Matt Slick Q&A - 10-25-17

Mormon Pre-Existence, Family Sealing, and the Meaning of Heaven

Part of I'm live. I'm trying to get this stuff ready for Facebook first. Okay I guess. Alive. What's that. My computer's acting awfully wiggy. Wow. Oh you don't have the thing you just did. Because in Mormonism you have a pre-existence.

What like this. So in Mormonism because Godfather and the godmother have been here and they make babies you're all kind of born up there and you come down to earth and you're in family. So Mormonism appeals to the family and you can be sealed to one another to children to relatives and various things marriages and things like that so that you can be joined and keep family relationships in heaven.

And it's sealing. If you're not sealed then you won't have anybody to really hang around with. But I don't really know the extent of what that is. Yeah they can visit. Yeah there's different levels but how much with a ceiling really accomplishes I don't know.

Because you're with each other. But are you forced to stay with each other. I don't know.

Somehow keep us all together as an eternal family or it's right. Well at the.

When we went to the temple last night they had a film of how H last day sort of nature and I bet with names and he said heaven would not be heaven if I my family Holland if you're home thank you without my wife and my children.

Right. So wouldn't be heaven. Yes it would be. Jesus is what makes it heaven. It just demonstrates to you that they don't understand how great heaven is how great the presence of the Lord Jesus is to them.

It's about family. Because it's a man-made religion. That's what they've got to offer. Yeah molten sea. It's that basin of water with the twelve oxen around. I think I don't know I can't remember for sure it's been a long time since I started.

I think it has to do with a ceremonial cleansing that might be representative of baptism some have said. But what I want to do is actually read up on this all this and go through and study the significance of each one.

I've just not done it for about 25 years for cleansing. But it wasn't because I don't think it was my immersion. I think was just a dipping it was a symbol. And with the 12 oxen symbolizing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Temple Symbolism, Sacrifice, and the Blood of Christ

So the priest. And you get a lot of stuff. You can. You know I don't know I'm not an expert on this. But the 12 oxen represented the 12 tribes. And why would you have a basin of water that the priest would go in that were represented by the 12 tribes.

Well 12 tribes ultimately represent the revelation of God. You know all the symbolism could get into it. Which is why I want to read a book by some experts. You know one or two books by experts who've studied this and say this is probably what it means etc.

The Jews blew it. They didn't recognize the significance of the temple. But the Christians of course do. And there are books. One of them is I actually have it as a small paper paperback. The tabernacle is one of them.

The temple is another. In fact I remember one of the things with a tabernacle that is instructed is that the pillars that uphold the tent are gold on the inside covered with wood on the outside. And why would you have that.

You know you think gold would be on the outside. No it's because divinity in humanity of Christ. That's why. Okay. Another question comment. I can't hear you.

If you would that'd be awesome just stop at the tape because they will say.

That the reason they don't need that is because the sacrifice of Christ was accomplished and so therefore they don't need to have any sacrifices blood sacrifices in the temple anymore. Okay. But the blood sacrifices were done away with when Jesus blood was shown in the cross and Matthew 27 51 the temple was veiled what was destroyed but yet they put him back.

Which is a contradiction. Because if the sacrifices are done away with that was where the sacrifice was done behind the blood was put. But they don't need that anymore. But they put it back. So they're very inconsistent and how they they see that.

And so they'll just say but we have now is the ordinances for our salvation. Which is you heard the quotes this the ordinances for salvation exaltation become God's. And none of that was in the temple.

None of it ever. It's ridiculous. So anyway other comments questions. No I have to get on there. Yeah I should have been talking during the break I should have got this going. So let me get to YouTube.

The Great Apostasy and the Mormon Claim of Corruption

The what apostasy following away. Oh according to Genesis 3 1 through 6 doubting the Word of God altering the Word of God contradicting the Word of God. That's just what's in those verses. And then subjecting everything to your feelings all.

Right. So I'm going on YouTube here and there we go. So do you think the devil knows that some Christians recognize the occult influence within Mormonism. Yes since I just said so and that's where. Yep probably Joe.

And he does not like them. Right. My Mormons. I don't like. Okay that's not saying that I don't like Mormons. No Mormons are fine. Mormonism is the problem. So this is I just logged in so I haven't seen all the text.

