February 6, 2019 Show with Jon Speed on “A Christian Response to the New Boldness of Baby Killers”

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This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this sixth day of February 2019, and I am so delighted to have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, John Speed.

You may have recently seen or heard John on Sean Hannity's radio program and also on Fox television, on Fox and Friends or somewhere else. John Speed is a bivocational church planting pastor in postmodern Syracuse, New York, since 2011, and you could check out Christ is King Baptist Church in Syracuse, New York, at Sermon Audio.

He is a used and rare bookseller operating John Speed the Book Scout since 1994, owner of a brick and mortar bookshop on the south side of Syracuse. Johnspeedbooks .com is where you could find out more information about that, a brick and mortar store.

He's the author of Evangelism in the New Testament and co-producer of the pro-life documentary Babies Are Murdered Here. He's also currently assisting with the filming of the sequel to that documentary, Babies Are Still Murdered Here, which is being produced through endabortionnow .com.

That's endabortionnow .com, a website that I want you all to memorize and become very familiar with. Today we are going to be addressing the theme, A Christian Response to the New Boldness of Baby Killers, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever,.

The Iron Shepherd's Iron Radio, John Speed. Thank you so much, it's great to be here.

And the pleasure is all mine, brother, and before we go into a summary of your testimony of salvation, which is something that I have, typically anyway, I have first-time guests do on this show, I'd like to have you describe, at least in a summary fashion, something about Christ.

Is King Baptist Church. Okay, well Christ is King Baptist Church is a church plant from, first we've been here since, like you said, 2011. And this is in Syracuse, New York. Right, Syracuse, New England.

It's been a challenge, you know, it's not easy plowing. We've done a lot of evangelism here in the area, a lot of different forms of evangelism, and just faithfully trying to preach and teach the Word of God to the people that God would bring.

Our mission would be the 1689 Second London Baptist Church, which is maybe like 25 -30 people on Sunday morning. And right now I'm preaching through the Book of John, and about church as a recent event, to go through nine marks of the health and media.

And you wanted to hear my.

Testimony? Yeah, what we normally do on this show is we have first-time guests give a summary of the salvation testimony that they have, something about your religious upbringing, if any, and the Sovereign Lord's providence that He brought into your life,.

Providential occurrences.

That He raised up that drew you to Himself and saved you. Great. But I did not, I was not regenerated until, well actually I went up through youth group. And what kind of a flavor of Christianity was this?

That would be typical, like, non-denominational evangelical background, is the way I would describe it. So yeah, I was the leader in the youth group, and then I went to Bible school to go into ministry.

I had never been regenerate. And then Keith Daniel, I think he's still preaching, and in the process of hearing him preach, I think God really hadn't done a work in my life. There was never any repentance.

Did not really have any fruit in the evangelical world, and that's true. And I was faced with my... God was very gracious and opened my eyes. He gave me that gift of repentance. And yeah, things changed radically.

That's when I began evangelism and started street preaching. That's when, about a year later, resigning from the evangelism trainers. So yeah, so I did some evangelism training with that, and that was kind of my seminary.

And I did a great job, and we came back here to plant. And why Syracuse? Why is it that.

This church in Texas has such a burden on their heart for the lost, and also believers who need.

To be discipled in Syracuse? Well, I would come up here about once a year when I was doing evangelism ministry to visit churches that I knew up here. I would do some evangelism training. Fascinated by.

I grew up near Buffalo, and I didn't know much about it. So I started jumping off the highway and exploring the area a little bit. And when I got back to Texas, I would start looking up information on Syracuse.

That was a senior pastor prayed over that, and I put together a proposal.

And tell us a little bit about johnspeedbooks .com.

I've been selling used and rare books for about 25 years, and I've done it mostly on the internet about four years ago, almost five years ago. And we really felt we needed a place to meet. Essentially, it does double-dip the kiosks in the center of the store, and we set up Saturday night for Sunday morning, and prayer meetings in the morning.

It does double duty as a bookstore.

