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Good evening. My name is Jason Walsh. I'm the executive director of Arizona right to life for those of you who are

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Watching the live stream and we thank you so much coast to coast those of you here in the audience we are here to present on the topic of ending abortion now, we've

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Tremendous speakers and the topic is something obviously as you're watching this and you're listening this is something near and dear to your hearts, and we hope to be able to really lay out a

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Biblical rationale for what we want to do in terms of any devotion now So to do this and to be able to get through as many speakers as possible

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We're going to start off with the first speaker tonight, which is Jeff Durbin Jeff is pastor of Apologia Church and host of Apologia radio and TV Jeff Durbin is pastor elder of Apologia Church in Tempe and has worked for many years as a hospital chaplain

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Jeff is a popular speaker for camps conferences churches and schools across the nation

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He has participated in outreach to various different religions across the nation and has even engaged in public debate against atheism

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His podcast is among the top in iTunes religious section and his television show

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Apologia TV is seen on the NRB network pastor

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Durbin Thank you very very much.

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Thank you guys for joining us this evening Senator in attendance and Pro -life groups and for those of you guys watching really literally around the world want to tell you guys how grateful we are for you guys joining with us in this event and participating with your churches

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Live -streaming this event your groups your abortion mill ministries we're grateful and we're humbled that you guys would consider listening and participating with us and Ending this great evil in our nation

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And so we're grateful want to encourage you guys to continue the conversation with us

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You can do that by watching the content that we upload at end abortion now calm and you can also check out

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Apologia radio calm Listen to the podcast the TV shows where we keep you guys up to date on this process as we fight for the justice of the unborn

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We plan on presenting this evening the foundations of the paradigm shift the paradigm shift the biblical the legal the scientific and the historic content and context so we'd like to encourage you guys to Please stick around in the audience stick around as we lay down the foundations and the basis for ending abortion immediately at the state level and want to start before we get into the explanation tonight and digging into the scriptures as well as The legal issues and the scientific issues want to start with a passage of scripture here now is the reading of God's Holy Word Proverbs 24 10 if you are slack in the day of distress your strength is limited deliver those who are being taken away to death and Those who are staggering to slaughter.

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Oh hold them back if you say see we did not know this

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Does not he Does he not consider it who weighs the hearts and does he not know it who keeps your soul?

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And will he not render to man according to his work if you would pray with me father

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I want to ask that you'd bless this entire Pursuit Lord for your glory and for the good of these children

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God want to plead with you that you would give the

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Men and women that you have put into position of authority You give them courage

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God would you give them or two eyes that see? clear What is ahead of them and I pray

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God that you would raise up? Giants people who are courageous

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Lord For the sake of these children and for your glory God.

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We ask that you'd move mightily in our nation And bring our nation to repentance and at the same time

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God I pray that you'd be glorified in Lord stopping the destruction of the fatherless

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And it's in your name. We pray Amen Thank you guys again for joining us again.

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I'm a pastor Jeff Durbin minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ I'm a pastor to church called apology a church in Tempe, Arizona and as Jason my buddy mentioned

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I'm also the host of apology a radio. It's a pretty sweet podcast heard around the world, and I think it's great, but That's just my opinion

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Also, we have a television program apology a TV on the NRB network, and it's seen really around the world

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I got into the fight Really only a couple of years ago

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I was as a Christian pro -life in my heart and in my head for a long time as long as I can remember

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I was pro -life and in and would have fought in any argument to defend the rights of the unborn and I didn't do anything about it and so I was really again pro -life in my heart in my head and in my church and in the walls in between the walls of the church a

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Couple of years ago. I saw coming across my feed on Facebook a woman and She kept posting these pictures of her with other women and babies

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And I saw pictures of her standing outside of abortion clinics bringing the gospel at to an abortion clinic and It started to stir my heart a little bit

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And I started to see So many of her pictures come across my feed that it got to the point it actually gained my interest and I thought well

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Who is this her name was Lisa Metzger? And she is a sidewalk counselor on the

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East Coast And so I thought that I went to high school with Lisa Lisa She had the same name as a girl that I went to high school with and so I figured she's on my feed

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Because I went to high school with her, and that's how we connected somehow. I didn't know her reach out to her I didn't know how she's on my feed.

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It just sort of appeared there, and I thought she was my high school buddy And so I sent her a message and I said hey

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I'd love to have you on apology or radio to talk about your Sidewalk ministry and what you do with the abortion clinics and all these babies that are being saved and she agreed and so the day

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We did the episode We get her on the line. We're in the studio We're about to go on and I said to her

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I said now Lisa I said we went to high school together right and she said no and So I said well, how are we connected?

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How do we how do we know each other and she says I don't know he tell me So she didn't know me

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And I didn't know her and now we're on the phone together about to do a radio interview And I have no idea how this happened and so through the course of the conversation of talking to Lisa Metzger on the phone

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She told us in all the years of doing sidewalk ministry. I think about 20 years of sidewalk ministry

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She's been in this fight she brings the gospel she offers help She tries to communicate the grace of God and the seriousness of the situation

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Behind those walls and they offer help and she said when we've saved I think she said somewhere around 364 babies and my jaw dropped

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Pastor Luke was with me in a studio and joy who were on the show with me all of us were stunned right there that Day and this moment on the radio program in front of everybody.

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We didn't realize how big this was My mindset of what happens outside of an abortion clinic is people

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Screeching and yelling and a lot of heat and no light and nothing really accomplished That's what I thought took place outside of abortion clinics

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I knew people did it but I had never done it myself and all I had was perception and so I said 365 babies 3 that's insane 365 babies are alive now because you've gone and you've offered help and you've brought the gospel and So she said yes last year 360 some odd babies saved outside of an abortion

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Clinic in one year and so this stirred the heart of our church We realized that we we needed to get into the fight

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It wasn't enough to be pro -life in our heart and in our heads We had to do something and so we didn't know what we were doing except that we had the message of life

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We had the gospel we had the truth We had the help we had the heart and the desire to help these women and so we went and since that time

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Apology a church has gone to local abortion clinics with the good news with the offer of help and assistance to women and we've been able to see 50 babies saved from death outside of abortion clinics in Arizona and By the grace of God through that labor and that work

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We've talked about it nationally We've created a bit of godly and righteous controversy across the nation in this respect

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And so there are over 20 ministries We stopped counting at this point 20 ministries that have started across the nation

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That now go to abortion clinics with the good news with the truth and with the offer of help across the nation as a result of listening to us talk about the issue and So God has done a tremendous amount in the life of apology a church

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I want to encourage you guys with a quick story so that we can remember what we're fighting for particularly Particularly legislators and people who are in positions of power to uphold justice for the fatherless

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I want to remind us who we are fighting for I was outside of an abortion clinic in Glendale We were outside the clinic.

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It was a really rough day. It was a difficult day We go there with love we go there with boldness But we offer help and we call out to these women and we ask them.

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Please let us talk to you Please don't kill your baby. Please let us help you will will do anything for you We'll even adopt your child will offer you any services.

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Please come talk to us This was a particularly rough day where we were being attacked really on all sides and after being worn out and worn down There was a man inside that abortion clinic and this man inside the abortion clinic was praying

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Well, his wife was in the back in pre -op getting ready to have her baby destroyed he was praying

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God if you want me to do something give me a sign and So he looked outside the window in Planned Parenthood and he saw my friend walking near the front who was actually pretty broken up at that time because he was so worn out and He was walking to the front with his sign because he just needed to be alone and in front with the sign

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He was thinking in his heart God. This is worthless. We shouldn't be doing this. We don't need to do this It's not accomplishing anything and this guy inside is praying

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God if you want me to do something Give me a sign and my friend walks up with his sign and it says, please don't hurt your baby.

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We'll help you and So he walks outside to my friend and he says to him.

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I told God to give me a sign and he says this I Asked God a question

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He goes is that your van over there and all these vans that were out there all these vans around all these cars everywhere

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He pointed to a random car He had asked God God if you want me to stop this let that van belong to that man

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And he points to a random van and he says is that your van and my friend looks over and says that van right there

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He says yeah, that's my van And so the guy tells him he says I told God if you wanted me to stop it to have that van be your van

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And my friend says you got to go in there get your wife right now And he ran inside and he went to the back and Planned Parenthood almost didn't let him go back

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And he said I'll kick the door down if you don't let me go back there and they let him back there and his wife Came out and today

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Carmelo is alive Carmelo is one of the babies saved from death at Planned Parenthood because Christians Had enough courage to stand up and just go and be a witness

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But again to remind everybody who's watching across the nation what exactly it is that we're fighting for I?

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Brought us some special guests today Pastor Luke, could you get Rebecca and the girls?

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We have a team that works closely with us outside of Planned Parenthood in Tempe and This team outside Planned Parenthood was calling into Planned Parenthood, and they were offering help and A woman was inside for an abortion in Planned Parenthood in Tempe she could hear

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Believers outside calling in saying we'll help you. We'll do whatever it takes. We'll adopt your baby and so Rebecca Came out of Planned Parenthood She was there for an abortion she came out of Planned Parenthood She went up to the other team that's out there, and she said you said you can help me and So a conversation happened where Sherry told her the truth about what she was about to do

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She was about to kill her baby, and she pleaded with her and she said I'll adopt your baby. I'll do whatever it takes and So as a result of that conversation

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Rebecca now has twin girls She was pregnant with twins that day

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Olivia Grace and Kara and What I wanted to do today, and we'll figure out how we can get them up here

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I'm they can they can come on up whenever they whenever they want. They're they're out. They're out in the back right now

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That's that's a little voices and as far as I'm concerned. They can cry all they want I want to encourage all of us who were

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Listening right now across the nation and around the world and those of us who are in this room right now to remember the context

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We're not fighting for something that in theory would be a baby We're fighting for real live flesh and blood children

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We're flat we're fighting for Olivia Grace and Kara. We're fighting for Carmelo.

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We're fighting for Thousands of these babies a day. I'm gonna remind all of us that 60 million babies have died in our nation since Roe v.

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Wade 60 million babies Let me encourage us all to think about that number and remember something that is not a number than any of us can really completely understand and fathom 60 million babies makes

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Hitler's Germany just look like a minor bad day And this is in a holocaust on our in in our nation with the children in our nation 3 ,000 babies a day die in our nation that is a 9 -11

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Every single day in our nation it happens on a daily basis in Arizona We've recently passed some pro -life laws

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And I want to remind all of us to be courageous enough to say something with the pro -life laws passed recently

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Babies are still dying tomorrow in Arizona as Much as I am as a minister of the gospel

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Grateful to God for every single baby that has been saved because of any incremental law

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I need to point out something that should be obvious to all of us 60 million babies is a failure

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It's a failure and we have a responsibility before God first and foremost to uphold justice for these fatherless children

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To uphold justice for these children who were destroyed who were decapitated who are disemboweled

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Who have their arms and legs torn off their bodies who are burned with fire who are poisoned?

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We have a responsibility before God to uphold justice for them and for the legislators who watch this and are present

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You have a responsibility before the people of your state to uphold justice For these babies to protect the lives and property of those under your care

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We believe with all of our hearts that God has ordained Civil government that civil government is

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God's deacon. It is his servant to uphold justice Your responsibilities are great and we ask that you be courageous and listen if we could and can

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I have the girls now? Are we good? You're gonna come on up Olivia Olivia. You want to come up here Cara? You want to come up here?

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I want to show you guys these precious girls. Let's tell Rebecca. Thank you for coming today.

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Thank you Rebecca so much I wanted to introduce you to these precious girls one of my favorite pictures is

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Picture online and it's it's Rebecca outside of Planned Parenthood with the ultrasound.

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Was it a week later? It's about a week. Yeah, I love that picture And so she was she discovered after leaving that she had twin girls.

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So this is Olivia. Hi, Olivia Hi, sweetie. And this is Cara and they

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I think are precious. They're two years old now Two years old and so we want you to know how much we are grateful for you,

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Rebecca and I've told you that before but um on our TV show your courage to Talk about what you've been through and so we were very grateful and real fast

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This is really important for people here as well when When we when you were promised help you there was a baby shower people

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Through for you, right? And what will happen to the baby shower? well, there there was more people than we could fit in the room first and There were so many gifts that it took so long that at some point

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I couldn't unwrap things anymore we just had to go and there were We couldn't fit them all in the car either.

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So we had like three Entire not even cars truckloads of things going back in for twins

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I did not I didn't have to purchase diapers for over a year for two of them It was so it was that much and I don't think

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I didn't really have to purchase much of anything other than you know clothes as they got older, so it was

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Not what I expected, you know, but definitely such a blessing. That was that was great

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Thank you Rebecca so much girls, thank you for coming today. Bye, sweetie. I'll see ya

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Bye Cara. I'll see it. Thank you so much Rebecca. Bye girls. Thank you. So let's give a round of applause. Thank you guys so much so I Think it's important for us to put flesh on this subject

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That's vitally important because what listen when I say 3 ,000 babies a day die

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When first of all when I say it I can't comprehend it I Don't understand it.

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I can't put it together because that's two two babies Two 3 ,000

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Die in our nation on a daily basis. This this is what's in front of us and I think that we have to look beyond Just the ideas

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We're pro -life you're pro -choice and we have to look beyond the kinds of policies where we say you have to widen your

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Hallways and clean your floors and and no you're not allowed to sell their parts and We act like in our in our states that when we pass incremental laws like that that we've had some sort of a victory

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But I want to ask the question. Is it a victory when 3 ,000 Olivia Grace's and Cara's die in our states?

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Is it really a victory to say we can't sell their body parts, but we can still kill them in our states

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This is not simply in theory. These are babies These are 3 ,000

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Olivia Grace's and Cara's every day In our nation 1 million babies die a year.

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Let me lay down the biblical case first, which is ultimately the only meaningful

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Worldview in this discussion that can make sense out of this discussion first and foremost the biblical discussion

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This is a gospel issue the nature of the unborn and the demand for justice in Scripture We'll lay out of course the scientific and that it is an irrefutable fact that we are human beings at conception the only biological difference between the baby in the womb and all of us in this room and those who are watching across the

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Country is a difference of degree That's the science the legal issue is the states have the right and the responsibility to uphold justice for the fatherless immediately first and foremost the gospel the problem is

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Inherent the problem is a problem of the hearts When we approach this issue as Christians when we go to the got when we go to the abortion clinics

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The first thing we recognize is this is that there is no difference Fundamentally between the person who is going behind those doors and into those walls and Into that clinic and the person standing outside of it.

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We are all sinners before the same God We recognize that the problem of abortion clinics in our nation the problem of abortion on our nation is

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Ultimately a problem of the heart. It's this problem of sin. That's the problem we recognize

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With the gospel that the problem is sin and the only solution in trance in transforming people's hearts in our nation is

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Through the good news the grace of God offered in Jesus Christ And that's the message that we bring to the abortion clinics.

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I want to say this very very clearly I believe Respectfully and with humility that one of the great failures of the pro -life movement the last 40 years is that we have been afraid to stand on the foundation of the

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Word of God as the basis of our fight against this great evil and When we do not stand on the foundation of the scriptures we lose in this battle.

