May 17, 2019 Show with Daniel R. Hyde on “Grace Worth Fighting For: Recapturing the Vision of God’s Grace in the Canons of Dordt” AND Michael A. Gaydosh on “More Recommendations for the Best in Christian Literature”

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For the first hour, we're going to have Danny Hyde joining us again on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

He is an author and conference speaker and pastor at

Oceanside United Reformed Church, and he is going to be discussing his new book, Grace

Worth Fighting For, Recapturing the Vision of God's Grace in the Canons of Dort.

During the second hour, my dear friend of many years, going back to the 1980s, Michael A. Gaydosch,

founder and director of Solid Ground Christian Books.

He is returning to the program to discuss more recommendations for the best in Christian literature.

But first of all, it's my honor and privilege to welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Danny Hyde.

Hey Chris, thanks for having me.

Good to be here.

It's great to have you on the program, brother.

And before we go into the topic at hand, Grace Worth Fighting For, Recapturing the Vision of God's Grace in

the Canons of Dort, please let us know about Oceanside Reformed Church, United

Reformed Church.

Sure.

Yeah, we have been in existence since the year 2000.

I was actually a seminary student out here at Westminster Seminary, California when we first started

a little church plant Bible study and then kind of took off from there.

So yeah, I've been here since 2000.

We are located just on the border of Carlsbad and Oceanside here in

sunny San Diego, Southern California.

I preach the gospel every Sunday and seek to worship Him and evangelize a lot.

So if anybody out there finds this recording or is listening live or knows someone in

the North County San Diego area, let them know that we exist.

Great.

And that congregation is a member of the United Reformed Church of North

America.

From my understanding, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that denomination largely came to be

from congregations in the United States and also in Canada that

left the Christian Reformed Church largely due to protests over the encroachment of liberalism.

Am I right on that?

That's right, yeah.

And, you know, where Reformation Church and Reformation spread throughout Europe, it made its way to

the Netherlands and then eventually immigrants from the Netherlands came to the New World and

then those churches became what we call the Christian Reformed Church

and out of

that, in the mid -1900s, for basically what you said, the issues of, I

would describe it as the authority of scripture, the clarity of scripture on issues,

for example, women in office, women ministers, women elders, it's

not just an issue of who can preach, who cannot preach, it really comes down to the

issue of do we take what God says as authoritative or not?

And so that was the last straw that brought the camels back that led to the formation of our churches and

people might know names like Kim Riddlebarger or Michael Horton or Cornelius or

Cornelius Fenema, those are sort of our quote -unquote big names, the main theologians that are in our little circle.

Yeah, I've had all those men on the program.

Oh, good, good.

And you said it was formed in the middle of the 1900s, wasn't it, much more recent than that for some reason?

Yeah, yeah, 1990, my fault, yeah, 1990.

Okay.

And for you folks who either live near Oceanside, California or you're planning on visiting there or

if you have family and friends and loved ones there, the website for that church is

OceansideURC .org.

OceansideURC .org for the Oceanside United Reformed Church.

I hope that many of you folks at least at some point visit there.

Well, the title of your book is quite provocative, Grace Worth

Fighting For, Recapturing the Vision of God's Grace in the Canons of Dort.

For some weird reason, I don't know how younger you are than me, but

for some weird reason...

44, yeah, 44 years young.

Okay, you're 13 years younger than me, so you may not remember this, but when I was a kid,

there was a TV commercial, when they actually had TV commercials for cigarettes, and it was the

Tarotin cigarette brand, which I don't even know if they exist anymore, but their

logo was, I'd Rather Fight Than Switch.

And the person in the ad, whoever it happened to be for that particular ad, always had a black

eye.

But why did you choose a title like that, Grace Worth Fighting For?

Yeah, thanks.

Wow.

I would say because that's what we read in the New Testament letters from

the apostles.

And we think about sometimes the church in the earliest centuries as being the golden

age, and oh, it would be so great if we could just get back to the good old days when we had

apostles and prophets running around, and churches were just worshiping the

Lord, and no controversy, everybody had all things in common and so forth.

From my background, Pentecostalism, this was sort of like a running theme that we were always taught about,

that in the early church, people's God just loved the Lord and reveled

in His grace, and if we can just get back to that, that old doctrinal division and so forth.

