November 7, 2018 Show with Dr. Harry L. Reeder III on “3D Leadership: Defining, Developing & Deploying Christian Leaders Who Can Change the World”

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The Purpose of 3D Leadership and the Nature of Biblical Leadership

Through our interview with Dr. Harry L. Reader III, I am so glad that he has returned as a guest to Iron Sharpens Iron today. He is an author and senior pastor of Briarwood Presbyterian Church in Birmingham, Alabama, which is a congregation in the Presbyterian Church in America, more commonly known as the PCA, and we are going to be discussing today his latest book, 3D Leadership, Defining, Developing, and Deploying Christian Leaders Who Can Change the World, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Harry L. Reader III.

Oh, my pleasure, brother, and before we get into the discussion on the book, 3D Leadership, please give us a summary of what Briarwood Presbyterian Church of Birmingham,.

Alabama, is all about. Let me give our listeners our email address if they have any questions for.

You. It's chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give us your first name, at least, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Well, tell us what led to you wanting to write this book, 3D Leadership, Dr. Reader, because obviously, as you know, there are many books on Christian leadership filling the shelves of pastor's studies, some of them excellent, some of them horrendous and unbiblical.

What led you to say to yourself, I think that we.

Need another book on developing Christian leadership? Well, I mean, I went to a city, he did gospel evangelism and discipleship. If we could start where your subtitle starts,.

Because people have many different definitions for leadership. Obviously, there is a Wall Street and secular societies definition of leadership that very often the church imitates, and there is a biblical understanding of leadership.

There is a definition of leadership that imitates Christ, involving not only authority, but also humility and servitude. But if you could define leadership.

For us. Again, the 3D, maybe if I could do it this way, the 3D says, yes, that's not good. Amen. And.

Sadly, that tragically happens more often than we care to admit in the Christian church. Well, there are people that might say that if you look around at the men in any given congregation, there are some that have an innate God-given gift toward leadership.

Others would say you can take nearly any faithful Christian. Of course, every faithful Christian is still a sinner on this earth. But every faithful Christian that stands out as a moral man, an obedient man, a faithful man, a man after God's own heart, and you could make that person with the proper training a leader, even if you don't recognize leadership skills innately in.

Them to begin with. Where do you fall on that? I have a, you know, like worship. Everybody can worship, but some people are gifted. I don't know if you saw Hacksaw Ridge, the movie, it was a true.

Story of Private Desmond T. Doss, who did not, according to the movie, and from what I understand, the movie very closely follows his real life, but you didn't see any innate natural leadership qualities in him.

But he sure, after being tested on the battlefield, became a tremendous leader that Christians can truly look upon as a role model. Did you see the movie, and would you agree.

With my statement? I see that all the time. I mean, I picked him out as a leader. The person.

That immediately came to mind when you were describing Brother Barker is the late Dr. James Montgomery Boyce. I had the privilege of meeting him on a number of occasions, and he was a very friendly man, but he was very quiet before he ascended into that pulpit.

He was soft-spoken. He seemed like he was a bit shy, but as soon as he ascended into that pulpit, he became a very powerful preacher, and a really gifted leader, where you believed that he was truly guiding you accurately through the scriptures, and spoke in a very commanding way that seemed to contradict the way that he might seem before he ascended into the pulpit.

I don't know how often or if you've ever met Dr. Boyce before he entered into glory, but do you think I'm.

Accurately describing him? Yes, Dr. Boyce is actually in there. Oh, wow. Wow, right. How do you envision, not only pastors who already exist in leadership,.

And other men that are involved in leadership, how do you suggest that they develop other leaders?

Well, number one is to develop leaders by what you have that Jesus began to teach. You have to models. You need to give you about 80. We have a listener in Cumberland County,.

Pennsylvania, Bebe, who says, I am not an egalitarian by any stretch of the imagination. I strongly believe that the complementarian understanding of leadership in the church and in the home is the most biblical.

However, I was wondering if your book has value for women, because women do, as you know, have leadership roles over other women in the church, and older women are in fact commanded in the scriptures to train younger women.

I was just curious if the.

Book contains anything in regard to that. By no means. Thank you, Bebe. By the way,.

You have just won a free copy of 3D Leadership, and this is because of the generosity of Christian focused publications, and they are going to be, or should I say, our friends at CVBBS, Cumberland County Bible Book Services, they are going to be mailing that out to you as soon as we get your full mailing address, and we thank you for contributing to the show today with an excellent question.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York, and RJ says, other than giving biblical instruction through the word preached and taught, what other ways are leaders developed in the.