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We cannot change people's hearts and minds By abandoning our foundations, and I want to say that the first Responsibility the church has in this issue in terms of rescuing babies today is to go to the abortion clinics

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Where it is actually taking place and when we go to these abortion clinics? We bring a message that is threefold number one.

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It is a message of number one the truth What is actually about to take place behind those walls?

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Answer murder that is vitally important for us to state

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When we are not honest about this issue and what takes place behind those walls

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We cannot effectively Communicate to anybody the necessity to legislate against it

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And if we are not honest about what takes place behind those walls We cannot effectively communicate the love of God and the grace of God in Jesus Christ Because we need to communicate.

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What is true in this instance. Let me just say this it should be obvious to all of us when you tear the arms and legs off of a little girl, and you crush their skull and you

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Disembowel them and you pull their little body pieces out and put them together on a tray again you have murdered that little girl and that happens over and over and over in our nation and The only hope we have is in the gospel the bible says the gospel is the power of God for salvation

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It is what God uses to open people's hearts and their minds and to draw them into a relationship with himself

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So for the church first and foremost when we go to abortion clinics, we tell the truth

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This is murder. God commands you not to kill your baby and we tell them the second thing That is that there is forgiveness and there is peace with God in Jesus Christ If they turn from their sin to God to trust in Christ and in Christ alone

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We offer the good news of salvation and the gift of eternal life We stand with the women who are behind those doors equal before Christ as fallen people in need of God's grace

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We're not better than them in any way But the truth is they need to turn from sin and in this moment the sin

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They need to turn from and the crime they need to turn from is what's taking place behind those walls And that is the murder of their own childs

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So first and foremost we tell the truth second It is the gospel and the third thing we offer women all the time outside of an abortion clinic is we offer them help

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We tell them we will give you anything you need. Do you need money? Do you need a place to stay?

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Do you want us to adopt your child? We'll help you. We'll buy you cribs We'll buy you diapers. We'll throw you big bashes and showers for your baby.

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We'll give you anything you need Please do not destroy your child. We'll help you first and foremost.

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This is a gospel issue second The nature of the unborn we know from Scripture Psalm 139.

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God says this that he knits us together in our mother's womb We are fearfully and wonderfully made that is

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Fundamental to what we say in the pro -life movement. Amen. Is that right? I mean when we say we're pro -life

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We're pro -life for a reason, correct? Oftentimes in this debate people have said well, we should try a backdoor

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We should slip in the back door and use more secular language something. I'll make it more palatable easier for them to grab hold of I'm gonna say this that the reason we're pro -life is

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Because we believe that God creates people uniquely in his image and he creates them in his image in their mother's

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Womb, that's where all of this begins. The Bible teaches us that God creates us in our mother's womb

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It's it's an amazing thing when you think about the story of John the Baptist and Jesus now go with me now for a second John the

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Baptist and Jesus John is in his mother's womb Elizabeth and Jesus is in Mary's womb and they come together and what happens in the text

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It says John the Baptist gets some hops. He starts leaping in the womb Why because he's excited that he's near the

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Messiah, but here's John the Baptist in the womb Leaping for joy about Jesus and Mary's womb.

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I think we need to be fundamentally honest here in this discussion We're pro -life because we're Christians.

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Amen and we have to recognize of course you have people who are not

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Christians that recognize the Value of the unborn in the womb people like Christopher Hitchens famous atheist who was pro -life

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He recognized the value of a human being in the womb, but we have to recognize fundamentally

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We're in this fight saying what we're saying because we are Christians and we can make sense of what is inside the womb.

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God knits us together in our mother's womb We recognize that the Bible teaches that God created human beings different than animals.

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We are in the image of God We are Imago Dei. We are Reflections in a sense in the world of God himself and so human beings are to be treated with value and dignity because it is an inherent thing from conception

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So first and foremost the nature of the unborn needs to be recognized as Christians We have to ask ourselves the question.

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Are we being consistent with our convictions? Let me ask that are we being consistent with our convictions because we do say that that baby is in the image of God We do say that we are image of God from conception biblically speaking

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That's what we say. And so I ask the question to myself Am I being consistent with what

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I say is going on there when we talk about this issue?

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Nationally when we speak into the culture and we say this is what's happening. These babies are being torn apart in the womb

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Are we acting consistently with that claim or is it a click? Is it a club?

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Is it something that we just say? Is it something that gets us elected? Is it something that helps us get dollars?

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Are we willing to take the risks necessary to rescue these unborn babies?

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Are we willing to do what it takes to rescue the next Olivia Grace and Cara? Because that is ultimately what is at stake

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Babies are in the image of God The next thing

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I want to talk about is from the scriptures quickly is Exodus 21 22 22 22 23

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Very important text to maybe go to later. It's a text in the law of God In respect to babies in the womb, it's actually a case law example

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Okay It's a fantastic example Image of God in the womb knit together fearfully and wonderfully made all my days ordained before there's even one of them

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That's the biblical text about babies in the womb and there's much much more right a lot more I have been squeezed into time here guys and everyone right now is like Jeff you are not doing so well, okay

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Okay But we have to recognize that God's law actually has case law Now by the way, our

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American system of case law was based off of biblical law. There can be no refutation of the fact that our system of government

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Including the lesser magistrates and all the all the system we have was based off of a biblical system of government but in Exodus 21 22 through 23 there's case law example of if two men are fighting case law and they actually

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Hit a woman and it actually leads to the death of her child in her womb then it shall be judicially life for life life for life in other words in God's Law if you took somebody's life the judicial system said that it was life for life if you killed somebody life for life and in this case if you

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Actually affect the death of a child in the womb God's Word says it is life for life in other words that baby in the image of God has as much value and is worthy of the justice due in this case

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Exodus 21 22 through 23 Babies are made again in the Imago Dei Next point

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I'm going to show everybody today and there's so much more we could go to but just I'm going to show you a particular Point in the text of God's Word and we get into the other discussion for a moment here

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Isaiah chapter 1 Isaiah chapter 1 and I'd like to encourage everybody who's in this fight who is pro -life

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Everybody who's an abolitionist who wants to see an end to this and encourage everybody who?

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professes faith in Christ and loves God to listen closely to this text Isaiah chapter 1 the people of God before Babylon before the captivity

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Hear from God and this is what God says to them in Isaiah chapter 10

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He says hear the word of the Lord you rulers of Sodom give ear to the instruction of our God you people of Gomorrah What are your multiplied sacrifices to me says the

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Lord? I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed cattle and I take no pleasure in the

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Blood of bulls lambs or goats when you come to appear before me who requires of you this trampling of my courts

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Bring your worthless offerings no longer Incense is an abomination to me new moon and Sabbath the calling of assemblies

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I cannot endure iniquity in the solemn assembly I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts.

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They have become a burden to me I am weary of bearing them so when you spread out your hands in prayer.

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I will hide my eyes from you Yes, even though you multiply prayers.

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I will not listen listen listen Your hands are covered with blood

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Here's a moment in the life of the people of God Where God says to them

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Don't bother praying don't bother with your assemblies your church gatherings.

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Don't bother with the worship services Don't bother with all of the programs. Don't bother with the schedule.

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He says don't bother. I don't want it Why your hands are covered with blood?

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God does say to all of us who profess faith in him that there is a particular point where there is so much

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Injustice that he doesn't want to hear it. He doesn't want to hear the multiplied prayers

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He doesn't want to hear about the assemblies. He doesn't want the offerings. What does he want? He wants

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Justice and he says in his word here He says verse 16 listen, please closely with humility

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I present this before you wash yourselves make yourselves clean Remove the evil of your deeds from my sight listen listen cease to do evil learn to do good seek justice

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Reprove the ruthless defend the orphan plead for the widow

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God does call us to more than simply professions

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God calls us to more than simply saying with our lips. I believe this or that and I believe with all of my heart that God calls us in this issue of abortion in our nation

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He calls us to uphold justice for the fatherless He calls us to take great risks

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To step outside of what we have been doing and to step into a new place where we

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Stand on God's Word and we plead for the cause of the fatherless takes courage and I want to call all of us to courage in Our convictions to go beyond the hypocrisy of saying one thing with our lips and having a shell

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Saying I believe this about the unborn but not being willing to do really what it takes to end it

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I'm going to call us away from hypocrisy God demands justice for the unborn and I want to say that finally

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We need to pay attention quickly to the myth of neutrality. Let me say this. This is very important particularly for legislators

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The myth of neutrality. It's a myth The person you talk to is not neutral and neither are you?

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The amazing thing here is that as the pro -life movement has moved forward to fight for the lives of babies and they have

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We've acted many times like we need to play neutral in the conversation and The amazing thing that we haven't recognized for some reason is that we're the ones pretending neutrality

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The opposition is not We Pretend neutrality, but they don't

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It's a myth Jesus said you are either with me or Against me

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Jesus gives a parable, you know What you've sang it probably in church before right the pair of this the picture that Jesus gives about a wise man and a foolish one

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He says there's a wise man who builds his house upon a rock and is a foolish one that builds it upon the sand

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So you have two men two foundations and Jesus says two destinations One makes it through the storm

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When the wind and the rain and the storm come it beats against the house both houses by the way one makes it through and the other one

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Jesus says what it ends in desolation and Jesus says that the person who doesn't build their life upon the rock is

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The fool and they end in desolation And so the question you have to ask you have to ask yourself philosophically speaking legally speaking

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Religiously speaking is whether or not you're standing on the rock Because remember that as you face the opposition in the world of abortion and those who are pro -choice

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They're not neutral and don't pretend to be they are violently opposed

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To the biblical worldview and the idea that mothers and fathers should not be allowed to kill their babies in the womb

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Remember the recent That everybody saw this everyone in this room as a parent

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Of course you had to see this Hillary Clinton being asked about the rights of the unborn in the womb And what does she say?

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She says the unborn person does not have what? Constitutional rights and what does she how does she refer to it?

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Does she use Latin and say fetus in that sense the unborn? Person does not have constitutional rights now friends brothers and sisters

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Legislators that see this pay close attention. They're not neutral Stop pretending to be

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We need to stand on the rock in this fight and say very very clearly what our convictions are I believe that baby's in the image of God.

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I believe that from conception it is marvelously uniquely and Majestically made in God's image knit together by God unique and valuable and you cannot murder it

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We need to say that with boldness and conviction change the conversation. We are not simply pro -life

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We are abolitionists. We want it done. We want it ended

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We want justice for the fatherless and we are also Needing to be very very clear in this day and age in terms of how

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I feel about the baby What we're saying is this mothers and fathers cannot murder their children. That's the conversation

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It's not simply we're pro -life. We are saying we are opposed to the murder of innocent children in the womb

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I was I was amazed I'm sure some of you guys feel the same way I was I did recently Chris Christie and the debates wasn't that amazing?

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Chris Christie, right, New Jersey Chris Christie saying what he calls it the murder of children

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Planned Parenthood murders children and you saw people say Wow, and the amazing thing is is you have a man like Chris Christie It surprises us to hear him talking that way.

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The amazing thing is is that's the way we're supposed to be talking That's the way we're supposed to be addressing this.

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He's changing the conversation. He's bringing it to where it ought to be It's not simply pro -life.

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It's not that you're just killing in unborn fetus You are murdering a child change the conversation

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I want to point this out the pro -choice movement They are not neutral they want and they state it abortion for any cause and who can answer it anyone any cause and on demand and Without apology any cause on demand without apology they have enough conviction

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To not pretend neutrality on demand without apology quickly in terms of how they feel

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About what they're doing. This is an article In live -action news fantastic article about abortionists agreeing about what they're doing

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Here's quotation listen closer to this in one article in the American medical news That was probably never meant for pro -life eyes abortion providers from around the country discussed the emotional difficulties of Performing abortions one doctor said

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I have angry feelings at myself for feeling good about grasping the head

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For feeling good about doing a technically good procedure that destroys a fetus kills a baby another abortion doctor used honest terms to describe his job a

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Late termination is actually not very nice, and there is no way of getting away from it I don't feel I am doing it for any other reason than for the best of both a mother and the baby

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It is morally quote it is morally and ethically wrong to do abortions listen without Acknowledging what it means to do them.

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I performed abortions I have had an abortion and I am in favor of women having abortions when we choose to do so but we should never disregard the fact that being pregnant means there is a baby growing inside of a woman a

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Baby whose life is ended we ought not to pretend That this is not happening

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Quote reporter Leonard Stern spoke to Joanne right the owner of a clinic in Ottawa She explained how she and her fellow workers were fighting to force pro -lifers to take down a banner that announced

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Abortion stops a beating heart and gave a phone number for women considering abortion to call for help

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Stern confronted her with pro -lifers Allegations that her clinic gave deceptive counseling to women from the article she said good grief

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They accuse us of pretending. We're not doing what we're doing. I'm in the business of death

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I think it's important for us to pay close attention to the scenario pro -lifers not always

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But we have pro -lifers pretending neutrality pro -lifers softening the language pro -lifers making it easy for them to accept and to hear our case and You have the pro -choicers and the abortionist saying no no on demand without apology as much as we want

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Abortionists now not arguing what they were 40 years ago Saying it's just a clump of cells, and it's just tissue, but actually they're being consistent now not neutral just saying yes

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It's alive. Yes. It's a human being and I should be able to kill it When we go out to the abortion clinics you need to know what we hear

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We don't have women going in there as victims saying I don't know what I'm doing What are you talking about people go into the clinic, and they say back to us what they say?

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I know I'm killing my baby. God will forgive me. I'm allowed to kill my baby

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Just a couple of weeks ago We had somebody outside the clinic pleading for the lives of these babies, and and it was yelled back you baby lover

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We cried out to these women who were there We said listen that you're you're taking the heads off these little boys and girls you're you're taking their arms and legs off today in That clinic is surgical abortion day.

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That's what's happening inside there I said, please they're being dismembered and disemboweled and decapitated today behind those walls and somebody stood there

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And he said that sounds delicious That is what we're facing and we have gone into these

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Legal situations, and we have pretended neutrality. They're not neutral We should stop pretending to be what is taking place.

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It's murder And I want to say the pro -abortion advocates love our arguments.

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It's about the women and not the babies That's how we argue We say women are victims.

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We try to soften what's happening inside there. We won't call it murder Consistently and so the pro -abortion advocates love our argumentation

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Why because they recognize that watch if it's not murder Then you can't really legislate against it because guess what you can't do you can't simply legislate somebody's preference

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Like a favorite flavor of ice cream vanilla and chocolate. Let's make a law you can't legislate a preference

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You can't legislate against it if it is murder in the first degree. We have to ask ourselves the question

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What is the deliberate intentional with malice of forethought killing of an innocent human being?

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Let me ask the question again. What is the deliberate? Intentional with malice of forethought killing of an innocent human being

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What is it? It's murder It doesn't change because the baby is located in the womb

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It is murder. It ought to be criminalized And we have to ask this question.

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Are we committed to ending the murder of children in our state or is it just a preference?

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Can I ask everyone to pause and think deeply for a moment with humility about that question Are we committed to?