But you read the New Testament letters, and it's a totally different story than that, isn't it?

It's a big mess.

Just like today.

And just one example, the small little letter, the Epistle of Jude, the very

back of our New Testament, right before you get to the Book of Revelation, there's a tiny little one -chapter,

quote -unquote one -chapter letter, this letter of Jude, and he tells these

believers that he's writing to that he had intended to write to them about their common salvation, but

he was compelled to write to them, to exhort them to contend, or to fight

earnestly for the faith that was once for the Lord and the saints, and then he goes on to explain why, and he says,

because some people have crept into the Church and who have turned the grace of God

into a, you know, basically a means of sinning.

And so grace, God's grace obviously is

loving, forgiving, merciful disposition and attitude towards

sinners who come to Him in repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, but we can use His grace as a

license to sin, and so that image is, throughout the New Testament,

number three, it's just sort of the clearest example of how you see these two

different ideas, you know, we don't really put grace and fighting right in the same...

But yeah, they're right there in the New Testament, I mean, Paul's writing these letters, you know,

asking Romans, you know, should I sin that grace should abound, and so forth, or Galatians, where they're turning

God's grace into a way to get gents'

ceremonies and traditions and laws, and so grace, the concept of God's

grace is just forgiving and merciful to

constantly be struggled over so that we can clearly proclaim the gospel and people can believe it.

Amen.

And, you know, it's a sad thing, and I'm sure this is not just a

common thing in the 21st century, I'm sure this has existed as long as there have been Christians, but

it's a sad thing to see that not only don't many Christians, or at

least professing ones, but I would even include in that regenerate, genuinely born -again Christians,

that many, not only do they not think grace is worth fighting for, they don't think that the

gospel of Jesus Christ, or even Jesus Christ himself, is worth getting embarrassed for,

by even bringing him up in public, just because you're afraid of getting a strange look from

the clerk at the store, or you don't want to upset your family at the Thanksgiving dinner table,

or whatever the case may be.

I can even remember working for a Christian radio network,

so -called, and we sent out Christmas cards, and the

card said, Season's Greetings on them.

I'm like, what?

We're supposed to be a Christian network.

Why are we, of all people, supposed to be embarrassed by this?

But, you know, it is a sad day and age where it's probably more

prevalent than ever, but this is the 400th anniversary, as you well know,

of the Synod of Dort, and we've done a number of programs already, this being

the 400th anniversary, on this great Synod of History that has not only blessed the

Dutch wing of the Reformation, of Reformed Christendom, but has also just blessed,

I believe, the entirety of Christendom since 400 years ago, when the

Synod finished convening, and I believe it was in this very

month that it came to a conclusion,.

That even.

Those that may not even realize how much they have been blessed by what was

put down for all to be blessed by at this Synod, but if you could give our listeners a summary

of why this Synod gathered, tell us a little bit of the background and summary form of the Synod of Dort.

Sure.

I'll define the term a Synod, just a fancy, an old Greek word that means

a gathering, it's an ecclesiastical churchly gathering of pastors, theologians,

in this case, there were nuns involved, and they gathered

together from across Europe in 1618 and 19

for the Synod in a, just a shorthand form of Dort,

a city in the southern Netherlands, and they gathered there

from across, I mentioned Europe, to deal with a man that

we know as James Arminius,

Jacobus Arminius, was a Dutch in

Amsterdam in the late 15th century, of theology in a Dutch university

in Leiden, and began to teach and to preach ideas

about grace that were in conflict,

reformational teachings of the gospel and God's grace that had been

proclaimed for a couple generations at that point, and so he

began teaching just in the simplest of ways that

save some, so he believed in election, predestination,

but that choice of God was based upon a prior

choice, looking down the corridor of time as it

were, using their free will and so therefore he responded

with salvation and so obviously that brings up you know, people might ask, well you know why

split over hairs about predestination, why is that a big deal?

Well, the big deal is that when one views God's predestinating eternal

work that way, that it's based on foresight or foreseeing of faith

that turns faith into, you know, simply speaking, works, and that turns

the response of a sinner and

so that faith albeit what

not

chooses us because we've chosen him, that inevitably just destroys the whole gospel of

Reformation, that's the whole reason why the Reformation existed, was to proclaim the purity of grace apart from works and the

justification of sinners, so that was that's really at the heart of the issue,

there are lots of other topics which we'll talk about, but that was really the heart of the issue, so they

gathered as far as England

and Scotland, on the western edge of Europe

and as far as places in Germany and

so forth, so they gathered to deal with these teachings of Arminius.