If everybody has the comments or questions it'll catch up. Okay I couldn't get Facebook and I can't log in. Now I gotta do all this stuff to set it up. And I just didn't do it right now. Okay yeah a lot of the Mormons used to think that the Aztecs and the Incas from the Central and South America were actually the Nephites Lamanites or descendants of them or break-offs from them.

And then there's this rumor of someone called cuts quite a quaddle inverted quetzalcoatl and blonde-haired guy. They say see that was Jesus. And no it's not so what it's Cortez. He was blonde-haired boys.

Some people said that I don't know. It's like yeah that's true. So that's the rumor. And so some of the Mormons would say see look these wrote these out that reminds me actually of something the archaeological finds of them Aztecs and the Incas verified Mormon Mormonism.

That reminds me back in college I had a professor art professor that I got to know and went over his house one time and he liked archaeology from South America and he's a Mormon. And he said oh see this right here that proves more the Book of Mormon is true and he's pointing to various devices various things.

I'm like I didn't want to argue with him. I just said no it doesn't. But you know this it does whatever is you know. So I just went on because there are times you fight something you when you don't you're just so tired of it.

You know he just believed it. No it doesn't do your homework. So they looked for it but genetically speaking it doesn't work. Now when I was on it I went to see that the the pyramids in Mexico last year and we had a two-hour bus ride to get there and the tour guide talked about Mormons.

He brought it up the Mormons who say the Book of Mormon Aztecs Incas and he was actually descended of one of them and he talked about a blue spot on his back and the Jews don't have that and he just nailed it and he said no there's no possible way that that's the case with them and he knew and genetics don't support Mormonism either.

So now the Mormons are kind of backpedaling about a lot of stuff and say well we haven't discovered the cities yet except that the Book of Mormon says the cities were you know just huge and all over the place.

Yet when we found Incas and Aztecs artifacts and cities buildings well those aren't the ones but they found out the genetics and the evidence doesn't support the Book of Mormon. So there's different theories and Bill McKee, a friend of mine, he knows that the various theories.

Yet there's names for the theories and he can go into that. I don't know them. Oh yeah. It's a joke. Mormonism is such a false religion. Oh yeah Ted horses were here back 400 BC but they weren't. They're brought over by the conquistadors.

And then there was silk and steel. The Book of Mormon says was here way before they were ever introduced huh. Chariots with horiots with horses and some creature cumin or something. I can't remember what it's.

Kumalin. Kumalin. I can't remember kumalin skubalon. That's the Greek word for feces. And thank you very much. One Greek word he knows. Joe's I'll get to that question Joe in a minute he's got a question.

What. Sure. Okay. Yeah I know one of those guys names Ken. Yeah he's big. Yeah. Yeah. The church and the Jews always taught that the Nephilim of Genesis chapter 6 with a half breeds between fallen angels and women.

And that's what they taught. That's what I believe. And that's what it is. And so the flood was there to prevent them from taking over and destroying the Messianic line. And that's why it says in Genesis 6 9 that a that Noah was pure in all his descendants or his ancestry all his generations.

And then if you go to Daniel 2 verse 43 it gives some information about the Nebuchadnezzar statue and it represents different epochs of time. And then down towards the feet it's about the rebuilt some say the rebuilt Roman Empire and there's a debate on this whatever.

But in Daniel 2 43 it says they will mingle their seed with the seeds of men the sons of men that they can't be people. But where the Hebrew construction is. So it looks like something like that was going on.

And some people think that when the flood came and destroyed the half breeds that they were disembodied and they're the demons says there seem to be fallen angels and demons. And so some demonologists think that there's a differentiation between them and that the half breeds were released from their bodies and they seek to inhabit human bodies which is why demons try and inhabit people.

This just is all theory you know. So that's that's where it is. Okay let me see why do you think the devil has placed in plain sight the occult references within Mormonism. I think it's partly because of mockery and hatred a way of mocking blatantly publicly God himself and putting his stamp upon his false works.

I know a Lutheran who after his baptism has a little sign that says God accept this little lamb. Why do Lutherans think God will wash away their sin through infant baptism. Because they don't understand what the Word of God really says and are too close to Roman Catholicism.

That's why CJ Miller a little off-topic. But did that Native Americans receive the gospel somehow before Europeans showed up. If not then do they not get the opportunity of salvation. That's an interesting topic.