Abortion, Infanticide, and the Pro-Life Documentary

Great. Well, now let's hear about the pro-life documentary that you co-produced with Marcus Pittman, Babies Are Murdered Here. And by the way, if anybody, after this live show is over, if you ever want to revisit irontreppanzineradio .com and go into the archive where it says past shows podcast, you can type in the name P as in Peter, I, T as in Thomas, T as in Thomas, M-A-N, and the interview with Marcus Pittman will come up on Babies Are Murdered Here and the sequel that is being created now, Babies Are Still Murdered Here.

But for those of our listeners who have not had the privilege of hearing Marcus's interview with me on Iron Treppanzine Radio, tell us about this.

Documentary. Yeah, um, Babies Are Murdered Here started by accident. Marcus, to come out to film, so we would sort of have a video over, ended up half started on Sunday, so it's kind of hard to do something like that if you're sending them back before.

What are we going to do? And I knew of an abortion clinic, well, an OBGYN office near us that they don't have protesters there, or at least they did advertise that, that they didn't have protests. And a friend of mine named Robert had always had the idea of taking a, a sign that just said, Babies Are Murdered Here.

And that's what we did right before we got some poster board and just started sketching out these letters, just made a, that on the internet, about Babies Are Murdered Here, standing there, actually preach the gospel while you're out there, fortunately in the pro-life movement.

For that year, we just went around the country filming the results of what people were doing with the idea. And we, what we ended up with is meant to mobilize local churches, moms and dads that are going to the baby.

And if anybody wants to see the entire film,.

Absolutely free of charge, you can go to babiesaremurderedhere .com. That's babiesaremurderedhere .com. Right now, I'm going to play the interview that you recently had with Sean Hannity. It's not very long, so I can play the entire interview.

This is not to beat up Sean. This is not to take away from all the good that Sean has done and continues to do. I'm very glad that he is out there very often providing a voice of reason and truth that you don't hear elsewhere.

But there is a difference, there is a difference of opinion and approach and strategy and ideology when it comes to the rescue of unborn children and even born children, children born, quote, quote, accidentally through, during an attempt at murdering that child, during an attempt at aborting that child, there have been children born alive.

In fact, there was an Infant Born Alive Act proposed a number of years ago in order to save children such as that. They were being put in storage closets and other places in hospitals where they were just left to die of dehydration and starvation.

And that tragically still happens. Very little different from what Dr. Gosnell was doing, for which he received a life sentence, which he is still serving. The only difference is that he actually took a pair of scissors and ended the child's or the children's lives more quickly than letting them slowly die of dehydration in a shoebox somewhere in a closet.

But I'm going to play this interview that Sean had with my guest today, John Speed, and then I'm going to have John further react or respond to his own interview and add my own commentary and questions to that.

So I hope that you all listen carefully and we will be back with.

The live portion of the interview momentarily. John Speed closed his bookstore in protest of the signing of this bill, placed a sign in the storefront it read, today is a day of mourning in New York State.

We will not be collecting sales taxes today for a tyrannical government that murders babies. We will resume regular business tomorrow, collecting sales tax under duress. He is a pastor at Christ the King Baptist Church, I assume in Syracuse also.

He joins us now. How are you? I'm well, thanks for having me on the show.

Let's go to the heart of this. Now, apparently this is now the big cause for the left in the country, and I don't think it's even about abortion. This is about legalizing infanticide.

Well, you know, whenever a woman has an abortion after 24 weeks, they're essentially giving birth. It's either by c-section or natural birth, even when they're doing an abortion. They are having a birth process, and this baby that they're giving birth to is going to be murdered.

It's no more and no less than that.

Well, the child at this point is viable on its own. And when you really think about it, I mean, it is the ultimate in innocence. If anyone needs protections of government, in the sense that, you know, at that point, if it's a living human being on its own to allow this to happen is unconscionable to me.

It's gruesome in many ways. Anyway, so you made this statement about New York taxes. What's the result? What has been the consequences and results of your stand? What happened?

Well, the consequences, we've had a few people in the immediate neighborhood who weren't really happy about us talking about it at all. But other than that, it's been overwhelmingly positive. We've had, I was talking to my wife here a minute ago, I think we're around 650 orders in that neighborhood.

