Open Q&A with Drew Von Nieda & Chris Huff

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Now one topic Chris and I talked about this one topic. We're not going to be dealing with today Because it's been dealt with the past couple of weeks. Is that of the Hebrew Israelites? Okay, it's been dealt with.

We're not gonna handle that. We're gonna look into other topics and questions that you guys are going to have. So with that I'm gonna bring in my partner and all things Bible. Yo, Chris Huff. What's up, man?

How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm good, man. I'm good. What's new? What's exciting? Oh, you know just you know doing doing Bible things with my Bible friends. That's it. That's it. We do Bible things with Bible friends because we want to be about Bible people we we are that's that that's our aim in life Is to be Bible men, that's the girl.

You're a lady be a Bible lady. That's it. So so Chris, let's uh, let's talk about something that's in the in the news and this is not quite in the news. But it's something that You have a buddy who is military.

What's what are some things y 'all been talking about? Oh, well, I mean.

So so it started out with you a friend of mine by the name of that's right. All dogs. Jason Cape said all dogs. Hosting tonight, thanks gentlemen. Thanks, brother. We love you, man. So I've got a friend of mine.

His name is Alex Rodriguez. He is the pastor of Outpost Bible Church in McHenry, Illinois and We just we're talking about Something that he saw in the fact that now the United States Navy has a spokesperson in order to Gain more recruits and and this person happens to be a drag queen and and so yesterday I was I was filing through Twitter a little bit and I've been taking a break.

Just quietly. Well, I guess it's not quietly anymore. Taking a break from from from some most of things social media except for been watching my screen time stuff like that. So just trying to just trying to back away from that a little bit and it's been long.

But I was I was rifling through Twitter and there's a former Navy SEAL and author by the name of Rob O 'Neill. Which if if you know that name Rob O 'Neill wrote a book. I have it right over here entitled the operator.

He actually Is the Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden. And he put on Twitter I'm not gonna read the entire tweet because there is some language in there. But he said alright and I can almost hear him saying this as I do listen to his podcast every now and then.

He said alright quote. Alright, the US Navy is now using an enlisted sailor drag queen as a recruiter. I'm done China is going to destroy us. You got this Navy and then he said I can't believe I fought for this stuff.

And he didn't of course say stuff and. And he had he had a few more a few more interactions with this topic yesterday and and and he said this and I will I will quote this and I agree with this. He said and I quote the US military needs to be ferocious not fabulous.

Close quote. And. And so that's that that's it. And I mean so brother one of the things that you and I were talking about Yesterday, I think it was yesterday was You know the whole concept of once you go woke you go broke and I think back to what we saw Last oh gosh two years ago.

I don't think it was last year. I think it's two years ago when the United States Marines Were putting out Videos and communication around. You know diversity and inclusion. Mm-hmm. And at the same time you have places like North Korea Who their videos are much much different, right?

Ferociousness and a toughness. About that. So there are a couple things about that that I just wanted to talk about real quick and then we can chop it Up. Yeah, and then if anybody else wants to wants to you know, chop it up.

And as far as the comments go we can about this topic we can do that, too. But two things first and foremost do not fear as far as the military goes and just because the Navy is doing that doesn't mean that there aren't more than capable men and women in the United States Navy and The army and the Air Force and the Coast Guard and the Marines, etc.

So and so forth who are ferocious and not fabulous and I was talking to these guys. I've been repping their stuff. But there it is. Over at GBRS group global battlefield research solutions. DJ Shipley Cole Fackler Former SEAL team six guys Deb grew guys and it's just like they've said it's like look, you know, our military is fine.

We are good. China may have the numbers on us but as far as the training as far as the Overall, you know, you're just seeing a fringe of what you know. Some some higher-up person in the administration that we have what they're trying to do.

Um, so don't worry about that we're good. But then at the same time, you know, you also have to go when when society's given to ideologies that are contra scripture they're antithetical to what scripture teaches we see the Lord and you and I've talked about this a matter of theology when we When we talked about the the wrath of God's abandonment that you see, you know, you see the Lord give people over to Depraved mind and and then you see you see what happens with that.

So So it's just interesting man. Just that the the concept of going woke applies to more than just ethnicity. The concept of going woke, of course applies to everything LGBTQIA the alphabet soup people.

