The Pride Problem with The Chosen & TPUSA (Turning Point) Dead Men Walking Podcast #174

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TPUSA, Christian Morality, and the Big Tent of Conservatism

So I didn't know what to title this episode, honestly. At first it was like the truth episode, what true love is, we're gonna be talking about kind of as we get into Pride Month, so to speak. I see some other people online have been calling it Life Month since the overturning of Roe v. Wade last year.

But with that being said, there's been some stuff coming out in the news that not only pertaining to that, but really in general we've been talking about in this podcast for well over three years now, in April.

We're three years old, April 16th, and we've been talking about this since almost the very beginning. The first thing I want to talk about was TPUSA. Turning Point USA is a conservative movement started by Charlie Kirk, and probably right around 2016 -17, maybe a little bit before that, he got really big as a Trump supporter.

It's like the new wave of conservatism. Very, very popular. TPUSA holds rallies and conferences, and his YouTube channel has millions and millions of followers and views. Like I said, I've talked about this quite a while on the podcast.

Before I even started this podcast, I started to become disenfranchised with conservatism in general. It didn't look like they were espousing any type of Christian moral principles. They were ceding to the left.

They were basically giving ground, or maybe even some would say showing their true colors. Or not even their true colors, but when you're rooted in a secular political system and not rooted in the word of God and his laws, well then eventually you're going to be able to be broken down and have to secularism.

So this clip that I want you to listen to, though, we're going to listen to it together, and then I want to discuss it, and I'll link it up on the YouTube page. And I don't know, maybe when I edit this down, I'll even include the actual clip, because I'll try to play it all the way through without commenting, and we'll comment after.

This was someone attending one of his conferences, and he has Charlie Kirk, who is the CEO and president of Turning Point USA. He has a gentleman on stage with him. I believe his name is Rob Smith. He's openly gay and a conservative.

And someone who's attending the conference comes up and asks him a question and goes, why should we cede this type of morality to the left? Charlie, you said you're okay with transgenderism and homosexuality and all these things.

And then Charlie and Rob Smith, the gentleman, replies. So let's take a listen to this, and then we'll talk about it.

What you see here is, what's your name, Rob? Yeah. So you're saying, oh, you're behind the times. This isn't conservative. Well, we don't want centrists in the conservative movement. We want to retain our core values.

Yeah, but here's the thing. We don't want drag queens. But here's the thing. It's not about what you want, because here's the thing. The beauty about social media is that I can be me, and I can bring myself to the table.

And it's not about what you want. It's about what the people want. And if there are enough people in this movement that say, hey, Rob is cool, he's gay, whatever, it really doesn't matter what you think.

You can say whatever you want, and you can believe whatever you want to believe. Let me ask my question. But it's not going to stop me from doing what I'm doing. And it's not going to deplatform me.

So my question is, again, it's directed to Mr. Kirk, because he was raised as a conservative. As the guy before us said, you've advocated for homosexuality, said that there's a place for the gay agenda within the conservative movement.

My question is, and you're also comfortable with transgenders and crossdressers, I understand. So my question is, is there any point where conservatives should take a moral stance on Christian morality, or should we abandon it altogether?

So in other words, what is TPUSA's, what is your brand of conservatism doing to actually conserve Christian morality? If we're ceding to the left on transgender, gay rights, gay marriage, we don't want that in conservatism.

So you don't want him in the conservative movement? I just want to be very clear. Let's just be... So you don't want me in the movement? Hold on a sec. I want to be very clear. Hold on a sec. You're bringing some very charged language.

I'm going to try to calm down the temperature in the room, so I can try to rationally understand an irrational position. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. So I'm a Christian. I believe the Bible is the greatest book ever to exist in the history of the world.

And I believe Rob Smith has decency and dignity as an individual in the United States of America. Hold on a second. We're not a theocracy. We never have been.

You know what? Wait a minute. And wait a minute. Let me hop in here. Hold on. Because I'm in it. He's addressing me. The thing that I don't understand, well, I'm addressing you. How.

About that? You don't even have the courage to address the gay man on stage.

So the problem that I have with as somebody that is a gay Christian, and this is the problem that I have, because my relationship with God and coming back into the church over the past year and a half is one of the greatest gifts that has been given to me in terms of being in this movement.