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Ending abortion or is it a preference because there's a difference There's a significant difference

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To being committing to committed to end it for good And it just being a preference because you see if it's just a preference if it's simply a preference again, you can't legislate

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Against it if it's just a preference if it's just a preference the pro -abortionist the people who believe we can do this to our children

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They recognize if it's not a criminal charge if it's not murdered then we win

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Because your preference cannot be codified in the law If it is a baby if it is a human if it is deliberate and intentional

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With malice of forethought killing of a baby if that's what it is, then we can have victory over it

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We have to change the conversation. This is a love -your -neighbor issue Jesus says two greatest commandments love

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God love your neighbor This is a love -your -neighbor issue standing for the lives of these babies and justice for this babies means

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We are loving our neighbors Jesus said in the last day when he vindicates his people and their works before the world

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He says you gave me a drink you gave me something to eat You visited me when I was sick and in prison and people of God will say when did we do this?

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When did we give you something to drink and to eat? When do we visit you in prison and Jesus says what when you did it for the least of these?

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you did it unto me and When we stand for justice for these children Every single bit of this activity is to the glory of Jesus and for him ultimately quickly the scientific issue

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What Roe v. Wade didn't address and that is this what we know now not only from Scripture, but from observational science is that it is a human being from Conception that is an irrefutable fact.

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It cannot be denied What is the difference between that baby in the womb at the moment of conception and every person in this room?

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It's a famous argument. I want you to memorize it. I'm gonna say it so it spreads. It's not mine

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It's borrowed, but it's great sled S -L -E -D

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This is the biology, what's the difference between a human being at the moment of conception and Rusty Thomas right now.

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What's the difference size? It's really small We're gonna have a real hard time in our states and in our nation if we can start killing people because of their size

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First person in trouble is probably my wife. She's a short one. Okay, but we need to recognize that any in any state

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The Legislature has the responsibility to uphold justice. We can't allow the killing of other human beings based upon their size the next point scientifically speaking

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Biologically speaking the level of development people say well, it's not fully developed yet.

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Well, then neither is my seven -year -old. Trust me okay, we all go through different degrees of development and And Biologically speaking.

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It's a human at conception the difference level of development It needs to grow the baby needs to grow he or she needs to grow and to get bigger and to develop

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But you don't kill a human being because they're not fully developed that kind of mentality gave to us

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Nazi Germany That kind of mentality that says this I know that it looks like a human it's not a human it's a

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Jew It's not fully developed Next is the environment.

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It's located in the woman. Why I have to say it should be obvious to us We cannot kill people because of where they're located

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The next is a degree is the degree of dependence Women say it's dependent upon me for its life.

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I want to say as an issue of law and science

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When we talk about killing human beings because they are dependent upon another we have to ask the question where does that stop?

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Because we're all going to be in a particular place when we're older. Well, we're going to be very dependent upon somebody We all go in and out of degrees of dependence upon other human beings all the time

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We cannot kill other human beings because they are dependent upon others Christopher Hitchens Famous atheist, my favorite atheist by the way, he is dead now

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He says in a debate with Frank Turek He says I do as a humanist believe that the concept

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Unborn child is a real one And I think the concept is underlined by all the recent findings of embryology about the early viability of a well -conceived human baby

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One that isn't going to be critically deformed or even some that are Will be able to survive outside the womb earlier and earlier and earlier and I see that date only being pushed back

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I feel the responsibility to consider the occupant of the womb as a candidate member of society in the future and thus to say that it cannot be only the

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Responsibility of the woman to decide upon it that it is a social question and an ethical and moral one

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And I say that as someone who has no supernatural belief Christopher Hitchens Okay quickly, what are we fighting for and we're gonna have next up Matthew Truella talk to us about the role of the civil magistrate

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What are we fighting for number one? immediately Abolish and criminalize abortion at the state level.

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It was a recent bill in Oklahoma SB 1118 Said performing an abortion was a first -degree murder charge in Arizona.

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It is currently against the law to kill your baby Arizona statute 13 dash 3 ,603 a person who provides supplies or administers to a pregnant woman or procures such woman to take any medicine drugs or substance or uses or uses or Employees any instrument or other means whatever with intent thereby to procure the miscarriage of such a woman

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Unless it is necessary to save her life shall be punished by imprisonment in the state Prison for not less than two years no more than five years next point courts cannot make laws

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Every day babies are killed in Arizona. It is a violation of law It is against the law in the state of Arizona to kill your baby and we'll talk in a moment

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We'll hear from dr. Herb Titus about the constitutional issues and Roe v. Wade, but it's important to recognize number one

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It's murder number two It's against the law in Arizona currently and number three courts do not make laws every day babies are killed here

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It is a violation of law How am I doing on time here guys?

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I need to stop, okay? There's so much more we could do we're gonna continue the conversation.

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Here's what I'm asking. I'm asking for us to uphold justice I'm asking us

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Not to be lawless, but to uphold the law That's important When we talk about criminalizing abortion at the state level we're talking about upholding the law

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We're not talking about being lawless We're talking about doing what is right before God and the people of Arizona including these babies.

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That's what we're asking Somebody might say this they might say this is radical It's radical

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To demand an immediate end to abortion and to criminalize it and call it first -degree murder. That's radical

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No What's radical is That we are in a place

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Where we are destroying our own children, and we accept it What's radical is that people shout to us?

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I? Must be allowed to kill my baby That's radical

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It is not lawless to demand justice today for these babies

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It is lawless to seek to destroy them it Is lawless to ask the world to accept?

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the claim that a mom and a dad Should be able to destroy their own boy or girl that is lawless and I want to ask

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Everybody who's watching To go before God and to ask him for the strength and the courage to do what is right before him and One another let's pray father.

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I thank you for today. Just pray you bless God Well one out, and I pray that you'd help

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Lord I pray for those who are listening that they would stay and be patient and I pray those For those who are listening across the world right now that you would stir their hearts and their minds

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God that you'd open their eyes And you would remind them of Olivia Grace and Cara Remind them that these are real

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Babies humans made in your image majestic and beautiful who are being destroyed every day and God Please raise up your people

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God bring us to repentance Forgive us of our indifference and put your gospel in our lips

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And I pray for any legislator who hears this sees this I pray that you would give them courage

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To do what is right in Jesus name. Amen Hey, my name is

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Matt. Well, it's good to be here. And I want to give you greetings from my wife Clara I hail from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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I pastor a church there called Mercy Seek Christian Church and They want to send their greetings to you.

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Also me and my wife have been married for 34 years We have been blessed with 11 children. We also have 13 grandchildren from the oldest three who have been married

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We still have eight more to marry off So yeah, if we can live through that We'll be doing good

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It's an honor to be here tonight and that's because Well, I've written a book it's called the doctrine of the lesser magistrates a proper resistance to tyranny and a repudiation of unlimited obedience to civil government

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It's the first book written on the doctrine of lesser magistrates in over 300 years and The main motivation for me writing this book is because of the preborn in our nation

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Because of the suffering that they've endured for over four decades now I was astounded by the fact that in light of the fact that abortion is murder

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It's a brutal killing of an instant preborn child that we had not seen one governor Not one legislature

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Not one mayor not one Common Council Stand in defiance of this federal judicial tyranny upon our nation not one

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The book has been doing good It is selling hundreds or thousands of copies every month for well over a year now.

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I Do regular radio show interviews? Travel all the time speaking.

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I've met with legislators governors Lieutenant governors attorney generals in various states across the country.

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We've actually seen three bills of legislation bills of interposition introduced in three different states as a direct result of People learning about this doctrine of the lesser magistrate

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It's catching on like wildfire And I believe the reason for that is is because people realize there is no federal solution to America's ills

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Rather the federal government is the problem They're the ones who are the dispensers of injustice and lawlessness they're the ones who are the imposers of decadence and injustice and so People are realizing they no longer have the convenience of behaving indifferently

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Towards the unjust and immoral actions of their federal government. They're realizing that Resistance must be made and when people realize

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That the threat needs to be responded to they want to make sure what they're doing is proper and legitimate

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And that's what they see in the doctrine of the lesser magistrates We have a federal judiciary in this country that behaves as an oligarchy

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They are a law unto themselves far outside their constitutional restraints We have an executive branch at the federal level in this country that now behaves as an emperorship has for decades far outside their constitutional restraints, and we have a

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Congress which is a weakling and refuses to rein in those two lawless

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Unconstitutional behaving branches of government in fact they've added to all their injustice and immorality so people are realizing that something must be done and Something definitely needs to be done on behalf of these preborn babies who are being slaughtered in our nation all on the basis of a mere court opinion by the

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Supreme Court of our land The doctrine of the lesser magistrate is a doctrine which is employed by men for thousands of years

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It's founded in Scripture and in history It's a doctrine proven successful to rein in the unjust or immoral actions of a higher civil authority

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It's a doctrine which needs application in our day on behalf of our helpless preborn neighbor

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Because the federal judiciary has made these little ones open game to those who kill for profit

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But before I introduce this doctrine to you in the short time that I have let me kind of just give you a little summary of our current situation regarding pro -life efforts over the last 40 plus years

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Listen to me now for decades pro -life groups have nibbled around the edges of abortion

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They spend huge amounts of money and people volunteer huge amounts of time

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Only to have a federal court trample their nibblings Then the whole process starts again with the same outcome once again

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Many have wearied and left the field of battle because of it Those of you have been around in this fight for three decades or more like I have you know exactly what

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I'm talking about a Recent Bloomberg News article entitled here's the title of the article new abortion restrictions in states are zero for eight in courts

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Encapsulates what has been the standard operating procedure regarding pro -life legislation for decades

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State legislatures pass a law designed to curtail or regulate the murder of the preborn nibble at the edges and Then federal courts of the

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Supreme Court strike the law down in order to uphold their unjust and immoral 1973

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Roe v. Wade opinion it's been going on for decades and consider this

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Consider the cozy arrangement the pro -life groups and the Republicans have created for each other the pro -life groups offer

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Legislation which nibbles at the edges of abortion this assures their continued existence as yet another measure will have to be introduced and fought over the following year and The year after that and the decade after that and it goes on and on it's been going on for 40 years plus the

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Republicans who like to pay lip service to the preborn and See value in having them used as political footballs are more than happy to accommodate the small incremental legislation proposed by the pro -life groups why because this gets them votes and It gets them labeled pro -life and even gets some 100 % pro -life ratings from their pro -life organizations the pro -life groups and the

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GOP Benefit from this cozy relationship, which they have established between each other

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They both legitimize each other's existence They both win the one who loses is the helpless preborn whom they both disingenuously claim to care about but who's suffering

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They refuse to end Last month in Oklahoma when abolitionists gathered and demanded total abolition of abortion

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Senate bill 1118 Resulted from their efforts a bill that would have outlawed abortion in Oklahoma Declared abortion to be a capital crime and which had no exceptions

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That bill was killed by the GOP leadership and the pro -life organizations of the state

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Many of the senators who refused to support SB 1118 had 100 % pro -life

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Voting records because they had voted for the worthless Nibblings the incremental legislation that's been going on for over 40 years

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Look how the preborn are played Just look at the presidential campaign every four years every four years the

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GOP Tells us we have to vote for their nominee because if we don't

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Then the Democrat will get in and appoint Supreme Court justices yet a

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Little view of history reveals that when Roe v. Wade was ruled upon six of the nine justices sitting on the bench were

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Republican appointed and For the next 34 years after that the Republicans had the majority either 7 to 2 or 8 to 1 they had the majority of the presidents during that 34 years and numerous

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Supreme Court justices were placed on the bench and yet abortion is still legal in our nation

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This is the game that's been played how the preborn are used as political footballs I've been to state houses around this country over the years and one of the things

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I retunely hear from our enemies and from those Who claim to be on our side as they'll get close to me, and they'll say something like this you

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Christians You're the first to roll over and you'll do it for the smallest crumb

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The Christians are over and over again the pro -lifers are over and over again Willing to take less than what is needed and necessary to see this murder brought to an end in our nation

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To take the scrap that's thrown to them off the table Now I don't say these things to be mean or to be little

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I Say them because they need to be acknowledged and we need to repent

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Yes, we all need to repent All of us in one way or the other have been involved in allowing this bloodshed to continue on in our nation

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I've been involved in this fight for decades, and I spent countless hours helping pass

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Incremental legislation, which just allows the killing to continue on with a little tweak here or there for that Repentance is needed

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That is a failed policy When you have 40 plus years of killing and you haven't brought it to an end

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We need a paradigm shift What stops all this? What stops this cozy arrangement?

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What stops this murder? The fruit of our repentance so to speak is the doctrine of the lesser magistrates

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The doctrine of the lesser magistrate has been employed by men for thousands of years.

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It's found in Scripture in history And it's proven successful to rein in the unjust or immoral actions of the higher civil authority

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Here's the definition of the doctrine It's when the higher ranking civil authority makes unjust or immoral law policies or court opinions the lower or lesser ranking civil authority is both the right and the duty to interpose and Refuse obedience to the higher authority if necessary the lesser magistrate may actively resist the superior authority

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Simple enough, right? That's what the doctrine is. It was actually a higher magistrate

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Emperor Trajan who kind of summed up the doctrine when he was giving a sword to a subordinate

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Upon giving him the sword. He said use this sword against my enemies if I give righteous commands

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But if I give unrighteous commands use it against me that is the doctrine summed up in a nutshell

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Though practiced for thousands of years seen in the Old Testament and throughout history the doctrine wasn't formalized until 1550

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AD in Magdeburg, Germany by Lutheran ministers It's known as the

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Magdeburg Confession John Knox who feared no man built upon that what these ministers wrote and Produced the best treatise ever written on the doctrine of the lesser magistrates in 1558 in his appellation to the nobles of Scotland the nobles of Scotland were the lesser magistrates of their day

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In his appellation Knox cited over 7070 70 passages of scripture to establish the doctrine sound and holy writ he writes at one point to the nobles

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He says this to them For now the common song of all men is we must obey our kings be they good or be they bad

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For God is so commanded And this is the common song of the lesser magistrates of our day

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They hide behind the common song the federal courts have ruled all as we can do is obey

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Even when it comes to the pre -born who are brutally murdered in our nation They lie down and say the

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Supreme Court has ruled all as we can do is now obey. It's the law of the land and That is a lie

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Here's what Knox responded to that by saying true it is God has commanded kings to be obeyed

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But likewise true it is that in things which they commit against his glory. He has commanded no obedience

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The pre -born are made in the image of God the magistrates have a duty to render justice on their behalf

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Not lay down and sing the lie the federal courts have ruled all as we can do is obey the historic

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Christian doctrine of the lesser magistrates is rooted in the monumental Christian doctrine of interposition

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Interposition is that calling of God which causes one to step into the gap willingly placing himself between the oppressor and his intended victim

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Remember the midwives who were ordered by Pharaoh to kill that male Hebrew children

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They committed an act of interposition. They refused to obey and they let Those male children live

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Another example is found in 1st Samuel where Saul gave his foolish edict and said that nobody should eat until the battle was over his own son

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Jonathan didn't hear about it ate a little bit of honey and Saul was going to have his own son killed

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But the scripture says that the people Interpose and rescued Jonathan saying not one hair of his head shall be harmed for he has given us a great victory this day

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That's what interposition is The Bible and church history is full of examples of Interposition when it comes to the interposition of the lesser magistrates they interpose between the people and the tyrannical

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Higher civil authority in my book on the doctrine of the lesser magistrates

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I start my book out with a story about a governor named Publius Petronius in The year 39

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AD Caligula who was the emperor of Rome who was kind of tyranny Personified although our federal government here in America seems to be wanting to give him a run for his money in holding that prestigious title

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Caligula got ticked off at the Jews and he ordered made a law of the

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Emperor had it sent to governor Petronius and Ordered him to have a statue of himself placed in the temple in Jerusalem upon receiving the

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Emperor's law Governor Petronius had the statue made assembled 12 ,000 troops thinking there might be a little bit of trouble the

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Jews got wind of it and They sent people there to talk to governor

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Petronius and plead with him Remonstrate before him demonstrate before him and say don't do this.