Yeah, you have a section in your book in fact, on the grace of predestination, and I'm

sure you agree that those that oppose the Reformed faith

are typically at least in my experience and the experience of many Reformed brethren that I've spoken with

the main objection to the doctrines of grace, the doctrines of Calvinism, the doctrines of Reformed theology

whether the non -Calvinist admits it or not or articulates it this way, it's really an opposition

to unconditional election, they don't like the idea that there are people out there that

really have no quote -quote chance of coming to faith in Christ, and

they are repulsed by that, they see a title like your section in the book, the grace of

predestination and they may say, what on earth are you talking about, that's a nightmare because

they very wrongly are objecting to something, first of all, that is not even what Reformed people historically

believe it's not even something that we would say we find

in the scriptures they usually equate double predestination which I do believe in,

I do believe in double predestination, but they usually equate that with equal ultimacy they usually equate

that with their understanding in some way that man is born

morally neutral and God has to supernaturally impose upon some

wickedness in order for them to deserve damnation and he forces the others against their will to

believe, and this is really a caricature and something that has not ever been taught by at

least the great men of God who have championed the Reformed faith that we uphold as heroes

this has never been taught in the history of the Reformed faith, am I right?

That's right double

predestination, that's been used from very early on double

predestination or you know an election to salvation and

passing over some kind of language of that, reprobation God passes some over and

like you said they're not, to use sort of the theological jargon, they're not equally ultimate

as if God creates some to be saved and as the caricature says he creates

others to be damned.

That's not what Macanadort have a very lengthy

section at the end where it says this is not our teaching, this is slander

and anyone who teaches this basically is out of the bounds of our confessional understanding.

So yeah, that's typically what happens is people use the most extreme caricature

straw man and try to take that down in response to it rather than, you

know, from our vantage point and I would say it's the vantage point of clear

texts of scripture that have been understood throughout

Christianity you know, from the earliest days.

So, you know, this doctrine is not small.

C Catholic who turn

to texts like Romans 9 which is, you know, Paul is discussing there

why it is that God elects people, the Israelites as

Messiah and so then the way he explains that is by talking about

predestination that not only Israel is real and it's always been this way but it's not as if God's word has

failed.

You go on to read that passage Romans chapter 9, I encourage people to read through that he gives examples from Old

Testament you know, patriarchs and forefathers and, you know, that God you know, that Jacob I love, Esau

I hate it, then people's natural response to that, Romans 9 verse 14 where

Paul uses the objections, the natural objections that we have when he says, you know, what should we say then, is there

injustice on God's part if he loves some and doesn't love others or hates them, is

that for God to choose some and others and what does Paul say it's

absolutely not.

God has mercy in whom he has mercy and he has compassion in whom he has compassion he's God, he can do what he wants

and then he can pardon some and he can soften others, and again the objection is, Romans 9 verse

19 what is God's fault

if God didn't, you know, soften my heart if God didn't choose me why does he find fault then for a person

who doesn't believe if God is so almighty and

all powerful and his will can't be resisted.

What's the point, why should I how can I be at fault.

And essentially how Paul answers the question he doesn't really answer it, per se he simply says, who are you, oh

man, reply to God, and he gives the illustration of God being a potter and we're just pieces of clay.

In other words, we should be humbled and be reverent towards God recognize that God is God

and the attitude of is never

to feel that God hasn't given a

chance to and so forth, you know, we have lots of objections but what it comes down to is that God is in

his mercy and his grace and he's almighty in that mercy and grace and so we should

allow God to be God and simply serve him and worship him and praise him

for his amazing grace that's been revealed to us and pray that he

uses us to give us our numerous

compatibility.

Objections.

Yeah, the thing that's bizarre is that you have many non -reformed Christians

who will try to turn Romans 9 into an allegory about God

favoring the nation of Israel above all other nations and the thing that is strange is that they

would find that to be more comforting than God choosing

individuals when so how is it more comforting to you that entire nations of people are

vessels of wrath?

It doesn't make any sense to think that that is a more comforting concept because it's clearly salvific,

we're talking about salvation and damnation here where Paul through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit was because he refers to them as

vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath.

