October 25, 2023 Show with David Reece on “Christ the Second Adam”

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And I'm absolutely thrilled on the program with Pastor of Puritan Reformed Church of Phoenix, Arizona, and also the founder and president of ArmoredRepublic .com. ArmoredRepublic .com. I'll explain that business very shortly.

And we are going to be following up on an interview we did very recently. We conducted our last interview Thursday, October 12th, and this is a follow-up to that discussion. Today, we are going to be focusing primarily on Christ II, his deity in Christianity and hypostatic union.

But I do urge you, after this live program is over, to go to the ironsharpensironradio .com website and click on the Past Shows section, which is where all of our previous broadcasts are archived in MP3 format, and you can hear our discussion that was focusing upon the Trinity heresies that are associated with that glorious doctrine.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor David Reese.

Thanks for having me on. I'm excited to be here, to be able to talk about the doctrine of Christ and his humanity and divinity, and to be able to talk about the hypostatic union. And I hope that this will be edifying for your listeners, and thank you again for having.

Me on.

Thank you for that. And once again, for those of our listeners especially who have not yet heard you on this program, tell our listeners about Puritan Reformed Church in Phoenix, Arizona.

Puritan Reformed Church is a church that is a Christian-reformed church. We are very concerned to maintain the infallibility of the scriptures, to preserve the gospel of justification by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, and to see that God is the one who is glorified in the gospel.

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So, we seek to be a church that is honoring to the Lord in all those ways. And if anybody's in Phoenix, on the Lord's Day, we have a service at 10 a .m., and we also have an evening service at 4 p .m.

And so, we'd love to see you there.

Amen. And for more details, go to PuritanPHX .com. PuritanPHX .com. Now, you can tell our listeners also about this fascinating business that you own and operate, Armored Republic. Why don't you let our listeners know more details about that?

Absolutely.

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And that would include Puritan Reformed Church of Phoenix, Arizona and Armored Republic. And we'll be repeating their contact information. Let me also just announce our e-mail address if you have any questions you'd like to ask, either about the topic we began a couple of weeks ago on the Trinity or if you'd like to ask questions more specifically on today's topic on the Second Adam and his deity, his incarnation, and his humanity and hypostatic union.

Our e-mail address is gmail .com, c-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, your city and state, and your country of residence. Would you mind starting a program explaining this concept of Christ being the Second Adam?

It may be for new Christians, something that they're not very familiar with. In fact, we do have some who are not Christians at all on occasion. We have heard from atheists. We have heard from Muslims.

We have heard from Orthodox Jews and others in the past. So why don't you explain, because some might be confused, as to why Christ, the perfect, sinless, spotless Lamb who is also fully God and fully man, why he would be in any way compared to whose sin is the ruin of all humanity on the planet Earth?

Christ as the Second Adam and Federal Headship

That's a great question, Chris. So I think one of the things that's very important to understand is that the Scriptures present us with the idea that Christ acts as a public person. He acts as a representative in covenant with God, and he represents all of his descendants that proceed from him by ordinary generation.

Now, all that are born through the natural process of conception and birth that are his descendants, they are all represented by him. So he's a public person. He's a representative. He's a federal head.

Those are different ways of talking about it. But the point is he's a legal person. He's sort of acting like an attorney. He's acting on behalf of the people that he represents. And that, again, is basically the whole human race with the exclusion of Christ.

Now, Christ comes and he fulfills a role as a public person. He's a representative, and he is in a covenant representing other people in that covenant. And so he is called a second Adam because he is fulfilling a public role to represent certain people, and those people are God's elect.

So Adam is representing the whole race of man that's born as his descendants with the exception of Christ, and Christ is representing all of the people that God sent him to. And so if you want to understand this in more detail, Romans chapter 5, the last kind of two-thirds of the chapter basically explains this idea of the first Adam and Christ being.

So this principle of the second Adam comes out of Romans chapter 5. So Paul is explaining that. Now, when we think about the first Adam, we think about Adam. He comes, and he's entered into a covenant.

That doesn't mean that he accepts or imposes these terms on him. And the terms of the covenant are essentially God gives him the dominion mandate, says, you know, you need to glorify me by subduing the earth.

And then he also tells you to eat of all the trees, but you may not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And so the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is given as a thing that's forbidden to eat of.

Now, Eve eats of the tree of the creation of Satan, and then of the tree, and Adam breaks the covenant there. And so the covenant was a promise that if you do what God commands, the positive reward would be life.