And and and and a bunch of other things and it all ultimately leads back to Marxism socialism. Which by the way, those concepts are antithetical to scripture, too. So that's right. Yeah.

And along along the same lines of that, you know, there is a a famous brew brewing company that has made their the face of their their brand right a Transgender Dylan Mulvaney. Yep, and you and you mentioned go woke go broke.

Well, what has happened? They have took a hit Financially big big hit big. I mean, it's big Lee. Yeah. Yeah big Donald Big big huge huge huge big huge but You know, we had a oh, dude Also in the news, did you hear that President Biden might be getting impeached?

Apparently there is a document from a whistleblower that Says that he was involved in all this criminal activity exchanging money for political favors and it's almost like We've been saying this for a while, right, right, you know, and now there's apparently evidence You know go figure right and this just made the news Yesterday last night, I believe I Did not hear that and I will be surprised if it actually happens.

Well, it was it now Fox News did cover it so Jesse Waters Sean Hannity, they did cover it right and but apparently Senator Grassley is all over this and apparently he takes whistleblowers very seriously.

Okay, you should so he was interviewed about Really wanting this document. Yeah KTN Jesus says yes, I heard about it. Yeah. Yeah, check out there instead His his comment. Yep. Pastor Darren stood. He says this is the new brother, by the way They are just going to impeach each other back and forth each time the presidency changes hands.

It's a political theater. Exactly. I mean, what did we see in 2016 when Trump was elected in me before the but the ballots were even counted and he was officially Looked at as president. They were talking about impeachment.

Yeah, he hadn't even done anything. Yeah, right, you know, so it's ridiculous it is it is ridiculous, but We did get this question in here and this question actually goes with something that I wanted to say regarding Twitter.

So here's the question. It's from Carol Carol Carol Jill Carol Jl1 she says what is Christian nationalism? What is the church's responsibility for discipleship as far as small groups or in love that second question?

Yes, the second question I think is very important and that's actually something that I really wanted to touch on because I Want to encourage brothers and sisters? Before you get on Twitter or any other social media outlets Spend some serious time in prayer.

Because it is evident that I've as I've seen on Twitter and I haven't I have not engaged any of these folks. But it's evident that there are some some brothers. And I don't know. I don't know if there are sisters involved too, but you know, I wouldn't doubt it.

It's Twitter. That need to spend more time or it's evident that they are spending more time on Twitter than they do in prayer and The whole controversy the whole debacle is centering around Christian nationalism and this has been going on for a couple of weeks.

Right and For the people that are listening on audio right now, you can't hear the sound of me shaking my head. But but it can I say something to bro like It look I love Twitter if If I were to if someone say hey, what what is the social media site?

You have spent the most time on mm-hmm and get the most out of personally I would say Twitter and I know that that there are people out there like bro. Absolutely not. So I'll say that I think it's a it's a good medium.

It's a good platform If it's used correctly. On this on this topic of Christian nationalism here, here's the problem one of the problems oh. Yeah, I saw it coming by Darren, but let me keep going. Um, I'm gonna look away from the comments because I'll get I'll get a DD moment.

So so here here's the issue is some of the things that we're seeing on both sides of the ball when it comes to the Christian nationalism thing is what what is commonly referred to as self-fulfilling prophecy in that if you go on Twitter and poke people In a vague Unclear Unhelpful not edifying or admonishing way.

Don't be surprised when people clap back. And don't cry foul when people clap back. That said Just because someone posts something that you may not agree with don't read what more into what they are saying and Don't fill in the blanks for what they aren't saying.

Mm-hmm and remember to respond not react and that goes on both sides of the ball now the whole conversation around Christian nationalism and When when this question come up our brother Darren said pastor Darren said he said oh goodness Christian nationalism all over the place right now.

Lol, and it is it really is because it's not actually a monolithic thing, correct. Depending on what you talk about there. Yes, who you ask they're gonna have a different definition.

Well and see what brother what's interesting about about this is is this this is one of those topics that Has not been clearly defined. Well, and it still is not clearly defined. It just depends on who you talk to right but but but but here I'll say this.

And then I'll turn it back over you. All of us who profess faith in the Lord Jesus Christ Should Advocate for and that I'm saying this as a historic pre-millennialists. Okay, we should advocate for and be in support of and Celebrate when there are those who profess faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to whom the Lord is sovereignly placed in positions of being able to influence the laws of our country or any country for that matter and They do so in a way that reflects what Scripture teaches.

