March 3, 2021 Show with Roger Salter on “A Man Called ‘Luther’ & a Man Called ‘Erasmus'”

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Introducing Roger Salter and the Theme of Luther and Erasmus

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I'm thrilled to have back on the program a dear friend of mine who has become one of my very favorite guests to interview. His name is Roger Salter, and he is rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

Today we are going to be addressing a man called Luther and a man named Erasmus, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Roger Salter. Amen, and I am blessed to have you on the program again.

And tell our listeners, for those of our listeners especially who are hearing about you for the first time, tell them about St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

I'll do so with a bit here to the 39 articles we use for our liturgy, our worship and communion, probably numerically now, the evangelical wing.

Yes, the issue of whosoever will may come is the answer to, or should I say the question to ask when you are having a friendly dispute with someone who rejects Reformed theology and Calvinism, who may claim that a Calvinist doesn't believe that.

The question to ask them is, but who will come? Why did you come and your very sweet, pious, religious next-door neighbor who maybe have led a very moral and godly life living next door, she may be even in her 90s, why hasn't she yet come to Christ?

And we could go on and on with that division in the body of Christ. And even though I don't know of a single Arminian who would admit to saying this out loud, but really their only answer could be logically and consistently, well, I was more humble than my neighbor.

I was more aware of my sinfulness than my neighbor. I was more in tune with God than my neighbor. I was more involved in Bible reading. You could go on and on and on with the answers, but they always leave one with the clear understanding that the person is in some way innately better than his neighbor.

Exactly.

And not that I want to derail our subject today, but when you were speaking about your current independence as an Anglican church, it is, I'm sure for you as it is for me, frustrating to watch the spectrum of denominations across the world, and perhaps especially here in the United States, where you finally have seen something wonderful come about amongst these various groups.

And then you see them returning to the very sins that required their existence to begin with. I'm thinking of the Reformed Episcopal Church started in the 19th century as a reaction to the Oxford movement, the Romish wing of Anglicanism, the Anglo-Catholic wing that began to rise in prominence.

And you have the Reformed Episcopal Church was formed for the very reason of combating that, of giving a Protestant answer to that, giving a confessionally Reformed answer to that. And now you have, and I don't want to broad brush the Reformed Episcopal Church, I have friends and acquaintances who I highly regard in that denomination.

I've interviewed people in that denomination from their clergy, etc. But you have them returning to the very thing that they were opposed to, you have many in their ranks being very sacerdotal and Romish in their understanding of the gospel, of the sacraments, and so on.

And you have in the Southern Baptist Convention, they cleaned house years ago, decades ago, and when liberalism had dominated, or at least came close to dominating the denomination, the Bible-believing conservatives and fundamentalists came in, and God used them to eradicate all remnants, it seemed, of leftism and apostasy.

And now you have them once again returning in the woke movement to the dangerous left side of things. And it's just mind-boggling. Not only in the woke movement, but this would actually be a part of the woke movement, I guess, but the softening of opposition to homosexuality, and on and on.

It's just discouraging. And we have that with the Anglican groups, where perhaps you were waiting very enthusiastically, thinking that you could join yourself to a group that seemed to be committed to biblical orthodoxy and historic Protestant Anglicanism, and then all of a sudden you see them changing.

Am I right?

Absolutely, Chris. I mean, it's a matter, and I'm still...

And I want to give our listeners the two websites that I have for you and for St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama. If anyone wants to find out more about this church and about Roger himself, you can go to STM, which is an abbreviation for St. Matthew's, STM as in Matthew, Anglican .Weebly .com.

That's S-T-M, Anglican .Weebly .com. And you can also go to RogerSalter .com, RogerSalter .com, and his last name is not spelt like the hymn book of the Hebrew scriptures. There's no P in his last name.

It's S-A-L-T-E-R, RogerSalter .com. Well, you have picked quite a fascinating theme today to discuss, a man called Luther and a man named Erasmus. Luther hardly needs any introduction to the average listener of Iron Shepard's Iron Radio, although I must say there are many misconceptions and legends and myths that perpetuate about Luther, even from very fine men and denominations and pulpits.

But if you could introduce our listeners to, in an abbreviated fashion, obviously, to who Luther was and perhaps give a little more time to a name which, especially for newer Christians, perhaps, may be a lot less familiar.