If you break the commandment, God says, in the day you eat thereof, dying you shall die. And so that idea that there's a death that's initiated, a spiritual death and physical death, and it's also a process.

So it begins with unbelief, and it can continue to cascade down into a more and more dead state. We call it suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. And so the apostle Paul talks about that process in Romans 1 and 2.

But there's also this idea of the spiritual deadness. We talk about, I mean, sorry, the physical deadness, the old age, the decaying of the body, and we have sickness and various other harms, and there's eventual physical death.

Those are the consequences of the covenant of works is there's a spiritual death and there's a physical death that are a part of that. And Christ comes, and he, second Adam, debt that we owe of death.

He owns his own life, and he lays it down. And so he makes the debt payment to deal with the death that we owe. He keeps the law for us and earns reward. And so he provides for us a solution to the guilt problem of Adam failing and for us righteousness that Adam.

And so he gets for God's people, for those who understand and believe the gospel, the message of the work of the second Adam, that those people that believe in faith by God receive forgiveness of sins and they receive a justification.

They're counted as righteous. They're declared righteous by God on the basis of what Christ has done as the second Adam.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity

Amen. Well, some of the other aspects, as I've already mentioned, when I introduced you of Christ that we are going to be addressing. His deity incarnation, the union, his deity is something that he always possessed.

He from eternity past and through all eternity in the future. Was always a deity or God. There are some heretical movements that teach that Christ became deity or that he is deity after the. But please set this record straight about this, that people sometimes, especially those that have been deceived by cults.

The. Understand that the true aspect of of what even cults occasionally teach is that Jesus was truly human, but not to. Of the heretical. That he was not also fully God or that he somehow ceased temporarily to be God.

This is absolutely a damnable idea, isn't it?

Absolutely. And so. We started last time. It is to try to make very clear when we say that God, the father is God and God, the son is God and God, the Holy Spirit is God. What are we saying? Right. And so what we're saying.

Of one. They share the same substance and glory. They are of equal power. And so those three persons of the Trinity are equally God. They share the one definition of the one essence. Trinity. We got a shorter catechism.

Question four says, well, what is God? Well, God's a spirit that's infinite, eternal and unchangeable in his being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth. So that's true. The father, the son.

So we think. And we think about him being eternal and infinite and unchanging. He doesn't lose that. He doesn't change to become changeable and lose his unchangeableness. That could be a contradiction.

We have is God, the son does not lose his divinity. Sometimes that that view is called the kenosis theory, that he empties himself of his divinity. And that is not the. Who's his divinity? What we have is God, the son.

Takes to himself a human nature. And so the Holy Spirit. A human. By this conception work in the womb of the Virgin Mary. And that is united to the divinity. And so this is important to understand. We have three of one essence or who equally share the essence of divinity.

So each of them is equally God. And then we understand they take on particular role. The father gives not because the son is created or in any way lesser as God, but rather by agreement. And the Holy Spirit takes commands from the father and the son by agreement, not by some sort of essential inequality.

And so we. That there's an equality there. The roles are by agreement. And so when we deal with the humanity of Christ, it's very helpful to have a clear definition there. And so I'll pause there, Chris.

Before I jump into the humanity.

Well, we do have a listener. We have Ramona in Ashwaubenon. And please forgive me if I'm mispronouncing this city in Wisconsin. Ashwaubenon. And Ramona says, I know that in Luke chapter 252, we read Jesus kept increasing in wisdom.

Sure. And. Well, the fact that he kept increasing in wisdom must obviously mean that in his humanity, he did not know everything while he was growing up. That led me to a question. Did Jesus. Times do things imperfectly in his life that did not involve sin.

For instance, if he was a carpenter alongside of Joe, did he make mistakes? Furniture, et cetera. That's an interesting question. I don't know if I don't know if the scriptures give us the information to answer that perfectly.

Any idea?

Great scripture text. I think that that that Luke text is a very important one to demonstrate the humanity of Christ. So first of all, let me emphasize that, because obviously in his divinity, God, the sun.

And therefore learns nothing. So to have him grow in wisdom is not occurring in his divine mind, but is occurring in his human mind. That's a great point. That listener had a very reading that text. He illuminated out of the text.

So so then we think about this. When we think about moral perfection, obviously, the listener also suggested, obviously, Christ was morally perfect. But the issue. If there's a growing in in the womb, didn't have perfect carpentry capability.

He didn't he didn't come out with the ability to plane things perfectly or anything like that. So what we're learning, he's still getting these. And so it would seem that he must apply his mind perfectly to his work and therefore be always making decisions to do well.