So so so my question and my question to everybody who tries to say that, oh, you shouldn't be, you know, Christian because you're gay. Why are you trying to turn people away from God? So if you love God and Christianity, it's all right, because I do love God.

So why would you be trying to turn me away? Why would you be trying to turn me away from God?

OK, so there you go. We just listen to it. There's a little longer than I wanted. I think it's a couple a couple of minutes long. But here are some of the issues that I have with it. If you're listening to that right now, if you if you just listen to it, you're going, what the heck is going on?

This sounds more like a leftist rally than a ultra conservative, like like pro-America, pro-Trump, pro-low taxes, generally pro-Christian moral type of group. And now we have the questionnaire saying, hey, we don't want this brand of conservatism.

You're saying we have to accept, you know, homosexuality and transgenderism. And Charlie's making the argument and interrupts him and basically makes the Big Ten argument. Well, you don't want this guy in our movement.

He believes what we believe. Here's the problem with that. First of all, some of the things that I saw in there was the very first thing that stuck out to me is Charlie says the Bible is the greatest book ever written.

Right. And we've talked about this on the podcast before. This is when someone starts saying this is the this is why words and definitions matter. I've seen this time and time and time again. When people start saying the greatest book, right, and not saying the inspired word of God, what they're doing, even if they're doing it subconsciously, is they're now relegating it to the same standard as all of the written books written by man.

Orthodox Christianity says that the Bible is the inspired word of God written by God, by men, through the Holy Spirit, okay, physically written down by men, but through the Holy Spirit on one part of the Godhead.

So what Charlie does here is he's even backing away from orthodox language when talking about the Bible. He says, I'm a Christian. I believe the Bible is the greatest book ever written. Right. I have seen so many times people go from inspired word of God, greatest book ever written.

Some of the greatest teachings ever told should then steps down to, we shouldn't rely on it for scientific data or any historical, or maybe it's just a decent historical book to the next step to that is, yeah, we don't believe anything it says.

We don't have to listen to it. And Charlie's already taking that first step down as the leader of this organization and relegating the Bible to just the greatest book ever written. Well, there's people that have opinions out there too.

Some would say war and peace is the greatest book ever written. Some would say, you know, the line, the witch in the wardrobe is the great, you know, it's not just a book. So even if he's doing it subconsciously, which I don't think he is because he's choosing his words very carefully.

He's okay. And then he kind of makes like a little, a little joke towards one of his supporters. The guy asking the question is just being respectful. And he's saying, why should we cede to the left? Why, what is this brand of conservatism that doesn't protect Christian morality?

And he says, well, with a guest, I need to, I need to work out this irrational question you have. I think it's a very rational question. And I think Charlie's being snide and he's being demeaning and condescending to someone who supports his, or maybe not anymore, but went to his rally and is going to this conference and supports it and asking a real question.

And then he deflects it. He does exactly what he accuses the left of doing all the time. He deflects and changes it and brings up a straw man. It says, oh, well, this was never a theocracy. So he, the guy didn't ask anything about theocracy.

He didn't say we're going to be ruled by priests. He's not talking about any form of Christian nationalism. He's not talking about any type of, you know, doctrinal, you know, theonomy. He's saying, why do you have Rob Smith, who's openly gay, who says, I believe I should be married to another man.

I call that a marriage and calls himself a gay Christian, which we'll get into that in a minute, that oxymoron. Why should he be in part of the conservative movement? If part of the conservative movement is to preserve, which it used to be Christian morals.

And he basically mocks the guy and says, oh, you don't want this guy up here. You don't want this big tent. We need all the support we can get. And here's what happens with the big tent theory because the Republicans do it.

And then you have TPUSA and the Ben Shapiro's and stuff break off of there and the Dennis Prager's and they go, well, we're even more conservative and we don't like the Rhino Republicans. And then these, but then they want a big tent because they go, the Republicans just, they'll just invite anyone to their tent.

But he's doing the same thing now. Charlie is that he accused Rhinos and Republicans of just, you know, a couple of years ago. And he's, and he's essentially saying, oh no, it's okay if you're gay, it's okay if you're transgender, as long as you believe in conservatism.

Well, then I would ask, what is conservatism? What, what, what are we defining here? Is it social? Is it a tax policy? What, what is it? What are we talking about? If we can't even agree on what marriage is, right?

