May 24, 2021 Tribute Show with Fern Hill on “When Tragedy is Transformed into a Ministry: The Timothy Hill Children’s Ranch Story”

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A very dear friend of mine for over 30 years, Fern Hill, co -founder with

her husband Jerry of the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch, a home for orphaned, abused,

and abandoned children in Riverhead, Long Island, New York, passed away peacefully in her

sleep and entered into eternity with her Lord, God, Savior, King, and Friend,

Jesus Christ, early Monday morning, May 17th, 2021, at

the age of 86.

I had interviewed Fern and Jerry quite a number of times over the years, and known only

to our omniscient Lord, my last interview with Fern would be on December 3rd,

2020.

Today, I am airing that wonderful interview once again as a rerun, and I hope you are as

richly blessed by our conversation as I was.

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day of December, 2020.

And it's been 11 years since I have had my guest today on the program,

a dear friend of mine, probably one of the longest lasting friendships that I have

had that continues to this day, which began in about the

1980s when my guest's husband was a minister at a church at Bethpage,

where my older brother, Bob, was a member.

That's how I first met Jerry and Fern Hill, who are founders of the Timothy

Hill Children's Ranch in Riverhead, Long Island, New York.

And today, we have Fern Hill on, the wife of Jerry.

We were supposed to have Jerry on the program as well today, but Fern will explain

in just a moment why Jerry could not be on the show with us.

But it is such an honor and privilege to have you back on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, my precious

friend Fern Hill.

It's so great to be back with you, Chris.

Thank you so much.

Yes, it's a pleasure is all mine, sister.

And and well, if you could explain why your dear

husband, Jerry, my good friend, could not be on the program today with you.

On the 20th of November, just before

kitchen and made my shake for me, which he usually does every morning, and then

went back into man a few minutes

later and the lights were on and the door was open to the bathroom, but he wasn't

there.

And I looked down in the floor, clutching the bed frame,

said, Honey, what are you doing?

No answer.

So I knelt down beside and said, Sweetheart, what are you doing?

Joy.

Well, I hope that everybody listening will certainly pray for our dear friend, Jerry

Hill, Fern's husband of many years.

How long have you been married?

Sixty four years.

Wow.

Praise God.

And how old is Jerry, if you don't mind me asking?

And other than or should I say before this stroke, that would be

very hard to believe because Jerry has more had more vitality and energy and

just enthusiasm for life than most people that I know my age and younger.

Well, in June, he played in the iron one day.

Well, I was the one that actually called Jerry to arrange this interview just

now, just days before this occurred.

And he just sounded as chipper and as lively and as excited and

happy and joyful as he always does.

He was he was so excited about it and told me about it.

And so he was thrilled to get there.

He's not with us today in this interview, but I

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And today our theme is when tragedy is transformed into a ministry, the

Timothy Hill Children's Ranch story.

You have told this story on our program several times, Fern.

And in fact, even several times before I had my own radio program, I was

instrumental in getting you interviewed by the late Andy Anderson on WMCA

radio, where I worked for 15 years.

And Andy always loved interviewing both you and Jerry.

But since it has been 11 years, as I said, over 11 years, it was in August

of 2009, the last time I had you two on my program when we were

still broadcasting out of the studios at WNYG and

WGBB in Babylon, Long Island, New York.

I can still remember vividly that day when you were there.

And so since it's been so long, there's a whole new audience of Iron Trip and Zion Radio

that likely has never heard the story of the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch.

And it really begins in Riverhead, Long Island, eastern Suffolk County

with your young son, Timothy, who was a bit of a child prodigy.

And tell us about this young man who was your first son, if I'm not mistaken.

OK, Timothy is only

13 years old.

Do

those

three different instruments, the violin, the bass violin, the piano and the

guitar

every day.

And he loved and always talked about God to them and to the

children in the neighborhood.

He loved people.

He loved animals.

And when he was 12, he came to me one day and

saved my money and found a place to keep a horse and bought the food for the horse and paid for the.

He darted out the door and his foster sister at that time.