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This is an immoral law Don't allow this to happen to our temple

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Governor Petronius responded by saying, you know, I want to live I will obey the Emperor.

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I will go along to get along The Jews weren't like your average

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American though. They didn't write their one letter and go home These were tenacious people who abandoned their own fields in order to continue to demonstrate before the governor

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Actually tens of thousands of them ended up showing up up to 30 ,000 at a time men women and children and in the end governor

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Petronius relented and He sent word to Emperor Caligula that he would not put the statue in The temple and he exhorted the

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Emperor to rescind his law to do so well in good typical tyrannical authority fashion

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Emperor Caligula Got mad and he sent word by ship to governor

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Petronius to kill himself Well in God's Providence just two weeks later

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Caligula's Praetorian Guard assassinated assassinated Caligula and Fortunately for governor

01:12:33

Petronius the ship carrying word for him to kill himself arrived after the ship carrying news

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That the Emperor had been assassinated It never was the statue never was placed in the temple.

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It's a little story of the lesser magistrate doctrine in action The doctrine can be needed in any form of government

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Not just the kind That governor Petronius found himself in why because the hearts of men are wicked and they can distort any form of government

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Tyranny can raise its ugly head in a monarchy or a democracy

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It can raise its ugly head in a dictatorship or a representative constitutional

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Republic in any form of government tyranny can raise its ugly head

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When it comes to the interposition of the lesser magistrates the interpose between the people and the tyrannical civil authority and what we are addressing this evening between the helpless preborn child and the abortionist knife whom the federal judiciary has made lethal and The whole power of the federal government seems willing to impose

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This is the duty of the lesser magistrates They are to interpose for the preborn they are not to join in the federal judiciary's rebellion against God We're talking about brutal murder here

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Have you ever seen the photographs of the murder preborn? I have Have you ever held the bodies of the murder preborn in your hands?

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I have it is brutal murder And yet in over 40 years of this bloodshed

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We haven't seen one governor one legislature one mayor one common council stand in their position on their behalf

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Stand in defiance of this tyranny not one and how can that be? It's because we've forgotten

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God in our nation It's because America's pulpits have lost all fealty to Christ and instead love the praises of men

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Love to be liked by men love to tell men what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear Let me tell you

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God's Word speaks to all matters of life including matters of civil government and We need to instruct the magistrates as to what their role function and duty is

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Election sermons used to be given across this nation. They died out about a hundred and fifty years ago

01:14:59

They're needed again. So the magistrates know what their function and purpose is in regards to good governance

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The doctrine of the lesser magistrates understands the importance of divine law For nearly 1 ,500 years the common refrain of Western man was divine law trumps

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Human laws if the law was made contrary to the law of God it was viewed as no law at all

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And it was to be resisted whether you read Alfred the Great in the ninth century or You read

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John of Salisbury in the 12th century or you read William Blackstone the most cited legal scholar by America's founders in the 18th century

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They all referred to God's law as the higher law to which all men and all governments of men were accountable

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They said that law was the objective standard Whereby we judge the laws of men whether they're just or unjust whether they're moral or immoral whether they're right or whether they're wrong

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Here's what? Blackstone said He said upon these two foundations the law of nature and the law of revelation talking about God's written law depend all human laws

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It's the most cited legal scholar by America's founders saying this that is to say no human laws should be suffered to contradict these

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That's pretty strong unless you wonder who this God is he went on to say it talking about the law of God is

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Binding over all the globe in all countries and at all times No human laws are of any validity if contrary to this and such of them as are valid derive all their force and all their

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Authority immediately or immediately from this original the doctrines thus delivered We call the revealed or divine law and they are found only in the holy scriptures

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James Wilson who was one of the movers and shakers for the production of the u .s.

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Constitution Was a signer of the Declaration of Independence and was on the first u .s.

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Supreme Court put there by George Washington himself He said this regarding God's law as Promulgated by reason in the moral sense it has been called natural as Promulgated by the holy scriptures have been called revealed law as addressed to men

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It has been denominated the law of nature as addressed to political size It has been denominated the law of nations

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But it should always be remembered that this law whether natural or revealed made for men or for nations

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Flows from the same divine source it is the law of God This was the thinking of Western man for nearly 1 ,500 years

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That God's law was the higher law to which all men and all governments of men were accountable

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Wilson went on to say human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is divine

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This is the thinking of Western man. This isn't political theory. This is What they held to be true

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John of Salisbury who wrote Polycraticus in 1159 AD. How many of you have ever read

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Polycraticus? Everybody should read it all my sons and daughters have to read it. Yes.

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There are actually some good writings from medieval times John of Salisbury said this regarding lesser magistrates

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He said loyal shoulders should sustain the power of the ruler so long as it is exercised in Subjection to God and follows his ordinances

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But if it resists and imposes divine commandments and wishes to make me share in its war against God Then with unrestrained voice

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I answer back that God must be preferred before any man on earth amen

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Now men will forbear and so we should actually we should look for ways to resolve

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Things that are done wrong within our government But there comes a time

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When the interposition of the lesser magistrates is needed and necessary and they must interpose

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I Want to share with you what those three situations are number one they are to oppose and resist any laws

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Policies or court opinions from the higher authority which contravene oppose or contradict the law or word of God number two

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They are to protect the person property and liberty of those who reside within their jurisdiction from tyrannical attacks

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By higher authority and number three since we live in America They are not to implement any laws policies or court opinions made by the higher authority that violate or exceed the u .s.

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Constitution or their state constitution and if necessary actively resist them

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You notice when you look at these three all of them apply to the pre -born number one

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This opinion by the Supreme Court Roe v. Wade Says that human beings can be murdered when

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God makes clear in his word you shall not murder number two the interposition of the lesser magistrate is needed because their very person is threatened with death and number three

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This opinion of the court has no founding in the u .s.

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Constitution whatsoever in fact it's repugnant to the u .s. Constitution in fact they just made up their ruling as they said themselves from penumbra's and emanations

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Because they couldn't find anything in the u .s. Constitution for their ruling now let me state something that is radical to the average

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Christian mind in our day But was completely the common thinking of Christians for hundreds of years and it is this

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The magistrates have the duty to uphold the law and word of God Let me repeat that to you the magistrates have the duty to uphold the law and word of God They have a duty to interpose

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For the pre -born they are not to join in the federal judiciary's rebellion against God by singing the common song

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We can do nothing but obey Now here's what we need to do Okay, here's what we need to do first We need to understand that there is no federal solution to the slaughter of the pre -born

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The federal government is the problem They used raw judicial power to impose it upon our nation, and they have upheld this evil through raw judicial power ever since number two

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State legislators and governors need to be prodded to end their cozy relationship with pro -life organizations

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This is a huge role of the people you have to prod your legislators to end the cozy relationship they have with pro -life organizations and do what's needed and necessary and Implement immediate interposition total abolition of abortion

01:22:06

This is hugely important. They have to end their cozy relationship with pro -life organizations that seem more interested in Prolonging their existence and filling their coffers off the bloody backs of the murdered pre -born

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Than they are in abolishing this killing in our nation third

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State legislators and governors need to know that we have their backs if they do what is needed and necessary to protect the pre -born

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We need to assure them. We will give them our substance our lives our prayers

01:22:40

Doing whatever is needed both publicly and privately to support them for making a stand they need to hear from you.

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I Hear this routinely from lawmakers, you know, the wicked are all in my face

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I never hear from the good people and We can blame the pulpits for a lot of that The fourth thing is this

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We must demand immediate interposition in total abolition of abortion

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We must demand it Here's what Frederick Douglass Famous abolitionist said he said power concedes nothing without a demand

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It never did and it never will Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found the exact measure of injustice and wrong

01:23:28

Which will be imposed upon them the legislators have found

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What the pro -life groups are willing to put up with? It's not their bodies that are threatened with a brutal death and so they prolong the slaughter for decades now and it needs to be brought to an end needs to cease in our nation and And fifth we must offer nothing less to our state legislators and governors than total abolition

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Do you know what happens if you offer a politician something less than what is needed and necessary?

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They'll take it every single time And that's what they've done for decades now

01:24:13

Regarding the slaughter of the pre -born because of what pro -life groups have offered them these little nibblings at the edges of abortion

01:24:21

Rather than doing what is needed and necessary and demanding outright abolition of this bloodshed in our land

01:24:28

This is huge Regarding the role the people when it comes to the doctrine of the lesser magistrate you must prod your legislators to do what's needed and necessary You must also instruct them from the

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Word of God as to what their duty and function is as Magistrates and you must rally behind them when they do take a stand letting them know that you have their back

01:24:52

You will be there publicly and privately to help them out every way possible if they do what is needed and necessary Massively important for us to understand these things the scripture says when you sit down To eat with a ruler consider carefully what is before you and put a knife to your throat if you're a man given to appetite

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Do not desires to let delicacies for their deceptive food You know why the scriptures tell us to put a knife to our throat when we meet with the magistrates?

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Because we need to put a knife to our throat because something happens when pro -life lobbyists show up at the halls of power and Hear the little sayings of the magistrates why they can't do what's needed and necessary And they lose total sight of why they ever started to go there to begin with You have to keep a knife to your throat

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You have to demand total abolition and accept nothing less nothing less if You offer something less if you agree to something less.

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They'll take it and the killing will continue on They have to see that you're serious

01:25:59

They have to see that there's some pain involved for them Politically if they continue to behave the way that they're behaving and not interposing

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We have been taught that it's wise to take what we can get we therefore feel weird about standing strong and resisting lesser actions than total abolition

01:26:18

Listen to me now we can only act differently than we have in the past if we look at the reality of what has been done and realize if We continue to take what we can get the pre -born will continue to be slaughtered as the same cycles repeat themselves for another 40 years

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The interposition of the lesser magistrates not only protects those being harmed by the tyrannical civil authority

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But it also reminds the tyrannical civil authority that their authority has limits

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When the lesser magistrates don't go along with what the higher tyrannical civil authority is doing it causes the opportunity for the magistrate the tyrannical magistrate to come to grips with his evil and It also reminds him that his authority has limits in a true federalism

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Which is what our founders established it is understood that all branches of government possess lawful authority whether federal state county or local

01:27:18

Those in a true federalism also understand that whenever one branch of government decides to play the tyrant it becomes done more than ever incumbent upon all other branches whether federal

01:27:30

State county or local to resist them more than ever Even if that branch playing the tyrant is the

01:27:39

Supreme Court itself all Magistrates in America from the policemen to the president take an oath to uphold the

01:27:45

US Constitution They do not take an oath of subservience to the federal government. They do not take an oath of Subservience to the federal judiciary they take an oath to uphold the

01:27:56

Constitution America's founders never expected the states to just go along with unjust immoral actions by the federal government

01:28:06

Just 11 years after the ink dried on the US Constitution the federal government went out side their constitutional restraints they went outside their

01:28:17

Delegated authority is given to them by the Constitution through the Alien and Sedition Act two states opposed them

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Virginia and Kentucky They wrote resolutions in defiance of this lawless federal action

01:28:34

James Madison who is the architect of the US Constitution wrote the Virginia Resolution and he said this in part in there

01:28:43

He said the states who are parties thereto parties to the US Constitution have the right and are in duty bound to interpose for arresting the progress of evil and for Maintaining within their perspective limits the authorities rights and liberties appertaining to them.

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Do you see those words? interpose for arresting the progress of evil

01:29:06

Thomas Jefferson wrote the Kentucky Resolution and he said in part that when so ever the general government talking about the federal government assumes

01:29:14

Undelegated powers its acts are unauthoritative void and of no force in 1859 up in Wisconsin where I'm from our state legislature defied the federal government and the

01:29:31

US Supreme Court and Declared this regarding the federal Fugitive Slave Act Resolved that this assumption of jurisdiction by the federal judiciary in the said case and without process is an act of Undelegated power and therefore without authority void and of no force

01:29:49

This is hugely important The founders never expected the states to just put up with egregious acts

01:29:56

By the federal government they expected the states to interpose Understand Roe v.

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Wade is not a law it is an opinion of a court the federal judiciary itself has created this fiction that what the

01:30:11

Supreme Court rules is now the law of the land the courts themselves created this fiction and The lesser magistrates along with the pro -life pro -family groups have given credence to this fiction

01:30:22

Because every time a federal court of the US Supreme Court does rule they say oh the supreme The federal courts have ruled all we can do is obey now, and that's a lie

01:30:31

It's a fiction. That's been created and foisted upon the American people They claim this is judicial supremacy

01:30:40

And they say that it's found in article 6 paragraph 2 of the US Constitution Where the

01:30:46

Supreme Court is the final and lone arbiter of what is constitutional or not constitutional?

01:30:53

But the funny thing is when you look at article 6 paragraph 2 of the US Constitution The US Supreme Court isn't mentioned anywhere in there in fact federal courts aren't even mentioned there

01:31:05

You know what has supremacy the US Constitution itself And everyone from a policeman to the president takes an oath to uphold it

01:31:15

That's what they take so if one branch begins to play the tyrant enact

01:31:21

Unconstitutionally all other branches have a duty not just to go along with the Judiciary, but to oppose and resist them article 1 section 1 of the

01:31:32

US Constitution says that all legislative power resides in Congress That means that all law -making power resides with Congress now if all law -making power resides with Congress How much law -making power resides with the

01:31:49

Judiciary? Zero It is not the law of the land it is an opinion of the court

01:31:56

This matter of the federal judiciary has been written about by men and scholars for nearly 200 years now

01:32:01

Men will forbear and so we should but there comes a point where we can no longer do so And we reached it long ago when it comes to this brutal murder of the pre -born

01:32:12

Should have been dealt with 40 some years ago When the injustice and immorality needs to be confronted men realize we have reached the point that they can no longer have the convenience of responding with indifference to the

01:32:25

Injustice immorality of their federal government is imposing upon them. Here's what Thomas Jefferson said

01:32:31

He said the germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the Constitution of the federal judiciary

01:32:36

An irresponsible body working like gravity by night and by day Gaining a little today and a little tomorrow and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction to all shall be usurped

01:32:48

We are there For decades we have already been what

01:32:53

Thomas where Thomas Jefferson warned us of understand Legislators you cannot appease a tyrant you must confront him

01:33:02

Many wonder what will happen if interposition of the lesser magistrates, which is so needed in this hour actually takes place.