What transgenderism is, what a male and female is. And you're saying, oh no, we need everyone in the big tent. We need Rob Smith on stage saying he's a conservative. Now the answer that Rob jumps in and gives is a little, it's just so backwards, you guys.

This is, this is the day we're living in. He says, I'm a gay Christian. And you know, I, I came back to the church in the last year and a half. That'd be my other red flag. Doesn't say I, I, I confess Christ as Lord.

He's my savior. He, he, he changed me from within. I've been saved by grace. None of these terms. All he says is I've been back in the church for a year and a half. One back in the church does not mean you're a believer, a Christian saved, part of the elect.

Two, year and a half. I would say if you've been a believer for a year and a half, I knew where I was at a year and a half and I wouldn't be up on stage espousing Christian values to an audience at a year and a half.

At best, if you're saved, you are an immature Christian and, and you, you have no, no reason to hold a microphone and talk about these things. But that's all kind of put to the side because you and I, and both know anyone listening right now totally understands that homosexuality, fornication, adultery, murder, uh, being a thief, being a liar stands in direct opposition of the character of God and who he is.

And if you're openly saying, well, I'm a, I'm a gay Christian. That's like me walking into my church and saying, ah, I'm an adulterating believer. I'm a fornicating Christian. I do it openly. Uh, I it's how I was born.

I'm a red blooded male. I would love to sleep with all these women in this church and I'm a believer and I'm a Christian. God saved me. You would look at me and say, you're insane. I'm a, I'm a Bible believing thief.

Well, yeah, I take what I need. That's how I feel. The Lord provides for me. If I see it, I steal it over to a guy's house. I go into his bathroom. I rifle through his, uh, pillbox. I, uh, steal his wallet.

And, uh, that's what I do. What? I'm an open thieving, robbing Christian. God saved me. You would say that's ludicrous, right? Why? Because we have a standard of what God calls us to. And even when we're saved now, can someone be in sin and be saved?

Absolutely. I'm not saying you have to be perfect. And I feel like I have to preface that. Cause I will get messages from people saying, Oh, whoa. Oh, you've never sinned. Judge not lest ye be judged.

They'll misquote that verse and write and say, Oh, you can't call out anyone's sin. No, we're saying this man is standing on stage openly reveling in his sin. Homosexuality, uh, says two men, two women should be married, uh, supports drag Queens supports transgenderism and says, Oh, and by the way, I'm also a Christian.

Well, I would say, I'm going to try to give him a little benefit here. Rob Smith. If you're listening to this, he's probably not. I would say you don't rightly understand what a Christian is them. And I don't know if that's necessarily your fault.

I would say it's probably the fault of generations of horrible preaching of a soft, uh, fatty church that has no strength. That doesn't preach a true gospel. And he's probably now he looks a little younger than me.

He's probably in his mid thirties or early thirties. He's probably grown up saying, no, this is absolutely okay. Yeah, absolutely. Homosexuality and transgenderism and Christianity could coexist. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but for him to say, I I'm a, I'm a, uh, gay Christian.

And I want to know why you're trying to turn me away from God because I've had an experience. Well, here's the thing. First of all, right. That's, I said, Jesus, as we jokingly say, we're, we're turning our walk, our, our salvation in on us and going, how do I feel about it?

Right. Stephen Furtick does this all the time, reads himself into the Bible, reads you into the Bible. Um, you know, the Bible is not about you. It's about Christ. It's about the gospel. It's about the redemptive plan of God himself.

So we can't do that, but that's what he's doing here. That's why I say that year and a half in a air quotes church does not make him save, but he's starting to show his true colors here because he says, why should you turn people away from God by this gentleman saying, yeah, we don't want your brand of conservatism in conservatism.

It's not, it's, it's not, uh, the moral Christian principle that the Bible espouses too. So therefore we don't want you in there. And he turns it back and says, well, you're trying to turn me away from God.

I would say that this gentleman that's asking the question, uh, no, he's trying to turn you from a false God to the true God of the, the, the true gospel and the true God. That's how I would answer that.

But as you see, um, Charlie and that guy just both cut him off. Didn't let him respond. And he was being respectful and it got a lot of traction online over the last few days. I think this came out about a week ago or maybe five days ago and conservatives are going, what's going on here?

Well, here's the thing. These are the things that I've been talking about on this podcast for three years that, uh, men and women much smarter than me have been talking about on their podcasts for years before that.