We'd had several.

He said, I know the reason you told him that you think he can't do it.

She said, I know Timothy and he'll do it.

And I thought he would, too.

Maybe the time he was 17 years of age, but never dreamed.

And so that was the day he went out and got his first paper route.

And they came back the next day with two more paper routes.

And he did save his money.

He did buy his own horse.

He did feed his own horse.

He

did

do the

rent

around.

No, you have

the little

to go.

And my

brother

let

me know why.

Immediately

started

writing

them

down

on

a

piece of

paper.

Amen.

That was your first book.

And we'll at some point in the program get around to having you let our listeners know about

your current book, your latest book, Gifts from Glory, a collection of

true stories on prayer.

But before Timothy was tragically killed by that

truck, he had already

had a dream.

And I don't mean this in a supernatural sense, but he had a vision that one

day he wanted to start a ranch for homeless

children because he had seen you and Jerry and had lived with foster

children that you and Jerry had welcomed into your home and had taken care of.

And he saw the love that you demonstrated toward them.

And he had this idea, since he himself loved horses and farm animals, that an

ideal setting for a home for homeless children would be a ranch.

And that was another thing.

Did not the Lord lay upon your hearts, you and Jerry, after the death of Timothy?

He had already purchased his own horse and he was actually saving money.

He was saving his money from his paper route and work on the farm to buy prop.

And he was working on that.

He literally had gone to real estate agents and looked for all

over the country that he was looking for the proper

land to have a ranch for homeless children.

He'd seen much healing take place in the lives of children in our home.

But he felt that every child ought to have farm, ought to have a farm to work on, ought to have

dirt, have animals to work with, which we didn't have because we just lived in a housing

development.

And I can remember it was somewhat humorous that you and Jerry were getting phone calls

from real estate agents saying, do you know that your 12 year old son has showed up at our office

pricing property?

He even went to Oklahoma and tried to buy back his

grandparents.

He would do it.

And he was only 12 years old at that time.

They took him very seriously.

Yeah, that's that is the story of that young man, Timothy.

It really embarrasses me as a 57 year old man

knowing.

He still inspires

me to this

day

because people

ask for an unusual,

just hurting young people come here and in

the

morning and

see the

transformation.

And our theme is.

Amen.

And I have seen the operation of the ranch firsthand.

In fact, as you likely remember, I actually lived on the premises of the ranch for several weeks

after I after I graduated from alcohol rehab at

the a wonderful place that I always sing the praises of whenever I have the

opportunity, Hebron Colony in Boone, North Carolina, which is a Christian drug and

alcohol recovery ministry.

It's the oldest alcohol recovery ministry in

the United States that's still running.

And they have a facility for men in Boone, North Carolina, and a facility for women in Santee,

South Carolina.

And after I got out of there, I spent at least three weeks on the

premises of the ranch and got more of a

one on one kind of familiarity with the kids there and

seeing how it operated firsthand.

And I was always very impressed with with how the ranch functions and how these

children, even though kids are kids,

they had the highest respect for the staff there.

And, you know, potentially in other circumstances, it could be a powder keg.

You have these children from troubled homes all together.

And you could imagine in the wrong setting the violence that could break out and all

kinds of things that could be explosive.

And the violence does still break out from time to time when we get some new kids in here.

The ones who've been here for a while began to appreciate it, but none of them want to be here in the beginning.

And some of them are so angry.

Even Thanksgiving Day, we had the day before Thanksgiving, we

were new and they didn't get a home visit that

they'd been and they were so angry, they

completely broke the bill.

We have things like that to happen, but we just have to deal with it and realize they're hurting

and and we just have to deal with it.

And in fact, you'll be glad to know this, that many of our staff, several of our staff today are

former residents.

Yes.

So they know how the kids are feeling.

It was it was so heartwarming to know that the

children who grew up and went on to pursue

their lives and get jobs and get married and so forth, how they would very frequently return

because they had such precious memories of being there and such a fondness and love for you and

Jerry.

Residents come that was that is in the Marines and he was so thrilled to get to

come back home and visit that this is his home as far as he's concerned and it is for so.