01:33:08

What will happen? What they need to understand is what will continue to happen if good men don't take a stand and interpose against the federal beast

01:33:17

If good men do nothing it allows the tyrant the leisure of implementing the next plank of his tyranny

01:33:24

And this is what the federal government has been doing in this nation for decades now The tyrannical

01:33:32

Authority always counts on the compliance of the lesser magistrates in order to get their tyranny down into the fabric of society

01:33:39

When they no longer have that that is when the tyrant authority knows it has a problem on its hands

01:33:45

And it's time for the lesser magistrates in America to take a stand

01:33:50

The states were never meant to be mere provinces of the federal government They were never meant to be mere implementation centers of unjust and immoral federal law policy and court opinion

01:34:01

But that's what they've been reduced to in our nation now Jefferson said this if those who administer the general government be permitted

01:34:10

To transgress the limits fixed by the compact by a total disregard to the special delegations of power therein contained

01:34:18

Annihilation of the state governments in the erection upon their ruins of a general consolidation government will be the inevitable consequence

01:34:24

We've long been there The states have been reduced to nothing but provinces for an unjust immoral federal government

01:34:33

Listen to me now Nowhere does the Constitution Bind the states and the people to a suicide pact with the federal government

01:34:44

We are all not just to conform and go along with the federal government as they take our nation over the edge of the cliff

01:34:55

When men realize they no longer have the convenience of being indifferent towards the unjust and immoral actions of their government

01:35:03

When men realize resistance to lawless higher civil authority must be made they want to know that is proper and legitimate

01:35:08

And the doctrine of the lesser magistrate provides that and let me close with this Let me address you magistrates gathered here this evening or watching by the internet

01:35:18

Your inner position abates the just judgment of God You have to understand that Ezekiel chapter 22 verses 27 through 31

01:35:34

Verse 27 says her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing the prey to shed blood to destroy people and to get dishonest gain

01:35:41

That's the magistrates Verse 28 her prophets plastered them with untempered mortar seeing false visions divining lies for them saying thus says the

01:35:51

Lord God When the Lord had not spoken. That's the church Verse 29 the people of the land have used oppressions committed robbery and mistreated the poor and needy and they wrongfully oppressed the stranger

01:36:02

That's the people so things are pretty bad The magistrates are messed up the church is messed up the people are messed up And the

01:36:12

Lord says so I sought for a man among them who would make a wall and stand in the gap before me on Behalf of the land that I should not destroy it

01:36:21

But I found no one Your inner position magistrates in this regard abates the just judgment of God the blood of over 50 million preborn children cries out from the ground for justice and God will bring his righteous judgment upon a rebellious nation your inner position

01:36:44

Can abate that? Here's what John Knox said to the nobles of Scotland He said shall you be excused if with silence you pass over his iniquity talking about the king's iniquity

01:36:56

Be not deceived my lords you are placed in authority for another purpose than to flatter your king and his folly and blind rage

01:37:04

You are bound to correct and repress whatsoever, you know him to attempt

01:37:11

Expressly reputing to God's word honor and glory or what you shall a spy him to do be it by ignorance or be it by malice against his subjects great or as Pastor Jeff talked about small the hour for inner position is now.

01:37:30

It's long past due And I call upon you to do what is needed and necessary god bless you it's interesting the

01:37:52

Street on this where this particular buildings that I've never been to this building before is Knox Street an interesting feature and facet of the

01:38:01

The ideas that have been expressed here in relationship to what God's Word says in relationship to our unborn neighbor

01:38:08

Sometimes these are bold words that need to be heard We need to be fundamentally courageous as we go forth and again, we're here at the

01:38:18

The event it's end abortion now, and we have another speaker. His name is

01:38:23

Marcus Pittman He's filmmaker and producer director for apology of studios Marcus Pittman is the director of the pro -life movie babies are murdered here, which has been seen nearly a hundred thousand times on YouTube The movie's call to action was so successful It forced

01:38:40

Planned Parenthood to create a marketing campaign called health care happens here as A response he now is the producer and director for apology of studios

01:38:51

Including apology a TV which can be seen on the NRB network

01:38:56

Marcus all right.

01:39:06

I'm just gonna talk for All right

01:39:20

So I get to talk to you guys not as an elder not as a pastor not as a legislator or a theologian

01:39:26

I get to talk to you about a filmmaker and what a filmmaker does is we tell stories

01:39:31

Now you're probably wondering why is it at a political event like this? I'm talking about telling stories

01:39:38

Well, it's because the pro -life movement has failed to tell the story for the past 43 years they've given in to the stories of the pro -choice movement

01:39:48

They've let their narrative They've let their conversation control how people view abortion in this country and That's unacceptable

01:39:59

The Bible says in Proverbs 18 21 that death and life are in the power of the tongue as a filmmaker

01:40:06

I get to tell stories and I can tell stories of life or I can tell stories of death and so I Decided to make one that kind of talked about both and it was called babies are murdered here

01:40:22

The movie as he said has got nearly a hundred thousand views on YouTube We put it up for free and it happened sort of by accident

01:40:33

Several years ago a friend calls me up He's planning a church in Syracuse, New York, and he says hey

01:40:38

I want you to come and make a video about my church plant in Syracuse Can you come and I was like sure so I get on the plane

01:40:44

I show up and he says well I got bad news You're supposed to get a plane ticket Sunday at 8 p .m.

01:40:50

But I accidentally made it Sunday at 8 a .m. So you're gonna go home before church starts So there was no church plant to make so I said well

01:40:59

Is there anything we can film anything you want to do that? We can go out and film and he says well There's a subortion clinic that Puts on their website that there's no

01:41:09

Protesters there's nobody standing up for life out there and they use that as a marketing ploy to get people to come in So we're gonna go show up for the first time that this clinics ever had and I was like well sounds like a great story

01:41:23

So a friend of mine by the name of Robert Gray went to the dollar store that night and he got a dollar piece of cardboard and He got a dollar pack of markers red and black and he sat at the table and he made that sign right there and we didn't really know what he was doing and he walks in the room and he brings in this sign and we were just Speechless, I don't know if it's the way the letters are written like a kid wrote it or the red letters for murdered

01:41:54

But something really spoke out that sign Tells a story and it tells a story that nobody is saying nobody

01:42:06

Was standing outside with signs that said what was happening in there

01:42:12

Babies are murdered here. And so as we were filming Robert stood outside on that cold day

01:42:21

With that sign and I thought I think there's a movie here and I didn't know how to pay for it

01:42:28

I didn't have any money. So I essentially put up on Facebook a trailer composed with footage from here and a few friends from home and It went nuts now, there's no movie yet It's just a trailer and I wanted to make a movie that was about the people who go outside and and stand up for life outside these clinics, but Immediately it occurred to me that there's another movie that's happening

01:43:00

Because people all over the country started taking the sign from a movie trailer that didn't even exist and they started to hold up signs

01:43:07

That said babies are murdered here. We started to control the story for the first time in 43 years for the first time the pro -life movement controlled the

01:43:24

Conversation and we controlled how people viewed Planned Parenthood and in this election cycle

01:43:32

We heard questions asked that haven't been asked in other election cycles Do you think abortion is murder?

01:43:41

Those were questions asked at presidential debates and they haven't been asked in 43 years but we changed the conversation and people all over the country started to be involved to get involved and I want you guys to see this

01:43:57

We have audio here Sorry, I'll try to start it over When Jilo is ready

01:44:24

Any minute I could just turn it up on the

01:44:31

TV, I think I used to think

01:44:44

That people who secured abortions were misled that they were lied to that. They didn't know and it's certainly conceivable though unlikely

01:44:53

But it's conceivable that that's 40 years ago and pregnant girl Is a myth

01:45:00

This is a heartless woman Who may indeed find herself in a difficult bind and Whose solution is to murder the baby?

01:46:10

There's only one word for abortion it's murder Abortion in every instance is the premeditated taking of an innocent human being's life with malice or thought

01:46:21

I used to think That people who secured abortions were misled that they were lied to that they didn't know and it's certainly conceivable though unlikely

01:46:32

But it's conceivable that that's 40 years ago at the dawn of Roe v.

01:46:38

Wade That there were people who really did buy into this massive tissue argument, but that argument friends has been dead for 20 years

01:46:49

Everyone knows it's a baby. It's now being admitted that it's a baby even by those who are pro -choice

01:46:57

Publicly in print admitted. We know it's a baby, but we still ought to be able to kill it

01:47:05

That's Ironically some welcome honesty But if you go to the mill and you talk to these women who are on their way in that door

01:47:12

You don't have to wait for these articles where people are coming out They knew when you speak to them They know what they're doing their response even among those who profess to be

01:47:21

Christians is not it's just tissue It's not it's no big deal. It's I can be forgiven.

01:47:27

I have the right How did We Not tell that story for 43 years

01:47:38

How did we give in to Planned Parenthood's position? that It's a woman's choice as opposed to saying no, it's murder

01:47:49

I Think that's the failure of the pro -life movement is they've been so focused on Playing this political game that they've bought into the pro -choice's story that their

01:48:05

Planned Parenthood is more than happy to have us talk about Planned Parenthood is very happy when we refuse to say that abortion is murder

01:48:16

That's the last thing they want to have to deal with because if abortion is actually murder

01:48:24

Then there has to be a law that stops it and that's what we have to do we have to change the conversation and We did

01:48:38

So this is how I'm gonna get kind of tears look and I see this This is

01:48:44

Planned Parenthood's marketing campaign now They hang these signs outside of their building that says health care happens here

01:48:53

They're responding to a video on YouTube that has less than a hundred thousand views now and All I did was say the truth

01:49:06

Babies are murdered here a multi billion dollar organization like Planned Parenthood is

01:49:14

Responding to a guy who raised five thousand dollars over the course of an entire year

01:49:20

To make a film in which all the money was spent on travel and plane tickets That's the power of Having guts.

01:49:31

That's the power of speaking the truth and being bold. It is our

01:49:37

World that we are on right now Those who are unbelievers are visitors

01:49:43

But for those who are heirs to the king it is ours and we control the conversation of this world

01:49:51

We tell the stories we tell the truth We do not give in to their lies about our position.

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We do not submit to their their desires on How we have this conversation

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Babies are dying Babies are being murdered and We need to make sure that we take bold and radical moves to make sure that we continue the conversation that we continue to tell the story and I'll end with a quote from a great storyteller

01:50:33

C .s. Lewis he says in the screwtape letters indeed the safest road to hell is the gradual

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One the gentle slope soft underfoot without sudden turnings without mild post

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Without sign without milestones and without signposts. I would like to ask any members of the pro -life movement

01:50:55

Any of the major players? I'd like to ask them what their mileposts are because after 43 years

01:51:05

They are not the ones who have been controlling the conversation They have not been the ones who have been telling the stories, but Planned Parenthood sure has

01:51:16

Everybody sees Planned Parenthood as a health care issue because they've controlled the conversation and So I'd like to end it there and I'd like to ask everybody to control the conversation to change the conversation and to tell the story in a way that is honoring to God and not

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Weak and so one more thing we must fear we must not fear the judges

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Who wear black robes, but we need to fear the one who wears white Thank you guys so much.

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Thank you guys everyone who's here and who's Stayed focused throughout two hours of talks and it means a lot to us and thank you guys for you guys for those of you guys are watching around the world right now and Legislators who are watching right now.

01:52:13

I want to encourage you guys to keep keep staying tuned We're gonna take just a short break to let everyone here stop

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Take a bathroom break get some food and so about 20 more minutes and we back and we're gonna hear from dr.

01:52:25

Herb Titus specifically on the issues related to the Constitution state law and We heard from Matt talking about interposition.

01:52:36

We're gonna ask a question. Is that legal? Is that how our system of government works?

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And so that's coming up next as well as dr Joel McDermott and rusty Thomas and so you guys stay tuned 20 -minute break.

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We'll be right back. Oh One more thing. Can I say this? Am I still up there Marcus?

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Our next speaker on this topic is going to bring a wealth of information and a wealth of expertise and that is

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Dr. Herb Titus. He's a constitutional and common law scholar Dr.

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Titus holds the JD degree from Harvard and the BS degree in political science from the University of Oregon from which he graduated

02:15:10

He is an active member of the Bar of Virginia and an active member of the Bar of Oregon He is admitted to practice before the

02:15:17

United States Supreme Court the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia the

02:15:24

United State Courts of Claims the Army Court of Criminal Appeals The US Court of Appeals for the

02:15:30

Armed Forces and the United States Courts of Appeals for the 6th 7th 9th 10th

02:15:37

District of Columbia and Federal Circuits, I believe that we have dr. Titus on a already filmed

02:15:45

Speech that he gave that will be put it up as well. Thank you by a vote of 7 to 2 in which they struck down a

02:15:57

Texas statute that prohibited abortion except to save the life of the mother

02:16:04

They purported to strike down not only the Texas statute, but to strike down Texas type statutes, so they didn't really execute judicial power.

02:16:17

They actually exercised Legislative power in which they basically purported to rule the abortion statutes across the country were unconstitutional and that is a

02:16:33

Matter that has never been disputed that they did not limit themselves to the case before them they did not limit themselves to filing a

02:16:44

Order that applied only to the Texas statute, but rather a general order across the board and being an illegitimate exercise of legislative power

02:16:55

Roe v. Wade has never really been challenged on that ground instead what has happened is that people have accepted the assumption that it was an exercise of judicial power based upon a

02:17:10

Bunch of precedents that protected a so -called right to privacy even though the court itself

02:17:17

Recognized that the law That they had just struck down was one that had been on the books for many decades and it was only because of a number of Privacy cases that had been decided by the court in the 1960s and early 70s that they went after the abortion statute

02:17:42

Oftentimes people in the pro -life movement will talk about doing a constitutional amendment for the sake of The children who are being killed in abortion

02:17:54

Why do you believe that is wrongheaded when we talk about constitutional amendments?

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Well, the Constitution is not what needs to be amended the court opinions are what need to be amended as Chief Justice Marshall wrote in Marbury Madison the

02:18:10

Constitution as it is written governs the courts just like it governs the state legislatures and the federal legislation and What has happened here is that the court has actually elevated its own opinion?

02:18:25

above the constitutional text and purports to base a rule of law on their opinion and not on correct

02:18:33

Interpretation of a text of the Constitution matter of fact, they ignored the text and went off following their own

02:18:39

Precedence and as a result Came up with a decision that has no legitimacy whatsoever.

02:18:45

Okay? Does Roe v. Wade create a law? that can legitimately

02:18:54

Undermine any state statute that would criminalize abortion Today people assume that a court opinion is a rule of law

02:19:04

That is not correct. A court opinion is a judgment as to what the law means

02:19:09

And how it may apply in a particular case Courts have no authority to make law.

02:19:16

It's never been within their jurisdiction to do so and At the time that the

02:19:22

Constitution was written Everyone knew that to be the case they believed what

02:19:28

Sir William Blackstone said was that the court opinion and Law are not interchangeable in the same thing because a court opinion can mistake the law

02:19:38

Okay, all right, so if we have a state statute like say for example in the state of Arizona We have a statute.

02:19:47

It's 13 dash 3600 603 a person who provides supplies or administers to a pregnant woman or procures such women to take any

02:20:00

Medicine drugs or substance or uses or employs any instrument or other means whatever

02:20:06

With intent thereby to procure the miscarriage of such a such woman unless it is necessary to save her life

02:20:12

Shall be punished by imprisonment in a state prison for not less than two years.