We've come in for multiple.

Titles. It's just been incredible. Is that a lot for you? 650 is a big day.

That is, you know, we might do on a big day, 10.

Wow. What's your website? We can plug away. So people can buy any book from you,.

Do you find hard to find books? Yeah, we do. Out of print, hard to find. Our website is johnspeedbooks .com. And yeah, so the support's been overwhelming. Actually, it's ironic because now we're probably going to have to shut the store down for two weeks while we fill these orders.

We've got volunteers in here that we're training today. No, no, no,.

Don't stop taking the orders. Just say we'll get to it as quickly as possible. Let me help you out as a businessman. That's what we're doing. Don't shut down for two weeks. We're taking all your orders.

What's the website again? Johnspeedbooks .com. It's funny because now that I know you exist, I just bought a whole bunch of Taylor Caldwell original hardback novels. I got the whole collection. And I could have just gone to you and you could have gotten it for me.

She happens to be my favorite novelist. Well, you know, I don't even know what else to say, except that I really have a hard time understanding how this has become the big cause of state after state. We know New York's liberal, California's liberal, but I don't even know anybody that I know that's pro-choice, that supports abortion in the first trimester,.

That would support this. A few years ago, we did a documentary called Babies Are Murdered Here. I know there's debates about when the baby's viable, but I think it's pretty clear at conception. You've got human life.

It's not a giraffe. It's not a goldfish or something. This is human life. And I think when we start to really get a sense that this is really murder, we might actually rise up and do something about it.

And I think a lot of people think,.

There's a lot of hyperbole, especially when there's a Supreme Court opening. You know, if you remember infamously, Ted Kennedy going out there, Robert Bork's America, you know, segregation and back alley abortions.

No, if Roe v. Wade were somehow overturned, not likely, by the way, whether people want to hear that or not, it would go back to the states and states like, you're always going to have states that are having legal abortion.

The question is, you know, at what point when the child's viable, at what point do you say you have to make a decision? You can't wait till you're giving birth to say, you know what, I'm not having a good.

Feeling about this. Yeah, right. Yeah. And really, really, there's a time before that. That's when.

They decide to have sex. Well, there's a lot of choices there, too. I mean, if you if you want to prevent pregnancy, it's very easy to do, isn't it? Yeah, abstain. Well, that's the surefire way. But I'm talking about there's plenty of birth control.

If you decide you're going to have sex, you can prevent pregnancy. And we should be, you know, if you're not ready, whatever. But even that said, there is you know, this is not even to me abortion. This is just infanticide, pure and simple.

And how it's become the big cause of the left. I don't know what's happened to this party, but. All right, Pastor. But listen, I wish you the best in your bookstore. And it's John Speed.

What is it? Books dot com. That's correct. OK. And we also have end abortion now dot com. It's a great resource if people want to get interest involved in that. OK, thank you. And,.

You know, there's other groups out there like Live Action, Lila Rose and, you know, other people. I did, you know, just search your own conscience on something like this. And we'll talk more about at the top of the hour.

Well, that was the interview that.

Sean recently had with my guest today, John Speed. And I'm not a mind reader, of course, but there seems to be an attempt by fellow conservatives, fellow citizens who believe in a child's right to live both inside the womb and out.

There seems to be a strategy of pragmatism where to soften the blow or soften the rhetoric with pro-choice, quote, quote, individuals or family, friends, neighbors and so on, perhaps to make ourselves look less extreme.

There seems to be a compartmentalism going on where, well, we can understand why somebody would believe in abortion, but this is totally different. Now, obviously, the death by neglect that is happening with babies that are actually born, it's more shocking because it clearly rips the mask off of the pro-abortion movement.

There is no excuse here of ignorance that could be made. For instance, you know, for years, it's not so much the rhetoric today, but when I was growing up for years, the rhetoric was, well, nobody really knows when life begins.

And it's a blob of tissue, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But when you have a baby who's born and perhaps even crying in a little bassinet or a shoebox, whatever they put those babies in, just lying there perhaps on a surgical table of some kind, there is something more shocking about it.