Many.

And what I'd like you to do is is back up a little bit, because obviously

when you and Jerry knew that you were going to make or at least you

were going to prayerfully attempt to make Timothy's dream of a

ranch for homeless children a reality other than the fact that you took in foster children.

This was obviously a monumental task ahead of you, and I'm sure that you are wondering how are we actually

going to pull this off?

I mean, there must have been a bit of fear and trembling in your hearts and minds taking on

an enormous task like this.

I think we were too naive to fear and tremble with it

done.

And so many people told it wouldn't be done because we were working with a congregation

that was a small congregation and drug

addicts, alcoholics, prostitutes, and we had not one businessman in the

congregation, not one doctor, not one lawyer, none of that.

Whereas when we were in Tennessee, we were with a congregation full of those type people.

And so everybody told us it couldn't be done.

We didn't have the backing, could be done.

We knew that God was in control.

And I'm sure that there

are

some

listeners saying,

wait a minute,

this woman's from.

Riverhead, Long Island.

She sure doesn't sound like you're from Oklahoma originally,.

Right?

I was born in Oklahoma.

And Jerry, your dear husband, is from Tennessee.

Yes.

And by the way, I'm glad

that you have preserved your accent, though.

I don't know if Oklahomans pick up any New York accent, but you sound like an Oklahoman to me.

One thing that would be sure of great interest to our listeners that

is not really connected too much to the discussion here, but

Fern, my guest today, was at least in New York state the first

white person to donate a vinyl organ to an African -American.

And why don't you tell us about that story, if it's not too much of a detour off of our main subject today.

I just find it so fascinating.

Well, Dolores was

just passing out from dialysis.

He had to get her to have a

kidney.

And when I visited her, I said, well, you could have one of mine.

And I didn't think anything about it.

You know, I just thought that was the thing to do.

And when I got home, I don't want you to have a

kidney.

And he said, I love Dolores, but

why would you do that?

My nurse friend said, you can't do that.

It's harder on the donor than it is on the kidney.

And it might not work.

And so I said to my husband, you know, James in the book of James says, if we see someone in

need and we just say be warmed and filled and don't do anything about it,

I know that God will take care of me and the doctors

of my kidney if it's not right.

And if I'm not healthy, if I don't do it,

I said, if you don't want me to.

We're going to our first break.

And when we come back, I want to go back in time a little bit again to how the ranch

was finally born, how it finally came to fruition.

And I know that the millennials listening may not have any idea

of the recollection of the Bonanza program, although some of them might have

seen the reruns on cable vision.

But I know that Lorne Green, who used to live in East Marion, Long Island, out in eastern Suffolk,

played a part in getting this ranch off the ground.

And we'll hear about that.

And if anybody has any questions, again, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the entire program is Fern Hill.

She and her husband, Jerry, are the co -founders of the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch in

Riverhead, Long Island, New York.

And Fern is the author of two books, Graduation to Glory and also Gifts from Glory,

a collection of true stories of prayer or on prayer.

And today we are discussing when tragedy is transformed into a ministry, the Timothy

Hill Children's Ranch story.

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Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

And Fern, as I was saying before the break, you were doing

certain things to see if you could bring this dream of Timothy, a

ranch that was a home for homeless children, into fruition.

And how did Lorne Green of Bonanza hear about this and start to do, I believe, telethons for you?

When I wrote the book, it was dedicated to the ranch, so all the

proceeds from that book, again, that was the seed

money that started the ranch.

And a gentleman, he, and he got excited about it

and wanted to do a, so he happened to contact Lorne

Green and Lorne did a video for the ranch,

contribute to the ranch.

It's just been amazing at how God has used so many people that we had no idea.

Praise God.

And, uh, so eventually you were able to successfully raise the needed money

to purchase this property.

Yeah, we purchased 106 acres and it was another thing.

One of the, one of the gentlemen here in town,

he said, those people are

wonderful people.

He said, there's just one thing wrong with them.

He said, they carry this face bit just a bit too far.