Yep, yeah and yeah, so those who take Romans 9 as

quote class election that God chooses classes of people you know, the

Esau, Edomites nations, or categories of people it doesn't

soften it in any way it still says what it says let's say it only means Israel and

the rest of the world.

Well, God has chosen Israel in his sovereign grace

sovereign will justice and passing them by

but the objections still don't stand, is there injustice on God's part, so why does he still find fault, who

can resist his will?

The objections and the answers that Paul gives still apply, so even if we take it out of the realm of individual

salvation, he's still speaking in these very powerful terms of the grace

of God, that God has God and he's soft and

palatable, the problem is us, you know with

our own weak understanding, the problem is not what God says, the problem is our understanding.

Of it.

Yes, and when we come back from our first break, we're going to have you speak a bit on the grace of

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We are now back with Danny Hyde, and we are discussing his book, Race Worth Fighting For.

That's a new book of his that is published by the Davenant

Press.

Can you tell us about this organization, the Davenant Group?

Yeah!

Davenant is an organization,

a whole

bunch of different, recapturing, as the

subtitle of my book is, or

reassessing and bringing back classic Protestant theology.

And so to get these things not just published, of course, in

ways that people can understand for themselves.

So they've published multiple books by lots of

current authors, as well as Reformation authors, by re -typesetting,

updating language and so forth, so people can read some more obscure books, but read them in an

easier way, in modern idioms.

But yeah, basically an organization that's seeking to recapture the treasures of

the Reformation for today.

So it's a great organization.

I encourage people to go out and look it up.

And of course, I could give our listeners right now the website for

the Davenant Group.

It's davenintstitute

.org, D -A -V -E -N -A -N institute .org.

Before I move on to the section that I mentioned earlier on the grace of satisfaction,

we do have a couple of listeners I might as well try to squeeze their questions in before we run out of time, since you can only be on an hour.

We have Mary in Cork, Ireland, who wants to know, how do you respond to people

who are terrified by the doctrine of predestination, because they fear that they are not of the

elect, even if they have repented, believe upon Christ, and follow Him,

they think that this is such a concept of mystery in the mind of God alone, that they can never be sure if they're

of the elect, and it drives some people into a deep depression and fear.

Wow.

First of all, I...

Yeah, that's

a great question.

So, me as a pastor says, to anyone,

you'll be saved.

And, you know, to trust in His promises that God so loves the world that all who believe

in Him should not perish, should have everlasting life, you know, these clear scriptural

promises of looking to Christ, putting our faith in Jesus Christ, when we do this,

we are told by scripture that we are safe.

You know, whether we feel that or not, it is a matter of

physical and emotional and social and emotional spiritual struggles,

sinful struggles, in all the various realms of our lives, but God clearly promises to us that

if we do sin, that we have an advocate with the Father Jesus, the Righteous One, He's a

propitiation, He turns away God's wrath, all of our sins.

Election, predestination, these are, number one, they are topics in the Bible.

Secondly, they're proclaimed, if you read closely, the context in which

the Old Testament, you know, Deuteronomy Chapter 7, for example, why does Moses preach about

predestination and the election of Israel?

Well, he's doing that to encourage these saints who have been wandering in

their struggles for 40 years, to tell them that God chose you, not because you are greater

in number than anybody else, but because He loves you, and so He's meant to comfort them.

Jesus does the same thing, the other predestination,

Romans 9 -11, because He's trying to explain to His audience and

Himself, that they would all be saved, He's bringing that up

to explain why it is that some believe and some don't.

So, yes, it is a mystery, it's beyond our full comprehension, but yet there are things that are revealed,

and those things are revealed magnified by God, humble us, so that we would put our hope and trust in

Jesus Christ.

So it's not for us to sit around and just contemplate, you know, speculate about eternal

predestination, it's our calling to meditate upon Christ, and when we do that, as John Calvin said,

He is the mirror of our election.

When we look to Christ, we trust in Him, we meditate upon Him,

we come to know that God has loved us, from all eternity, and that we are His children.

Yeah, people who are reprobate, although there are millions of

reprobates that have had false professions in Christ, and have had professions of faith in a false

Christ, and in a false gospel, but those that have a genuine repentant faith in the true Christ

of Scripture, and have trust in His saving work on Calvary alone,

as their only means to salvation, a reprobate is not going to demonstrate that.