But if you could basically state in your own words where you're coming from, where the difference might be in your personal agenda, your strategy, your approach, your ideology, then those pro-life folks around us, and perhaps even including Sean Hannity, who have a different approach.

Yeah, I mean, my approach is to call a spade to that movie to really be fought. And they would say, well, you can't, cogically damaging. Really? The mother. Yeah. It was so extreme that one of the, um, wow.

Or, you know, sword against the evildoer. Lante's role. That's the government's role. And then they would start calling abortion sin, their own catechism. Time went on that they didn't want the gospel being preached.

Uh, well, obviously, obviously I could understand a Roman.

Catholic organization that is dedicated to the pro-life movement. I can understand them not.

Wanting the gospel preach because they have a different one. Sure. And yeah. And what was funny was they would send this email out and say, okay, so whenever you see these people show up with these signs, just make sure that you get away from them as far away from them as you can, because you don't want to be associated with them.

And I replied to that and I said, don't worry about that. Preach the gospel. They tell them that. And it's because they don't want to hear the truth. Like you just, I didn't know anything really about the pro-life movement.

When I got started, we wanted to do something about abortion and the gospel seems like the best way to do something.

The Gospel as the Christian Response to Abortion

Yeah. Well, there is a reason that I, uh, I titled today's show a Christian response to the new boldness of baby killers. Uh, as we have already established, uh, you and myself, uh, agree on the fact that all abortion is the murder of a child or children.

If you, someone who's carrying twins or triplets or quadruplets, et cetera. But, um, so nothing has really changed other than the boldness, uh, the in your face. Yeah, we know it's a child, but it's still the right of a mother, whether or not this child lives.

This is still a private discussion. As, uh, governor Northam recently said very calmly and a, uh, cool, common collected manner describing how the baby after it's delivered would be kept comfortable while the mother and her physician, uh, discuss this.

They have a little chat on what are we going to do with this thing that, that just, uh, made life more uncomfortable for you. Um, so, uh, it's, it's, there is something that is more grotesquely shocking because as I was saying earlier, the veil of alleged ignorance or alleged mystery that for centuries, uh, people have disagreed on when life begins and all this kind of talk that's, that's all flushed down the toilet.

Uh, you're talking about people supporting a, the kind of rhetoric or the kind of ideology or activity, actual deeds of someone like governor Northam and those so-called physicians that are in abortion mills, uh, letting babies who have actually been born die, uh, through neglect.

And so there, there is something more shocking about the level of hatred for God and his word that the left has stooped to. If you,.

If you care to comment on what I'm saying here. Yeah, I think it might go along with what the appraised mind, you know, the wrath of God is revealed in this right now, while this judgment's going to come because there, we're doing this, you know, judgment's coming.

I've been contending for a long time now, and I'm not the only one that this is judgment, that this is the manifest.

Display of the wrath of God. Same sex marriage and all these things that, uh, many of us never believed would, would occur here in the United States. And, and it's just shocking to see these things. And you're absolutely right.

In fact, my, my dear friend, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, when the marriage of two people of the same gender became legal, he was saying,.

We are not waiting for the judgment of God. This is the judgment of God. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, I try to point that out. I've even pointed that out in person in front of these places. And, and also when I've had opportunities to speak and, um, what we were praying for at this point is not the removal of, we have to pray that God in his wrath will remember mercy out to God and say, God, would you have mercy on us?

Would you allow us to save some babies? Would you allow us to, you know, and to, because, uh. And we are going to our first station break right now. If.

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Have a great day. Welcome back. This is Chris Zarnes, and if you just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is John Speed, pastor at Christ is King Baptist Church in Syracuse, New York.

He is the owner of a bookstore where details can be found at johnspeedbooks .com, and that's j-o-n speedbooks .com. He's the author of Evangelism and the New Testament, and he is also the co-producer of the documentary Babies Are Murdered Here and is currently assisting on the creation of the sequel, Babies Are Still Murdered Here, which is being produced through endabortionnow .com.