But that doesn't mean he's had all the skills. So he has to learn. So doing practice would be kind of optimal practice if you think about it in that way. If the Lord Jesus Christ in his humanity was morally perfect, that would.

Learning skills. Does it wrong? It's not so much that he's doing it with any sort of moral failing. It would be he is doing something that allows him to then learn and effectively grow in the next step.

So let me give you an analogy. You are firing. Historically, what has been done is the goal is to fire beyond the target. Because your goal is to be able to have a round hit the ground behind the target.

Harrison point. So you can start. And then your goal in the second shot is to either hit the target or to be a little bit too short on the target. And that way, by the third shot, it's very easy to be able to hit the target.

Harrison points. And you're able to far more easily tell what proportion of the change of angle do you need to hit the target with that third shot. So if Jesus Christ were doing something in his humanity to learn a skill.

Kind of. He's so rational as to always pick into intelligently and efficiently figure it out. So he might not hit on the first shot, but he's always going to intelligently figure it out to do it efficiently.

Flying his mind with. Working on Dominion and not being lazy, not failing. And that's what I would say. There is there's no moral failing and missing the first artillery shot or the second artillery shot.

But if you were kind of randomly fire. Wasteful. Is a helpful thing.

Well, thank you, Ramona. And before I go on to any other listener questions, why don't you continue on the thread of where you wanted to. I believe the last. You wanted to continue to be more detailed on Christ's humanity, if I'm not mistaken.

Right.

So if we think about the Trinity, where we talk about Christ having about God having three. There are three persons. One nature. Since now we talk about Christ and we talk about Christ as having two natures or essences, a human nature and a divine nature or essence.

And so.

We're talking about. Glory or the definition of humanity and the definition of divinity. So these are mutually exclusive categories. Right. The Christ's divinity is infinite, eternal and unchangeable.

Christ's humanity. Well, he's finite. He's temporal. And he's changeable. So we have infinite, eternal, unchangeable versus finite, temporal, changeable.

So.

So we're talking about them. Same particular object. And the answer is no. We have a human nature, everything that's necessary for a man. We have a mind and we have. And then in addition to that, we have a eternal spirit, the divine son.

And so these are two separate things to be talked about in terms of distinctive things that can be. There's a way that there's a unity. He is that we call this one person. And so in the sense that we're talking about the all the parts that are necessary, everything is necessary for a man.

Is there the full?

And everything is necessary. Is there the fullness of God and the unity that we call this? The hypostatic unity is. This unity is the idea that there's one person. So the actions of. Are counted to the.

The actions of the divinity are counted to the humanity. So, for example, when we talk about Christ's blood, we can talk about how Christ bought the church with God's blood.

Twenty.

Well.

But no, God doesn't have a body. Well, but he does in Christ because there's a unity of the humanity with the divinity. And this doesn't mean that we've got one mind that's just sort of. Three things.

There's been this discussion of does Christ have one will or two wills? And this is a very important part of recognizing his human nature, that he has a human will. And so, for example, in the garden.

You know, Lord.

Take this cup from me, but not my will, but yours be done. Well, this communicates not that God and God, the son and his divinity had a different desire than God, the father, because that was. He wants everything he pleases.

It's all 115 and Psalm 135. And so if that's the case, if he does everything he pleases, then if God, the son, wants one thing and God, the father, wants another thing, and there's a metaphysical paradox and we've got like a little problem or whatever.

This issue of how do you have two of omnipotent wills desiring contradictory things? So there's no disagreement there. But in the human nature of Christ, whereas in the divinity of Christ, he once happens and therefore three desires in his humanity.

He might say, you know, I'm hungry and I want to eat food, but I also want to help this other person. And so I'm going to not eat right now to solve my in order to accomplish. Right. So he might say in his humanity and he says this plainly in the Garden of Gethsemane, he says, I don't want to suffer the cup.

I don't want to suffer the cup of the wrath of God. I don't want to suffer the curse, but I do it in order to go and in order to accomplish the mission. And I'd rather suffer it in order to accomplish the mission of the glory of the triune God in order to save the elect, then to not suffer and not say by the father.

So not suffer, but he desires to not suffer less than he desires to suffer in order to accomplish the goal. And so in his humanity, we have this idea of a human will. A human mind and their mind. And so we we could say we historically want to say that there's two natures and one person.

And when we define the word person, there becomes a number because we kind of have definitions of the word person. And so normally when we're talking about the Trinity, for example, we're talking about there are three persons and there's three minds.