He said, they actually think that they're going to get some property here on Long Island.

Well, you know, property and,

um, property going into foreclosure, able to

get 106 acres and we had saved enough money from people who just

heard about it and read graduation glory and made contributions and put in till we had $80 ,000

saved up.

He

had

a down

payment

on it in

1957 and he called us and

explained who he was and explained that he had just read graduation glory,

25 copies.

And, um, so he didn't even know about

the second they

had read.

Oh, so this was just recent.

Yeah.

That was just recently because gifts from glory is a

new, uh, so

when did, what.

Year did the ranch actually, uh, open its doors for the very first time?

Tell us about the children that are residents there, uh, how

they wind up there and, uh, what kind of backgrounds and other, the backgrounds are

somewhat diverse and you have some, uh, heart wrenching stories that I remember you

telling, uh, years ago.

I remember one of the children, one of the boys that was a resident,

his mother was driving down one of the parkways on Long Island and pulled over

to a hot dog stand and told the young man to get out of the car to buy some hot dogs and

gave him money to buy the hot dogs.

And then she sped away never to see that boy again.

That's right.

Uh, how heartbreaking.

And, and we've had young people who've come to us, there's been 14 different foster homes before they came to us.

That must be, and we have adopted

it and, uh,

get, and,

um, when he

left, he

said, Gabe, you know, uh, if things don't work out, know that you still have a family.

He said, Oh yeah, but he just knew this would work out.

And he was so excited.

He'd saved his money to get a ticket to go see them on the holidays.

And sure enough, at the last minute, they told him he couldn't come and he was devastated, even though he thought he'd prepared.

Well, uh, how did the, the young men there?

And I know that you do have now, not so long ago, uh, within the last decade opened up

a girls facility.

But before we get that, get to that, how did the young men typically, uh, come to be?

Yes.

Well, they come to us, a lot of them come to us through

the, so they give them the opportunity to, to choose to come.

Many

of

them come to

services

for different ways.

And sometimes they're removed from the home because of abuse.

I understand.

That's true.

And some of them are the children of prison inmates.

That's right.

Well, we do take prison inmates.

Now, uh, the sheriff actually came to us and said, you know,

good money for these people to, you

have a

program for them.

He said, why can't you take some of

these back here?

So now we have what we call the release temple from jail and they're

young people that are 16, 17, 18 years old.

Um, and they maybe have something like

that too.

And they go back on the streets and he said, oh, they're going to do.

Yes. I remember seeing that house when it was in the process of being remodeled.

Neighbors were so good to bring

back

cookies and

what's happening.

Yes.

I could tell it still moves you right now.

Uh, Lord has touched your heart with, uh, that compassion that folks can demonstrate.

And, uh, and if you could, before we go to our midway break, uh, if you could share one or two, uh,

stories of children that are memorable to you that have stayed at the ranch,.

You don't have calls from young people that came here way back in the 1980s.

Park city

has several

other of the

country occasionally and donates

for the ranch here.

And, uh, by the way, it might interest our listeners to know, uh, and I guess I'm going to be bragging about myself, but I was

the very first recipient of the Timothy Hill children's ranch volunteer of the year award.

Do you remember that?

That was back in the, uh, early nineties, if I'm not mistaken.

Okay.

Uh, quite a while ago.

And, uh, it's, uh, it's just a joy to see the enthusiasm

that brothers and sisters in Christ out on Long Island have, uh, had

for the ranch when they discover it.

And you have churches of all varying denominations and

backgrounds, uh, who have sent folks out there to volunteer, uh,

to preach there and to work with the kids, evangelize the kids.

Uh, that's something that's, uh, very refreshing and a joyous thing to witness.

It's amazing.

We'd have a young campus minister who, and, um,

and they're

constantly reminded.

That.

Amen.

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tragedy is transformed into a ministry, the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch story,

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That's also the email address where you can send in a question to Fern Hill of the Timothy Hill

Children's Ranch.

That's chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

As always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside

the USA, and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal or private matter.