We should want that we should desire that now. There are nuances and caveats to that as that's not the most important thing what is the most important thing is that the gospel of God and of our Lord Jesus Christ would shine bright and Shine through us that Christ would save his elect and continue to build his church.

Because that's the only institution by the way that the Lord has promised to protect. Mm-hmm. So when it comes to the topic of Christian nationalism Especially right now because it's such a hot topic and people are getting their panties in them.

Sorry getting their underwear in a bunch. Sorry. They are On both sides of the ball. I'm like you guys look here's what you guys need to do. You guys need to plan time to get together in private and hash this out.

Quit airing stuff like this in a vague way or in an immature way on social media. Yep, just stop. Mm-hmm. Sorry. Good.

Yeah, no, I mean, I mean that's absolutely great and getting into the second part of this question here, right? What is the love the second one for discipleship as far as small groups and individuals?

Well, you know what I'm not hearing from the Christian nationalists debate is Local churches, right? It begins in a local church. I'm hearing it on one side, right? So Probably the side that whose ministry is devoted to the local church, correct?

All right. So but now I think You and I would agree right and Eschatologically, we're on different ends, right? But I think we would agree that we would love to see America taken for Christ. Absolutely, we would love that.

Okay, but where does it start it starts in the local church? And that's why I want to bring up Darren's comment here that he put mm-hmm, which was row which is on the money. Okay, we need more self-government before Christians can have any impact on culture home nationalism or not a.

That's it pastor. So we need we need to be first governing ourselves according to the scriptures and Then we need to be governing the church according to the scriptures. Because it's the church that will then have the impact from the people growing in holiness who are affected by the gospel.

Growing in holiness that are gonna have the impact on the community and then it's supposed to grow out from there.

If you want a great example of that, here's what you do. Go read the Great Awakening by Joseph Tracy. Mm-hmm. You will see a phenomenal example of what it looks like for the Gospel of God the whole Council of Scripture to be central first and foremost and to see the Holy Spirit move and work as the sword of God the sword the word that is the sword is wielded and How it affects the churches and then how it affects the communities that the churches are in right?

That's it.

So when we go out to proclaim the gospel we're going out so that The the sinner will be saved. Right. The sinner will be saved and then what do we want to do? We want to disciple them we want to bring them into and make sure they're connected with a local church.

Because that local church is really gonna have the impact on them the pastoring the shepherding the community. They're gonna have the impact on and then it branches out from there, right? So now let's just go into how missions work, right?

Missions is right one biblical church raising up elder qualified men sending them out to plant another biblical church. And then you repeat the process. That's how you you make Christian nations is by planting biblical local churches.

That's how it starts. Yeah, yep. Well, and that's merely your goal. Then what you're what you're trying to do is you're trying to come in and be. It almost like a fascist state, right. You you want because what right if you if you try to.

If you try to Christian eyes quote-unquote. Here's here's I'm gonna I'm gonna make a I'm gonna make a statement right here If you try to Christian eyes a nation city Whatever. Without the presence of the gospel an actual biblical discipleship taking place.

Just flip the social justice coin over right and that's what you're doing. Yeah, it's humanistic moralism That has no power to save and it affects. It affects everything temporally, but it doesn't meet the eternal need That we all have and that is how can sinful man be made right with a holy God?

That's it.

That's it. Yep. That's it. Amen. Let me put up what Melissa Owen says. She says amen. There you go. Amen. Amen. But that I mean that's the thing with with Christian nationalism. And and Carol we hope that we answered your question there.

And that's just one of the things. You know, it's Christian nationalism is something that's all over the place. You it's like that question.

Carol Carol Carol Carol go go check out Founders Ministries and their latest national conference that they did on I believe is on the doctrine of man. No, I can't remember what it was what it was on but but they addressed this topic Vodibachum Tom Askell and they did a wonderful job.

And a well-rounded job. It's go listen to dr. Vodibachum. Dr. Tom Askell and just go check out Founders Ministries. The national conference that they had. The last one I believe it was this year. Yeah, it was this year.

It was great. It was it was great. Yeah, I was in like February or something like that. So, yep.

Yeah, so okay. Shifting gears a little bit. Let's uh Let's get into talking about worship because this just. Everywhere I go and probably everywhere you go to We see false worship. We hear people talking about worship falsely.