God has his way of being able to communicate the gospel to different people and this has been documented in various books various cultures eternity in their hearts is one of them. Bruchco is another where different cultures different tribes that are not in association with a Western civilization the which is influenced by Christianity have various gospel messages woven into their culture and their ancestry.

One group the Modoloni tribe I think was in Columbia had a prophecy that there would be a young man with white hair coming to them. This blonde-haired kid Bruce Olson came to them and he would have the words of God written on banana leaves because they were out in the jungle.

That's all they knew. So he came with a Bible and he gave them the Word of God. They received the Word of God they became Christians. So there's things like that another culture someplace has something equivalent to what's called the cities of refuge.

So they're out of the Old Testament and I forgot I read about it. I can't remember too many details about it. But in the jungles the warring tribes if one was pursuing another whichever tribe person got into this little area like 15 feet by 15 feet stone little thing like six inches high eight inches high foot high around it as long as they were in there the enemy couldn't hurt him.

But I mean they're just two feet away. But three feet away they have their arrows and their sparrows. I just kill him but he wouldn't do it because he's in that little area of sanctuary where they get this you know.

So there's a lot of conjecture that there's a lot of truth. They're handled it handed down from people who spread all over the world and so God has his way of communicating that way. Plus in Middle East in the Middle East there are thousands and thousands and thousands of reports of Muslims having dreams and visions of Jesus.

And I encountered a guy in Jerusalem who said that Jesus appeared to him when he was 17. Now did he or did he not. I don't know but he told me to my face just outside of Jerusalem temple he said that when he looked into the eyes of Jesus he said this is who appeared to him he said that's what I knew he was God.

What do you do with that. You know. So these things happen. So the gospel can be made known the way God wants to be known different areas. But we need to preach that word of God. Yes.

And they claim lineage from the house of Jacob. And then 21 this is the one that they really focus on and saviors shall come up on Mount Zion. And when it says Mount Zion they say you know Mount of the Lord the high place of the Lord any sort of mountain where the prophets would you know when Moses went up on the mountain that was a high place of the Lord.

They say Mount Zion Zion the new Jerusalem which is built in the Americas. That's.

Right. Well as is always the case. What you do is you read something in context and just like the two tablets and the scrolls that they refer to the book of Joseph when you read on you find out that the prophecy was answered there.

I haven't heard this about Obadiah but I would rest assured that if you read on it'll be answered in the context Obadiah. So. But on Mount Zion there will be those who escape and I'll be holy in the house of Jacob will possess their possessions.

Well no Zion is in Israel. But they're gonna say that it's in I think it Missouri that were to say it is. They'll say yeah. In the house of yes. So they redefine what that is. He said verse 21 that delivers will ascend Mount Zion to judge the mountain of Esau.

Yeah. You're just allegorizing everything in order to justify because it's natural Mount judge the mountain of Esau. I saw an actual place. So they're just allegorizing it or to make it justify their stuff.

That's all that's going on the gospel. I have to check that is possible. I have to check that to see if there might be an allusion to that later on. Could be you have to do some studies on Esau. Could be.

Yeah. Which is stupid. I see why. So I'm looking I'm looking at Obadiah 19. It says that those of the negative will possess the mountain of Esau and those in the Sheffalah the Philistine Plain also possess a territory of Ephraim and the territory of Samaria and Benjamin will possess Gilead.

And the exile though is talking about specific geographical areas. Of course it cannot be allegorized. I wouldn't say. So next question. Let's see. Yeah Eden was on the American continent located with it.

Yeah. I went to where Eden was in Missouri. To the word what Mormon said it was yeah. Oh yeah. I've been there. Yeah. I thought oh where's the Euphrates River. Yeah. So where was that. I didn't see it.

And and then we're walking through there. And there happened to be a rock that was flat. That was kind of like a slight angle. And I thought I walked up to it. I went probably gonna say that's an altar.

And then Bill goes that's what they say that an altar. Blah blah. Was it's ridiculous. What's that preachers rock. That's right. So I was right there. We stood on it we stood on it. Yeah it's called it's been a while but yeah I called that it's just a rock about three or four of these tables put together kind of you know size.

Oh I don't know. It's it the way it was located. The people could gather around it. A person could stand up there because the ground underneath it was a little bit low. And an angled out. It'd be perfect to have a an impromptu kind of a sermon.