Church in tangible, physical ways? Well, there's a lot for your life, and then number three, you're accountable, or that you would hold each other accountable, and now, so then there's a number of illness, usually in terms of family, army, military, either in the bond, unity, that's a customer client.

We've still got battles, too, into life in which life and death is at stake in matters of eternity, and extremely encouraging and helpful. Well, thank you, RJ, and you have.

Also won a free copy of 3D Leadership, so please give us your full mailing address in White Plains, New York, so that CVBBS .com can ship that out to you as soon as possible. We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who says, one problem I have found in life when encountering men who may be excellent leaders in many ways is that they have an aura of being so lofty that they appear to be unapproachable.

They appear to be men that you might be intimidated to walk up to and have a conversation with. Don't those in leadership, and also those cultivating leadership in others, need to be humble and make that humility very obvious?

That's one of the things we deal with,.

You know, there's three, some guys and their competencies, some women and men, and then when you pack height of their impact, what you begin to see is entreated in your life, but it does mean you want to be a degree that is approachable.

Well, thank you, Arnie, and guess what, you've also won a free copy of 3D Leadership,.

Thanks to the generosity of Christian Focus Publications, and also CVBBS .com, who is shipping that out to you at no cost to you or to Arnie Tripp and Zion Radio. Make sure we have your full mailing address.

We're going to our first break right now, if you have a question for Dr. Harry L. Reader III on leadership, and since he is a pastor, we will even broaden the spectrum of the questions we will take to any pastoral issue, but of course, we would most like you to ask about leadership, and the email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com, and please, as always, give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence, if you live outside the USA, and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Don't go away, we'll be right back after these messages with Dr. Harry L.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Trip and Zion Radio. If you just tuned us in, our guest today is Dr. Harry L. Reader III. We are discussing his latest book, 3D Leadership, Defining, Developing, and Deploying Christian Leaders Who Can Change the World.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. We do have another listener from Clifton, New Jersey. Joey says, Thank you for your helpful insights today.

You said earlier this book is easily adaptable to developing male and female leaders. Could you please comment or clarify what those applications for female leadership might be? I have to enlarge the email here that Joey sent because the type is quite small.

I am not intending to put you on the spot, but there seems to be a lot of confusion in modern evangelicalism on this point, and I wonder if you might have some guidelines that might be helpful to Christians.

Thanks for any light you might shed on this subject. Well, thank you, Joey, in Clifton, New Jersey. Dr. Reader, if you could.

Well, I guess in the church, the ordained office is Lydia.

Well, thank you, Joey, and you have won a free copy of 3D Leadership. Please make sure we have your full mailing address in Clifton, New Jersey and cvbbs .com. We'll ship that out to you, and we thank our friends at Christian Focus Publications once again for their generosity.

Before I move on to another question, I just want to read a couple of the commendations that this book has received so I can give our listeners a better idea of the value of this book. Peter A. Lilback, who is president at Westminster Theological Seminary in Glenside, Pennsylvania, says, Harry Reader's gifts of communication and leadership are legendary.

This book is not only a source of spiritual wisdom, but a manual on the practical application of the principles of biblical leadership. And Mark Dever, many of our listeners may recognize Mark Dever's name from the nine Marx ministries, and also he is the pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington, DC.

Reader is disturbed that churches have entrusted the world with defining what it means to be a leader. He tries to take that job back, and with it, he gives us help in knowing how we can develop and deploy those leaders in the church and beyond.

And last but not least, Philip Graham Ryken, president of Wheaton College, who has also been a guest on this program. All of these men have been on this program at one time or another. Drawing on a deep understanding of scripture, a lifetime of ministry in the church, and a practical knowledge of military history, Reader lays out clear biblical principles for success in spiritual leadership.

Well, with commendations like that, I think that people should take this book very seriously and very seriously consider purchasing many copies to give out to not only pastors, but men who are perhaps inspiring to be pastors, or anybody else who is aspiring to be a leader in any sphere of life.

Let's see, we have another listener here who seeks to remain anonymous. What do you say about those who return to leadership after committing scandalous sins? We all know that Christ's death covers every sin of the elect.

However, in everyday life, and in matters involving the church here on earth, that does not mean that there are not consequences behind our sins. If you could give your view on this.

What I think is that the glorious truth of the gospel is the forgiveness of sins. But leadership is not a right that is attached to yours. And in the scriptures, the number one response would be above reproach.