Where do you think that stems from.

Well, I mean we we we saw that in you know when the first murder took place in Scripture. So it's that's where it stems from. That's where it started.

And wait, you mean it wasn't you mean the first murder didn't occur from racism, oh gosh, no. We know. Okay, Dollar General Mark Driscoll. Correct. Yeah. Yeah that so we heard a pastor one time Say that the first murder occurred because of racism.

How terrible again for those of you listening on audio you can't hear me shaking my head. Well, you might be able to at this point. It's pretty loud.

That's right. And let me let me answer. Let me answer this right here brother John elving. Really question drew believes post-millennialism. Yes. Yes. He does. Yes. Yes, I do.

But let me say that let me say this about my boy. My boy my boy drew. He does but I would put him more in the camp of like a Like somebody who represents post-millennialism like an RC Sproul did. Versus.

Those out there who Don't like you mean I'm not I'm not cage. Stage post mill is what you know, correct.

You're not cage stage post-millennialism and your responses are thoughtful and You're actually willing to engage in you know. Academic and thoughtful conversation.

You know, I try but but no, yeah this false worship, you know, we really see it at at the first the first murder. Right. And why was that. Because we have Cain and Abel and They're bringing an offering to God right.

And this offering is an offering of worship. Now the fact that they know to bring an offering of worship means that they have done it before. They know what God requires. Right. And what you see is you see Abel bringing the offering that God requires and then you see Cain bringing the offering that he wants to bring the offering from from the ground rather than the offering of meat that God wants.

And Abel's is accepted Cain's is rejected. And Then you really you actually see you know what you see in there. You see the patience and the grace of the Lord when he rejects Cain's offering because he says.

He pauses and he says will you not? Will you will your countenance not be lifted up if you just do what I ask you, right? Will you not be filled with joy if you just bring what the Lord requires? Go ahead.

You're gonna say something. Well, I I was a.

Two things one Melissa Owens our dear sister put a comment. She said I keep hoping that if Drew keeps drinking that fresca He'll become a pre-millennial. Me too. Me too sister. But but no, but but here's here's something interesting about about about Cain and Abel in Genesis chapter 4.

Of course, I'll be reading from the preferred translation of matter of theology, which is the legacy standard Bible the LSB. Head on over to read Dot LSB org read LSB org or go to 316 publishing .com and pick up one.

They have great sales for Mother's Day right now. Just saying No, they don't sponsor me or us. I just love them. But check this out, bro. Genesis 4 verse 4. Abel on his part also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of the fat portions and Yahweh had regard for Abel and for his offering.

But for Cain and for his offering he had no regard. So in reading that that stands out To me. This is a matter of an offering a matter of firstfruits a matter of worship before the Lord when we don't.

When we don't worship the Lord according to his word He has no regard for our offering, right? It's the same thing.

Go ahead man. No, I mean, that's that's right. He he has no reason to have regard for our offering right if we don't bring what he wants. Because ultimately if we're not bringing what he wants and we're bringing what we want and we're saying hey You should accept this because it's what I brought you right?

Just be glad I brought you something is ultimately what he's saying, right? And What what does that say about how we view God. The God that is deserving of all worship. Right, and so his offering is rejected and then we see the self-righteousness of Cain.

It flares up and results in him killing his brother. And I love you and I love what Anthony Mathenia Says about this. Mm-hmm, right? He says Nothing angers the self-righteous more than when they're told that their worship is unacceptable.

Bro, and that's exactly what happened Anthony Mathenia bringing the heat. Bringing the heat, bro.

That's the truth man. It's the truth. No and and you and I have experienced it, right? We've we have seen the gnashing of teeth that takes place when you you point out to someone that. You know that you know that the Lord desires you to be regulated by the scriptures.

The Lord desires us to be regulated by the scriptures ergo. We're not going to play X Y Z songs. We're not gonna play. You know, we're gonna structure What we do in our lives not just what we do in the Lord's Day.

But what we do that what everything we think say and do we want to structure that around what the scriptures teach and not what? We want quote-unquote. And you know, it's That. And and there's so much to that, right?

I mean, there's so much to unpack there. But you know when it comes to when it comes to what we see on the Lord's Day I I'm you know when we were gonna talk about this. I've pulled up that a W Tozer quote that I've quoted before.