You could have a actually have a way you could walk around on a little bit. It was kind of cool. I guess what.

They call it preachers rock and it's so stupid.

Sorry I shouldn't say that just like that but it is okay. Shoot. We didn't realize it when I heard the first quote from him. Very first quote I heard back in 1980 a friend of mine was in a Bible study and he goes hey man listen to this and in all these affidavits and all these indictments that is all the devil all corruption you fall swears all hail boil over your burning mountains or down your lava.

For I will come out on top at last I have more to boast than ever any man had. I've done more to keep a church together since the days of Adam either John Paul Peter nor Jesus has ever done such a work as I.

Anyone like this. And it just made me so mad that I who is this guy. And my friend Charlie Spine he's actually here in the vid here he goes that's his founder of Mormonism. And I said well Mormons are Christians.

But he's not. That's what I said. And he goes no Mormons are not Christians. I said yeah they are. He goes no they're not. What do you mean. And he started telling what they've taught. But what what. And so he goes well we're having a Bible study that we go to the study I'm going and that's what got me started doing apologetics.

So Charlie Spine right there it's the one. What's that. Oh yeah everybody could blame him. Yeah he's the guy Joseph Smith. Actually what I'll do is I'll say the Mormons I'll say you know what Joseph Smith changed my life.

This is yeah I read something from him but just altered the direction of my life and did it. I wanted to be a go to college to be a marine biologist and I was thinking about what I was gonna do and how and what some other stuff and and change my change my life.

Yeah. So let's see here's the quote God is in the still small voice and all these affidavits indictments it is all of the devil all corruption come on you prosecutors you false swears all hell boil over you burning mountains roll down your lava.

For I will come out on the top at last I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I'm the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me.

Neither Paul John Peter nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from him but the latter-day saints never ran away from me yet. That's what got me started.

I went what. And it just upset me. So I started studying and that's what. Did it. Pretty arrogant and he was dead one month later. Now they did murder him but his brother smuggled or somebody smuggled a gun in and he shot and three I think three rounds two people died one was injured.

That's what I think the how it meant Joseph Smith. What. No shot two people three people.

Right they set him up and so they weren't in the light portion of the the jail person could recognize that they were just awesome and so they were upstairs and the mob comes they're trying to break into the building and they say that he was murdered and he didn't fight back he didn't have a gun and nothing of the sort and he got shot.

He told one guy he's like hey you're I told you you're gonna serve a mission you're yet gonna serve a mission you're not going to get shot. And then he got shot and then while he was shot he fell out the window.

And then they get shot and a lot more times a lot more times. Yeah. Close casket.

And also another little something is he said so there's rumors and no one gave him in the face right about here. And so he said something that they don't know if it's absolutely true but it seems to be he said is there no help for the widow's son which is a code word of distress for Masons.

So some people think they saw he saw the Masons from his secret rituals with them. And so some think that maybe the Masons had set this up trumped up charges because he didn't do what he'd said. What they said I understand.

And they went to kill him. That's what he was appealing. And he didn't know they were out to get him but he did fire. That's a fact and he was not just a lay it down murder. He killed.

The Great Apostasy, 2 Thessalonians 2, and the Limits of End-Time Speculation

People what. So what do you say to all the biblical evidence of the great apostasy such as revelation. Revelations 225 teaches that the apostasy was foretold in the apostle struggled against it for their whole careers.

And because Paul had to correct members repeatedly in all of his letters he kept giving corrections. Here's what you guys are doing wrong. Here's where you have the gospel in some sense. And at the end of Paul's life you know in Timothy it's recorded that all the people he taught in Asia had turned against what Paul taught.

So how do you maintain that the gospel is true to what it was in the.

Early church when the LDS Church says that it was so corrupt. The gospel is a death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. That's in 1st Corinthians 15 1 through 4. Those documents are accurate.

That's what the gospel is defined as by Paul the Apostle. So that's what the gospel is. What they're saying is the gospel is laws ordinances and all the stuff. That's not what the Bible says. It is now in 2nd Thessalonians 2.

Now we request you brethren with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering to him that you be not quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us to the effect that the day of the Lord has come that no one in any way deceived you.

For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first. And the man of lawlessness is revealed that apostasy in 2nd Thessalonians 2 is concomitant with the arrival of the Antichrist an individual that has not happened yet.