In fact, we do have an anonymous listener who has a question for you, Fern.

An anonymous listener says, I have lost a child in death years ago, and

it still burdens me to the point where sometimes I cannot get out of bed.

It horrifies me so often I feel like I am neglecting things in my life to

bless my family and friends and loved ones and congregants in the church.

How were you able to overcome such a tragedy in your own life?

I just know that

these

give thanks and that means even in the painful things,

because when we do that, that he will give us his peace that passes all understanding,

and it takes some effort to give thanks in all circumstances.

We not only lost our son, Timothy, when he was 13, Thomas, who

was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer,

and when he was

diagnosed, he was so far

gone, there

was no

help that

was necessary.

We didn't make a request known to him, whatever they are.

I don't know whether that's helpful to you or not, but he loves

us if we love him.

Amen.

I remember years ago when I was interviewing you, a

verse that kept, that was continually repeated by you every time I interviewed you and Jerry,

was Isaiah 26, 3, you keep in perfect peace whose mind has

stayed on you because he trusts you.

I

work

the

kind

of

home

on God

and

his

promises,

and that's

where

I keep

being

joyful and

I hope you'll find your joy, be able to

let God use you, and he has a plan.

Praise God.

And I'm sure that your words will minister to our listeners even far beyond the one that

wrote that question.

We do have another listener.

We have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who wants to know, can you describe

the day -to -day life of children at the Timothy Hill Ranch and what

goes on in their activities and so on?

Oh, thank you.

Go to work.

...that is living on site at all times?

And they work in the...

And how many children are currently living at the ranch, and what is your average number that you have

there, and the age ranges?

Oh, you know how many we've got, right?

And the age ranges are?

One of the things that encouraged me is that you and Jerry

refused the request of, I believe it was the United Way, to

remove the name of Jesus Christ from your mission statement.

You said, no, no deal, that is the primary reason we exist, and

to glorify God through the caring of four children, and we're not going to remove it, and

they backed away from that demand, didn't they?

Praise God for that.

We have another listener.

This is Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, and he asks, how do I get

children in my own congregation to help out there at the ranch from time to time,

perhaps during the summer, and are there specific ways that churches can help, in

addition, of course, to donating financially?

Absolutely.

Yes, I'm sure that would be quite an experience for them, and it's

good to...

They all got to ride horses while they were here, too.

Oh, that's great.

It's good to have children not only physically working, but giving their time for the

benefit of others, to start them young doing that, isn't it?

Oh, yes, and they love it.

Children love to give.

In fact, it's more blessed to give than to receive.

Now, has the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch changed the official name?

I am at the website right now, which is timothyhill .org, and it says Timothy Hill Residential Center.

Is that the new official title?

Particularly for children.

Right.

John in Bangor, Maine asks, have you seen many children who are residents at

the Timothy Hill Ranch come to Christ?

Absolutely.

Have any become ministers?

Yes, we did have one who was a drug addict and had...

Well, he wasn't a drug addict.

His parents were drug addicts, and he sold drugs because that's all he'd ever known.

He said he didn't even know what was wrong.

It was just like breathing to him because that's all he had ever known.

And he came and just...

We started with just little visits from God.

He wanted to grow more assignments, and I gave him some very difficult assignments, and he

would come right back written out

and dreamed that he could go to college

out for.

Him.

Those were dropped,

college, and

he still leads people.

Well, praise God.

And we are going through our final break.

It's going to be a lot more brief than the last breaks.

And when we come back, I want Fern to discuss her book a little bit, her new book.

And that book is titled Gifts from Glory, a

collection of true stories on prayer.

And if you have any questions that you'd like to contribute to the program, please send them in quickly because we

are running out of time.

It's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen, and my guest today is Fern Hill, and we have just about 15 minutes left

of our interview today.

Fern, let us know about what it was that compelled you to write

this new book of yours, Gifts from Glory, a collection of true stories on prayer.

I thought about it for years and years.

We had—.

Obviously, from what you have already said in this program, and I have known you for many years,

that you trust the Lord's will to be the right

will.