And this is good, it's a little long so stick with me but check it out. He says this quote it is now common practice in most evangelical churches to offer the people. Especially the young people a maximum of entertainment and a minimum of serious instruction.

It is scarcely possible in most places to get anyone to attend a meeting where the only attraction is God. One can only conclude that God's professed children are bored with him. For they must be wooed to meeting with a stick of striped candy in the form of religious movies games and refreshments and any objection to the carryings on of our present golden calf.

Christianity is met with the triumphant reply. But we are winning them. Are we and winning them to what. To true discipleship. To cross-carrying to self-denial? To separation from the world. To the crucifixion of the flesh.

To holy living. To nobility of character. To a despising of the world's treasures. To hard self-discipline. To love for God. To total committal to Christ. Of course, the answer to all these questions is no period.

Mic drop close quote. Yeah, and how true is that? God's professed children are bored with him. Yep. They're bored with his word and they're bored with him.

Mm-hmm, and that's when you see things take place like Asbury, right, right and they call it a revival. It's not a revival. Okay, what. Because The gospel wasn't proclaimed. It's an emotional prodding.

It's an emotional prodding but what it is is it's not people seeking for God. It's people seeking for an experience. Yep, I just want a new experience because they are seeking a God.

Yeah a God of themselves and a God of this age and a God of entertainment and a God of Wanting to have their their ears tickled. Mm-hmm. They're not there's no there's no in Every sermon I listened to at Asbury I'm not saying the gospel wasn't preached because that would just be asinine of me to say.

But everyone I listened to from the main pulpit the gospel was never proclaimed, right? So ergo revival did not happen right period right? That's right.

Yeah, Jason here says a scheduled revival around the anniversary every year. Yeah, they they actually try to plan these out every single year for that to happen. But what you're talking about yeah, people are getting bored with God and They're bored with God because they do not love him they do not see him as the ultimate treasure of which to be gained and so in in Worship, right?

We have we have two lines of thought right? We have the regulative principle. Which says we are seeking to be regulated by the scriptures and then we have the normative principle. The normative principle says well if God doesn't forbid it then we can do it and With what you see in worship today is a lot of the normative principle because people are bored with God.

They want a new experience Rather than coming to God and bringing him the offering that is regulated by scripture Which means what God wants and scripture actually? For we can see it. It actually forbids the normative principle that one more time.

Sorry. Oh, I said scripture actually forbids the normative principle. Absolutely. Yeah, it absolutely does. Yeah, if we if we just go over to Leviticus 10 Nadab and Abihu we can see That God forbids the normative principle now I'm reading from the NASB the foundational text for the LSB.

That's right. Bond servant for Jesus asked what is the normative principle? The normative principle is basically if scripture doesn't forbid it then we can do it so we can we can bring in things That That God doesn't require.

Right. So so normative principle would be give us some examples Chris because my mind is like.

Fried yeah, so so one of the things that Vodie Bockham. He he has a great way of explaining this. He's talking about the watches. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, or he's like, yeah, he's like, you know, so for my my anniversary.

He said if he said if I if I go out and and want to get my wife a gift I've got two options, right? I can be regulated by what she likes or the normative approach. Okay, so the regulative the normative will say let's start with normative the normatives.

Well, I really like watch it. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go get her a really nice watch even if she's not into watches and. Then he said but the regulative principle an example of that he said would say so what I should do is have a degree in my wife ology and.

And I should know her so well that I know exactly what she wants what she likes and What would what would bring her joy? So that was the way that Vodie described the difference between the two.

Yeah, so if you think about drama teams. Drama teams are normative principle. We don't need drama teams. Nope. Okay, we don't need any of that nonsense. All we need is we need the Word of God. The singing the sacraments in prayer sing the word.

Mm-hmm. Pre pray the word pray the word read the word the word preach the word. Mm-hmm. That's it. So that's what we need. Yeah, we can do we can come on it on the Lord's Day to worship God with nothing more than our Bibles.

Yep, we don't we don't need any of the extra stuff now. We're not saying that things like Bands are are sinful. We're not we're not saying anything like that is wrong. It's not wrong to have musical accompaniment when you're singing.

That's what I do. Right, but when you when you've got to have the lights when you've got to have the fog machines when you've got to have the emotional manipulation when you've got to have the the dancers on stage as was lost but now found says When you've got to have the dancers on stage when you've got to have the drama team when you've got to have all this.