Um, if you want to go look up podcasts by, uh, Joel Webben at right response ministries, um, cross politic, uh, four or five, six years ago, they have been talking about. And so have I, that when you remove God from a country or move God from a movement, it's not a vacuum.

It just isn't a vacuous space. You have to replace it with something. You're either serving God or you're serving pagan gods. That's, that's your two choices. You're serving God or the devil. You're, there's no neutral site here.

So when conservatism does this thing where it says, Hey, we need this big tent, this conservative movement. Yeah. Uh, we, we really agree on, um, the abortion thing. Uh, we're pro-life in this movement and we've got some gay Christians that are pro-life.

Yeah. Come into our movement because we agree on these things. You can't do that. It's either all God or all nothing. Shedding of innocent blood is an abomination. Just like homosexuality is an abomination.

Transgenderism is an abomination, fornication, adultery, lying, murdering. These are the things that God finds an abomination, unequal weights, high interest in, uh, in, in old law. These are things that God says, absolutely not.

You're not allowed to do. These are, these are not biblical. So there's no neutral place in this. And now we're seeing even the conservative movement trying to try to gain traction and try to gain more power and, and more influence are the leaders in these movements are starting to, um, acquiesce, right?

Because, Hey, gay marriage has been legal for five years now. I think five, six years, the Supreme court said, Hey, no, everyone has the constitutional right to marry. That's why we see Ben Shapiro on the daily wire celebrating, uh, Ruben's baby with his, uh, with, you know, with, with his husband.

Um, what's his name? Dave Rubin. I think it is. That's why you see, um, Dennis Prager saying, ah, you know, porno, isn't that bad really? As long as it's not cheating on your wife and you're just doing it for variety, there's no biblical standard, uh, outside of Christ.

And these organizations don't believe in Christ. Well, Dennis Prager is a Jew. Uh, so is Ben Shapiro. Um, Charlie Kirk says he's a Christian, but as you just saw, he just thinks, you know, the Bible is a really good book.

Um, he's not espousing any type of actual Christian Orthodox values. Um, and that's why he's sitting on stage with a gay Christian air quotes again. I'm saying, Hey, he should be in the tent. He can help fight for us.

Well, what is he fighting for? Charlie? What is he fighting for? You started on social issues. This is a social issue. And here's my prediction guys. Here's my prediction. There's two predictions I have.

And I said this on Twitter and you can go check it out. One, this is the reason, well, it's kind of a prediction and it's happening right now, but it's going to keep happening. This is the reason why hundreds of thousands of Christians who also identified as conservatives, are leaving the TPU essays.

They're leaving the daily wires and bench apparels. They're leaving the Fox news is they're leaving the Dennis Prager's and they're going, where can I get actual conservatism in the sense of conserving biblical morality, Christian morality, and guess where they're finding it.

They're finding it at cross politic. They're finding it with Doug Wilson. They're finding it with Joel Webin. They're finding it with James White. They're finding it with Tom Askell, right? They're finding it with the cultish podcast.

They're finding it with here. I stand theology. They're finding it all, you know, all these different places these podcasts and these shows that actually stand on biblical principle and they're migrating there.

Our numbers are going up and I'm not putting my, this podcast here in with any of those people I just mentioned. I'm saying my numbers keep going up. People seem to be listening to something because we stand for something.

Uh, I know I've seen cross politic numbers. I've seen right response ministry numbers. It I'm not going to share them publicly unless they want to share them. It is astounding. I'm talking huge amounts of people now.

Am I saying that because I go, Oh, well they have influence and they have a bigger following? No, it's to prove a point that people that believers are attracted to biblical things. And I would say if I really dug down into those numbers and if I dug down into mine, conservatives, even secular conservatives are going, there has to be a standard and daily wire does not have a standard anymore.

Uh, that is Prager. No standard anymore. Tipping point, USA, TP, USA, or whatever it's called. No standard anymore. So conservatives are left holding the bag going, we supported you. We're sending you your money.

We're, we're rallying for you. We're out knocking doors for you for the candidates you support. And now you can't even clearly say that transgenderism is wrong, that there's an issue with transgenderism.

That's what a TP USA can't say. So these people are leaving and where are they flocking to? They're flocking to those with standards and principles, mostly those with godly standard and principles. So I just wanted to get that out because I see this coming.