So the spirit of Antichrist is alive. And well 1st John talks about that. And there had been various forms of apostasy within the Christian Church even in the beginning in that they were denying certain things and getting prideful about certain things and letters of correction were given.

But that apostasy is not with Paul's talking about. So there is an apostasy occurring in the Christian Church today. But the great apostasy is to have to call it has not yet occurred and that will be.

My opinion at this point is that the great apostasy cannot occur until the church itself has basically gone gone rogue. And then the Holy Spirit will not be doing his work through the world because the Christians aren't doing what's right and they're not really Christians.

And then the the great deception will come in. That's what I believe. Now some people say well that's a pre-tribulation rapture. That's why the Holy Spirit's not here. That doesn't work. It just doesn't work for other reasons which I proved on the chalkboard behind me more than once you know comments or questions let's see.

James White, Islam, and Defending Apologists

James White doesn't support Islam. He's.

Concerned with people. That's correct. He doesn't. James White does not support Islam. He doesn't. Yeah James White. I could maybe talk to him about it but.

James knows that Islam is false and he debates against Muslims and I've not sucked my nose in his business or the stuff that's going on but no he does not believe Islam is true. There's no possible way it doesn't happen.

Even Sam Simone isn't saying that. Right. That's yeah that's where this whole thing is. And Sam's not even saying that he believes that Islam is true. Right. Sorry. What. Sure. Oh yeah you have this question.

I trust you completely except they're.

Portion of the truth you know the Koran.

Because the galaxies no one knows what galaxies. Because you don't see galaxies you just see stars. And they used to think there's only two to four thousand stars depending. I've heard something like that.

But there's billions and it's the Bible that says there's many but what Muslims do is they like to read into their text anything that they contribute to being supernatural and they're desperate attempt to try and demonstrate that their Quran is inspired but they're not many people know about this.

But the early Jewish view of the constellations was gospel oriented the Virgo Virgin that precedes the the Greek influence. And there's another topic I need to study among many others I don't have time for but that is the case.

And you can go on the web probably and find a Jewish view of ancient constellations do something like that and you'll find in fact I remember reading articles about it or a book excerpt 25 years ago or whatever.

When it's past 15 years I kind of forget about stuff but 15 minutes some people would say. But anyway so inside I remember something about the stars inside the constellation of the Virgin in Jewish and the Jewish names that we take the Jewish names what those names mean was really interesting.

You know I can't remember what they were but it was like oh wow that's like that in the Bible you know born of a virgin journey to place you know weird names of stars and then you go that's what the scriptures teach and remember that.

So as we're studying as well. Islam is a growing religion and its adherents promote it is a religion of peace. That's a lie. However in actuality it's not a religion of peace. That's correct. That's correct.

Charlie's putting this stuff in there. Good for him. Okay not a little off-topic. What's your opinion. The impact of the long-term impact of teaching of James White and his support for Islam. I do not believe he is supporting Islam.

Maybe I'll contact him and ask him sometime if it's needed. But I just take my note out of other people's business like that. James White is a very good apologist and he's written many books and he's very competent very good apologist.

He's performed in his theology. Yeah he doesn't. And what I remember trying to remember what happened but he something about a Muslim in a church he was at or his church now. Don't quote me on this. I'm trying to remember the details but it was not a Sunday morning it was a place of the church but on a different night and he had to come in and speak.

And of course I would do something like that. Let's hear what the Muslim has to say. And then let's tackle it.

I can tell you as an apologist having done things like that there's lots of.

Times when I'm not gonna pull out both barrels and start firing away because I got something else going on. I've done that many times. Most times it works. But sometimes it doesn't. But you know I don't know what James was doing but I know a lot of people are trying to get all over him.

Leave him alone. You know I know what it's like to be ridiculed constantly by just Christians. Oh you're not a Christian. I got attacked Sunday night by a guy because I was defending reformed theology.

And total depravity. I mean I forget what the words were. You don't have a power to presence of God or something the power of the Spirit. You know I get so tired of it. It's just so tired. You know I guess.

Stop. People who are ignorant of what the word really says a lot of areas they elevate their own knowledge. And then they say that I'll pronounce judgment on you because it's all right. Nobody because you you know you don't believe the way I do in a non-essential.

It's just it's ridiculous. No religion. Not Islam. Mormonism. J-dubs. Catholicism has an advocate with a father who once purged our sin and after sat down at the right hand. I'm not sure what that means.