It's only His elect people that will do that, am I right?

Yeah, that's right.

And even just, you know, thinking about Paul himself, read Romans 9, 10, 11, how

does Paul preface each of those chapters?

Well, it's by, he's agonizing, you know, he has an experiential struggle with

the reality that he knows that God is sovereign, but he also desires the salvation of all of

his countrymen, his fellow kinsmen, and according to the flesh, the Jewish people, he longs for them to be saved.

He even goes so far as to say that if it was possible, he wishes that he himself was cut off,

and cursed, so that the rest of them can be the struggle of a believer's heart.

You know, and the wrestling with God, you know, knowing all things,

and determining, and you know, planning and purposing all things, at the same time my own weak faith, my own sinful

struggles.

But again, that's

why the faith in Him, and to meditate upon Him, and to know Him,

the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings.

Well, thank you, Mary in Cork, Ireland, you have won a free copy of Grace Worth Fighting For, so thank you

so much for contributing your excellent question to our program.

We have David in Ada, Ohio, and David asks,

is the name of Jesus worth fighting for?

I hear a lot of Christians speak of God, either in song or testimony, without mentioning the name of God.

His name is Jesus.

I am reminded of a song by Leon Petillo, where he clearly and

enthusiastically proclaims Jesus as our Lord and God, and I am a Reformed Baptist, and feel the name of Jesus is not being

proclaimed as it should be in our songs, or testimony, or even perhaps sermons.

I wonder if you have noticed this happening.

Can grace be grace without identifying Jesus as the author and perfecter of it?

That's an interesting question.

A year after 9 -11, I was in New York City for a Christian gathering, remember

this is a Christian gathering, and this was at Madison Square Garden.

There were thousands of people there, and they had all these ministers, both famous and

local, who got up to the podium, and many Christian recording artists who got

up and performed, and the only people at that event where thousands were

gathered who mentioned Jesus Christ by name were just a couple of local

Hispanic pastors that no one had ever heard of.

These men were strong enough in their faith that they were not ashamed of the

gospel.

They were more fearful of God than men, and they named Jesus by name.

But all these famous Christian recording artists and other people, not a mention of Jesus.

It was all God, God, God.

Now, does our guest, or should I say our listener, have a point here?

Yeah, I think I read or maybe listened to something by Sinclair Ferguson a while

back on this.

Yeah, and we can talk a lot

about 10 years, maybe a dozen years or so, you know, about gospel -centered

this, you know, there's a whole sort of cottage industry of books and blogs and, you know, whatever about gospel -centered this and

gospel -centered that.

You know, and we talk about preaching the gospel and, you know, this and that.

The point that, you know, the gospel is Jesus first and foremost.

And so yeah, I do think that we, in Reformed circles,

we can be very abstract, doctrinaire, and miss the

point that, you know, when we preach about justification, we should be preaching about Jesus.

We preach about predestination, we should be preaching about Jesus.

I mean, predestination is hardly a topic that I ever preach because it doesn't show up in the Bible a whole

lot.

I mean, it's there, but it's not as if it's, you know, front and center.

But when those texts come up and you preach those texts, it always drives us, you know, we

should be loudly proclaiming the name of Jesus.

It's in His name alone that we're saved.

And, you know, as pastors, we need to be as clear as possible that we're not preaching a generic God.

We're not just preaching, you know, sort of harmony amongst, you know, mankind.

We're preaching that Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God in human flesh, born of the Virgin Mary,

lived in Nazareth, a

father, and lived, walked, talked, all that stuff.

This real human being, God -man, is the one that's saved from

sin.

So yes, we should be loudly proclaiming and struggling to proclaim in our time

Jesus above all.

Praise God.

Well, the section of the book that I wanted to address now is The Grace of Satisfaction.

And although I just got this book very recently and haven't had a chance to read it, I

am assuming, and I could be wrong, I'm assuming you're talking about particular redemption or definite atonement or limited atonement as

they are, as the atonement that Christ provided on Calvary is

called by various nicknames like that, and substitutionary atonement is another?

Yeah, that's right.

Those are the sort of popular ways that they're, yeah, that's an issue that came up again in the

17th century, the grace of

God in Jesus

Christ and those who come to know him.