But when we come to talk about. Hypostatic union, we. The static, which basically means person or personal in Greek. And so we get to this idea of the personal union. And what we have is we have all the things that are divine person.

They're necessary for a human person, and they're counted as one person. And so that that personal union, we could say that there's all the stuff that's necessary for.

But.

In of God and under the law order to make it so that things are are working in accordance with the way that God has designed, he has caused there to be this union, this covenantal union. So ontological.

There's everything. Persons. But we want to talk about the union there because there's this covenantal union of the two person of the two natures into one person. And so we have. Which normally we would talk about a.

But we're talking about the union and that union of the two minds is so that the actions of one are counted to the other. And that language is very similar. The kind of language we see in terms of marriage where you talk.

The flesh union or the. Where you say Christ says, this is my body. And well, it's not literally his body. It's it's bread, but it's representing his body. And so this idea of the blood of God. Well, it's not literally.

But that's divine. Spiritual blood. But it's it's human blood that is united to the second person of the Trinity. And so it's the blood of God in a special way that's different from the blood of other persons.

The Four Knots of Chalcedon and Christological Heresies

Let me ask you. May add controversy to our discussion about the very thing that you just said. One of my greatest modern day heroes, although I do have. Agreements with him on a number. Is John MacArthur.

I love John MacArthur. I disagree with his dispensationalism. And, you know, don't believe in every single word that flows from his mouth or pen. But I. Still view him as one of my. Those of the modern day.

And years ago, he got himself. Into a bit of controversy with fundamentalists. Who, to this day, many will regurgitate. And disapprove. Because John had said, and I'm paraphrasing, I don't have it right in front of me.

But he was basically teaching that there was nothing uniquely, innately. Physical blood. It was his death. That brought about the redemption of his people. And, of course, since the old covenant scriptures, the Hebrew scriptures.

The side that it would be by the ship. That that had to happen in a way that blood was shed. But at the same time, would you agree with.

Arthur.

The fundamentalists who revolted against him over this. Were saying that there was something actually in the physical blood, apparently. That had innate. To its essence.

Good question. So I think it's important that we understand that there's not something about the human nature of Christ. That is somehow magical or different from our own natures. He is like unto us in every way except.

And.

So this.

The blood is the value of the blood is the blood is used as a symbol for life. We're told in Genesis that the blood is a symbol for life. And so when I talk about the shedding of blood. Yes, his blood was.

But it's not.

The blood.

It's the fact that the shedding of the blood is about his giving of his life. So the terms of the covenant are he dies. He gives his life as payment to remove our sin debt. We have a sin debt. From our own corruption.

Sins and the death of Christ pays. A debt payment to remove our guilt. The technical term is expiation.

Right.

And so there's this expiation is removal of the guilt. His perfect obedience. What's sometimes called active obedience. This idea that he fulfills the positive demands of the law. Makes it so he earns our reward.

And so we are able to receive by faith. The righteousness of Christ.

So there's the.

Adam's sin is imputed to us. Our sin, including the sin of Adam. Is imputed to Christ. Christ dies to pay for that. That sin debt. Righteousness is imputed to us. It's a legal transaction with the fulfillment of the terms of the covenant.

And it's not some magical thing about the blood.

I can recall. I don't even remember what movie it was years ago. The death. Christ. But there was a scene where when a Roman soldier. Thrust the spear into Jesus's side to make sure he was dead. The blood.

Side. Showered the Roman soldier on his face and you know practically his whole body. And it was that very thing. The eyes of the Roman soldier. Is truly the son of God. And so it made it appear like it was a magical thing.

Like you were just saying like the blood itself. Was showering this man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I.

That.

This comes down to some sort of a failure to understand. The human nature of Christ. I think that when we think about Christ's two natures. One of the things we should talk about. For the next break is talking.

Of Chalcedon. And I think that the way Chalcedon helps us to think about. The natures of Christ in terms of his humanity.

And his divinity.

Would be really helpful to avoid a lot of the errors and little things that. Superstitious pieces. To be able to figure out how to avoid heresy in our own minds. And so just I want to make sure that people realize.

That you know even though the Trinity we have. One essence with three persons.

In.

In the.

In the.

We have is.

We have.

Person. With two essences.

And.

We have all of the ontological components of. Two persons. But there's that union. Of the two minds. So we call it the hypostatic union.

So.

Important to understand. In order to understand that you really have to understand. The relationship of the two natures properly.

Well we will. Proceed with the four knots of Chalcedon. When we come back. Commercial break which we are.

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