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No more than five years Does Roe v. Wade? Do away with that state statute?

02:20:25

No, okay, that statute remains on the books unless it's repealed by the

02:20:31

Arizona State Legislature itself There's nothing about a court opinion that erases a

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Statute even when the court Concludes that to apply the statute would be unconstitutional

02:20:46

This is a matter that was well known even in the New Deal era where courts were striking down minimum wage laws and the question arose when the court changed course with regard to minimum wage laws as well

02:21:01

Do we have to pass the minimum wage law again? And the answer was no it remained on the books and was and was available for enforcement what it means when you have a

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Opinion like Roe v. Wade is that you still have a law that can be enforced but the courts are going to stand in the way of the enforcement of that statute

02:21:28

Okay, so say we We find ourselves in this conflict. Dr. Titus where there are

02:21:35

Legislators who want to do to uphold justice for these fatherless children they want to uphold justice for these children who are being slaughtered in the womb and They would like to see an immediate

02:21:49

Abolishment ban of abortion at the state level they'd like to see Justice done for the unborn and they'd like to see the abortion issue be a criminal issue at the state level

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But they're oftentimes afraid of a higher court simply striking down that attempt

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What kind of advice would you have for legislators in a state that want to pursue?

02:22:15

Statutes that criminalize abortion at the state level, but they have a fear that a higher court will simply disagree with them

02:22:22

Give a decision that would that would attempt to strike it down What kind of advice would you have for them? Are they are they bound by those sorts of decisions or does our system of government allow for lesser?

02:22:33

magistrates to resist that form that that type of lawlessness and tyranny on the unborn well, it would not be strategic to Oppose the

02:22:44

Roe v. Wade and the Wade line of cases Based upon say for example the

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Arizona statute that you just quoted because then you would be litigating the case basically upon the same record as was litigated in Roe v.

02:23:03

Wade in the first place okay, you would want to do strategically as lower magistrates would be to put together a plan a strategic plan of how to establish an entirely different Foundation and framework for a different law prohibiting abortion for example

02:23:24

Roe v. Wade was based upon an assumption that The baby in the womb of the mother was just potential human life right since Roe v.

02:23:33

Wade There's no question that the baby is Fully human at the very moment of conception

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Yes, that needs to be put into the record that you're now passing a statute based upon the latest findings scientific findings genetic code findings that a

02:23:52

Baby as a human being as a matter of science At the moment of conception

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The second thing you would want to address would be that the issue is not just the life of the baby the issue also relates to Other life issues that are impacted by the abortion decision that it undermines the integrity of human life in other situations such as in euthanasia, and so you would want to establish a policy of Sanctity sanctity of human life that transcends the baby

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The second thing you would do would be to demonstrate that the woman in terms of her

02:24:36

Choosing an abortion in Roe v. Wade. It was assumed that Choosing abortion would be a much safer process than to give birth to a natural child to a baby

02:24:50

But there's lots of data out there which shows that that's an untrue assumption

02:24:55

That the dangers with respect to the mother are very great And even greater by having an abortion than having a bringing a child term

02:25:06

So that's very important to do and to also show that Roe v. Wade was based upon a false picture of what the abortion process would be it was set upon the assumption that a doctor and very close relationship to the patient would

02:25:23

Discuss the pros and the cons and everything and before the abortion would ever take place

02:25:29

Experiences shown that that just doesn't take place Planned Parenthood doesn't do that. They don't sit down with clients as a matter of fact in recent cases

02:25:37

It's been shown that Women who get abortions get them by themselves usually or some boyfriend who doesn't want to have the baby

02:25:46

Which brings up of course the other thing is that you have to show that there's Adverse effects upon the family and so by going back and real examining all of the factual and Moral bases you would come up with a new statute based upon new findings and in that sense

02:26:05

You wouldn't be directly challenging Roe v. Wade. You'd actually be distinguishing

02:26:10

Roe v. Wade because the factual picture that's painted in Roe v. Wade is just simply

02:26:17

Not true. Yes. Yes. So dr. Titus If there are states in our

02:26:24

Union that have current statutes on the books prohibiting or criminalizing abortion in that state

02:26:33

When abortions are performed in those states today with those current statutes even with Roe v.

02:26:38

Wade What we're saying is is that there are criminal acts being committed in those states when abortions are performed

02:26:46

You have to think you're you're dealing with two different courts public opinion

02:26:53

It's very important to disabuse people thinking that Roe v. Wade legalized abortion, right?

02:26:59

That's not possible Yes, that's impossible. That's right The court can't make straight what

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God has made crooked They can't deny to a baby the full protection of laws prohibiting homicide

02:27:12

It just simply isn't true So the rhetoric that we engage in is very very important or otherwise

02:27:18

People would think that well, we're challenging a legal rule well, no, we're not we're challenging a rule that is based upon an illegitimate statement of facts and Assumption of law and it's important in the public court of public opinion to talk in those kinds of terms the other challenge that you have that you're just suggesting is the lower magistrate the governors of States that in today's political climate are very reluctant to interpose between the people of the state and of the

02:27:52

Congress or of the court and There has to be a cultivation amongst the lower magistrate such as governors and attorneys general to recognize that they have a moral and legal obligation to stand on the law and not just hide behind the skirts of the court that has

02:28:11

Decided a case in a wrong way Okay, dr. Titus is is it your expert legal opinion that abortion

02:28:21

Should be abolished at the state level. Is it your expert legal opinion?

02:28:27

that states can engage in this kind of legislation lawfully

02:28:34

Well, certainly and that's a very important point until the United States Supreme Court Constitutionalized the abortion issue

02:28:43

Abortion was considered a state matter and in our federal system It was a matter that the state should decide not a matter that the

02:28:51

United States should decide much less the United States Supreme Court Making the decision for the people of each state so it's extremely important for the states to step up to the plate and Get back to the business of protecting innocent life and not allow the federal courts to push them around But that requires them to take a position

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About what law is that they've got to come to the conclusion that a court opinion is not law

02:29:19

It's never been considered to be law by presidents from Jefferson and through through Lincoln Democrats as well as Republicans.

02:29:28

We need some courageous governors to interpose and protect the precious life of Babies in the womb of their mother.

02:29:39

All right, dr. Titus you are a spectacular gift And I'm just grateful for all the time you spent with me over the last two weeks talking and in particular doing this

02:29:50

Interview with us. So we're grateful for you, sir, and your expertise. Thank you so much Thank you for having me.

02:29:57

God bless you, sir. God bless you Fantastic.

02:31:32

Next speaker. We have is Dr. Joel McDermott He is president president of American vision

02:31:38

Joe McDermott PhD is president of American vision and has authored over a dozen books including restoring

02:31:43

America one country at a time the Bible and war in America biblical logic in theory and practice

02:31:50

God versus socialism the return of the village atheist and Jesus versus Jerusalem.

02:31:57

Dr McDermott is also featured in several audio in video lectures on various topics of economics

02:32:03

Apologetics and church history. He has served with American vision since 2008 Joel and his wife have four sons and one daughter

02:32:11

Dr. McDermott. Well, thank you all for coming out tonight

02:32:21

Thank you gentlemen for investing a significant amount of a Friday evening in which you could be doing other things and what is obvious a life

02:32:29

And death issue Thank You pastor Jeff for throwing this Event on short notice.

02:32:36

Thank you to pastor true. Hello whose presentation on the lesser magistrate is Great a lot of good material in there and I'm going to do the good

02:32:44

Christian thing and steal a lot of your material for future talks I had the occasion last night to Give to a group of Christians bad news

02:32:58

At least seemingly bad news To think about think through some of the logic of what would happen in the scenarios that brother

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Titus just talked about What happens when we pass that law at the state level? What happens when we pass it and the governor signs it and then we have this a -ha moment that wow we just said abortion is murder in this state and now that's law and What happens somebody asked in this small group setting what happens?

02:33:28

And I said, let's look at it from a realistic and fairly worst -case scenario of what would probably happen

02:33:35

The Supreme Court would strike it down Just like they did with Roe v. Wade. It would be an exercise of raw judicial power overreach and Other things of that nature and they would strike it down and in the minds of all the people here we are again

02:33:49

Well, we must return and just submit and obey But if the court strikes down that law we have to come to a decision

02:33:57

The magistrates at the state level by which we mean governors legislators judges county commissioners city councils, etc

02:34:08

Have to make a decision. Are we going to roll over before the federal government?

02:34:14

Or we're going to stand up for what we believe in and stand for it Consequences be what they may in such a situation.

02:34:23

What kind of consequences would there be? Well, I can think of one major one. There may be others.

02:34:29

Maybe others more drastic I don't know, but one of them I can think of would be well you want to defy federal law we'll start pulling a federal funding from every federal program you have in your state and Leave your state officials to answer to the people why they no longer have highway funding

02:34:45

Why they know how to no longer have education funding why they no longer have funding for health care or Medicare let's go on down the line

02:34:54

Suddenly when all the money is not flowing into the state and that's not even counting the corporations and people like PayPal and the corrupt corporations that would try the same tactics

02:35:03

Suddenly all the money is not flowing into the states. Now. What are the magistrates say to the people and That is a difficult situation that we may face when we take a hard line on this issue

02:35:15

And the question for us is going to be Do we cower before the forces of federal government or do we stand firm for what we believe in?

02:35:25

in the lordship of Jesus Christ Consequences be what they may and We have to remember because we look at these things and we look at threats like that that could come from the federal level and We begin to get scared

02:35:39

We begin to fear we begin to tremble we begin to act like we have no answers there are no other answers to replace all of this federal programs and We begin to find ourselves defining ourselves by the circumstances around us rather than by the promises and the commandments of God and It says to me.

02:36:02

We need to step back and remember some of our basic Sunday school lessons And a few others that weren't taught to us in Sunday school, and I'd like to share those with you in the next few minutes

02:36:13

The basic Sunday school lesson we need to remember is that with God? Small things are big and the big things are small

02:36:22

Because what some of those people asked me last night is when we get in a situation like that What can just a few of us do?

02:36:30

Now I was told that just for this event there would be seven state legislators who wanted to come listen whether they came or not

02:36:36

I'm not sure but some of you guys may be them. I don't know But that that's great. That's awesome, but it's seven out of how many?

02:36:44

It's just a tiny handful of Christians a Tiny group of tiny

02:36:49

Christians in the face of all the forces of tyranny in this world right and left

02:36:57

What can a tiny handful of tiny Christians do and we need to remember with God small things are big big things are small

02:37:06

And I'd like to remind you of a few of those lessons tonight as we walk through the scripture Because God tells us this lesson over and over and over don't define your agenda by the

02:37:18

Circumstances and the forces around you define it by the promises of God And I want to talk to you this morning about a little woman named

02:37:26

Hannah. I said this morning I feel like I'm preaching in a church on Sunday morning a little woman named

02:37:32

Hannah We all know the story of Hannah, don't we we all know the story of Hannah because she's preached about every year on Mother's Day She is the icon for the

02:37:44

Mother's Day for the evangelical industrial complex Every Mother's Day.

02:37:51

Oh lovely little Hannah She had no children but she trusted in God and she prayed and said if you just give me a child

02:38:00

I'll dedicate him to the Lord and God gave her the child Amen let us also be faithful prayer warriors

02:38:09

Those lessons are important no doubt, but it misses the great context of that story

02:38:14

The entire nation of Israel had become corrupt the priesthood was corrupt the judges were corrupt

02:38:22

They wouldn't police their own house The GOP of the era was corrupt the national lobbying organizations of the era corrupt and This woman was not just a little woman she was oppressed she was downtrodden because she was one of two wives and the other wives had all the other wife had all the children and she was making fun and mocking kicking her down constantly poor

02:38:46

Hannah and so Hannah looked at the society around her and She walked up and she prayed at the temple at the tabernacle of God and said if you will give me a son

02:38:57

I Will dedicate him to the work of the Lord in this nation And God gives her the son

02:39:04

Samuel and we always stop the story there because that's the

02:39:10

Mother's Day sermon But it goes on Goes on She brings the child up to the tabernacle and she drops him off.

02:39:20

She brings a sacrifice with her She gets all the priests to come out and get involved in the sacrifice And they take the child and they bring out

02:39:27

Eli the high priest so now she's got the entire evangelical establishment in front of her and She hands off the child and said

02:39:35

I'm fulfilling my vow But I want you to know something and We always stop there too because there's a chapter break and of course you never read past a chapter break for a sermon

02:39:46

But chapter two continues the story. It's a consecutive story She hands the child off and then she prays a prayer the famous prayer of Hannah.

02:39:55

And what does she say in that prayer? She says God is

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God Almighty He is the Lord of everything you guys

02:40:09

You corrupt priesthood Don't speak arrogantly with your mouths Shut your mouths because God is the one

02:40:18

Who brings you down to the dust if he wants to God is the one that raises you up from the dead if he wants

02:40:23

To God exalts people God brings them down God is in full control and God will take from among the poor and set them among princes and God will take his adversaries from among the proud and the wealthy and he will level them to the dust and She's standing there amidst that corrupt leadership of that corrupt nation handing off the promised child

02:40:48

Samuel and she's calling down curses upon those men if they don't straighten up their act poor little

02:40:53

Hannah is sitting there prophesying to the nation all by herself You don't clean up your act.

02:41:01

God's gonna bring judgment and Just to reinforce and to remind those priests what she did

02:41:08

The text says she came up every year year after year and she made a new coat for Samuel Oh, that sounds nice doesn't a sweater another hallmark sermon?

02:41:18

no, the Hebrew word says a tunic a long sleeved robe that was worn only by people in authority and She came up every year and she brought a new robe of authority to that three -year -old boy

02:41:32

And to that four -year -old boy and that five -year every year reminding those priests of what she had said of what the expectations of God's Standards were all by her little

02:41:43

Hannah lonesome self prophesying to the nation and as we know the story that priesthood was judged and Kicked out and little

02:41:54

Samuel grew up to be a great national leader. He led a national revival and Everything was good for a while, but then the nation apostatized again.

02:42:04

Why? They started looking around them. They began seeing these enemies with strong armies and big giants and They begin measuring their social agenda by their circumstances once again

02:42:18

And they came to Samuel and said we want a king like those nations. We're tired of this being faithful to the

02:42:26

Lord stuff Give us a great national army. Give us national greatness. Give us a national right to light

02:42:32

Wait a minute to say that give us national national national national. Give us a strong centralized government and a great army and Samuel shakes his head and God says give it to him.

02:42:45

They're not rejecting you. They're rejecting me and As you know, the story goes on they get

02:42:50

King Saul who is an absolute disaster a tyranny and He's so bad that by chapter 15 of 1st

02:42:58

Samuel. He's completely disobeying direct commandments from God and It's so bad that Samuel has to go to him and prophesy and say look

02:43:06

Saul You defied God and now he's defying you. You're no longer fit to be king of Israel Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft

02:43:22

But Samuel has a dark moment too because now he looks around him and says man We've really made a mess of ourselves now.