So, you know, there's a lot of, you know, the

cans of darts.

What they do say is that God's justice must be satisfied

in order for any sinner who's under the wrath of God to be acceptable to God.

So his justice must be satisfied, his wrath must be satisfied, and the remedy for that is

Jesus' hellish agony on the cross.

So he satisfies God's justice, and that satisfaction is

of infinite value, of infinite worth.

It's enough for the salvation of a thousand worlds, many reformed people,

and I found this even back as far as Aquinas, comes to Aquinas, Roman Catholic theologian, have always

proclaimed even one drop of Jesus' blood, to put

it in crass terms, is enough to save an infinite number of worlds.

Because it's the death of the Son of God in human flesh who's satisfying the wrath of God.

Yeah, the non -reformed person who is repulsed by limited atonement

misunderstands it, because as Charles Spurgeon said, it is the Arminian who truly limits the atonement because he

limits its power.

We who are reformed believe that the power of Christ's death was unlimited, it was only limited in

the number of people for whom it was intentionally provided.

Yeah, yeah, so God has purpose, yeah, you know, quote -unquote particular

redemption, you know, out of the smallest eternity

chosen to salvation, those are the

ones that, in general senses,

Christ has died for.

You know, the language of Christ dying for the world, there is a firm that,

but what we're really talking about here is that his death actually intended and

applied, eventually applied, for the Holy Spirit, for Christ's

death.

Amen.

God intended it, yeah, and so, yeah, it's not as if he just dies in a sort of generic

sense, kind of like a general covering of death and salvation, you know, for everyone,

and as long as you embrace Jesus, you know, it's

good.

No, his death is good, his death is efficacious and powerful, and

those for whom it's intended, it's going to be applied for them, so that's what Christ is

doing on the cross.

He is satisfying the sins of the world, as the Bible says, but in the

most particular sense, he's dying for his sheep, he's laying down his life for his sheep.

Amen.

Yes, and you just reminded me to plug another book by the great John Murray, Redemption Accomplished.

Oh yeah, yes.

A very brief book, but an excellent book on this subject, and our conversation also reminds me

of my favorite of all hymns before the throne of God above, and indulge me, don't

worry, I'm not going to sing, but I wanted to just quote from that beautiful hymn that has become my favorite.

When Satan tempts me to despair and tells me of the guilt within, upward

I look and see him there who made an end of all my sin.

Because the sinless Savior died, my sinful soul is counted free, for

God the just is satisfied to look on him and pardon me.

I just love that.

I love the whole hymn, but that line, oh boy.

That's great.

Amen.

And we do have, let's see here, we have another listener, we have CJ

in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, and CJ wants to know, I have even heard Reformed

and Calvinistic Christians tell strangers that Jesus loves them and died for them, but this is very

inconsistent according to our theology, is it not?

Well, I would say that there have been Reformed people in our history that have said that, who have said that it's

not inconsistent, because we can say that Jesus died, that God loves the

world, that Jesus' death is sufficient for the sins of the world, and so forth.

So there have been some, and I'm not necessarily arguing for or against this, but I'm saying that there have been some who have said

this.

You know, the time that Senator Dort from the Delegates said this very thing.

I guess for me, you know, it's not about that.

The issue for me is, you know, New Testament preaching is clearly focused upon

repentance and belief.

It's not about, you know, telling, having to tell every individual, you know, person, you

know, that God loves them, you know, and then sort of figure out what that means for them and so forth.

But the New Testament just proclaims that there is a God, that He has sent His Son, God, He's gonna

come again to judge, read the Book of Acts, what the six themes are.

God is gonna send His Son again to judge, and you better repent and believe.

So, you know, do I tell seemingly unbelieving people

that, you know, God loves them and has wonderful plans for their lives, that Christ died for your sins?

I don't say that.

I have my own reasons for that, but yeah, so I think we should get away from, you know, that

debate, that argument, and focus more on the pattern of New Testament preaching, which is

repent and believe, you know, and let the Lord apply it, you know, and just let the Lord do His work.

Yeah, it might surprise many of our listeners that nowhere in the Bible

does any author of Scripture say to a stranger, Jesus loves you and died for your sins.

That's right.

Any wording resembling that is when somebody is addressing, one of the authors is addressing the church,

not just any stranger.