But it means trust in a leader, forfeit leadership by their behavior. Yes. Yes. It would be a process whereby it would be obvious that the leader has now regained that status of being trusted. Leadership is not a right.

And while one can be restored, one is not automatically restored to leadership. All the other was that if any of us fell into the store, you backed and then your family, but you couldn't. Now, why did we take that position?

We thought we were strong just because we realized our weaknesses. So we automatically, a factor that being unfaithful to your wife, remember, only swings open at that. Not again, not because somebody can be never yet seen to be honest about, but that is the reality is, is that leadership is a right attached to our salvation.

You have phrased it in a way that I have never heard before. That's excellent. I've heard, obviously, the basic elements of what you said, but the way that you phrased it specifically is excellent. And I've never heard it phrased that way.

We actually have another anonymous listener who asks, are there any sins that a man may have committed before his salvation that would prevent him from being a candidate for leadership in the church after his salvation?

Had to make judge the young man, children's ministry, et cetera, that would be required of that office. And so we made that decision, nor should we put that doesn't. Excellent.

And of course, I'm assuming that you would not preclude even very horrible sins, always preventing someone from being a pastor or a leader. If those sins were committed, especially before salvation, because we have as the greatest example, obviously, Saul of Tarsus.

He actually rounded up men and women for execution because of their faith in Christ. And then of course, he was transformed by the power of Christ after his salvation. So obviously, even somebody with a record, a track record like Paul doesn't exclude them from candidacy, but there are occasions like you just mentioned, the pedophilia or the molestation where it would.

Yeah, you've got these around when you have a now having said that, yes, you're right. I mean, it's amazing. I mean, who are three of the most prolific writers of the Bible? Well, you got David, you've got Paul, and you've got Moses.

Well, all three are guilty or manslaughter. And so here's your most three prolific writers of script. I mean, Salma bin Laden of his day, and then he becomes the greatest evangelist. And God takes great delight in not only overcoming those things, but many times taking our greatest vice and turning it into our greatest virtues by his grace.

Amen. Well, at the risk of being repetitious, because I'm assuming that there's a possibility that some of your answer to my next question may be things that you already said. But you also feature in your book, the chapter on what leadership is not, if you could go more into.

Detail about that. Well, just a couple of things. I mean, the leadership is not one like, they're not necessary, but managers are not necessarily leaders. Excellent. We have.

Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, New York, who says, should Christians adopt as heroes for leadership, men that have no record of being Christian, to give you an example, I even know, pastors who are theologically reformed, who are biblically sound and solid, but they will refer to on occasion, men like Teddy Roosevelt, and others that have leadership qualities that are notable and excellent, but they had no record that we know of, of actually being regenerate.

Another example that comes to mind is Winston Churchill. What is your opinion about using these men as examples and role models for the Christian? Well, my dear friend, George Grant,.

Would argue that they didn't convince me. But they did argue that. I have absolutely taken leaders who are, by God's common grace, incorporate things that we ought to learn. I use illustration, I use, not because I am saying that they're, they're not, but in God's common grace, there are things that you can learn from leaders.

And I enjoy, for instance, I quote Douglas McCarthy, you can learn that in God's, even though that you are.

Redeeming grace. Right, yeah, I immediately just thought of an example in a different area. I remember years ago, being present at a Bible conference, conference led by Al Martin, Reformed Baptist pastor, now retired.

And he surprised many, telling them that he thought one of the most excellent preachers in regard to homiletics was Norman Vincent Peale. And yet, he did not believe Norman Vincent Peale was regenerate.

He was just speaking about the mechanics of speaking and so on. So he... Well, yeah, you just mentioned another mentor of mine,.

And that's Al Martin. Everything he says, he's absolutely, if you will watch how they communicate, they may not yet be converted. They certainly may not be preachers, but their communications learn many things in God's common grace.

You have to remember, a clock that's broken is not.

Reliable, but it's there. Well, we are going to go to our midway break right now. The midway break is longer than our typical breaks because Grace Life Radio 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida requires of us a longer break in the middle of our show because they air their own public service announcements and commercials to localize Iron Sharpens Iron to Lake City, Florida.

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There's some events that I want my listeners to know about. And the first one is tonight at 6 p .m. So you'll actually have to leave wherever you are now and head over there to the York College of Performing Arts or the York College Performing Arts Center in Jamaica, Queens, New York.

This is a debate featuring my friend David Wood, who is a brilliant apologist, especially in the realm of Islam. He is a Christian apologist in the realm of Islam. He is going to be debating Mohammed Hijab on Trinity or Tawheed.