Um, that, that was, uh, and I, you know, I said I had two predictions. Um, that was, Oh, my second prediction. I'm sorry. Uh, I get going there and I, and then I forget where I'm at second prediction.

And I think this is going to happen. I hate to say it, but homosexuality now is where 10 years down the road to where now conservatives are starting to accept it in 10, 15 years, you will see not maybe not even that long, maybe five to 10 years.

You will see the TP USAs and the Ben Shapiro's and the Dennis Prager's having transgenders on their show, uh, commentating, maybe running a show. They will then accept that. And then maybe another 15, 20 years from there that can, unless something drastic happens, the conservative movement will accept all of it.

They'll accept the drag queen stuff though, because that's what conservatism always does outside of the standard of God. Is it just always acquiesce? It just takes longer. That's all it is. The leftist and the progressive progressives accepted up front and then push it through secular culture.

The conservatives hold off, but they always end up accepting it. When's the last time you heard a conservative talk about tax breaks or even, even, uh, balancing the budget or reducing our debt when, Oh, well, we're fighting this social war.

You guys were fighting the social war. So we'll get back to that. Yeah. Right. They just accepted, uh, even, even Trump, he was one of the worst spenders ever in his budgets, military, uh, non-discretionary everything.

And we just go, ah, trillions of dollars in debt. We don't need to cut tech deal. When's the last time you've heard a conservative movement talk about smaller government? I mean, we hear it from some senators and some us reps and, Oh, we need smaller government.

And they go right along. And most of them vote for the debt ceiling raising last week. Let's just push that debt ceiling up, go trillions more in debt. Well, heck, hopefully we'll get to 30 trillion before, you know, the end of next year.

I'm saying that facetiously, but that's, what's happening. We, we, so we've just acquiesced on those things. And now we're trying to fight this social war, supposedly social culture war, but without the foundation of Christ, without the foundation of biblical law, we will always be on a moving goalpost.

We'll always be on a ship that's floating at sea. It won't be grounded in anything. And we'll, and I say we, but I don't even consider myself part of the conservative movement anymore because it's so diluted.

Um, we, we will just keep conceding. So, um, yeah, go ahead and take a look at that. I think there's a longer form of that clip online. You can go find it. It's a TP USA with Charlie Kirk and Rob Smith, but I don't want to spend too much more time on that, but I just thought it was very interesting.

Another good point. And you want to, what goes up guys, if you're listening, go support those guys. I mentioned, go support those podcasts and those shows, uh, Lord TV, uh, cross politic, Joel Webben, um, you know, all those different podcasts that are actually espousing biblical principle, uh, because they need your support.

Um, and I think that's one way that we can advance the kingdom of Christ and, um, bring glory to him. So kind of in the same vein, I want to talk about another thing that was, that was a little, um, I don't know that ruffled some feathers.

The Chosen, Pride, and Unequally Yoked Partnerships

It's, uh, there was a video and I don't have it right now. Um, I don't know, maybe I, maybe I will have by the time I record this. And if you're watching it, you'll get to see it, but essentially I'll describe it to you.

It was just a little 10 second clip of essentially, uh, on the chosen set of season four being shot. Someone saw a pride flag on one of the cameras and it was like, you know, a camera was shooting a camera shooting the scene.

So like the camera shooting, the scene had a pride flag on it. Someone caught it and said, Hey, what's a pride flag doing? Uh, you know, I'm on the set of the supposedly a Christian show. Right. And, uh, Oh boy, did this start a firestorm?

Uh, it really did. Um, I made a couple of comments on it online. I had some friends of mine, uh, say, look, and I disagree. Like it's still a good show. Um, you know, it says the name of Jesus, right.

And well, not only that, before I get into that, also a couple of the actors, uh, came out and supported it. Uh, I think the actor that plays James and the actor that plays a Thaddeus, uh, came out and said, Hey, look at, I support my, you know, this is a large cast and I support my, uh, you know, gay brothers and sisters and, and we're a family and, you know, this isn't very Christian of you.

What would Jesus think? You know, kind of the don't judge, right? So anytime as a believer, if you say other believers should have the moral standard that God calls us to, you are now judged and you're anti Jesus.