But we can tell people, even if we don't know who they are, Jesus died for sinners,

and no sin is so great that He cannot atone for that sin.

That's right.

We definitely have to have you back, Danny, because our hour is up, and we have Mike

Gadosh waiting in the wings to join us for the second hour, so definitely please come back so we can continue

discussing grace worth fighting for.

But you have two minutes to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

Yeah, that God is a God of immense, infinite, eternal,

incomprehensible grace and mercy, and He didn't

have to create us, but He did.

And knowing full well in His own mind that what has

happened to us as a human race was going to happen no matter what, because of our sinfulness and our

fallenness, He saved.

And so He sent His Son to die, and He sends the Holy Spirit to apply that death,

and He promises to lead us to the end.

He was going to have a good work, and He was going to be faithful to complete it.

So these are the basic concerns of these doctrines.

Preach them.

Apply them.

Seek to live them out.

And yeah, I hope my book encourages people in that.

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Wow.

Yes, Dr. Joel Beeky is a good friend of mine, going all the way back to the 1990s,

and that's a wonderful publishing ministry that they have.

Well, thank you so much.

And also, don't forget, folks, that if you want to visit the Oceanside United Reformed Church, where our guest,

Danny Hyde, is the pastor, that website is OceansideURC .org.

OceansideURC .org.

And we thank you so much, Danny, and we look forward to your return.

In fact, when I send you an MP3 of our interview, I will include a calendar of dates that you can choose

from so you can return.

Sure thing.

God bless, Chris.

God bless you, too.

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Thank you, Chris.

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Yes.

Publishing many

years

ago,

and the

author, a

preacher.

Wow.

I think that Nancy did a great job of selecting.

Yeah, it's just a shame that none of these authors are known.

That's the problem.

I

mean,

to

think

this

good

offering

and

transfiguration.

It's a small book, again.

It's not a large book, but it's a very nice hardcover.

I remember you two had a friendship, and she used to endorse many of the books, not only by

Solid Ground Christian Books, but Calvary Press before you started Solid Ground.

In fact, if you may remember, I drove her mother -in -law,

not Elliot's mother, but Lars Grenn's mother, I drove her to church every

Sunday at Grace Reformed Baptist Church when I was still living on Long Island because she lived in a local nursing home.

Wow, no.

A connection, a special connection with.

And we're going to our last break now.

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We have RJ in White Plains, New York who said, you mentioned something earlier about not

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material might be too depressing to handle in a large volume.

Should we not also consider that with all other subjects when we give books to

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People,

if

you're...

Yeah, excellent.

There's a book that I...

Yeah, I remember that was one of the first books that I read as a Christian.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, in fact I remember the old cover it's probably a different cover now but it's really beautiful a cover

with an old rotted tree trunk with a new tree growing out of it.

That's pretty good, Chris.

And of course, Peter Jeffery as you may remember spent at least a half hour with my mother alone when she was

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was saved and I can remember him in his Welsh accent saying What are you worried about?

Your mother's born again.

She's going to heaven.

But I praise God for Peter Jeffery who is now with her in heaven.

Peter was so precious.

Certainly more that than my mother.

You were in touch with the right people right off the bat, you know.

The

spirit,

the

lean to

maintain

that the godly life is a life of quiet submission

to have out in June.

Oh, yeah,

great.

We just have to forgive Joe for converting to Presbyterianism.

I don't have to, but I will.

In fact, it was funny you say that because I got a phone call today from his pastor, Dick Phillips.

Of course he did.

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Bianchi is a Presbyterian now?

Yeah, baby, he's sprinkling the whole thing.

I'm hoping to have that.

I've got to get her on the show.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Okay, we do

have a

question

from Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania who says, If you have one book to give to a

pastor and one book to give to a lost person what would those two books be?

And sometimes those are the same people.

What book do you give to a lost pastor?

But anyway.

In

fact,

Peter

Jeffrey

also

wrote

an

excellent book called I Will Never Become a Christian.

That's right.

That's a book.

Well, we're out of time and I look forward to you coming back, Mike.

But I want to remind our listeners of your website.

It's solid -ground -books .com solid -ground -books .com.

I want to thank you.

I want to thank all the listeners who were listening today especially those who took the time to write.

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And I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater Savior

than you are a sinner.

Amen.