02:43:29

We've got this bad King and now he's awful and God's rejected him Now, what are we gonna do? Samuel himself the most godly man just about in the entire

02:43:36

Old Testament goes home and sits down and hangs his head between his legs

02:43:43

He's depressed and God himself has to come to Samuel and say

02:43:48

Samuel What are you doing? Don't sit there and grieve over Saul.

02:43:54

I'm the one that pronounced his rejection He says fill your horn and with oil and go to the house of Jesse the

02:44:02

Bethlehemite Because I have picked myself a king from among his sons and you know what

02:44:09

Samuel says Thank the Lord. I finally got direction. All right, let's go

02:44:15

No even Samuel godly Samuel says

02:44:20

God I can't do that. How can I go do that and anoint another king with Saul here?

02:44:27

He's going to kill me How can I write a statute like that that calls abortion murder?

02:44:35

The Supreme Court's just gonna strike it down How can

02:44:40

I do that Lord and the Lord speaks back to Samuel and he says Take a sacrifice

02:44:48

Go down to Jesse's house and say I'm here to offer a sacrifice Now to you may that mission may seem like part of the story but what

02:44:55

God is saying is Samuel who are you? Do you not remember your calling?

02:45:02

Do you not remember the reason I put you in the position you're in you are the priest of this nation

02:45:07

Why don't you go do what you've been called to do take a sacrifice go do the office of a priest at Jesse's house?

02:45:17

In other words God saying if you will just be faithful to me Radically faithful in the things that I've called you to do.

02:45:26

I Will show you what will come next and that's exactly what Samuel does. He goes down to Jesse's house

02:45:33

And he does the sacrifice and he knows he's going to anoint a king and he's looking among Jesse's sons and they go by one

02:45:40

By one all seven of them and God says that's not the right one. It's not that one It's not that one and Saul Samuel sank and look at this guy.

02:45:46

Surely it's him no, that's not him keep going and he gets to the last one and they're gone and Samuel says are you sure this is it and Jesse says well

02:45:59

Well, there is this guy out there on the hillside. He's the runt of the pack And he's with the sheep.

02:46:04

You probably don't want to talk to him now because he stinks He's been working with the animals all day. Plus he's kind of spacey

02:46:10

He sits out there writing poetry all day and meditating on the stars Kind of a he's just kind of the oddball of the group

02:46:20

Bring him here and when little David is brought into the room dirty little

02:46:26

David God says that's him So we've gone from little

02:46:33

Hannah tiny little Hannah the tiny little Samuel and now it's little

02:46:39

David and We know what David accomplishes David comes on to the scene as an anointed king

02:46:46

But nobody recognizes him and the next thing they find that there's a great battle on the horizon The Philistines are attacking and there's a massive giant standing out there named

02:46:55

Goliath And he stands out there for 40 days Think 40 years of Roe v.

02:47:02

Wade taunting God's people saying you can't bring me down.

02:47:08

You ain't got a guy and your host that can bring me down Remember they had they had welcomed

02:47:14

Saul because he was a head taller than the rest of them. He was a big strong guy He was their macho man gonna lead him in the battle.

02:47:20

Where was he now? You got a nine foot tall guy out there. Saul's not such a big deal, is he? It's always nowhere to be found and it says the people were trembling with fear and David walks right into there and he says hey

02:47:33

What's going on? And they told him what's going on? And he says He looks around he's got to be thinking to himself.

02:47:41

What's wrong with you people? Do not fear

02:47:50

Don't fear the battle is the Lord's, you know where he got that idea straight out of the laws of warfare written in Deuteronomy 20

02:47:58

When you see the nation's come up on your borders and they array their horses and chariots and all of their power

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The law says do not be afraid The priest shall come out before the people assembled to become an army and he shall say to them do not be afraid of them

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For the battle is your Lord's it is he that will go before you to fight your battles. What was David doing?

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David was reminding the people of God of their Sunday school lessons You guys are standing here looking at the circumstances around you

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Judging your odds of winning this battle by the size of the guy who's in front of you and you're doing exactly what

02:48:37

God told You not to do instead of following the law to the letter. Don't be afraid God's gonna fight for you and he calls the entire people back to faithfulness radical faithfulness to the promises and commandments of God and so David goes out there and whoops

02:48:55

Goliath Showing he's basically the only faithful person remaining in the nation of Israel We need to remind ourselves when we get in the situation of Hannah of Samuel of David of virtually every story of major Success in the

02:49:15

Bible. It is that small things with God are big and the big things are small and This is a lesson that's repeated throughout the

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New Testament Go to the book of Acts I would challenge all of you and all you people listening sit down and read the book the book of Acts not with your pious church mind, but with a political activist mindset and See how often the government gets involved see how often the religious argument or organizations get involved in order to shut down What God's people are doing?

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Peter walks up to the lame man at gate beautiful heals him It causes a stir among the people everybody's going crazy for the gospel everybody wants to know who this

02:49:56

Jesus guy is tell me more and then the Sadducees show up and they show up not by themselves. They bring the cops the temple police and They haul

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Peter and John away, but they question them and they say well, we can't find anything wrong with this guys

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And so they threaten them Don't you speak in the name of Jesus again get out of here?

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You know what Peter and John do? They go right back out there and they start preaching in the name of Jesus this time they're arrested and Thrown in prison the angel lets them out of prison

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They go right back to the right in the square of the temple And they start preaching in the name of Jesus right there

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So that they so that the Supreme Court sees were exactly what they're doing and hears it You want to talk about interposition that's interposition and they stand there and they preach and they preach and they're arrested again and they're brought in and this time they're whipped and beaten and They're sent off The next story you see along in there is the ordaining of deacons and out of that comes a man named

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Stephen We all know Stephen's wonderful story. He was a martyr Wonderful faithful man of God.

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We don't realize that he was an immigrant. He was not considered

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Mainstream in Jerusalem. He was a Greek speaker He would have been informally considered a second -class

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Jew But God gave him a special ordination and he took that He took that power of the

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Spirit and he went right into his own turf in the Greek speaking Synagogues and he began to preach Jesus and he began to refute all the arguments that were against him little

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Stephen all by himself and the people in that synagogue didn't like that and they went to all the other

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Greek speaking synagogues read the text the Libertines the Cilicians the Cyrenians a whole host of characters from across the

02:51:56

Mediterranean world Called them all in there and he still refuted them all you know what they did

02:52:02

They hauled him off to Jerusalem and put him on trial This man's blaspheming.

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We want to use the government to shut him down and they make all these charges against little

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Stephen and little Stephen stands up and he answers all of those charges by quoting the

02:52:21

Bible and biblical history and He gets the end of his his long set of charges and the

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Establishment does not have any idea what they've set themselves up for All the

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Greek speaking synagogues all the hotshots had gotten together all of them drew him down to Jerusalem They brought in the entire

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Sanhedrin. They had all the Pharisees all the Sadducees They had this court packed with probably 200 or more judges of every prominent leader from across the

02:52:48

Jewish world at the time Standing there to condemn Stephen and he stands up and says the jokes on you fellas

02:52:59

And when he finishes answering the charges he gets to the bottom of it and he says you

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Stiff -necked and rebellious people. Why do you always resist the Holy Spirit and they stoned him to death?

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They flew into such a rage They drug him out right on the spot and stoned him to death and Jesus received him into his presence

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The question that every one of these lessons has asked of the rulers of their day is

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The question that we tiny group of tiny Christians ask of the rulers of our day ask of ourselves

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Are we going to calculate our strategies based on the circumstances around us?

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based on the odds That a Supreme Court might strike us down based on the fact that they may pull funding

02:54:01

Based on the fact that they're going to ridicule you in the press not just the left, but the right to Based on the fact that you're going to find yourself

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Standing like little Hannah alone standing like little Samuel alone standing like David alone

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Standing like two fishermen among the entire Sanhedrin standing like Stephen alone

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Are we going to measure? Ourselves by our circumstances and cower before those things or are we going to say?

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Jesus Christ is the king of kings and Lord of lords and I will be faithful to him no matter what and will we look at our rulers and say

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Why do you resist the Holy Spirit? Will we look at our Christian colleagues among?

02:54:56

rulers among legislators my activists and say why do you resist the Holy Spirit and will we remember that basic lesson that with God those small things are big and the big things are small and Remember that as we stand up and proclaim the truth no matter what comes

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No matter what comes Will we remember that? Because I can promise you when you stand up like that and the big things come against you

02:55:28

God does not need the Supreme Court He doesn't need the presidency

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He doesn't need any national body God does not need any national activists or lobbyist organizations

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God does not need any big thing To affect change and to those people that sat in that room and asked me

02:55:50

What can a small group of small people do I can say? You can call down judgment on this nation you can change this world

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You can have a difference because Because it's not something God does once in a while When God does something in his history it is always through the little

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Hannah's it is always through the small people who are willing to sacrifice themselves whether the nation comes to a national revival like with Samuel or You get stoned to death like Stephen Both of those are a victory for God's people

02:56:29

Because you stood for the truth at the end of the day are we gonna judge by our circumstances or are we gonna be faithful God doesn't need might and power.

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He doesn't need big big grand things God needs little people to be faithful and Not resist the

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Holy Spirit's call Thank you. I can tell you that I'm Seriously glad and excited that this material has been taped so that we can have discussions and dialogue about it well after this event is done and live and that's the whole purpose so that we can start a

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Conversation with boldness as the scripture leads us and as the Holy Spirit gives us that courage to use the examples that are

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That are well throughout scripture and thank you for that stirring message Our last speaker tonight is

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Rusty Thomas national director of Operation Rescue Operation Save America Reverend Thomas has a twofold strategy to continue the

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Ministry of Operation Rescue and Operation Save America And they are the states of refuge campaign and the operation.

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Let my people go campaign Reverend Rusty Thomas I come with a prop my cowboy hat

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Because pastor Jeff invited me here tonight to summarize this meeting but my duty is to put on my cowboy hat and I'm the stare at you for five minutes

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Without saying a word and Then when I speak again go and Sin no more

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But since we don't have that much time, I'll take off my hat and get into the message. Amen Has this been illuminating this evening

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I Sure, hope so How many you've seen the movie woodlawn?

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How many seen that movie woodlawn? Summit did you enjoy it? Yeah, I did too.

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I just I saw it three times And it was the third time

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I got the revelation Because what was happening in the movie of woodlawn?

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was God was moving in the affairs of men when it came to racial hatred and violence and the love of God Invaded that kind of violent racial atmosphere and he started touching hearts and and changing minds

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It's a really powerful film now. What was interesting about the film that I picked up the third time

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I didn't pick it up the first two times But the last time they kept asking why is this happening?

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Why are you doing? What you are doing? What accounts for this and they always gave a time frame reference

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It's time It's just time and I believe at this moment in God's providential history

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It's time It's time to have this conversation It's time that we have this dialogue it is time that there is a paradigm shift that ends child sacrifice and the shedding of innocent blood

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It's time for a change Amen America has been staggering under the weight of blood guiltiness for 43 years and indeed

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God makes everything beautiful in his time now before I Continue, I would be remissed

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Not to give honor where honor is due. I Want to thank

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Russell Hunter Toby Harmon and the

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AHA brethren for their stellar work in Oklahoma They were the ones that introduced

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SB 1118 to the Oklahoma Senate And because of that work we are here tonight and the

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Bible tells us some sows Some water, but it's

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God who gives the increase and that should be our prayer tonight brothers and sisters

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That we are praying for the advancement of the kingdom of God To set us free from this culture of death.

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That's literally savaging our nation Now while we were in Oklahoma we had what

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I consider a divine appointment You may have saw some videos how many saw the interview with pastor

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Jeff and Tony? Longer from the the vice president of the

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National Right to Life We need to put this in perspective Because while we were in Oklahoma lobbying for this bill

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To treat abortion for what it truly is murder and to be criminalized accordingly

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Tony Longer had a letter and He was there to convince the senators not to vote for this bill

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And so we met him in the hallway, and we had a frank Conversation and if you haven't seen those videos

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I really would encourage you to see those videos because I believe it was a moment in time captured prophetically that reveals

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Why we have endured 43 years of an

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American Holocaust Now he's a kind man.

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He's a nice man But as you watch this video you will realize

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The failed policies of God's people when it's responding to this scourge that is upon our nation and Right after that Jeff had the interview with him

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It was an amazing thing because we spent about an hour him really honestly showing respect showing kindness

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But literally pummeling him with the truth and every time we did that literally his head would be bowed

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He really had no answer To the things that we were saying to them and every time we challenged him he failed

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He just went back to this failed Ideological template and Jeff didn't know we had this encounter

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And so right after we have this encounter Jeff calls him up to have the interview and what's amazing about that after this hour -long challenge

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Jeff asks him similar questions and nothing changes

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Nothing It's like we never had that encounter at the state capitol

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He just went back to the failed default template of the pro -life industry in the

03:04:56

United States of America and When you watch these films, this is what is very evident and He represents a lot of thinking and belief systems within the pro -life movement

03:05:12

He prefers a scientific Medicinal Approach to Eventually ending the slaughter of innocent children made in the image of God instead of a biblical and a consistent

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Christian approach to ending the slaughter it was clear that he

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Preferred the wisdom of men Rather than unsheathing the sword of the spirit and standing foursquare upon God's truth

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It was clear that he preferred the Pragmatic what works in the real world?

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Rather than what is right? According to principled leadership

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When you watch these films it is clear he prefers the sinking sand made man or man -made policies

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Than the solid rock of God's Word now pastor Jeff has already quoted from Matthew chapter 7

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The wise man the foolish man What do they have in common see they all hear the words of God?

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But one man actually applies them in the real world and the other

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Doesn't and listen according to this teaching by Jesus Christ none of us

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Escapes the challenges of living in this world the storms come to all

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The rain comes to all it beats on us all But when the smoke clears

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One is standing and the other has fallen and great Is the fall now sometimes we pack we practice theological

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I call a theological Reductionism we just kind of make that personal like I'm a personal guy and I heard the words of Jesus So what

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I'm gonna do is I'm gonna be wise and I'm gonna apply that to my personal life Well this this teaching by Jesus this is not just personal it's exhaustive it's

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Comprehensive and it impacts every area of human life

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Whatever, I don't care if it's my personal life my family life government education journalism science

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Biology, whatever is not built on the foundation of God's Word It is sinking sand and I don't care how much money you throw at it

03:08:07

I don't care how many government programs you institute how many police officers you have you are doomed for failure

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You see in these videos

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Literally the difference of what Jesus talked about between the old wineskin and the new wineskin

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How many know the old wineskin Cannot handle the new wine See the old wineskin can't handle the paradigm shift.

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They can't handle the change that is necessary and It's very evident in that video.

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There is a changing of the guard the old guard the old wineskin is becoming obsolete and it's passing away and A new guard is emerging and this new guard get this they're not ashamed of the

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Gospel of Jesus Christ and the truth of his word brothers and sisters

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We can no longer deny our

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Lord Compromise his truth and ignore his commandments and expect

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We're going to get his aid and help to end this Holocaust And if there's one thing

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I want to say here tonight, we must understand we cannot defeat child sacrifice and the shedding of innocent blood if we are going to continue to fight and argue against abortion based on the premises of those who advocate baby murder

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He who defines wins He who defines wins

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Who's been defining this thing if our starting point is off.

