. Imagine that. However, there's one thing that they agree on that the problem

The problem is the fundamentalist Christians who think that this is all just demonic and they're trying there a hindrance to human humanities

Evolution or whatever you want to call it. We are the problem. I think that's extremely telling

That if the one thing they can agree on agree on that We're the bad guys, then that should tell you what the nature of this thing, right?

Enemy of the enemies my friend this small group of people over here is the reason why humanity can't go to the next stage of evolution right but this is

I mean This right here is nothing but a bunch of studies from Harvard in the last year

That's it from the last year about where could these things come from? What are they? You know, what are they made of?

It's this is what's driving Policy now in the United States, I don't say that for fear -mongering but only that You need to take a second and slow down to think about it because it's not something we can just hand wave away anymore

But I think we said everything we need to say about response. So All right,

Dalton low y 'all got anything All right, that was uh, that was good

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I'm not doing this ridiculous. JFK is a fun one, though See that's kind of stuff

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