And, uh, that's not what Jesus would do. In fact, Jesus did the exact opposite of that. He called people to repentance. He said, you're a sinner repent. That's what Jesus did. Right? So when they say that, it's not true, but so you, just like the previous segment, where we're talking about TPU, I say, you're starting to see even within the Christianity and, and friends of mine that I truly believe are saved, that I believe are Christians defending this show because they love the show.

They're emotionally attached to the show. They can't separate the fact out that, Hey, you can't be a show, uh, about the life of Christ and then unequally yoke yourself. Proverbs talks about business ventures being unequally yoke yourself with producers and writers and cameramen and get, uh, rippers and gaffs and gaffers or whatever the heck they're called, you know, all these ADs, all these people on set that do not have those same values, those same biblical values.

Proverbs is very clear about being unequally yoked in business. That's number one. Number two, this gets us into kind of like icon theology, which I've been thinking about an awful lot. I absolutely love art.

I'm a musician. Uh, my three kids and my wife are artists. Uh, they're musicians, artists. I mean, we write music. We, we, uh, have draw, you know, draw drawings and paintings and all these things we craft and all that stuff.

But the more I've been thinking about it, the more I think, wow, doesn't it make sense that God just says no idols and no graven images. Uh, because we have a lot of graven images of Christ in this culture through media, through pictures, through paintings, right.

Through cartoons, animation, all this stuff. And there was this big movement about four or five years ago about how, you know, most paintings of Jesus is this like brown haired, blue eyed, like white Jesus.

And I would always laugh. Like from a young age, I was like, wait, wasn't he Jewish? I have, I know some Jewish people. They don't look like that. He definitely, he does. That definitely doesn't look Arabic.

Right. And even from a young age, I kind of understood like, well, that's not really what Jesus looks like, but here's the thing. When we start making media and, and having actors act as Jesus, this goes for the passion too.

Okay. The passion of Christ, which I watched. And at the time in 2004, I loved, but I've come a little bit in my theology and the way of thinking hopefully matured a little bit since then, when we start making Jesus in pictures and media, we're making Christ in our own eyes.

We're making him in our image when he's the unimaginable uncreated one. This is why the Bible says, yeah, don't make graven images. Don't make images of, of God or Christ because what you do is you immediately make him in your own image.

You make him what you want him to be. This is what Catholics did with Jesus. I mean, that's why he's a white guy with a nice, soft brown beard and blue eyes. I'm telling you right now, I don't know what Christ looked like, but I bet he didn't look like that.

Bet you had olive skin, dark eyes, dark, curly hair, something around there. Right? So this is a very dangerous thing where one, just on the grounds of making Christ in our own eyes, I would say me and my family, just we, we sustain from the chosen for one of the, one of the reasons.

Second reason would be on equally yolk partnering with, um, you know, pro gay, pro homosexual, pro-gender people. Thirdly, partnering with funding through Mormonism, which is a cult, which is a false gospel.

So you have all these things. And then obviously the content of the show, there's some things in there where some Mormonism seeps in the theology and doctrine is off. So all these things added together go, yeah, I'm not gonna, I don't want to watch that.

Right. And I've said this to some of my friends online and offline and the response I get, and I'm a pick on my charismatic for a minute. And I'm sorry if you're charismatic and you're listening to this, but this is, this is the thing that I get the most from charismatic.

This is the response. Yeah. But the name of Jesus is going out. I had a pastor tell me that. Yeah. But at least the name of Jesus is going out. And I, and I went, okay, but it's a false gospel. It's, it's a false Jesus.

So I really sat with that and I, and I just thought about it for a little bit. And I said, why do my more Pentecostal charismatic friends, they're really into this show and they, and they just love that.

Well, at least you're learning about Jesus, right? And my brain goes, yeah, but you're learning about a false Jesus. So are you really learning about Jesus? That's the philosophical part of my brain, right?

What is truth? Really? If I'm learning a false truth, I'm not learning truth first and foremost, but then I was thinking about it. And I think here, here's the issue that I think is happening and it happens outside of charismatics and Pentecostals, but I see it more there.

And I can say this because I was involved in a very Pentecostal church for many, many years. So, so I think I can, I kind of see into this and I can understand why they think this way, because in Pentecostal charismatic churches, you're taught that just the name of Jesus has power.

And just, just the name, oh, demons tremble at the name, the, the, the, the sound that comes out of your mouth. And here's the, here's the issue. Yes. Demons tremble at the name of Jesus, but not because of the name.