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We do have a listener in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Ted, and Ted has two questions for you, and I'm going to enlarge the font on Ted's email because it's very small and I'm going blind, and this is a reminder to all of my listeners, if you could, no matter how ridiculous it may look to you when you're sending an email, put it on giant font as big as you can so I can see what I'm reading here, and if you want to join Ted in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, with a question of your own, it's chrisarnsen at gmail .com, chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Okay, here we have a first question. Do you share the theonomist commitments of your partner, Marcus Pittman, and if so, what do you think the appropriate punishment should be for a woman who has had an abortion?

That's the first question, and we'll have you deal with that first. Okay,.

Yeah, I do believe that the law of God, we would use the law, and I believe, I know that sounds harsh to people, we don't have a just law. I do not believe it's our job to, it's our job to bear the...

In other words, you're not supporting vigilantism, you're not supporting people doing.

Things on their own accord as private citizens, like blowing up abortion clinics, or murdering abortionists in the street, or in their home, or the women who have voluntarily had their abortions.

Yeah, and I, you know, for the death penalty, evangelicals believe that the death penalty is just. You don't believe that. Now, obviously, as you said, there will be case-by-case.

Things in your view. If this were, if we were ever to reach a point in our society where these things were put into place, and obviously, you would have to be a post-millennialist to believe that they could.

I'm assuming you would not believe that every single woman who has had, or is going to have an abortion, obviously, if she hadn't had it yet, she wouldn't be guilty of the crime. But for instance, there are women who are girls, young girls, even teenage girls, perhaps even those girls who are not even teenagers yet, who have developed biologically early, who have become pregnant, and they are being forced against their own wills by their parents.

Yeah. Because their parents want to be spared embarrassment, or whatever the case is. Perhaps the race of the child is not what the parents want. You could go on and on and on. Or perhaps the girl is a victim of child molestation, rape, and so on.

But the girl is not one of these women who has a flippant attitude. Hey, this is going to cramp my style. This is going to interrupt my sex life. This is just inconvenient. I'm going to have to take time off of work.

That is a different situation. You're not talking about an adult making a conscious decision.

Yeah, and obviously in that situation, it's like any other trial, right? I mean, we would look at it like, let's look at the details of this. Let's examine this and make a just decision based on the facts.

And when it comes to these cases that you mentioned, obviously there are cases where there's coercion. Sex trafficking is another example. And these women who are involved in sex trafficking because of the abortion, I think, look at who's the guilty party here in that sense.

At the same time, we also have to recognize that most of the women that go to the clinic are not victims. The vast majority of them that are going to the clinics know exactly what they're doing. They're well aware that it's a baby.

That was a shocking thing. Until I interviewed Jeff Durbin of Apologia Church, Apologia Studios, I was unaware of the fact, at least in his personal experience evangelizing in abortion mills, that the majority of women that he has encountered going into those places know full well that they are having a baby murdered.

That was a surprise to me.

Yeah, and that's what we exposed in that film. And that has been my experience every time I've been out there. I don't think, I did another interview where I said this, I do not think that I've met the woman yet.

I mean, I'm sure they're out there. I know that they're out there, but I have not met that one yet. And I've been doing, you got to allow for it. So I don't know. It's one of those things, still arguing clumps of cells, right?

That the abortionists are telling them that these are clumps of cells. Well, the prenatal science is so advanced at this stage, even the abortionists aren't calling it clumps of cells anymore. They're just saying, this is better for you.

And in a lot of cases, they're saying this is better for your baby. It's better for your baby to die than to come into the world that you can offer it. It's sick. It's sick. Now, before I go on to Ted's second.

Question, how do you respond to what would no doubt be the reaction? I'm assuming that maybe even many in my listening audience are reacting in this fashion. If you are going to kill any hope of the advance of the movement to protect the life of the unborn, it's rhetoric like Chris today, who are saying that this crime of murdering an unborn child should be a crime punishable by death, not only for the so-called physician, but also for the mother.

How do you respond to that kind of a response who think, you know, and in pragmatic terms, they might even be horrified by that notion themselves. Sure. How on earth could you view the women as an inclusion in this punishment when they are victims of society because they've been brainwashed, that this is a completely acceptable thing, it's been legal for years, and so on and so on?