An interfaith dialogue. The man blaspheme Christ. You'd have to watch it to understand. If you blaspheme Christ then he can blaspheme Christ then address it in the right context the right way. But they need to get off.

James White's back. Leave him alone. Unless he's such an incredible incredibly heretical leave him alone. It's easy for people to sit in the armchairs sit watch a video the comfort of their home and then type out a condemnation when they're not the ones sitting in the planes traveling across the country or across the world doing the study having to stand up in public and defend the faith.

Nobody says everything perfectly every time. And James and other apologists need support and they need prayer. Because I'll tell you I know from the inside it's very difficult. You see me you know see what the kind of toll it'll take and it does and stuff like that.

Your phone's possessed. It starts talking. It's right. That was an evil voice on your phone. I don't know that was I got add to his evil phone voice. What. Yeah we need a lot of them do but we could use some more.

We're trying to do. Just get 1 ,000 people to donate $5 a month. We had that. We wouldn't wouldn't quite be only a rubber band shooter. Just bang bang. We wouldn't quite be be above where we need to be.

But you know we just I asked for that nothing happened. We're not nothing but there are some very great people who are supporting and there are some people who just doing an awesome job. I try and call them and and don't always get them.

I just want to say thanks. But the problem is I don't want to know who donates because I don't want to treat anybody differently. I don't want that upon me and so I don't know who donates and I just don't want to get involved with it.

But my wife will every now and then say you need to call this person just say thanks and so I'll do that. I've called people and they say don't need to call. My wife told me to she made me yeah. We asked $5 a month 10 would be great.

What's. 10 bucks a month. But the only reason karm has not had to lay off most everybody is because we have a single donor who's bailing us out. That's it. And he believes in the ministry and it's got very successful business and that's the only reason.

We have a full-time guy in Bogota does Spanish. We have a full-time guy in Brazil. He does Portuguese. You have a full-time guy in Turkey does Turkish. And we have a full-time woman in Delaware who does the forums which get thousands of posts a day and she that's a place of evangelism.

It's a lot of work. We have a full-time guy in Salt Lake City and he's pulling up the slack that I can't do now in a lot of areas. And then my wife is full-time and I'm full-time. We have seven full-time employees and so my wife doesn't make very much but she works at least well lately not so much because her health is really taking a dive and she's had some major problems.

She has a very rare disease and broken bones and she coughed and re-cracked some stuff just by coughing once one cough. So she we've got some serious problems coming up but at any rate and she might need her open heart surgery so you know.

So she we were thinking about getting someone else to help us now take up her slack because of that. But at any rate so you know we have people and they're not getting paid a lot of money and and we're just trying to make it make it ends meet.

In fact we have a guy named Glenn and he hosts the CARM website. A DOS attack is a Denial of Service attack. So what's a DOS. Picture any website as a door and to get you to get to the website which is on the other side of that door it's gonna be other side of the door.

A port gives you access to the website. The port is the door. If one person wants to go through the door at a time to look at the website they can walk in and out of that door. What do you do if a hundred people want to go in.

Now nobody gets through and that's what a DOS attack is. Thousands of computers are activated to destroy the site and or bring it down or it's called destroy or overwhelm the port so no one else can get in and they'll they have viruses on computers or whatever the proper terminology is all over wherever a continent.

And then they'll signify signal them to all start accessing the CARM port all at once and so you won't even be home. Your computer could be infected and be used in part of this you wouldn't even know.

And so it'll send stuff out and so that's called a DOS. And so an average you know movie you might download might be two and a half gigabytes. So it takes you a half hour to download a movie right on the internet.

Roughly. Well that's so just a 2 .5 will take you an hour of download on my system which is 40 40 megs per second. It's pretty fast takes a half hour to 45 minutes of download 2 .5 gigabyte movie. Glenn says that sometimes we get 25 to 27 gigabytes per second attack.

So where it might take just it's hard to describe where it might take a hundred people a minute to go through a door 5 ,000. It's like that it's like boom. And he says that he hosts banks and none of the banks ever get attacked as much as CARM does.

And in order to stop the DOS attacks he sometimes has to block continents. You had to block Africa to stop the DOS attack so the others could use the site. So the CARM hits go down and so it affects us and it does hurt us.