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Can we reach our destination? There are five

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Premises I Want to introduce tonight and this is my prayer that from this point on After these five premises are introduced that it changes the standard of What it means?

03:10:57

to be pro -life How many know previously to be pro -life? There's a lot of wiggle room a lot of wiggle room exceptions here exceptions there and by the way, it's the exceptions

03:11:14

Like rape like incest like the life of the mother what liberals and Progressives do they always take the worst -case scenario?

03:11:26

Possible to pull on our heartstrings to make what previously was unspeakable mainstream and it's through the

03:11:37

Exceptions the Mack truck of abortion on demand has run this nation to the ground he who defines wins

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How many has been getting that message tonight? You ready for the five premises

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To my fellow churchmen to legislators Get ready

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Here's the paradigm shift Here is the necessary change to abolish abortion immediately like repent of killing babies and shedding their innocent blood

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Number one you've heard it here tonight. And you know, my part is consider me like the second witness of What happened how many know out of the mouth of two or three witnesses?

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Let it be established Well, I'm gonna be the second witness of what has gone on here this evening

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Number one to be pro -life now Everybody say now To be pro -life now you must understand this truth

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Courts cannot make law That's the first Premise that has to be established.

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That is a foundation that must be laid now courts can issue rulings they can issue

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Opinions, but they cannot make law that is reserved for the legislative branch of our government

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Anybody here of we the people did anybody vote for this atrocity?

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Anybody here vote To murder babies and shed innocent blood anybody here vote for that any of our representatives vote for this

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Courts cannot make law but Roe vs. Wade did establish a covenant with death and That covenant needs to be broken in the mighty name of Jesus.

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Amen number two Ready number one courts cannot make law number two

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Because courts cannot make law Roe vs. Wade and other decisions like Obergefell where they're trying to redefine marriage legal fiction

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Everybody say legal fiction It's legal fiction

03:14:20

But you tell a lie often enough how many know for many people it becomes truth It's legal fiction and it's fictional on two major counts as Previously stated it's not

03:14:38

Constitutional the Constitution actually says no person Shall be deprived of life without due process of law my goodness in our own national covenant the declaration of Independence, what is the most first and most fundamental right that we have as Americans?

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Anybody remember that? What's it called? right to life

03:15:10

Now need I remind us that we fought a great civil war over violating our national covenant for right to liberty against our black brothers and sisters that cost us 630 ,000 men to atone for that crime against humanity

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We have murdered 60 million children made in the image of God and shed their blood while violating our own

03:15:39

National covenant you tell me what's stored up for our future Tell me any thinking

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Biblically minded American who knows our founding documents who knows the scriptures who knows the

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God of Scripture who doesn't change You tell me what we have stored up in the

03:16:04

United States of America We don't escape this brothers and sisters.

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We will be held accountable for every single drop of innocent blood that has been shed in this nation

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That I guarantee by the authority of Almighty God in his word we're in trouble

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Make no mistake about it. We are in deep deep trouble and Our main enemy is not

03:16:40

Obama. It's not the Democratic Party. It's not the communists. It's not

03:16:45

Islam It's not even the abortion industry and the homosexual agenda, you know what our main problem is with the

03:16:57

God of this book And when he becomes your enemy

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You got a mighty big enemy my friend and all the homeland security in the world can't protect you from him number three to be pro -life

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From now on You must believe and confess Abortion is murder

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Can we say that? Abortion is murder. Now, how do we know that?

03:17:38

Because the God of this book said thou shall not murder It's a direct violation of God's commandment.

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Amen Now here's the deal The pro -life industry has been very squeamish about associating abortion with murder

03:18:01

So the pro -life has a lot of victims when it comes to abortion

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The only problem is God only recognizes one victim and That is the person being murdered

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Amen So we call it what it is.

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Amen, and here's the deal if We cannot correctly define this practice

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How do we expect? To defeat it You know, this is this is one of the problems politically right in our foreign policy

03:18:45

You know, we don't want to call things what they are Like war on terror.

03:18:53

Well, that's general Well, what terror are we talking about? See we don't want to define it

03:18:59

And if you don't define it, how in the world can you defeat it? He who defines wins now biblically

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There is a two -fold purpose for civil government number one

03:19:22

There's two reasons why God created and established civil government First of all, he doesn't want to see mankind

03:19:32

Resort back to the brutality and the violence and evil that preceded the flood and so God raised up civil government to restrain evil and in the

03:19:47

New Testament We know that he established civil government and called them to be his minister his servant to do two things

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To punish the evildoer and to protect the good citizens of the land

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Now Here's the catch When God says punish the evil and protect the good

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He actually has the authority by virtue of his commandments to define for his creation

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What is good and what is evil and if we don't get that, right?

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How many know the Bible warns? society and the government can come to a place where good becomes evil and Evil becomes good and once that evil is codified into law you my friend are going to be subject to tyranny and oppression

03:20:43

How many know our chains are already? being forged

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How many know our government is? celebrating demanding upholding protecting things that God calls abominations

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Do you know that so they must of necessity punish the righteous secondly

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God established civil government to protect life and stop the shedding of innocent blood

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You will find that in Genesis 9 6 when Noah Vacated the ark

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God came to him and he said this if man sheds blood

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Criminal by man Civil government his blood shall be shed

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Why because man is made in the image of God and I am speaking to my church brethren

03:21:48

Brothers and sisters. This is not the church's first rodeo It has been the

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Church of Jesus Christ throughout history that has taken on atrocity after atrocity

03:22:00

We have taken on human sacrifice We have taken on slavery We had take on so many ancient evils and through the love and the truth of Jesus Christ We have conquered and set nations free

03:22:13

Now somehow in the modern -day America We have forgotten who we are and whom we serve and what

03:22:21

Christianity is all about But that is who we are.

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This is what we do rally the lesser magistrate

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To defend the pre -born That's our fourth premise Rally the lesser magistrate to defend the pre -born what what is the symbol over the lady with the two scales what it was she got over her eyes a

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Blindfold what does that mean? impartial Right.

03:23:19

They call it blind justice Amen impartial. Here's the thing brothers and sisters

03:23:26

Pastor Jeff brought out a scripture in Exodus that shows That the same

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God who wants justice for the born requires justice for the pre -born

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In Exodus the scripture he talked about is a situation Where two men are fighting and as prone to do sometimes women get involved you can talk to police about domestic violence cases

03:23:57

That woman will jump in there Even when she's been beaten up by her own husband and try to protect her husband from the police officer now the scripture says if that woman is carrying a child if No mischief follows in other words nothing happens to the woman nothing happens to the child in the womb the husband could still plead his case before the judge and if the judge thinks there's something legitimate and warrants a penalty he can bring that forth, but God's Word says if mischief does follow and Harm comes to that woman and that baby in the womb

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It's an eye for an eye It's a tooth for a tooth now in Legal principle, this is what is known as Lex teleonis the law of retaliation in other words in the science of criminology

03:24:59

The Punishment should fit the crime Nothing more nothing less

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In fact in it. This is what happens when it becomes less In in Ecclesiastes it says this

03:25:17

Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily

03:25:23

Tell me if this is not what you see in America Therefore the hearts of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil

03:25:34

Literally the Lex teleonis. This is like God's golden rule do unto others as you would do unto them

03:25:43

This is God's gold golden rule applied in the area of justice and This is what we want to see happen brothers and sisters

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We want to see our fifth principle take place Establish justice by abolishing abortion immediately

03:26:07

Amen there we had this bill in Oklahoma this SB 1118.

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I would encourage you all to look up this bill to study it It's the it's it's a historic bill.

03:26:22

It's the first bill That treats abortion for what it is murder and it calls for its criminalization

03:26:32

Now people may think that's radical That that we may you know, we somehow losing our minds over this thing

03:26:40

Brothers and sisters all we're simply demanding is equal justice under the law

03:26:48

The same God who wants justice for the born is the same God that wants justice for the pre -born.

03:26:54

He doesn't make any distinction there and we talk about Justice for this and justice for that.

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Can I just tell you something and This is the reality we're facing

03:27:11

You know Abraham Lincoln, which? Controversial figure depend about who you're talking to he said this when it came to slavery

03:27:22

He says if we don't grant freedom to others Do we deserve it ourselves?

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he said God did not send anybody into this earth that is stamped with his image to be stomped on We've been stomping pretty good we've been stomping

03:27:57

Taking precious children made in the image of God and reducing them to the status of garbage by the way children that God calls gifts

03:28:11

Blessings rewards How many know we're not in agreement with God on this issue

03:28:17

We are not so here's how it's gonna work brothers and sisters and you can mark this down If there's no justice for the pre -born is

03:28:28

There justice for us if there's no life for the pre -born

03:28:37

What do we deserve? see when

03:28:43

I call the church to repent and to bring forth fruits meat for repentance by ending our

03:28:52

Silence in in action when it comes to this Holocaust. I tell them over and over again

03:28:59

You are not just fighting for the pre -born You are fighting for your children

03:29:06

You are fighting for your grandchildren. You are fighting to secure a future and a hope in a nation that is literally doing things that is begging for God's judgment to stop us and We must live our lives in such a way from here on out to give

03:29:29

God a reason to show mercy So my last exhortation is this

03:29:36

Church of the Living God Repent End the silence in the end action bring forth fruits meat for repentance and Abolish human abortion and Abortion now in Jesus name.

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God bless you. So thank you guys for Staying and being as attentive as you've been.

03:30:15

Thank Jason and Arizona right to life For joining together with us to put this to put this event on.

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Thank you guys for everybody that's participated by sharing This on your social media. You have groups happening right now churches meeting together abortion mill ministries bless you guys.

03:30:33

Thank you so very much for for participating I mean your Part in this is as important as the event this evening

03:30:40

One of the things that Jason I were talking about this week as is the event itself this in the room is is one thing but the gift that God has given to the church is the technology and the internet and the ability to take everything that happened here tonight and to put it on repeat and to send it out into the world and We believe that God is going to bless

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This work that goes on repeat as much as he blessed us tonight and everybody who's watched tonight So it's very very important very very important that if you've watched this this evening

03:31:14

And you have you're surrounded by people in this very moment that are with you in your living rooms and at your churches

03:31:19

Spend a few moments praying together After listening to this spend spend time together talking about what you can do because let me tell you what

03:31:30

I did not do in putting this together pastor Luke Marcus Pittman and everybody our crew that you cannot see that made all this possible

03:31:38

We did not do this so that you could get a motivational speech We did not do this so that you could feel inspired and so you could be excited to Hate something that is awful to talk about in coffee shops and your living rooms

03:31:57

We did this event in the hopes that God would put this awful injustice under his feet and The way that God does that in the world something that Joel talked about when

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God changes the world He does it through his gospel Through Christ and he does it through his church through his people the bride of Christ the bride of Christ is

03:32:22

Jesus Help meet as Jesus goes forth and brings his authority and dominion to the ends of the earth

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Through his gospel through his message of salvation. He uses his church. His bride is his help meet so it is the bride of Christ the body of Christ that actually accomplishes this with the king and There's a famous everybody that's everybody that's in this knows this this statement by Schaefer.

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It's it's famous And it's so good It kicked me in the teeth when I first heard it

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Schaefer said that over every abortion clinic in America is a sign

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That says open by permission of the church Let that sink in let that take root within you

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Because I believe that's absolutely true That Jesus calls us in the

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Sermon on the Mount his people to be salt Salt acts salt acted as for them as a preservative it preserved things from decay and spoil and rot salt and light and When we have over the last 40 years

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Not been salty and we have hit our light it has impacted this entire issue

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When we have not called it murder when we have not called for an immediate end to it now

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When we have gone along with their narrative We we have allowed innocent blood to continue to be shed in our in our nation

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And it is up to the church to to be faithful to Christ the King to recognize his authority in this issue to proclaim the gospel faithfully in the midst of it to stand on the truth and to offer the help of the church and We have to do it and it's gonna take repentance over our indifference

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It's gonna take repentance over our own personal sins in this area it's gonna have it's gonna have to be the church falling on her face and Seeking justice for the fatherless.

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I want to say one last thing Jason. I want to let you say something here. I know the argument

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Because when we started engaging in this in the way that we did we did get it we did get some responses from believers and They said well

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Courts just gonna strike it down That's the answer Yes, it's murder.

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Yes. It should be stopped today. Yes. These are image bearers of God. Yes, it's bloody. Yes It is grotesque.

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Yes, it's awful But if you abolish it if you criminalize it if you call it what God does if you do what

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God calls you to do A higher court is gonna strike it down. That's the answer. That's the consistent one.

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My answer to that is let them let them Let them be on the other side of this debate saying mothers and fathers must be allowed to kill their babies

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Let them take up that argument and we will stand for God and righteousness and justice and we will speak prophetically

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Against that we will preach the gospel in the midst of it and we will let God Have the victory and get the glory and I want to say

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Jesus told us When we came to follow him, he said and by the way people left him because he said this

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He said if anyone comes to me and does not hate and he starts naming all the things you love the most mother father sister

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Brother wife and he says and even his own life He says he's not worthy to be my disciple count the cost to follow

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Jesus. Here's the point you have to enter into this Issue this whole entire fight.

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You have to enter into it dying to self and If you've already died and been raised with Christ then you've already died they can't take anything from you and So enter into this fight for the sake of these babies for the sake of the lost

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I do not believe that God will ever bless this nation ever

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Well, we have innocent blood being shed in our streets and I do not believe that the church the

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Bride of Christ can expect blessing from our Savior in The midst of a culture that is shedding blood and we sit silent

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We must act and we must act now and we have to do it for the glory of God Yeah, and I'll say one thing as I was thinking through This week and allowing the

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Holy Spirit to speak to me a lot of my focus was on Esther chapter 4 Where obviously

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Mordecai? admonishes Esther to consider that for such a time as this

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That she had been placed in that position Where she knew that in order to reach the king she would have to break law

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And we're not even we're not even going that we're going the route of making sure that people know that there is a paradigm there

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In relationship to the magistrates who have been elected duly over us

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And I think that this type of information can begin a dialogue by which people who have their grounding and in their firm foundation in the worldview of Of what biblical

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Christianity lays out that we can start to really make inroads in terms how serious we are

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About counting the cost and moving forward Recognizing that for such a time as this in God's sovereign providence we have been moved here you have times and places

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You're gathered in living rooms this information as pastor Jeff said will again be

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Accessible for people well beyond this particular date where we can start to have a biblical conversation about what next?

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Can we do in such a time as this and to move forward from there in a fearlessness? That actually this culture is begging to see the culture is begging to see the fearlessness within the

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Christian community To stand on the principles that will Absolutely cost us and the culture is looking at where the priorities are in relationship to that cost

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And that cost is coming whether we are Driving the debate and whether we're driving and defining the terms or whether we remain sitting in silence where we're at That pressure will come the cost will come one way or the other

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And I love this information and I think that it's really going to be able to galvanize people behind what does the scripture say

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What are the stories that can give us courage? What are the ways that we can apply God's law over every area of life?

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Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for watching at home and let's let this conversation move forward

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Let's not have this be a motivational speech as pastor Jeff said let it be something where we tonight