That's Erasmus. Perhaps you'll need to spend a little bit more time letting us know who Erasmus is, but if you could...

Okay, well, I don't know why they need it. And we have a very... It should be... Sustain his good... And it's wonderful... Outrageous rebel...

Augustine, Pelagius, and the Roots of the Grace Debate

Centuries before them, before Luther and Erasmus, we had a tension between two great figures in the church that in some ways, I believe, was a precursor to what later developed with Luther and Erasmus, the tension and the opposition that existed between Augustine of Hippo and Pelagius.

I think that there are very similar issues at hand in both of their disputes, centuries apart, even though the Roman Catholic Church condemned Pelagius and regards him, to this day, as a heretic. But in the 21st century, and perhaps long before, you could barely distinguish the apologetic and the theology of your average Roman Catholic, who has some, at least, cursory knowledge of the Catholic Church and what to believe and how to live.

You can barely distinguish that from a full-blown Pelagian, can you?

That's right.

We have to get to our first station break right now, if anybody has a question for Roger Solter on this issue we are discussing, a man called Luther and a man named Erasmus, and the theological conflict that exists even to this day in the 21st century, that has never been resolved in any meaningful way between the Church of Rome and biblical Protestantism.

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Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Don't go away. We'll be right back with Roger Solter of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, and more of our discussion on a man called Luther and a man named Erasmus, right after these messages from our sponsors.

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. So just to recap the importance of this topic, Roger, not only the first dispute centuries before Luther and Erasmus were born between Augustine and Pelagius, where Pelagius was denying the taint of Adam's sin, the inheritance of Adam's sin from the moment of conception, also known as original sin.

He was denying that, and he was also denying the necessity, the requirement of grace in order to leave a human with free will to believe in and embrace Christ and be joined to his church, etc. And then, of course, centuries later, you have Erasmus as a Catholic not defending that extreme version of the freedom of man and the lack of a requirement of grace.

Erasmus would have believed in the necessity of grace, but not the sufficiency of grace. And what this all boils down to is that the tension and the dispute, the divide between Roman Catholicism and Biblical Protestantism, historical reformational Protestantism, is that the Reformed, those who today would be, this teaching would be more clearly seen amongst those who are theologically Reformed and Calvinistic, is that we are 100 of the praise, honor, and glory to God for our salvation, whereas those outside of the Reformed faith, even within Protestantism, may claim that.

They may claim, I give all the credit to God for my salvation. They may say that, but their theology and their belief systems do not logically and consistently prove that out. They always wind up believing that man takes a part of the credit for his or her salvation.

Am I right?

Absolutely. The teaching is...

Prayer, the Tax Collector, and True Humility Before God

A listener, Bruce in Hoover, Alabama, who says,. Thank you, Chris and Roger, for this wonderful program and deeply needed discussion. I happen to completely agree with Luther's premise on bondage of the will.

And per that premise, I, the sinful man, Bruce, believe I am completely incapable of myself, by myself, of recognizing and accepting any gospel truth, be it not for the work and enlightenment of the Holy Spirit.

That said, my question related to this topic concerns prayer. What advice can you give us as to how can all or any of us utter praises, I'm sorry, utter prayers to God that are more than typical religious meanderings or pronouncements of self-righteous people or long lists of entitled people or impatient demands of people who wonder what God is doing?

How then should we prepare for and approach prayer? Thank you, both Roger and Chris, for your advice and thoughts on this. Keep charging. Best regards, Bruce from Hoover, Alabama. So, I'm assuming, since you are a big fan of the Book of Common Prayer, maybe that has some answer for guidance in this question?

It certainly does. We have to go to our midway break.

Thank you very much, Bruce, for that excellent question. And I want to actually pick up on where you left off on that very issue that Bruce's question involved when we return from the break. But folks, please be patient with us.

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He's a skilled interviewer who's not afraid to ask the big penetrating questions while always defending the key doctrines of the Christian faith. I've always been happy to point people to this podcast, knowing it's one of the very few safe places on the internet where folk won't be led astray.

I believe this podcast needs to be heard far and wide. This is a day of great spiritual compromise and yet God has raised Chris up for just such a time. And knowing this, it's up to us as members of the body of Christ to stand with such a ministry in prayer and in finances.