You trust God to do the right thing when we pray.

That's right.

No matter what the outcome may feel like on our end here on Earth, and that even

came to play when you even prayed for the salvation of your son,

Thomas, who just recently died from pancreatic cancer, you prayed that the Lord would

do anything to bring him to Christ.

That's not an easy prayer to make for a lot of people, is it?

I know,

and I

picture,

and

he knows

what's—.

Amen.

Could you share some of the other stories of prayer that are true stories of prayer?

One of the things that I'd like to share, that young people like to hear this story,

but we were

casual friends.

I just went one year, and I dropped out and worked so that I could go back later.

When I went to Harding University in Arkansas, I was sitting in the

ladies' room just wondering what it was going to be like to be back in school.

Jerry walks in carrying another girl's trunk, and he said, just kind of hollered at me, we're going to have to

get together and talk.

We were so glad to see each other.

We became closest of friends, and he preached out in a little place called Russell, Arkansas,

and asked me to go out and teach a Bible class.

We also renovated that building.

It was really a run -down building, and he brought others.

We renovated that building.

It was just a one -room church building, but we had Bible classes in our cars and used the steering

wheel as a platform for our visual aids.

And so, the bushes to bring young people in, and

it was a wonderful, wonderful work.

At the end of the year, I mean, I knew that I loved him, and I felt he did me, too, but

we'd never made any promises or anything.

But he asked me

to go out

together doing God's

work,

and the

last night of

the

meeting, she walked in the building.

He said, well,

that

said a

multitude

to me,

and

as

those

words

came

out of

my mouth, I

thought to

myself, you

went to my room that evening before, and I really

prayed, and

we went over to the...

That's the first time I heard that story, and that is utterly amazing.

That's a rare kind of a person, but obviously, God can bring that upon the hearts of anyone whom he chooses.

Wow!

Wow!

One of these days, I'm going to have to have my former minister, Mike Gadosh, my very first

minister after being born again, who runs Solid Ground Christian Books,

I have to have him tell you the story of his own marriage, which had some

similarities to what you were just saying, but not quite the same, but there were some similarities there.

Before we run out of time, do you have another one that you'd like to tell?

One of my favorite ones.

Years ago, we were in Tennessee, and we'd taken a group of young people to Scranton, Pennsylvania on a

mission trip, and before

going into a mission feeling, I didn't want material possessions to

possess me, but

for the

first time in my life, I had

whether I'd be afraid that

material possessions wouldn't possess me.

Material possessions,

I think

you

set fire

smart

enough

to figure

it out,

but God

used that

for me.

All things have blessed us in so many,

many ways, and

he's done that

time and again.

Well, how do people get a hold of this book?

It's in

Barnes Noble

somewhere.

And, of course, if anybody wants to go to the Timothy Hill Ranch website, they'll be

able to get more information on how to contact you.

That's timothyhill .org, timothyhill .org.

And if you could, Fern, in about a minute and a half, summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our

listeners today.

I

want

etched

in

your

mind.

Well, Fern, it has been an honor and privilege and joy to know you as a friend for decades now,

and I look forward to another time of sweet fellowship with you and Jerry this side of glory, and I

hope the Lord enables me to get back to Long Island soon to do so.

And, of course, if you're ever traveling through Pennsylvania like he used to do, and we used to have breakfast at the Fay's

Country Kitchen, I hope you let me know about that as well.

Thank you so much.

And don't forget, folks, the website for the Timothy Hill Ranch is timothyhill .org,

timothyhill .org.

And don't forget to ask them about how you can get a hold of the book, Gifts from

Glory, a collection of true stories on prayer.

Well, thank you so much, Fern, for being my guest today.

I want to ask my listeners to please continue to pray for Jerry, her husband, who just had a stroke before Thanksgiving,

and pray for them as they continue to mourn over the recent loss of their son, Thomas, who

passed from pancreatic cancer but entered into eternity with Christ after straying from

him for years.

Thanks be to God he came home.

And I want to thank all of you, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far

greater Savior than you are a sinner.

Amen.