Nonsense. When you got to have a TED talk when you got to have Unhitched from the Old Testament when you've got to have the Bible says so isn't good enough. When you've got to have Crass jokes when preaching through Song of Solomon.

When you've got to have I could keep going. You know, it's it's it's. Well, I mean it's not prohibited. So we can do it instead of going. Why would I want to spend my time focusing on what I can't do instead of?

Trying to find out everything that scripture says that I can and should do right. That brings joy to the heart of the Lord Where he does accept my offering And it does glorify and edify him. Why would I not want to do that?

Right, right.

Yeah, ultimately a normative worship. It's bringing what I think God should want rather than bringing Desires. So that's good. Yeah. So now let's get into this text that actually forbids the normative principle.

All right, Nadab and Abihu in Leviticus 10. Now Nadab and Abihu the sons of Aaron. Took their respective fire pans and after putting fire in them placed incense on it and offered strange fire Before the Lord which he had not commanded him.

Okay, so there was fire that he had commanded. Yep. And they offered what he did not command and the fire came out From the presence of the Lord and consumed them and they died before the Lord. Okay, so now normative principle.

If God doesn't forbid it I can therefore do it. Well, God didn't say they couldn't use this right, correct, but it wasn't what he demanded what that's right wired. For worship, that's right. And so now here's the crazy thing, right?

Let's think about our charismatic friends our charismatic and our Pentecostal friends, okay. Let's think about let's let's take this now into Ananias and Sapphira. And I believe this is Acts chapter 5 that I'm thinking of.

Okay they brought an offering of worship in Selling their land and then bringing the money to the church, right? This is an that's an offering of worship. Yep. They lied. They did not they were asked.

Did you is this all of it? And they said oh, yeah, this is all the but no. They kept back some from themselves. They died. Okay. So now to my charismatic and Pentecostal friends if you still believe God acts in the same way That he does in the book of Acts and the bro.

Then you should be the most regulative principle people in worship. Lest God kill you. But they don't they don't really believe they don't believe God kill will still kill people for false worship, right?

Because they're actually functional cessationist. They only believe God still works through miracles signs and wonders. Right not the full not his full counsel as we saw with Ananias and Sapphira.

And in case you guys just missed it my boy drew here just Layeth the smacketh down on the charismatics. Yeah, wow is right. Bond servant for Jesus. Here's another story. Here's here's another example of pragmatism.

Run amok. When you look at 2nd Samuel 6.

Then David got again gathered all the chosen men of Israel 30 ,000 and David. But before you get in there, what is pragmatism.

What is pragmatism. Pragmatism is you do what you do in order to.

Satisfy the felt needs and the desires of whoever you're trying to do it for. Well because it works because it works. It works. It's right, right?

So Verse 2 of 2nd Samuel 6. And David arose and went and went with all the people who were with him from Baal Judah To bring up from there the Ark of God which is called by the name the very name of Yahweh of hosts who is enthroned above the cherubim.

And they drove the Ark of God on a new cart that they might bring it from the house of Abinadab which was on the hill and Uzzah and I ho the sons of Abinadab were leading the new cart so they brought it with the Ark of God from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill and Iho was walking ahead of the Ark.

Now David and all the house of Israel were celebrating before Yahweh With all kinds of instruments made of fir wood with the lyres the harps the tambourines Symbols, sorry, I lost my place. Verse 6. And then they came to the threshing floor of Nakoon and Uzzah reached out towards the Ark Towards the Ark of God and took hold of it because the oxen nearly upset it nearly fell off the cart.

And verse 7. And the anger of Yahweh burned against Uzzah and God struck him down There for his irreverence and he died there by the Ark of God. Right, yep, and I think of that very famous very spot-on quote by dr. RC Sproul speaking to RC again.

I miss RC man. But I'm thankful for RC when he says Uzzah's problem is he thought his hands were cleaner than the dirt, right?

But then we have to also but the dirt that God had made. Right, correct, bro. That's good. That's good. But see the thing is too is.

We have to remember that that Ark should not have been on a cart in the first place and David knew that right. There are. You find very very specific instructions as far as how the Ark of God where the presence of God dwelt was supposed to be carried and supposed to be ushered as It moved a very very clear instructions so it's interesting to see what happens there because all Uzzah Uzzah did have a Respect and in a level of reverence.